Somebody lectured me about Splenda today
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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »ruqayyahsmum wrote: »My friend offerred a "homeless" guy complete with a begging sign a sandwich, crisps and a drink, he told her to *kitten* off..... 8 hours later on her way home from work she saw the same guy getting into a bow parked down a side street
Frankly, this sounds like the sort of thing that gets posted to Facebook as always having happened to someone's "friend" and is really just spewing misinformation about people that are already marginalized in our society so that the rest of us can feel better about social inequality.
There are several professional beggers in Toronto who when exposed at the time several years ago owned homes,cars and considerable savings. It was a big story for quite some time tgat identified the specific people.. they were pretty pissed and some moved to different cities so they could keep begging.
Now obviously this isnt a reality for all. But it does exist.
There's a known family who does it in my area. Two parents and 3 adolescent kids. None work and they make an obscene amount of money begging. Large house, multiple cars.. occasionally they get busted for it, but it's a fine or misdemeanor and they just pay it and go about their business.
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jadkins389 wrote: »As a nutritionist I have to put my two cents in and say that research shows that artificial sweeteners do not help with weight loss. Most are just synthetic versions of the sugar you are avoiding and your body treats it as such. Honey or Stevia are your best options for low-glycemic sweeteners. That being said, even as a nutritionist, we meet people where they are. Everyone is different, everyone likes different things, and everyone is willing to sacrifice different things to achieve their goals.
Now as a human being, I must say it is completely inappropriate to confront a stranger in public telling them what they are doing "wrong". Even if you think you are "right", it is still just wrong.
Let me guess. You're a nutritionist, but not a dietitian, right?
I'm glad that the dietitian I see actually uses science, and not woo.12 -
Everyone has an opinion, there's science to back up both sides of the fake sugar debate. Why do you people have to be so *kitten* to someone who disagrees with you?
I don't know who flagged this or why, but the flag is inappropriate.
There is no actual science backing up the premise that "fake sugar" is harmful. If you read the first several posts in the "Aspartame isn't scary" thread you will find numerous legitimate peer-reviewed studies that show it is not. There are no legitimate peer-reviewed studies that show it is in people who have no adverse reactions to the components.
I'd rather this didn't turn into an "evil Splenda" thread, since the OP centers on inappropriate comments from strangers, and the circumstance of the specific comment is incidental to the conversation.
edited for clarity and grammar :embarrassed:
Stop acting like there's no science to back up the negative reviews of fake sugar. Science doesn't even know everything about it yet, but it's so great that you all apparently do.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3198517/
the conclusion from the paper you cite:
CONCLUSIONS
Sugar substitutes in various food and beverages are very popular in most of the countries. Extensive scientific research has demonstrated the safety of the six low-calorie sweeteners currently approved for use in foods in the U.S. and Europe (stevia, acesulfame-K, aspartame, neotame, saccharin and sucralose) each with an acceptable daily intake. A number of studies have been carried out to confirm the safety of artificial sweeteners. A number of studies have also shown the adverse effects of the same. But most of the studies have limitations such as effects shown only in animals not in human, small sample size, high doses, statistically non-significant or borderline significant, etc. The sugar substitutes are thoroughly investigated for safety with hundreds of scientific studies and then approved by different regulatory authorities like the U.S. FDA, JECFA and FSANZ. Some agents are approved with warning labels too. So further exploration is required with well-designed large-scale studies in the general population. On the anecdotal evidence, it has been concluded that based on analysis of the database of case histories, there are a number of symptoms that are recurrently reported by individuals who believe that they are caused by sugar substitute ingestion. The information gathered in this analysis can be useful in guiding the design and format of any investigative study that may be undertaken to determine individual sensitivity to sugar substitutes.
I am not saying fake sugar causes cancer or kills you. I am saying, and the article agrees, that fake sure has been linked to weight gain and confuses your body's insulin response.
For people who are diabetic or trying to lose weight (most people on MFP), it gives them this idea that they can eat all that they want because it has no calories and is "healthy". I am not diabetic but I am hypoglycemic. When I switched from drinking regular soda to diet, my blood sugars would crash horribly, even worse than when I drank regular. I wasn't losing weight as I was before, and that was with no other dietrary changes.
I'm a type 1 diabetic. My body doesn't make insulin. Kindly tell me what "insulin response" drinking Diet Coke is going to give me, or is going to confuse my body with. My blood sugar doesn't even spike when I drink Diet Coke, which is what any person with two brain cells to rub together would *expect* to happen if you believed that so-called insulin responses actually happen in response to aspartame.
If that pseudoscience *kitten* worked, type 1 diabetics wouldn't need to *kitten* inject insulin.
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You can thank piss poor journalists and Gwyneth Paltrow for nonsense like this. Anytime someone tells you that you should or shouldn't eat something because of "x" reason, your first response should always be "Prove it!". The fact that we currently live in a world where people think that they can possess truth without facts just goes to show doomed we are and why Trump can be president.
The incredible irony of the situation is that after more than 100 combined years of research on non-nutritive sweeteners like Saccharin and Aspartame (one of the most studied of all synthetic compounds), no causal link has been found to brain tumors, seizures, or allergic reactions.
Does it raise basal insulin secretion in the absence of glucose?
Yes, but so do fatty acids, and innumerable other dietary agents other than glucose - the hit rate for non-glucose dependent insulin secretion is VERY HIGH - in other words, it is meaningless to use even insulin sensitivity as a determinant reason for avoiding artificial sweeteners....
this is where many people might add "IMHO". I suppose if everything I just said were opinion, then I might be inclined to do the same, but an opinion is something you offer in the absence of facts.
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I had no problem with splenda but my mom noticed that even though doctors say it is better for folks with diabetes it sent her blood sugar all over the place compared to just using sugar in stuff.0
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At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is an open hand slap acceptable?
If not we need to bring it back.4 -
jadkins389 wrote: »As a nutritionist I have to put my two cents in and say that research shows that artificial sweeteners do not help with weight loss. Most are just synthetic versions of the sugar you are avoiding and your body treats it as such. Honey or Stevia are your best options for low-glycemic sweeteners. That being said, even as a nutritionist, we meet people where they are. Everyone is different, everyone likes different things, and everyone is willing to sacrifice different things to achieve their goals.
Now as a human being, I must say it is completely inappropriate to confront a stranger in public telling them what they are doing "wrong". Even if you think you are "right", it is still just wrong.
...and this perfectly and clearly illustrates why people are often advised to see a dietician rather than a nutritionist. The only part of that first paragraph which is actually true are the last two sentences.22 -
At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is an open hand slap acceptable?
If not we need to bring it back.
Like an invitation to a duel? That could be fun!9 -
At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is an open hand slap acceptable?
If not we need to bring it back.
Like an invitation to a duel? That could be fun!
Remember the Simpsons episode where Homer ran around glove slapping everyone?
Now that song is stuck in my head.
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I was buying a Monster Zero Ultra in my office building's cafe once and had a stranger say, "Did you see the article on Facebook about those?" I just glanced at her, said, "Nope!," and continued on about my business ignoring her. She didn't pursue the conversation, for which I was very grateful. I have no time for busybodies, especially ones who get their information from their Facebook feed.
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Splenda. It's my go-to sweetener. I use 4 g in my standard cup of coffee (and, yes, I log those 13 calories). (Also, just to point out, I saw Splenda conflated with aspartame earlier in this thread. They are not the same thing. Splenda is not made with two amino acids. Splenda is made by combining dextrose, maltodextrin and sucralose [sucrose that has been altered to contain three chlorine atoms].) I like that I can easily cook/bake with Splenda too - easier than Equal/NutraSweet or Stevia. I find that Stevia leaves me with a bitter aftertaste like no other sweetener I've used and Equal/NutraSweet requires too many alterations to a recipe to make the flavor come out right. 1 -
New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is an open hand slap acceptable?
If not we need to bring it back.
Like an invitation to a duel? That could be fun!
Remember the Simpsons episode where Homer ran around glove slapping everyone?
Now that song is stuck in my head.
Haha! On behalf of everyone on this thread, thank you for sharing the earworm!
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Next time that happens just tell them you aren't sure why they would be concerned about the safety profile of a non-catabolized trichlorinated disaccharide and watch them slowly back away.28
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Next time that happens just tell them you aren't sure why they would be concerned about the safety profile of a non-catabolized trichlorinated disaccharide and watch them slowly back away.
First I'm going to look up how to pronounce those words (because being able to pronounce the ingredients magically makes food healthier, right?) then I'm going to memorize that sentence and pray for the opportunity to use it!
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I was buying a Monster Zero Ultra in my office building's cafe once and had a stranger say, "Did you see the article on Facebook about those?" I just glanced at her, said, "Nope!," and continued on about my business ignoring her. She didn't pursue the conversation, for which I was very grateful. I have no time for busybodies, especially ones who get their information from their Facebook feed.
I Splenda. It's my go-to sweetener. I use 4 g in my standard cup of coffee (and, yes, I log those 13 calories). (Also, just to point out, I saw Splenda conflated with aspartame earlier in this thread. They are not the same thing. Splenda is not made with two amino acids. Splenda is made by combining dextrose, maltodextrin and sucralose [sucrose that has been altered to contain three chlorine atoms].) I like that I can easily cook/bake with Splenda too - easier than Equal/NutraSweet or Stevia. I find that Stevia leaves me with a bitter aftertaste like no other sweetener I've used and Equal/NutraSweet requires too many alterations to a recipe to make the flavor come out right.
Yup. That's what I get for posting when I'm on the run! Aspartame is the two amino acids.
You can get liquid sucralose which doesn't have dextrose or maltodextrin, though.1 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Next time that happens just tell them you aren't sure why they would be concerned about the safety profile of a non-catabolized trichlorinated disaccharide and watch them slowly back away.
First I'm going to look up how to pronounce those words (because being able to pronounce the ingredients magically makes food healthier, right?) then I'm going to memorize that sentence and pray for the opportunity to use it!
non-cat-ab-o-liezd
try-klor-innate-ed
di-sack-o-ride
People who talk out of their *kitten* in order to sound superior and lecture down to others rely on those they are lecturing knowing as little about the topic as they do. As soon as you give any inkling you might actually know a lot more than they do they will back out. Usually in a huff rather that apologetically, but the end result is the same you can go back to flavoring your coffee.18 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Next time that happens just tell them you aren't sure why they would be concerned about the safety profile of a non-catabolized trichlorinated disaccharide and watch them slowly back away.
First I'm going to look up how to pronounce those words (because being able to pronounce the ingredients magically makes food healthier, right?) then I'm going to memorize that sentence and pray for the opportunity to use it!
non-cat-ab-o-liezd
try-klor-innate-ed
di-sack-o-ride
OMG I just said the whole thing out loud! 5 -
jadkins389 wrote: »As a nutritionist I have to put my two cents in and say that research shows that artificial sweeteners do not help with weight loss. Most are just synthetic versions of the sugar you are avoiding and your body treats it as such. Honey or Stevia are your best options for low-glycemic sweeteners. That being said, even as a nutritionist, we meet people where they are. Everyone is different, everyone likes different things, and everyone is willing to sacrifice different things to achieve their goals.
Now as a human being, I must say it is completely inappropriate to confront a stranger in public telling them what they are doing "wrong". Even if you think you are "right", it is still just wrong.
Tell that to the 105lbs I lost while drinking Diet Pepsi and Cherry Coke Zero on a daily basis.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »Next time that happens just tell them you aren't sure why they would be concerned about the safety profile of a non-catabolized trichlorinated disaccharide and watch them slowly back away.
First I'm going to look up how to pronounce those words (because being able to pronounce the ingredients magically makes food healthier, right?) then I'm going to memorize that sentence and pray for the opportunity to use it!
non-cat-ab-o-liezd
try-klor-innate-ed
di-sack-o-ride
OMG I just said the whole thing out loud!
Just to explain what it means.
Sucrose is the major product of cane sugar and is what you get when you buy a bag of sugar. It is a combination of two sugars, glucose and fructose. Saccharide is just a word to describe molecules that make up sugar. Glucose and fructose have one saccharide unit so they are monosaccharides. Sucrose, a combination of the two, is a disaccharide.
This is sucrlaose, the active ingredient of Splenda and what gives it its sweetness, compared to sucrose...table sugar:
Sucralose is a sucrose molecule except three of the hydroxyl groups (OH groups) are substituted for chlorine (Cl). Enzymes in your body breakdown sugars like sucralose by hydrolyzing these bonds near the OH groups and substituting with Cl prevents that from happening. The end result is sucralose is recognized by the sweetness receptors of your tongue (in fact it binds stronger that sucrose making it even sweeter) but sucralose isn't recognized by the enzymes that digest sugars and so it remains intact and just passes right through your intestine and out the other end. When you add a chlorine atom to a molecule it is called chlorinating it. So adding three is called tricholorinating.
When something is digested it is broken down by enzymes. That process is called catabolism....which is the opposite of metabolic enzymes building a molecule which is called anabolism. Since sucralose isn't digested one can say that it is non-catabolized.
So it is a non-catabolized trichlorinated disaccharide.26 -
jadkins389 wrote: »As a nutritionist I have to put my two cents in and say that research shows that artificial sweeteners do not help with weight loss. Most are just synthetic versions of the sugar you are avoiding and your body treats it as such. Honey or Stevia are your best options for low-glycemic sweeteners. That being said, even as a nutritionist, we meet people where they are. Everyone is different, everyone likes different things, and everyone is willing to sacrifice different things to achieve their goals.
Now as a human being, I must say it is completely inappropriate to confront a stranger in public telling them what they are doing "wrong". Even if you think you are "right", it is still just wrong.
The only things that help with weightloss are the things that enable people to maintain a caloric deficit long enough to lose a substantial amount of weight. What those things are are going to be completely subjective and outside the realm of science. Science doesn't make objective claims about subjective things like what sort of foodstuffs might help someone achieve a caloric deficit.
Science can tell you what the calorie content of a food item is because that is objective, science cannot tell you how satisfied or able you would be to maintain a caloric deficit utilizing certain food items...because that is subjective20 -
I started thinking the same, better have an allergy!midwesterner85 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
A couple summers ago I was leaving a fancy pizza restaurant in Santa Barbara with some leftovers, and we passed a guy on the street with a sign that said “homeless and hungry please help”. I offered him the pizza leftovers and he said “no thanks, I don’t eat dairy”. Maybe it was the same guy!
I suppose I could understand if there were a dairy intolerance. I've offered food to homeless people and have never been turned down. But I would understand if I tried to give a bag of peanuts to someone and they declined because of an allergy.
Maybe if it was a one-ingredient food, but when I read this to my husband he said, if he was hungry and couldnt eat cheese, he would just pull off the cheese and eat the bread & tomato sauce!
Clearly these people have never actually been hungry, they just want cash for whatever reason(s).
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