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So I'm in a Facebook group that says high fat is not right and that I should eat more protien and lower my fat if I want to lose weight. For months everything I've read states higher fat and moderate protien. Any thoughts suggestions or confirmations?
Several different views from what I’ve seen so far. Some think that high protein triggers gluconeogenesis and can kick you out of ketosis. Some believe that the glucose caused by too much protein is negligible. My view is that we want protein to spare muscle loss but our main fuel source should be fat.
Excess protein can also be bad for the kidneys. Listen to your body is what I would say. I like experimenting a bit and seeing what works best for me.
I agree with both views I believe. Too many people say this or that. I've decided and have tried to have protien and fat be some whatt even in a percentage aspec. I can't focus in macros and counting anything. Who lives line that? To me it's not fun. I've decided if it's meat, fish, eggs, and some healthier veggies I'm going to eat it. So far this helped me break through a stall and I can still lift heavy weights and feel great.
As I understand it, excess protein is only bad for some kidneys if you already have a pre-existing kidney problem.
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So I'm in a Facebook group that says high fat is not right and that I should eat more protien and lower my fat if I want to lose weight. For months everything I've read states higher fat and moderate protien. Any thoughts suggestions or confirmations?
Several different views from what I’ve seen so far. Some think that high protein triggers gluconeogenesis and can kick you out of ketosis. Some believe that the glucose caused by too much protein is negligible. My view is that we want protein to spare muscle loss but our main fuel source should be fat.
Excess protein can also be bad for the kidneys. Listen to your body is what I would say. I like experimenting a bit and seeing what works best for me.
I agree with both views I believe. Too many people say this or that. I've decided and have tried to have protien and fat be some whatt even in a percentage aspec. I can't focus in macros and counting anything. Who lives line that? To me it's not fun. I've decided if it's meat, fish, eggs, and some healthier veggies I'm going to eat it. So far this helped me break through a stall and I can still lift heavy weights and feel great.
As I understand it, excess protein is only bad for some kidneys if you already have a pre-existing kidney problem.
Not even then if what I've been reading has merit - and I don't know that it does - but on the surface it's looking like everything else we assumed had robust science supporting it but that doesn't appear to be the case.1 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »So I'm in a Facebook group that says high fat is not right and that I should eat more protien and lower my fat if I want to lose weight. For months everything I've read states higher fat and moderate protien. Any thoughts suggestions or confirmations?
Several different views from what I’ve seen so far. Some think that high protein triggers gluconeogenesis and can kick you out of ketosis. Some believe that the glucose caused by too much protein is negligible. My view is that we want protein to spare muscle loss but our main fuel source should be fat.
Excess protein can also be bad for the kidneys. Listen to your body is what I would say. I like experimenting a bit and seeing what works best for me.
I agree with both views I believe. Too many people say this or that. I've decided and have tried to have protien and fat be some whatt even in a percentage aspec. I can't focus in macros and counting anything. Who lives line that? To me it's not fun. I've decided if it's meat, fish, eggs, and some healthier veggies I'm going to eat it. So far this helped me break through a stall and I can still lift heavy weights and feel great.
As I understand it, excess protein is only bad for some kidneys if you already have a pre-existing kidney problem.
Not even then if what I've been reading has merit - and I don't know that it does - but on the surface it's looking like everything else we assumed had robust science supporting it but that doesn't appear to be the case.
I'll have to find the article, but Eric Helms had data on super high diets (like 300g+) amd even after a year +, there was no signs of it impacting kidneys. I believe the key was maintaining adequate hydration.6 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »So I'm in a Facebook group that says high fat is not right and that I should eat more protien and lower my fat if I want to lose weight. For months everything I've read states higher fat and moderate protien. Any thoughts suggestions or confirmations?
Several different views from what I’ve seen so far. Some think that high protein triggers gluconeogenesis and can kick you out of ketosis. Some believe that the glucose caused by too much protein is negligible. My view is that we want protein to spare muscle loss but our main fuel source should be fat.
Excess protein can also be bad for the kidneys. Listen to your body is what I would say. I like experimenting a bit and seeing what works best for me.
I agree with both views I believe. Too many people say this or that. I've decided and have tried to have protien and fat be some whatt even in a percentage aspec. I can't focus in macros and counting anything. Who lives line that? To me it's not fun. I've decided if it's meat, fish, eggs, and some healthier veggies I'm going to eat it. So far this helped me break through a stall and I can still lift heavy weights and feel great.
As I understand it, excess protein is only bad for some kidneys if you already have a pre-existing kidney problem.
Not even then if what I've been reading has merit - and I don't know that it does - but on the surface it's looking like everything else we assumed had robust science supporting it but that doesn't appear to be the case.
I'll have to find the article, but Eric Helms had data on super high diets (like 300g+) amd even after a year +, there was no signs of it impacting kidneys. I believe the key was maintaining adequate hydration.
I'd be interested to read it
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Since I've started this thread I've lost 61 lbs doing keto. Everyone has been helpful and encouraging.4
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Generally the advice it to up your salt significantly - it’s often to do with electrolyte imbalances due to water loss. Also make sure you’re drinking enough water :-)0
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AlabasterVerve wrote: »So I'm in a Facebook group that says high fat is not right and that I should eat more protien and lower my fat if I want to lose weight. For months everything I've read states higher fat and moderate protien. Any thoughts suggestions or confirmations?
Several different views from what I’ve seen so far. Some think that high protein triggers gluconeogenesis and can kick you out of ketosis. Some believe that the glucose caused by too much protein is negligible. My view is that we want protein to spare muscle loss but our main fuel source should be fat.
Excess protein can also be bad for the kidneys. Listen to your body is what I would say. I like experimenting a bit and seeing what works best for me.
I agree with both views I believe. Too many people say this or that. I've decided and have tried to have protien and fat be some whatt even in a percentage aspec. I can't focus in macros and counting anything. Who lives line that? To me it's not fun. I've decided if it's meat, fish, eggs, and some healthier veggies I'm going to eat it. So far this helped me break through a stall and I can still lift heavy weights and feel great.
As I understand it, excess protein is only bad for some kidneys if you already have a pre-existing kidney problem.
Not even then if what I've been reading has merit - and I don't know that it does - but on the surface it's looking like everything else we assumed had robust science supporting it but that doesn't appear to be the case.
I'll have to find the article, but Eric Helms had data on super high diets (like 300g+) amd even after a year +, there was no signs of it impacting kidneys. I believe the key was maintaining adequate hydration.
I have read that protein is nothing to fear for most of us from other sources as well. I have also read FEAR stands for False Evidence Appearing Real 80% of the time.
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False Evidence Appearing Real3
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L1zardQueen wrote: »False Evidence Appearing Real
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amberdonahoe wrote: »
I usually up my salt Intake4 -
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amberdonahoe wrote: »
I usually up my salt Intake
I would look at what your lunch is containing. I tend to have some lettuce which is more of a garnish and some protein with avocado, hard boiled egg, sour cream and guacamole. It gives me enough fat to coast through the afternoon. Mornings is where I struggle but I do an early morning workout so I treat myself to some almonds and macadamia nuts.0 -
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I seem to be stuck at my current weight. I know I have more to lose but I think I may need to readjust my diet.1
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How long have you been stuck?1
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I seem to be stuck at my current weight. I know I have more to lose but I think I may need to readjust my diet.
This is a need that I have as well. Finally set down and counted up my calories and over the last year my daily calories had moved from around 3000 to 4000. Drinking 1600 calories of heavy whipping cream in on day got my attention. Better than boiled custard for me but calories still count.
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L1zardQueen wrote: »How long have you been stuck?
For about 3 weeks or so0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I seem to be stuck at my current weight. I know I have more to lose but I think I may need to readjust my diet.
This is a need that I have as well. Finally set down and counted up my calories and over the last year my daily calories had moved from around 3000 to 4000. Drinking 1600 calories of heavy whipping cream in on day got my attention. Better than boiled custard for me but calories still count.
Yeah I started to look at my calories as well. I have been a little more active and going to Juijitsu more so I'm thinking it's not the calories but my macros are off.0 -
I was stuck for a couple of weeks but started moving again. I am not sure if it was the handful of nuts I was eating mid morning, which I stopped or that I started dabbling with fasting.0
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I seem to be stuck at my current weight. I know I have more to lose but I think I may need to readjust my diet.
This is a need that I have as well. Finally set down and counted up my calories and over the last year my daily calories had moved from around 3000 to 4000. Drinking 1600 calories of heavy whipping cream in on day got my attention. Better than boiled custard for me but calories still count.
Yeah I started to look at my calories as well. I have been a little more active and going to Juijitsu more so I'm thinking it's not the calories but my macros are off.
It could be the increased activity that stalled the scale. When you start a new activity, or really increase intensity, your muscles experience some inflammation from the workout that you are giving them - more water retention. You may well be losing some fat, or size, but the extra water weight could be masking it on the scale.
Do you have any before pictures to compare to? That sometimes tells a better story. The same goes for tape measurements.
I experienced that a number of years ago. I was pretty newly into lifting and had to stop about 3 months into a new program due to a back injury. Within two weeks of stopping, my weight dropped close to 10lbs, without any change in caloric intake. Muscle recovery/water retention could be playing a role.0 -
I was stuck for a couple of weeks but started moving again. I am not sure if it was the handful of nuts I was eating mid morning, which I stopped or that I started dabbling with fasting.
I weigh nuts now. A handful is a risky measuring device for such a calorie dense food.
https://www.thekitchn.com/a-visual-guide-to-100-calories-of-nuts-snack-tips-from-the-kitchn-2017780 -
Down 70lbs.. 50lbs of it being Keto.1
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How many you consuming?1 -
How many you consuming?
Based on ketogains calculator I'm supposed to consume about 1553 calories. I'm close to that maybe 100 off give or take at times. I've used this since the beginning and it's been working. But this is where I thing I need to make some adjustments0 -
How many you consuming?
Based on ketogains calculator I'm supposed to consume about 1553 calories. I'm close to that maybe 100 off give or take at times. I've used this since the beginning and it's been working. But this is where I thing I need to make some adjustments
That is pretty low, especially for a guy who is active. It would definitely make to hard to maintain your muscle at those levels. I suspect you might be holding onto some water weight. Have you taken a diet break since you started?2
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