August 2018 Running Challenge
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amymoreorless wrote: »Okay, answer a debate I have with a person in my running group. When running, the body diverts energy away from the digestive system and into our moving and working parts ( https://www.manhattangastroenterology.com/exercise-affects-digestion/ ). Does eating a small something during a long run really help?
I never eat during a run because it upsets my stomach. I wake up early and eat something small (toast, banana, etc) an hour before a long run. I bring a diluted energy drink in my hydration belt for runs over 10 miles. I did not eat during my marathon last December except for one orange slice at mile 21. A few people in my running group (not all) are telling me that eating helps. I have never found this to be true. Food takes a while to digest even when the body is at rest. Thoughts?
Everyone is a bit different in this but in general yes.0 -
amymoreorless wrote: »Okay, answer a debate I have with a person in my running group. When running, the body diverts energy away from the digestive system and into our moving and working parts ( https://www.manhattangastroenterology.com/exercise-affects-digestion/ ). Does eating a small something during a long run really help?
I never eat during a run because it upsets my stomach. I wake up early and eat something small (toast, banana, etc) an hour before a long run. I bring a diluted energy drink in my hydration belt for runs over 10 miles. I did not eat during my marathon last December except for one orange slice at mile 21. A few people in my running group (not all) are telling me that eating helps. They try to sell me on that Gu and shotblock stuff. I have never found this to be true. Food takes a while to digest even when the body is at rest. Thoughts?
I think it depends on how fast you run ie whether your body is using glycogen or converting fat for energy. Also, I don’t think all your energy is diverted. Running in the heat is harder because blood and energy is being diverted to cool your body. So I imagine your body is still doing a bit of digestion.
Everyone is different though. The gu and blocks are quick energy sources- your body convert the simple sugar to energy quickly which is why your friends are pushing th.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »amymoreorless wrote: »@MegaMooseEsq
Extroverted weight lifter: "I love going to the gym! I work out hard, see other people, it's great!"
Introverted weight lifter: "It's too much effort to go to the gym. I'm much happier with the weights in my basement. And they're paid for, no monthly fee!"
My observation: Free weights are not subject to technological obsolescence. The 25 lb. dumbbells I bought in 2005 still weigh 25 lbs. in 2018. In that respect, lifting is more economical than running; but I love running.
YES!!!! THIS!!!
Absolutely! The running version would be something like -10 energy for running, -1000 every time I see someone approaching and my brain does the "should I acknowledge them or not/am I staring at them/are they staring at me/oh no they sort of blinked and I didn't acknowledge them do they think I'm rude" dance.2 -
RE: Introvert. I am Introvert with a side of shy. I only like talking to friends and family and even then it tires me. I loathe talking to strangers and I really hate when I have headphones in and people say hi or try to talk to me. No, just no.
RE: Food. I have to have gu for long runs. I typically use 2 during a half, depends how I feel. It definitely gives me a boost of energy. I can do 8-9 training miles without (except lately - heat) but despite being a more conservative racer I still go out harder than training runs.1 -
amymoreorless wrote: »Okay, answer a debate I have with a person in my running group. When running, the body diverts energy away from the digestive system and into our moving and working parts ( https://www.manhattangastroenterology.com/exercise-affects-digestion/ ). Does eating a small something during a long run really help?
I never eat during a run because it upsets my stomach. I wake up early and eat something small (toast, banana, etc) an hour before a long run. I bring a diluted energy drink in my hydration belt for runs over 10 miles. I did not eat during my marathon last December except for one orange slice at mile 21. A few people in my running group (not all) are telling me that eating helps. They try to sell me on that Gu and shotblock stuff. I have never found this to be true. Food takes a while to digest even when the body is at rest. Thoughts?
You feel like death when you run out of glycogen. Your body can only hold up to 2 hours running worth of glycogen.
To feel less like death, you can start eating things on your run before then.
Your body can't give you all the energy in that food you eat running, but it's still better than none.1 -
Last night I took my husband to get fitted for a pair of running shoes as an early birthday present. He’s completed the first week of c25k in his old falling apart pair and I decided he was ready for an upgrade.
Since we’ve both started running, I asked Facebook for jogging stroller recommendations and one of our neighbors had a spare one. First spin in it tonight, my husband just walked and pushed our tiny human while I did w6d1 of c25k. 2.25 mi in between rain drops. My IT band started hurting when I was halfway through, a bit of numbness in my foot also confirmed that my left side is tight. I foam rolled tonight (got a roller from the local running store along with my husband’s sneakers) and stretched. Probably more stretching and rolling later.
August: 15/20 miles11 -
August goal: 180 miles
Date................Miles............Total/Remaining
8/1...................Rest.............. 000.00/180.00
8/2...................Rest.............. 000.00/180.00
8/3...................Rest.............. 000.00/180.00
8/4...................20.00............... 20.00/160.00
8/5.....................5.00............... 25.00/155.00
8/6...................Rest................. 25.00/155.00
8/7.....................9.00............... 34.00/146.00
8/8.....................5.50............... 39.50/140.50
8/9.....................5.00............... 44.50/135.50
8/10.................Rest................. 44.50/135.50
8/11..................24.00............... 68.50/111.50
8/12.................Rest.................. 68.50/111.50
8/13.................Rest.................. 68.50/111.50
8/14..................10.00............... 78.50/101.50
Upcoming Races:
August 25, 2018 Bubble Run 5K (Pittsburgh, PA)
October 20, 2018 Sinnemahone Ultra Marathon Trail Run 50K (Emporium, PA)4 -
PastorVincent wrote: »In church we’re supposed to ‘take a minute and greet people around you’ and I hate it. Forced socializing. I prefer being social on my own terms.
Funny thing about that... we do not do that at my church, in part because all the research that I have seen says visitor list it as their number 1 complaint when visiting a new church. I tend to agree with them.
L.p.
Funny for me because I would classify as mostly introvert.(teaching is a very extrovert thing) but as much as I like pastor Vincent I could not attend a church where people didn't shake hands and greet each other. (No judgement here. It just wouldn't work as spiritual for me.)1 -
8/1: 1.19
8/3: 4.07
8/4: 5
8/5: 6.04
8/9: 2.9
8/11: 17
8/12: 3
8/13: 4.5
8/14: 1.1
Total: 45.2/100
9/30 Wineglass Marathon
I focused on strength training today, but I ran just a little over a mile on the treadmill at the gym.
I am an introvert. I have a small handful of close friends around whom I can be outgoing. Otherwise, I’m perfectly happy being alone or just with the hubby.
I have not listened to audiobooks while running. On long runs, I tend to listen to podcasts, but I think I might try to find some good books to download.5 -
Another introvert here (INTJ on the Meyers Briggs thingy). I love the fact that running is just me and my thoughts.
My worst nightmare is having to go to conferences and do those awful 'ice-breakers' or having to go on team-building exercises with my colleagues. At the last one, I was asked to give a presentation. I showed Susan Cain's 'the power of introverts' TED Talk.4 -
Neither particularly introverted or extroverted here. Don't have a lot of friends, bothers me sometimes but not often. Prefer to run alone, with no music, as other people either slow me down or make me run too fast. I think I may simply be self centred!
Running challenge
1 August: Yoga
2 August: 18.43 at 6:10 pace
3 August: Rest
4 August: Rest (fly to Fiji)
5 August: Rest
6 August: 5.2km
7 August: 5.2km
8 August: 5.2km
9 August: 5.2km
10 August: 5.2km
11 August: Rest (fly home)
12 August: Rest (plus about 4 hours of gardening and lawn mowing)
13 August: Yoga
14 August: 6km
15 August: Yoga
50.43 of 120km for August8 -
1---3.03 run
2---8.72 mile mtn bike ride
4---6.22 intervals
5---8.06 hike
7---3.31 intervals
8---8.60 muddy trails bike
11---5.27 interval run
12---5.80 interval run
14---4.02 interval run
Running. 35.7/85 miles
Cycling. 17.3 miles
Upcoming Races
October 14th Spirit of Survival Lawton OK. Quarter Marathon
November 3rd Dinosaur Valley Endurance Run. Half. Glen Rose TX
March 31, 2019 A2A Undecided distance. Ardmore OK
April 28, 2019 OKC Memorial Marathon (half)4 -
amymoreorless wrote: »Okay, answer a debate I have with a person in my running group. When running, the body diverts energy away from the digestive system and into our moving and working parts ( https://www.manhattangastroenterology.com/exercise-affects-digestion/ ). Does eating a small something during a long run really help?
I never eat during a run because it upsets my stomach. I wake up early and eat something small (toast, banana, etc) an hour before a long run. I bring a diluted energy drink in my hydration belt for runs over 10 miles. I did not eat during my marathon last December except for one orange slice at mile 21. A few people in my running group (not all) are telling me that eating helps. They try to sell me on that Gu and shotblock stuff. I have never found this to be true. Food takes a while to digest even when the body is at rest. Thoughts?
In a long slow easy run, I might not need a gel to run 12 or 14 miles. I'll take one at 6 or 7 miles anyway. My last 20 mile run, I took gels at 6.5 and 13.5 miles. I might have been okay with just one, or with none. Other runners report training themselves to run 10 or even 18 miles with no nutrition.
Here's the deal: My first pace leader, a multiple-time iron man, explained that you take gels (or Shot Bloks or whatever) on training runs in part to train your body to digest while running. Then when you get to the marathon or ironman tri, your body is used to what you trained with, digests it, and gives you the energy from the gel/blok/whatever in addition to however much energy you were able to store with carb loading. But if you don't train with eating, chances are that eating won't do you much good on race day.
So you train taking nutrition for several reasons:
- To determine what foods/products your body will accept.
- To train your body to digest something while running, so you can keep running faster than an easy pace for longer.
- So that when a gel that was never a problem in training *is* a problem on race day, it gives you a clue that there's something else going on. (Not that I've ever been smart enough to perceive that clue in real time during a race.)
- So that on race day, opening the gel is a familiar activity that you can do at marathon pace and don't have to stop to figure out. (Don't underestimate this. The rain at Boston disrupted the normality of opening gels sufficiently that I took probably 2 fewer than I should have.)
All that having been said, every runner is a unique individual. Food does take a while to digest, even something like a gel that is engineered to be digested quickly. Some people have trickier digestive systems than others; if you're one of the lucky ones whose stomach is easily upset, you just have to figure out what works for you personally. It does you no good for me to say all brands of gels are about the same, if you can only take GU or only take Honey Stinger gels.4 -
cburke8909 wrote: »PastorVincent wrote: »In church we’re supposed to ‘take a minute and greet people around you’ and I hate it. Forced socializing. I prefer being social on my own terms.
Funny thing about that... we do not do that at my church, in part because all the research that I have seen says visitor list it as their number 1 complaint when visiting a new church. I tend to agree with them.
L.p.
Funny for me because I would classify as mostly introvert.(teaching is a very extrovert thing) but as much as I like pastor Vincent I could not attend a church where people didn't shake hands and greet each other. (No judgement here. It just wouldn't work as spiritual for me.)
You miss understand. We are a very friendly church. You are likely to get hugged if you show up (not by me though!). What we do not do, is the fake ‘take a minute and greet people around you’ thing that many churches do. We let any interaction happen naturally and do not order it as part of the service.1 -
BruinsGal_91 wrote: »Another introvert here (INTJ on the Meyers Briggs thingy). I love the fact that running is just me and my thoughts.
My worst nightmare is having to go to conferences and do those awful 'ice-breakers' or having to go on team-building exercises with my colleagues.
THIS!!!0 -
All that having been said, every runner is a unique individual. Food does take a while to digest, even something like a gel that is engineered to be digested quickly. Some people have trickier digestive systems than others; if you're one of the lucky ones whose stomach is easily upset, you just have to figure out what works for you personally. It does you no good for me to say all brands of gels are about the same, if you can only take GU or only take Honey Stinger gels.
This. One runner I know could not finish a 5k because she had a milkshake 2 hours before - this is a woman that has run way longer races (from up through and including marathon) so it was not fitness, it was the diary.
I, on the other hand, probably could drink a milkshake in the starting corral and be okay. I have had milkshakes an hour or two before races and not had a problem.
So you need to test for yourself and see what works for you cause what works for me might now.0 -
August Running Totals (miles)
8/1 – 2.97 IEXC 5K #1
8/2 – 7.28 MP and easy
8/3 – rest day
8/4 – 16.01 paced run
8/5 – 6.28 easy with fast finish
8/6 – rest day
8/7 – 5.35 warmup, soft tempo run
8/8 – 3.99 warmup + IEXC 5K #2
8/9 – 10.04 easy
8/10 – rest day
8/11 – 20.02 partly paced run
8/12 – rest day
8/13 – 5.01 easy
8/14 – 5.67 warmup, speed play, cool down
August running total to date – 82.62
Nominal August mileage goal: 180 miles
Real goals: Avoid injury. Continue to build base and train toward Oak Tree Half and Wineglass Marathon.
Today's notes – It rained this morning. The forecast had decreasing chance of rain as time went on, to about 50% at club practice time. I looked at the sky, looked at the hourly forecast, looked at the clock, looked at the various speed workouts the club had listed, and ended up driving to the west side of town to work out with the other training program. Part of this was traffic as I exited my driveway, part was wanting an easier day, part was forecasts calling for the rain to clear earlier on the west side than on the east side of town.
The FF training program has a shorter warmup and cooldown, and easier speed work designed for beginning distance runners. I didn't know what the coach would have till I got there. It turned out to be 3 x 0.90 miles of single file running with 2-3 minutes recovery. The idea is, a group of people run the loop in the park in single file at about their easy long run pace. The back runner peels off and runs to the front, and the next up peels off and follows. For an odd number of people the next-to-back runner should end up in front; for an even number, the back runner should end up in front. Over time, this means everyone does both the initial peel off and pass and the take off after the runner making a move.
In theory, this is practicing following someone who breaks away from the pack in a race. I thought of it as also practicing keying off a runner, and not letting that runner get too far ahead while also not making an effort to pass that runner.
As it happened, there were several runners there with a long run pace of 9:00 or 9:30. The coach put me in the fast group, and asked me to try to hold it to 9:00 between sprints. Don't know how well I did when I was in the lead, but I can stay behind someone else who is setting the pace. And everyone in that group was capable of passing me when I'm just running easy.
Garmin says our 3 loops of this game averaged 8:09, 8:06, and 8:15 per mile. They felt very easy to me. I ran easy during most of the recovery intervals, and after the last one took a short loop of the path. Caught the slowest group near the end, and surprised them by passing them in my turn right before they finished.
It felt cool enough at 77º F, but the dewpoint was 69º F so I was soaked with sweat when we got done. Probably due to the cut up nature of the night and the fact that I was toning it down to slower runner's target paces, I felt pretty fresh. It's nice to just run and feel healthy once in a while, instead of pushing really hard.
2018 races:
February 17, 2018 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) finished in 54:48
February 24, 2018 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) finished in 28:46
March 17, 2018 USATF Masters 8K (Shamrock 8K, Virginia Beach, VA) finished in 31:55
March 24, 2018 Spring Forward 15K (Mendon, NY) ran at MP, finished in 1:10:47
April 16, 2018 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:28:43
April 29, 2018 USATF Masters 10K (James Joyce Ramble, Dedham, MA) finished in 41:33
May 20, 2018 Lilac 10K (Rochester, NY) finished in 42:21
May 26, 2018 Sunset House 5K (Rochester, NY) finished in 20:12
June 3, 2018 USATF Masters Half Marathon (Ann Arbor, MI) finished in 1:34:42
June 9, 2018 Ontario Summit Trail Half Marathon (Naples, NY) DNS - injury
June 17, 2018 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) short course, 18:04 for ~2.9 miles
June 30, 2018 Charlie's Old Goat Trail Run 5 mile (Victor, NY) 4.89 miles by Garmin, 43:15
July 14, 2018 Shoreline Half Marathon (Hamlin, NY) finished in 1:45:54
July 28, 2018 Battle at Bristol 10K (Naples, NY) survived in 1:28:33
August 1, 2018 IEXC 5K #1 (Rochester, NY) finished in 22:17
August 8, 2018 IEXC 5K #2 (Rochester, NY) finished in 22:10
August 22, 2018 IEXC 5K #3 (Rochester, NY)
August 29, 2018 IEXC 5K #4 (Rochester NY)
August 29, 2018 IEXC TDP 1 mile (Rochester, NY)
August 29, 2018 IEXC TDP 400m (Rochester, NY)
September 2, 2018 Oak Tree Half Marathon (Geneseo, NY)
September 30, 2018 Wineglass Marathon (Bath, NY)
November 11, 2018 Syracuse Half Marathon (Syracuse, NY)6 -
8/1 3.5 m
8/2 Rest
8/3 Rest
8/4 3.5 m
8/5 5 m
8/6 Rest
8/7 UP Rest
8/8 3.5 m
8/9 Rest
8/10 2.5 m am run
8/11 3 m
8/12 UP Rest
8/13 2 m
8/14 1.5 m
Short distance after work last night and even shorter tonight. My shoes are on their last leg so today I thought hey I'll bust out those one shoes I don't wear and see how it goes. Yeah, there's a reason I don't wear them. Called it quits 1.5 m in because I could feel the blisters starting to form and walked home. Then I kettlebelled til I was too tired to be angry.
24.5/75
Upcoming Races:
10/? 2 mile RACC Inauguration Celebration Run *maybe*
10/28 Fitzy's Run 5k
12/8 West Reading Run Santa Run 5k8 -
8/1 3.5 m
8/2 Rest
8/3 Rest
8/4 3.5 m
8/5 5 m
8/6 Rest
8/7 UP Rest
8/8 3.5 m
8/9 Rest
8/10 2.5 m am run
8/11 3 m
8/12 UP Rest
8/13 2 m
8/14 1.5 m
Short distance after work last night and even shorter tonight. My shoes are on their last leg so today I thought hey I'll bust out those one shoes I don't wear and see how it goes. Yeah, there's a reason I don't wear them. Called it quits 1.5 m in because I could feel the blisters starting to form and walked home. Then I kettlebelled til I was too tired to be angry.
24.5/75
Upcoming Races:
10/? 2 mile RACC Inauguration Celebration Run *maybe*
10/28 Fitzy's Run 5k
12/8 West Reading Run Santa Run 5k
Never mind! Sorry about your shoes, though.0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »All that having been said, every runner is a unique individual. Food does take a while to digest, even something like a gel that is engineered to be digested quickly. Some people have trickier digestive systems than others; if you're one of the lucky ones whose stomach is easily upset, you just have to figure out what works for you personally. It does you no good for me to say all brands of gels are about the same, if you can only take GU or only take Honey Stinger gels.
This. One runner I know could not finish a 5k because she had a milkshake 2 hours before - this is a woman that has run way longer races (from up through and including marathon) so it was not fitness, it was the diary.
I, on the other hand, probably could drink a milkshake in the starting corral and be okay. I have had milkshakes an hour or two before races and not had a problem.
So you need to test for yourself and see what works for you cause what works for me might now.
This +1. I almost bailed out of my first full marathon because I ate too much that morning as suggested by a more experienced friend. "You'll get really hungry out there! Better eat some more," she said. Started feeling nauseous at 28km and nearly didn't make it. Couldn't eat a thing until nightfall.
Now I know that I'm one of those people who can either run or digest, not both. During longer trail runs, I eat sparingly and then walk for maybe a quarter hour coming out of the station.1
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