KETO DIET: Reviews and Tips
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cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
Keto does not eliminate vegetables or even fruits. Green leafy vegetables and high fiber vegetables are encouraged, and low-glycemic fruits such as berries are absolutely fine to consume. Also, although the fat you consume is higher, it's not really an obscene amount if you are doing it correctly. Adding avocado and olive oil to your diet is not unhealthy, and the fat is what helps keep you satiated. It's not like you are sitting there eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I didn't say that it eliminated fruits and vegetables...but if you're limited to 20g carbs, you are very much restricting those things to tiny amounts...which is what I said...reading comprehension is an invaluable thing.
Most people I know doing keto are having about 70% dietary fat...IMO, that's an obscene amount of fat...I couldn't do it.
Fat does not personally satiate me.
Maybe not eating Crisco by the spoonful, but I know a lot of keto folks dumping Tbsps of coconut oil in their coffee which is just gross.
I'm not bashing the diet...I was simply stating why I couldn't personally do it due to the factors I mentioned...the foul breath and body odor would be another issue for me...but that's just me.
I had the bad breath and body odor when I did it. and it was AWFUL0 -
KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I'm on keto and my seizures have reduced. I couldn't be happier. Why so much judgement? If you took a look at my updated medical records, you guys would sing a different tune before you go around bashing people's eating habits again.
Except nobody is doing that. And I've never heard of anyone bashing keto for medical conditions...particularly seizures.
It's claims like you don't have to limit veg and fruit that get called out...because it's disingenuous. Keto proponents often make claims that you don't have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight because of magical keto. Claims that everybody is satiated by fat...if you look at actual satiation studies you would see otherwise...stuff like that.
I don't think anyone cares how anyone eats...it's all of the magical wild claims...and really, most of the health claims made by keto proponents could and would make the same claims on just about any diet that was more nutritious and where one lost weight to be at a healthy weight.15 -
I lost 61 lbs over six months doing it, along with an hour of jogging every other day. Ketosis does naturally suppress your appetite, there were days I'd have to force myself to eat more than 1,300 calories. (I'm a 6'3 man).
I've kept the weight off, and I think it was a great tool to get the job done.8 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
Keto does not eliminate vegetables or even fruits. Green leafy vegetables and high fiber vegetables are encouraged, and low-glycemic fruits such as berries are absolutely fine to consume. Also, although the fat you consume is higher, it's not really an obscene amount if you are doing it correctly. Adding avocado and olive oil to your diet is not unhealthy, and the fat is what helps keep you satiated. It's not like you are sitting there eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I didn't say that it eliminated fruits and vegetables...but if you're limited to 20g carbs, you are very much restricting those things to tiny amounts...which is what I said...reading comprehension is an invaluable thing.
Most people I know doing keto are having about 70% dietary fat...IMO, that's an obscene amount of fat...I couldn't do it.
Fat does not personally satiate me.
Maybe not eating Crisco by the spoonful, but I know a lot of keto folks dumping Tbsps of coconut oil in their coffee which is just gross.
I'm not bashing the diet...I was simply stating why I couldn't personally do it due to the factors I mentioned...the foul breath and body odor would be another issue for me...but that's just me.
I had the bad breath and body odor when I did it. and it was AWFUL
We had a guy at work who's done keto on and off for about the last 5 years. He keeps losing and gaining the same 50 Lbs. It would suck every time he went back to keto because his breath was so foul and his BO was incredible even with deodorant...and it doesn't smell like regular BO...more like he crapped his pants or something.
I used to be his supervisor, so I had to field all of the complaints from other employees...never did really figure out how to address it.6 -
EddieHaskell97 wrote: »I lost 61 lbs over six months doing it, along with an hour of jogging every other day. Ketosis does naturally suppress your appetite, there were days I'd have to force myself to eat more than 1,300 calories. (I'm a 6'3 man).
I've kept the weight off, and I think it was a great tool to get the job done.
it doesnt suppress everyones appetite. it sure as heck didnt mine when I did it. I am 5'6 1/2 and I eat more than 1300 calories. I hope you were eating more than 1500 for your height and activity. 1300 would be too low.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
Keto does not eliminate vegetables or even fruits. Green leafy vegetables and high fiber vegetables are encouraged, and low-glycemic fruits such as berries are absolutely fine to consume. Also, although the fat you consume is higher, it's not really an obscene amount if you are doing it correctly. Adding avocado and olive oil to your diet is not unhealthy, and the fat is what helps keep you satiated. It's not like you are sitting there eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I didn't say that it eliminated fruits and vegetables...but if you're limited to 20g carbs, you are very much restricting those things to tiny amounts...which is what I said...reading comprehension is an invaluable thing.
Most people I know doing keto are having about 70% dietary fat...IMO, that's an obscene amount of fat...I couldn't do it.
Fat does not personally satiate me.
Maybe not eating Crisco by the spoonful, but I know a lot of keto folks dumping Tbsps of coconut oil in their coffee which is just gross.
I'm not bashing the diet...I was simply stating why I couldn't personally do it due to the factors I mentioned...the foul breath and body odor would be another issue for me...but that's just me.
I had the bad breath and body odor when I did it. and it was AWFUL
We had a guy at work who's done keto on and off for about the last 5 years. He keeps losing and gaining the same 50 Lbs. It would suck every time he went back to keto because his breath was so foul and his BO was incredible even with deodorant...and it doesn't smell like regular BO...more like he crapped his pants or something.
I used to be his supervisor, so I had to field all of the complaints from other employees...never did really figure out how to address it.
Yeah, that would be a managerial minefield.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
Keto does not eliminate vegetables or even fruits. Green leafy vegetables and high fiber vegetables are encouraged, and low-glycemic fruits such as berries are absolutely fine to consume. Also, although the fat you consume is higher, it's not really an obscene amount if you are doing it correctly. Adding avocado and olive oil to your diet is not unhealthy, and the fat is what helps keep you satiated. It's not like you are sitting there eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I didn't say that it eliminated fruits and vegetables...but if you're limited to 20g carbs, you are very much restricting those things to tiny amounts...which is what I said...reading comprehension is an invaluable thing.
Most people I know doing keto are having about 70% dietary fat...IMO, that's an obscene amount of fat...I couldn't do it.
Fat does not personally satiate me.
Maybe not eating Crisco by the spoonful, but I know a lot of keto folks dumping Tbsps of coconut oil in their coffee which is just gross.
I'm not bashing the diet...I was simply stating why I couldn't personally do it due to the factors I mentioned...the foul breath and body odor would be another issue for me...but that's just me.
I had the bad breath and body odor when I did it. and it was AWFUL
We had a guy at work who's done keto on and off for about the last 5 years. He keeps losing and gaining the same 50 Lbs. It would suck every time he went back to keto because his breath was so foul and his BO was incredible even with deodorant...and it doesn't smell like regular BO...more like he crapped his pants or something.
I used to be his supervisor, so I had to field all of the complaints from other employees...never did really figure out how to address it.
You could leave anonymous gift on his desk, like a Costco sized package of sugar free mints
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the8BitGirl wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »why would you want to cycle in and out of ketosis? what is the point of that?
The point is usually regulating your blood sugar levels (avoiding massive peaks and valleys) for the vast majority of the time, so that you minimize cravings triggered by sugar crashes. That doesn't mean you have to stay in ketosis 100% of the time to get the benefits of a ketogenic lifestyle.
That would suggest that a person doesn't have the ability to regulate blood sugar, which for the vast majority of people, we have the ability. And unless your just eating straight sugar, candy or sodas, you aren't having huge blood sugar swings like its lead to believe.
Since most people now have IR and related problems (T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD), most people do not regulate their BG adequately. One need not eat straight sugar to get sugar crashes, although that is definitely a culprit.
CKD or TKD are performance based diets used to take advantage of a keto lifestyle while still using carbs for specific (exercise/fitness) goals.
That is a fairly wild interpretation of the statistics; this doesn't eve include that treatment is different from prevention (Alzheimers, NAFLD, CVD), which are largely caused by genetics and obesity, not by blood sugar swings. Even further, this still doesn't take into consideration that all of those disorders are treated by a variety of ways, especially weight loss.
But if you look at the diabetes statistics, they states that 8% of the population is actually diagnosed with diabetes. The other 33% of undiagnosed are people who have markers that are a warning of their increased risk of diabetes and if action is not taken at some point my develop diabetes. In comparison to other 1st world countries who haven't continuously lowers their risk standards (like America several years ago) those statistics are much lower.
Again, looking at the healthiest and longest living nations in the world, they are all high carb, low meat diets. They are all active and have low rate of diseases. It's when they are exposed to westernized foods (highly caloric, high in fats, processed sugars, etc...) do they gain weight and increase the rate of disease. So it's not the carbs, fats, salts, etc.. it's a signficant increase in calories and reduction in activity, driving obesity rates through the roof.
So no, the average person doesn't have to worry about blood sugar. They more have to worry about eating nutrient dense foods, maintaining a healthy weight and exercising.
CKD and TKD are designed to take advantage of carbs and performance. Which further demonstrates the performance reductions driven by keto diets. Carb based diets are proven to be more effective, which is why Dr. Attia says it's a performance enhancing drug. I know this because everyone who refeeds after doing keto, to include body builders, so record lifts. It's very common that lean body builders see huge increases in power output after they eat dirty after competition.
Apparently, the stats you have seen are different than what I have seen. Alzheimer's, NAFLD and CVD appear to be caused by, or correlated to (depending on what you read), IR. Even most cancers are made worse by under treated, or untreated, IR.
If you wish to include children and young adults in that, your percentage will go down. It also looks lower when you look at who is actually diagnosesd - many are missed. But, if you look at what people experience in their lifetime, most will deal with IR and some health issue manifestation of it, depending on what organs are IR.
I do agree that weight loss and exercise do help many of those IR related/caused health issues. That's a separate issue from diet type. A diet is just the foods one eats. Some diets help IR more than others.
The blue zones have nothing to do with dealing with IR. They largely have a healthier whole food diet, and better social networks, than what people who are dealing with IR must usually manage. The blue zones don't treat IR because they didn't develop it. They don't eat the same carbs that SAD dieters do that developed health problems. Neither did the cultures that were low carb based, although those have mostly disappeared now.
And yes, you basically said the same things I did about TKD and CKD. Some athletes, often lifters, use carbs as a performance enhancing substance. For health, they eat keto.12 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
Keto does not eliminate vegetables or even fruits. Green leafy vegetables and high fiber vegetables are encouraged, and low-glycemic fruits such as berries are absolutely fine to consume. Also, although the fat you consume is higher, it's not really an obscene amount if you are doing it correctly. Adding avocado and olive oil to your diet is not unhealthy, and the fat is what helps keep you satiated. It's not like you are sitting there eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I didn't say that it eliminated fruits and vegetables...but if you're limited to 20g carbs, you are very much restricting those things to tiny amounts...which is what I said...reading comprehension is an invaluable thing.
Most people I know doing keto are having about 70% dietary fat...IMO, that's an obscene amount of fat...I couldn't do it.
Fat does not personally satiate me.
Maybe not eating Crisco by the spoonful, but I know a lot of keto folks dumping Tbsps of coconut oil in their coffee which is just gross.
I'm not bashing the diet...I was simply stating why I couldn't personally do it due to the factors I mentioned...the foul breath and body odor would be another issue for me...but that's just me.
I had the bad breath and body odor when I did it. and it was AWFUL
We had a guy at work who's done keto on and off for about the last 5 years. He keeps losing and gaining the same 50 Lbs. It would suck every time he went back to keto because his breath was so foul and his BO was incredible even with deodorant...and it doesn't smell like regular BO...more like he crapped his pants or something.
I used to be his supervisor, so I had to field all of the complaints from other employees...never did really figure out how to address it.
You could leave anonymous gift on his desk, like a Costco sized package of sugar free mints
Or a hazmat suit.
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snickerscharlie wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »brneydgrlie wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Thinking about trying the keto diet. I am trying to cut just a few pounds for a summer trip that I am taking with a couple of my friends. I have heard that keto is super easy to do after the initial two days. Please advise on how long it took for you to lose X number of pounds and to see the results or how long it took to get over the "keto flu" or tips on how to manage or good food to eat. Just any tips. Wanting to start soon!
Thanks for your help in advance.
xx
"Easy" would be highly subjective and individual. Personally, I wouldn't find limiting carbohydrates to next to nothing very easy, nor would I find eating copious amounts of dietary fat easy or limiting protein easy.
I suppose it's easy for some who gravitate towards eating a ton of fat and have little interest in fruits and vegetables and other quality carbohydrates in more than the tiniest amounts.
Also keep in mind that initial losses on the scale are largely water and glycogen depletion...if you're planning on drinking alcohol on your trip, be prepared to put back on water weight and bloat.
Keto does not eliminate vegetables or even fruits. Green leafy vegetables and high fiber vegetables are encouraged, and low-glycemic fruits such as berries are absolutely fine to consume. Also, although the fat you consume is higher, it's not really an obscene amount if you are doing it correctly. Adding avocado and olive oil to your diet is not unhealthy, and the fat is what helps keep you satiated. It's not like you are sitting there eating Crisco by the spoonful.
I didn't say that it eliminated fruits and vegetables...but if you're limited to 20g carbs, you are very much restricting those things to tiny amounts...which is what I said...reading comprehension is an invaluable thing.
Most people I know doing keto are having about 70% dietary fat...IMO, that's an obscene amount of fat...I couldn't do it.
Fat does not personally satiate me.
Maybe not eating Crisco by the spoonful, but I know a lot of keto folks dumping Tbsps of coconut oil in their coffee which is just gross.
I'm not bashing the diet...I was simply stating why I couldn't personally do it due to the factors I mentioned...the foul breath and body odor would be another issue for me...but that's just me.
I had the bad breath and body odor when I did it. and it was AWFUL
We had a guy at work who's done keto on and off for about the last 5 years. He keeps losing and gaining the same 50 Lbs. It would suck every time he went back to keto because his breath was so foul and his BO was incredible even with deodorant...and it doesn't smell like regular BO...more like he crapped his pants or something.
I used to be his supervisor, so I had to field all of the complaints from other employees...never did really figure out how to address it.
You could leave anonymous gift on his desk, like a Costco sized package of sugar free mints
Or a hazmat suit.
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the8BitGirl wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »why would you want to cycle in and out of ketosis? what is the point of that?
The point is usually regulating your blood sugar levels (avoiding massive peaks and valleys) for the vast majority of the time, so that you minimize cravings triggered by sugar crashes. That doesn't mean you have to stay in ketosis 100% of the time to get the benefits of a ketogenic lifestyle.
That would suggest that a person doesn't have the ability to regulate blood sugar, which for the vast majority of people, we have the ability. And unless your just eating straight sugar, candy or sodas, you aren't having huge blood sugar swings like its lead to believe.
Since most people now have IR and related problems (T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD), most people do not regulate their BG adequately. One need not eat straight sugar to get sugar crashes, although that is definitely a culprit.
CKD or TKD are performance based diets used to take advantage of a keto lifestyle while still using carbs for specific (exercise/fitness) goals.
That is a fairly wild interpretation of the statistics; this doesn't eve include that treatment is different from prevention (Alzheimers, NAFLD, CVD), which are largely caused by genetics and obesity, not by blood sugar swings. Even further, this still doesn't take into consideration that all of those disorders are treated by a variety of ways, especially weight loss.
But if you look at the diabetes statistics, they states that 8% of the population is actually diagnosed with diabetes. The other 33% of undiagnosed are people who have markers that are a warning of their increased risk of diabetes and if action is not taken at some point my develop diabetes. In comparison to other 1st world countries who haven't continuously lowers their risk standards (like America several years ago) those statistics are much lower.
Again, looking at the healthiest and longest living nations in the world, they are all high carb, low meat diets. They are all active and have low rate of diseases. It's when they are exposed to westernized foods (highly caloric, high in fats, processed sugars, etc...) do they gain weight and increase the rate of disease. So it's not the carbs, fats, salts, etc.. it's a signficant increase in calories and reduction in activity, driving obesity rates through the roof.
So no, the average person doesn't have to worry about blood sugar. They more have to worry about eating nutrient dense foods, maintaining a healthy weight and exercising.
CKD and TKD are designed to take advantage of carbs and performance. Which further demonstrates the performance reductions driven by keto diets. Carb based diets are proven to be more effective, which is why Dr. Attia says it's a performance enhancing drug. I know this because everyone who refeeds after doing keto, to include body builders, so record lifts. It's very common that lean body builders see huge increases in power output after they eat dirty after competition.
Apparently, the stats you have seen are different than what I have seen. Alzheimer's, NAFLD and CVD appear to be caused by, or correlated to (depending on what you read), IR. Even most cancers are made worse by under treated, or untreated, IR.
If you wish to include children and young adults in that, your percentage will go down. It also looks lower when you look at who is actually diagnosesd - many are missed. But, if you look at what people experience in their lifetime, most will deal with IR and some health issue manifestation of it, depending on what organs are IR.
I do agree that weight loss and exercise do help many of those IR related/caused health issues. That's a separate issue from diet type. A diet is just the foods one eats. Some diets help IR more than others.
The blue zones have nothing to do with dealing with IR. They largely have a healthier whole food diet, and better social networks, than what people who are dealing with IR must usually manage. The blue zones don't treat IR because they didn't develop it. They don't eat the same carbs that SAD dieters do that developed health problems. Neither did the cultures that were low carb based, although those have mostly disappeared now.
And yes, you basically said the same things I did about TKD and CKD. Some athletes, often lifters, use carbs as a performance enhancing substance. For health, they eat keto.
If the claim is that Alzheimer's and CVD is caused by IR, I feel like you're getting ahead of the research there. Do the major organizations that research causes and treatments for these conditions share your opinion?9 -
the8BitGirl wrote: »CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »why would you want to cycle in and out of ketosis? what is the point of that?
The point is usually regulating your blood sugar levels (avoiding massive peaks and valleys) for the vast majority of the time, so that you minimize cravings triggered by sugar crashes. That doesn't mean you have to stay in ketosis 100% of the time to get the benefits of a ketogenic lifestyle.
That would suggest that a person doesn't have the ability to regulate blood sugar, which for the vast majority of people, we have the ability. And unless your just eating straight sugar, candy or sodas, you aren't having huge blood sugar swings like its lead to believe.
Since most people now have IR and related problems (T2D, prediabetes, PCOS, NAFLD, Alzheimer's, CVD), most people do not regulate their BG adequately. One need not eat straight sugar to get sugar crashes, although that is definitely a culprit.
CKD or TKD are performance based diets used to take advantage of a keto lifestyle while still using carbs for specific (exercise/fitness) goals.
That is a fairly wild interpretation of the statistics; this doesn't eve include that treatment is different from prevention (Alzheimers, NAFLD, CVD), which are largely caused by genetics and obesity, not by blood sugar swings. Even further, this still doesn't take into consideration that all of those disorders are treated by a variety of ways, especially weight loss.
But if you look at the diabetes statistics, they states that 8% of the population is actually diagnosed with diabetes. The other 33% of undiagnosed are people who have markers that are a warning of their increased risk of diabetes and if action is not taken at some point my develop diabetes. In comparison to other 1st world countries who haven't continuously lowers their risk standards (like America several years ago) those statistics are much lower.
Again, looking at the healthiest and longest living nations in the world, they are all high carb, low meat diets. They are all active and have low rate of diseases. It's when they are exposed to westernized foods (highly caloric, high in fats, processed sugars, etc...) do they gain weight and increase the rate of disease. So it's not the carbs, fats, salts, etc.. it's a signficant increase in calories and reduction in activity, driving obesity rates through the roof.
So no, the average person doesn't have to worry about blood sugar. They more have to worry about eating nutrient dense foods, maintaining a healthy weight and exercising.
CKD and TKD are designed to take advantage of carbs and performance. Which further demonstrates the performance reductions driven by keto diets. Carb based diets are proven to be more effective, which is why Dr. Attia says it's a performance enhancing drug. I know this because everyone who refeeds after doing keto, to include body builders, so record lifts. It's very common that lean body builders see huge increases in power output after they eat dirty after competition.
Apparently, the stats you have seen are different than what I have seen. Alzheimer's, NAFLD and CVD appear to be caused by, or correlated to (depending on what you read), IR. Even most cancers are made worse by under treated, or untreated, IR.
If you wish to include children and young adults in that, your percentage will go down. It also looks lower when you look at who is actually diagnosesd - many are missed. But, if you look at what people experience in their lifetime, most will deal with IR and some health issue manifestation of it, depending on what organs are IR.
I do agree that weight loss and exercise do help many of those IR related/caused health issues. That's a separate issue from diet type. A diet is just the foods one eats. Some diets help IR more than others.
The blue zones have nothing to do with dealing with IR. They largely have a healthier whole food diet, and better social networks, than what people who are dealing with IR must usually manage. The blue zones don't treat IR because they didn't develop it. They don't eat the same carbs that SAD dieters do that developed health problems. Neither did the cultures that were low carb based, although those have mostly disappeared now.
And yes, you basically said the same things I did about TKD and CKD. Some athletes, often lifters, use carbs as a performance enhancing substance. For health, they eat keto.
And IR is not driven by carbs or anything of that manner. And in real life, I know very few diabetics, those with PCOS and IR. And I talk diet and fitness with a ton of people. PCOS tends to be much higher than diabetes and IR. It's certainly not half or more of the population. That is literally nonsense. And while those with IR might have a higher risk to have more than one disease, it doesn't mean everyone has IR.
Also, yes, the blue zones don't have SAD, which means they don't have tons of fried fats, back goods and sugary drinks. All of which are high in calories. They also consume on average 1700 calories and are active.7 -
Speaking of word play:
Op as you can clearly see , the true believers of eating in moderation will stop at nothing to spread the propaganda. They'll twist words and talk in circles, inject feelings instead of fact and misrepresent their way of eating.
If keto is what you like then go for it! But please don't be mistaken. Keto isn't going to cure all these wild ailments and cause amputated limbs to magically reappear as some people like to joke. If you have a some medical conditions that could call for you to limit carbs, take a look into lowering carb intake, but there's no reason to go to keep trying the same moderation thing over and over for failed weight loss.
Just because someone is keto doesn't automatically mean they are healthy. I know people who think drinking whipping cream and oil and eat fatty meats makes them unhealthy - just because they are a low carber and eat saturated fats. There's a ton of myths about keto and low carb. There's also tons of people who spread these myths daily because they truly believe it. It's almost like a eat in moderation religion for some.
Be very careful and do your own research. Don't rely on biased opinions and word play, learn how to decipher it on your own. You'll soon see that there's nothing magical about it.
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Has anyone used the ketosis cookbook? I have heard some seriously mixed reviews about it. Some say that its the best thing ever while others say its completely garbage. simplefitnessproject.com/reviews/ketosis-cookbook/nb In this review the user claimed that he lost some serious weight following this cookbook. However I am a bit skeptical. I would love to hear some opinions
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Billbegood wrote: »Has anyone used the ketosis cookbook? I have heard some seriously mixed reviews about it. Some say that its the best thing ever while others say its completely garbage. simplefitnessproject.com/reviews/ketosis-cookbook/nb In this review the user claimed that he lost some serious weight following this cookbook. However I am a bit skeptical. I would love to hear some opinions Thanks
Keto is exactly like any other diet - if you consume less calories than you expend over time, you'll lose weight; if you consume more calories than you expend over time, you'll gain weight. So the meals in any cookbook could cause you to lose, gain or maintain, depending on your calorie intake levels.4 -
'We had a guy at work who's done keto on and off for about the last 5 years. He keeps losing and gaining the same 50 Lbs. It would suck every time he went back to keto because his breath was so foul and his BO was incredible even with deodorant...and it doesn't smell like regular BO...more like he crapped his pants or something.'
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This whole thread is full of people who are doing nothing but 'woo'ing every post that sounds like the poster had even remotely positive results from a vlcd. If you tried it and it didn't work for you, that's fine - we're all made differently, YMMV and all that. But all I keep seeing are people saying that just because it didn't work for them that must mean everybody else with a different or positive experience must be ignorant or wrong. I've never seen any other type of WOE get as much hate on these forums as keto and I find it fascinating. *shrug*20
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the8BitGirl wrote: »This whole thread is full of people who are doing nothing but 'woo'ing every post that sounds like the poster had even remotely positive results from a vlcd. If you tried it and it didn't work for you, that's fine - we're all made differently, YMMV and all that. But all I keep seeing are people saying is that just because it didn't work for them that must mean everybody else with a different or positive experience must be ignorant or wrong. I've never seen any other type of WOE get as much hate on these forums as keto and I find it fascinating. *shrug*
And exactly how would you handle this differently, just curious. Only people who have tried keto? Shrug10 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »And exactly how would you handle this differently, just curious. Only people who have tried keto? Shrug
By continuing in the same way I have been handling it thus far, by not shooting down the experiences others have and respecting the fact the everybody responds differently to changes in their diet.
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the8BitGirl wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »And exactly how would you handle this differently, just curious. Only people who have tried keto? Shrug
By continuing in the same way I have been handling it thus far, by not shooting down the experiences others have and respecting the fact the everybody responds differently to changes in their diet.
But the OP asked for opinions or tips.8 -
They asked for a review, which I provided earlier in the thread. Perhaps you'd care to read it, and then come back to resume our banter?L1zardQueen wrote: »But the OP asked for opinions or tips.
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the8BitGirl wrote: »
They asked for a review, which I provided earlier in the thread. Perhaps you'd care to read it, and then come back to resume our banter?L1zardQueen wrote: »But the OP asked for opinions or tips.
I read it, it’s not magical like you state. The woos are “high fives”. I don’t follow.7 -
the8BitGirl wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »And exactly how would you handle this differently, just curious. Only people who have tried keto? Shrug
By continuing in the same way I have been handling it thus far, by not shooting down the experiences others have and respecting the fact the everybody responds differently to changes in their diet.
No one is doubting ketogenic... We know it one of many diets that can be effective. Its the wild claims associated with it that drives the discussion. And the woo'ing happens with both sides and not even sure why it matters. Its kind of a dumb button.5 -
the8BitGirl wrote: »This whole thread is full of people who are doing nothing but 'woo'ing every post that sounds like the poster had even remotely positive results from a vlcd. If you tried it and it didn't work for you, that's fine - we're all made differently, YMMV and all that. But all I keep seeing are people saying that just because it didn't work for them that must mean everybody else with a different or positive experience must be ignorant or wrong. I've never seen any other type of WOE get as much hate on these forums as keto and I find it fascinating. *shrug*
Pretty sure that nearly every post on here has been woo'd, regardless of which side of the fence you sit. Those woo'd the most aren't those who have had success, but those spouting pseudoscience with their success.
Most around these parts agree that keto can be very successful with managing CICO. Most agree that it can be a great tool for managing medical conditions around blood sugar levels and even better for epilepsy management.6 -
the8BitGirl wrote: »This whole thread is full of people who are doing nothing but 'woo'ing every post that sounds like the poster had even remotely positive results from a vlcd. If you tried it and it didn't work for you, that's fine - we're all made differently, YMMV and all that. But all I keep seeing are people saying that just because it didn't work for them that must mean everybody else with a different or positive experience must be ignorant or wrong. I've never seen any other type of WOE get as much hate on these forums as keto and I find it fascinating. *shrug*
So the people saying "fat is satiating" or "keto naturally suppressed your appetite" are just telling their opinion but the ones pointing out that is not true for everyone are the ones who are generalising. K.12 -
Pretty sure woo’s are supposed to be ‘this post is full of woo/BS’ not high fives lizard queen
OP
I’ve been following low carb thats moved into keto for about 5 weeks (with a couple of high carb but still low cal days early on when I was away)
I’ve lost 5.4kg (12lbs) and lots of cms - I’m down a belt size and my clothes are fitting much more loosely - I’ve even ordered smaller work uniform - I’ve switched to keto cause it’s delicious food in my opinion.
I’ve got lots of energy and am going to the gym most days and I don’t feel like I’m starving at any point during the day. I’ll very occasionally get hungry if I haven’t had breakfast (usually because I slept in) and lunch break comes late. The main thing is that I’m enjoying food and feeling better eating this way.
I get between 10-40gm carbohydrate a day - I’m not overly careful about it tbh - I stuck my finger at work to test my ketones for interest sake and I’m in ketosis but wouldn’t be bothered if I wasn’t - I’m happy if I’m losing
Day to day
I eat lots of proteins with salad/veg (broccoli, cauli, zucchini etc) and add in avocado or cheese or mayo
I often have chicken breast stuffed with mozzarella cooked in tomatoes or satay beef or various other protein based meals
I have peanut butter on celery, macadamias, salami, dark chocolate for snacks,
I have the occasional piece of fruit - I’ve never been a huge fruit eater but yesterday I had half a pack of raspberries and 2 apricots because that’s what I felt like. I do a main shop once a month and prior to this would buy maybe some berries and some stone fruit or mango and then not buy fruit for the rest of the month and not feel like I was missing out- it’s just not something I’ve ever been hugely into and often would throw out fruit past it’s best.
However, there are a few reasons that this suits me:
I’m gluten free (I’ve got celiacs) so I don’t feel like I’m missing bread type products cause I’ve not really eaten them for year and years
I’m not a huge fan of potatoes other than mashed and I am single so can never be bothered going to the trouble of making them and prob had them once every six months at someone’s house
I usually couldn’t be bothered to make rice for myself either unless it’s out of a microwave packet lol
And I’m much more a ‘cheese and wine’ kinda person than a chocolate one so it’s not been a huge shift to cut out sweets (don’t get me wrong I still like sweets but it’s not something I eat often)
The only real “changes” I’ve made aside from being diligent about counting calories is switching to mainly black coffee (bye bye lattes
) and completely cutting alcohol (which isn’t necessary for keto I'm just doing that because historically I’ve drunk a lot of my calories and wanted to challenge myself to give up booze for a bit). I’ve also stopped buying ready meals - which is prob half the reason I’m feeling so good.
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »the8BitGirl wrote: »This whole thread is full of people who are doing nothing but 'woo'ing every post that sounds like the poster had even remotely positive results from a vlcd. If you tried it and it didn't work for you, that's fine - we're all made differently, YMMV and all that. But all I keep seeing are people saying that just because it didn't work for them that must mean everybody else with a different or positive experience must be ignorant or wrong. I've never seen any other type of WOE get as much hate on these forums as keto and I find it fascinating. *shrug*
Pretty sure that nearly every post on here has been woo'd, regardless of which side of the fence you sit. Those woo'd the most aren't those who have had success, but those spouting pseudoscience with their success.
Most around these parts agree that keto can be very successful with managing CICO. Most agree that it can be a great tool for managing medical conditions around blood sugar levels and even better for epilepsy management.
I'm not sure the WOO button was a well thought out inclusion to the forums. All it seems to be used for is a 'butthurt button' or an 'I don't like you button' - we are all guilty of it.
As this forum has a larger percentage of 'conventional wisdom' calorie counters, anyone not following calorie counting/IIFYM tends to get more woo's - most people I think accept that fact.
Most of the woos on threads have very little to do with 'pseudoscience' spouted from either side of the fence.
Maybe more of these threads need to be moved by admin to the debate forum, as they tend to go off track very quickly and the OP gets forgotten.10 -
I tried keto and fat did not nor does it satiate me. it did not supress my appetite, it did not give me energy in fact the 2 months I did it my health declined. I could barely get out of bed(no it wasnt keto flu),I couldnt do household chores,defiinetly could not do exercise. I had brain fog,couldnt think straight,my RA was awful,I was in pain,bad headaches, and so on.
I was ready to go to the ER because I was convinced I was dying(no joke). hubby told me to go back to eating the way I was ,I did and started to improve days later, needless to say for me I found out that my type of cholesterol issue is familial hypercholesterolemia and my body cannot process fats and cholesterol like most other people can. it was too much for my body to handle.
at the time I didnt know that because people were saying it would improve my cholesterol,I would have more energy and I would feel better. they were wrong.my health condition if I dont control it with a low fat,low cholesterol,high fiber diet I am prone to type 2 diabetes(because of the defect), I can have a heart attack,stroke,TIA,etc. I didnt see an improvement in cholesterol either of course it was worse than before. I also didnt lose a lot of weight even though I was in a deficit. so keto is not magical way to lose weight( even in a deficit). for me it made no difference besides the 5lb of water weight I lost the first 2 weeks in.4 -
the8BitGirl wrote: »L1zardQueen wrote: »And exactly how would you handle this differently, just curious. Only people who have tried keto? Shrug
By continuing in the same way I have been handling it thus far, by not shooting down the experiences others have and respecting the fact the everybody responds differently to changes in their diet.
Who's shooting down the experience of others?
The OP asked for opinions and tips.4 -
I find the state of ketosis has definitely kept me feeling full. The biggest supplement was MCT oil. That changed the game for me. I typically take 2-4 tablespoons daily. 2 per sitting. When I need more fat I take it. It has no taste and is great for maintaining Ketosis3
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