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clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.
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singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
Having a masters degree in Chemistry is vastly different than having a masters degree in say...food science or nutrition. I am finishing my masters in sustainability and environmental compliance but that doesn't make me any more informed on medical diseases than you. BUT I do know this because of studying scholarly sources (not blogs and forums), leaky gut is not the same as IBS or Chrons; Epstein Barre is not the same as Chicken Pox; GMO is not harmful for consumption (refer back to my masters because, yes, this is something I am VERY informed about); and last but not least, giving you constructive feedback when your claims are patently incorrect and downright dangerous is not attacking you - it is informative and generous. Having completed a masters degree, you should understand that continual learning and constructive debate is a gift, not an attack.
What claim have I so called made by sharing a string ng to an article I had read. I haven’t made up this info. And I find it hard to believe that all these experts responding with such negativity have an agenda of helping vs hurting. And did I ever say I bre better than someone else who I haven’t met. But a lot of you said that about me. Shows me there very finite mind
That same string links to Mercola who is one of the biggest quacks around. Spreading misinformation is not helping anyone except the quacks gain more money. Please link peer reviewed scientic research to back your claims. With a Masters in Chemistry you should know about scientific studies and peer review.
I have never heard of this Mercola person But the information I shared was info given to me by a Bariatric physician who I have known for 30 years.5 -
[quote="clsumrall1;c-42479899"I have never heard of this Mercola person But the information I shared was info given to me by a Bariatric physician who I have known for 30 years. [/quote]
Not a scholarly source but it leads you to information about Mercola.
https://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html4 -
Have you seen a GI for your digestive issues?2
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debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.
Really wow anyway interesting how one innocent thread became a *kitten* storm. Didn’t know on a site that I have to prove my opinion. So much for a support group.11 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.
Really wow anyway interesting how one innocent thread became a *kitten* storm. Didn’t know on a site that I have to prove my opinion. So much for a support group.
Whether you're online or not -- when you make factual claims, it's not unreasonable for people to expect them to be based in reality, on reliable information.13 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Have you seen a GI for your digestive issues?
Yes am still seeing them That was my original point because after 30 years with crohns and IBS and too many other issues I for the first time am getting relief. It’s making a huge difference. In getting a little quality of life for the first time.5 -
We can be a support group but we don't support dangerous and incorrect information. If you like bone broth and you think it is your cure all, then you do you. You can post anything you want about any topic but you can't expect to post a topic and not have people comment. My suggestion is that next time, you truly do your research and be sure you have scientific evidence to back it up. Being that you are a chemist, I am sure you understand the scientific method and will look for studies that have used true science to back their claims. If you choose not to do that, then you will get exactly the same response next time that you got this time from the people here.19
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clsumrall1 wrote: »debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.debrakgoogins wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »Good luck to all of you who are sooo over the top with your attitudes wow a simple subject and now I’m being accused of making light of people’s illnesses. To decide if I have any Critical thinking abilities really shows exactly what a piece of XX 💋 you are
Now, you resort to name calling because people are trying to help you understand that your sources are not credible. Where did you get your masters degree and do you have a copy of your thesis? I ask this because I find it very had to believe that any accredited school would have approved your thesis if you feel that forums, blogs and cookbooks are reliable, scholarly sources. We're not deliberately attacking you but it's kind of hard not to. You're making it way too easy to be judged. I'm not dissing bone broth because I think it's tasty but it isn't a medical cure for anything. It certainly isn't going to cure "leaky gut" because there is no such thing. It has been debunked time and time again in the scientific world. Since you have a masters degree and believe that referencing your sources is unnecessary, I will let you find those studies. Hint: type leaky gut debunked into Google.
Really wow anyway interesting how one innocent thread became a *kitten* storm. Didn’t know on a site that I have to prove my opinion. So much for a support group.
You didn't represent it as opinion, and when it was questioned you tried to link us to proof that wasn't actually proof.
You posted this in the General Health, Fitness, and Diet forum, not Support. Regardless, I don't think it's supportive to allow misrepresentations of health information to stand unchallenged. Too many people spend years chasing their tails following all the baseless woo that's out there and often give up. I think it's supportive to educate so that folks can have informed opinions :drinker:16 -
I personally can't stand the ra-ra, but there is is designated "support" forum in here, if it's support you're looking for.5
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clsumrall1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Have you seen a GI for your digestive issues?
Yes am still seeing them That was my original point because after 30 years with crohns and IBS and too many other issues I for the first time am getting relief. It’s making a huge difference. In getting a little quality of life for the first time.
I am happy to hear you are getting relief. Dealing with chronic issues can be emotionally and physically devastating.7 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »
If you check the Mayo Clinic Forum it take you right to the Mayo Clinic site. FYI. I have a master degree in Chemistry thank you very much for sharing your knowledge to the extent you have. This is a simple thread and why people feel the need to attack others is beyond me
The Mayo clinic forums is not the same thing as the Mayo clinic.clsumrall1 wrote: »Check out the Mayo Clinic like I did. LEAKY GUT has become a catch all phrase which includes those symptoms. I find the
Mayo Clinic To be believeable and Informative
Umm.. no. They are all types of herpesviruses, but they are not the same.Just like chronic fatigue syndrome became a catch all phrase in the 80’s we know it all started with the Epstein Barr virus which is the same as chicken pox Mono ect.
You owe me a new irony meter.Feel free to educate yourself
I educated myself when I went to nursing school many years ago. I also use critical thinking skills to help me separate science from pseudoscience. You should take your own advice and educate yourself as nothing you have posted in this thread is based on sciences .
I think people are frustrated that you're propounding all sorts of dodgy nutritional, medical and scientific opinion as known fact. Look, if what you're doing works for you, fine. But using junk science to justify your consumption of meat soup is a bit much.14 -
clsumrall1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Have you seen a GI for your digestive issues?
Yes am still seeing them That was my original point because after 30 years with crohns and IBS and too many other issues I for the first time am getting relief. It’s making a huge difference. In getting a little quality of life for the first time.
That's incredible that you went 30 years of flare without having major surgery. I'm surprised that your dr let you go that long. Have you tried biologics? They are very effective in lots of people. I would be dead if I relied on diet alone. I've only been diagnosed for 3.5 years and I've already had a proctocolectomy (which has helped more than any diet or meds could).4 -
https://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/food-sensitivities-may-affect-gut-barrier-function. For your entertainment please check out this feed.7
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Intestinal permeability and "leaky gut syndrome" are not the same thing12
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clsumrall1 wrote: »https://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/food-sensitivities-may-affect-gut-barrier-function. For your entertainment please check out this feed.
This is better and a more reputable source. It says nothing about leaky gut though. Just, please read everything and with seeking truth your primary objective. This is a direct quote from that article: "Intriguing as the study is, Dr. Vazquez Roque observes that CLE is not a well-recognized methodology for studying the intestinal barrier and that some of the commercial assays for gut permeability have not been validated at the research level for use in clinical practice."7 -
That was not my understanding my point I so poorly made was all of the diseases share a lot of common threads.4
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clsumrall1 wrote: »Lol. Well what caught my interest is the personal results I haveHad. I’m lucky here in NE Pennsylvania I have great access to dairy and farm which are all grass feed cow lamb pork. It’s so clean and quite different from grain fed. To make bone broth which has quite different profile than stock or regular broth. FYI. Must cook for about 3 days and requires apple cider vinegar that is organic and raw to do the proper treatment. I us marrow bones chicken feet and carcass as well as lamb and pork. FYI do your due diligence. please, and if you don’t like the discussion feel free to leave. But stop the hate ing
btw, broth is a vegetable product and stock has bones. so like chicken stock or beef stock. mmmm...shrimp stock.2 -
I have had many surgeries That’s my point. I’m such a work horse and high threshold of pain but I finally became fully disabled because of this illness. Surgery after surgery. No gallbladder left and now liver disease because of the holistic approach I took-in the 80’s. And now I get gamma globulin infusions every 28 days I started on those in 1980 after a year had to stop and restart it in 2015.singingflutelady wrote: »clsumrall1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »Have you seen a GI for your digestive issues?
Yes am still seeing them That was my original point because after 30 years with crohns and IBS and too many other issues I for the first time am getting relief. It’s making a huge difference. In getting a little quality of life for the first time.
That's incredible that you went 30 years of flare without having major surgery. I'm surprised that your dr let you go that long. Have you tried biologics? They are very effective in lots of people. I would be dead if I relied on diet alone. I've only been diagnosed for 3.5 years and I've already had a proctocolectomy (which has helped more than any diet or meds could).
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clsumrall1 wrote: »https://www.mayoclinic.org/medical-professionals/clinical-updates/digestive-diseases/food-sensitivities-may-affect-gut-barrier-function. For your entertainment please check out this feed.
Excellent article, it backs up what people have been telling you throughout this thread. Intestinal permeability is a thing, related to some auto-immune issues and food intolerances. Where are you getting "leaky gut" from?
"Since then, loss of intestinal barrier integrity has been shown to affect immune homeostasis and play a key role in the development of a variety of conditions, including inflammatory bowel disease, irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), celiac disease, Clostridium difficile infection, graft-versus-host disease, type 1 diabetes mellitus, rheumatoid arthritis and other autoimmune disorders."
Is this why you insist on lumping together a group of unrelated issues? The fact that they are mentioned in the same sentence doesn't make them the same thing. That's basic reading comprehension.
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