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What commonly given MFP Forum advice do you personally disagree with?
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
I don't get the underlying assumption that people aren't smart enough to make wise choices to avoid hunger while counting calories nor do I get the underlying assumption that people don't already know anything about nutrition.
This is really a better and shorter way of making the point I was trying to.
I do not get that at all!5 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
Disagreement != offense.
It's weird to me how so many people leap to "Oh, you're offended" when people disagree with them.21 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
Your statement was unclear.
If the statement was intended to be: "not everyone can lose weight merely by counting calories, some need other tools too, or instead of that," then I don't even think it's an unpopular opinion. I'd add to it that you need to be ready and willing to do what is necessary to lose weight, and some people just aren't. That's not a slam, there was a time when I wasn't.11 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
Your statement was unclear.
If the statement was intended to be: "not everyone can lose weight merely by counting calories, some need other tools too, or instead of that," then I don't even think it's an unpopular opinion.
Yep- I don't think anyone would have batted an eyelash.6 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
There are times when counting calories is torture for me, so in those instances I pull out a different tool to get me where I need to go. I get it my man...0 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
But the weight loss still occurs because of the calorie deficit, whether a person counts calories or not. Eating plans like IF and keto are just different tools to accomplish that. I don't think I've ever seen anyone say you can't lose weight if you don't count calories.
I don't believe he is arguing that...2 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
But the weight loss still occurs because of the calorie deficit, whether a person counts calories or not. Eating plans like IF and keto are just different tools to accomplish that. I don't think I've ever seen anyone say you can't lose weight if you don't count calories.
I don't believe he is arguing that...
Maybe not. He just mentioned "continually maintaining a deficit".0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
Disagreement != offense.
It's weird to me how so many people leap to "Oh, you're offended" when people disagree with them.
Yeah, I find this odd too.7 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Yeah, anyone can though. I mean, anyone mentally capable of doing the calculations and mentally capable of abiding by them. It may not be fun, it may not be pretty, but even someone whose basal metabolism is tiny, even someone with a deficient thyroid, even someone on medication which causes weight gain can eat less, create a deficit, and if there is a deficit, that person will lose weight.
In some cases a person may need to eat far less than the default calculations suggest to create a deficit, but there are no people who can magically survive without food. If there were, they would be signing them up for the trip to Mars - it would save NASA a whole heap of trouble!4 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
Actually everyone (at least everyone reading this that has access to the internet and ability to use it along with many who can do it manually) DOES have the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and maintaining a deficit. Some people just need to find a different way that fits their personality/lifestyle better.
I don't think most of the regulars here care what method a person chooses to get into a calorie deficit as long as it is not scammy in nature.
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chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying.
Didn't realize this was the riddle thread......16 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying.
Didn't realize this was the riddle thread......
It's actually the semantics and interpretation thread.6 -
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chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Not sure what you're trying to say.
This is akin to saying people cannot get out of debt by balancing their accounts.5 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Huh. 50 pounds down and maintaining for almost a year. What do you think people need to do to lose weight in addition to counting calories?
edit: If you meant to say that you don't believe "everyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone, sure, I agree with that. Not even an unpopular opinion. But those are two completely different statements.2 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Huh. 50 pounds down and maintaining for almost a year. What do you think people need to do to lose weight in addition to counting calories?
edit: If you meant to say that you don't believe "everyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone, sure, I agree with that. Not even an unpopular opinion. But those are two completely different statements.
That's exactly what I meant. I should have used everyone instead of anyone. Thanks for the insight.2 -
chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
I'm glad you clarified. I was going to ask you for clarification, but wanted to finish reading the thread first. I have to say, I found your comment ambiguous, but felt like some responses were making assumptions and responding to those.
In general, I agree with what (I think) you're saying.
We all became overweight for a huge variety of reasons, and all have different experiences with weight loss. While I agree with many here who believe that CI < CO is the baseline physics of what's needed, that doesn't speak to any other dimension that can enter into the situation: Emotional, psychological, physical challenges like illness or injury or their treatments, family dynamics, food supply logistics, discomfort with the arithmetic or other characteristics of the calorie counting process, and much more. I think that's the logic behind a saying you see around here sometimes about weight loss: "Simple, but not easy."
While I agree with Jane that offense and disagreement are two different things, I think some people who did lose weight by counting calories alone (in their perception) may've felt ignored or even disbelieved (but I hasten to say that I don't know that; I'm just reading words, and how they come across to me.)
Actual communication is hard! :flowerforyou:
But if that's the interpretation someone took, I can see how they might feel that way, or close enough to come across that way in a text-based format.5 -
I would post that "words" thing, @AnnPT77....but we already had that discussion
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chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.chrisahubbard wrote: »
You know I don't disagree with this. Weight loss, gain or maintenance is always CICO. Calorie counting is but one of many tools in the tool bag to facilitate the process. That said, not everyone has the straight up willpower to do it. Some need other tools like IF, Keto, Low fat to get in and maintain a deficit...chrisahubbard wrote: »I don't personally believe "anyone" can lose weight by counting their calories alone. That's my unpopular opinion.
Finally someone got what I was saying. Not everyone has the ability to lose weight by counting calories, logging, and continually maintaining a deficit.
Everyone else just took offense that they and many others have done it.
I'm glad you clarified. I was going to ask you for clarification, but wanted to finish reading the thread first. I have to say, I found your comment ambiguous, but felt like some responses were making assumptions and responding to those.
In general, I agree with what (I think) you're saying.
We all became overweight for a huge variety of reasons, and all have different experiences with weight loss. While I agree with many here who believe that CI < CO is the baseline physics of what's needed, that doesn't speak to any other dimension that can enter into the situation: Emotional, psychological, physical challenges like illness or injury or their treatments, family dynamics, food supply logistics, discomfort with the arithmetic or other characteristics of the calorie counting process, and much more. I think that's the logic behind a saying you see around here sometimes about weight loss: "Simple, but not easy."
While I agree with Jane that offense and disagreement are two different things, I think some people who did lose weight by counting calories alone (in their perception) may've felt ignored or even disbelieved (but I hasten to say that I don't know that; I'm just reading words, and how they come across to me.)
Actual communication is hard! :flowerforyou:
But if that's the interpretation someone took, I can see how they might feel that way, or close enough to come across that way in a text-based format.
I interpreted him to be saying "no one can lose weight by counting calories alone," so to be claiming that EVERYONE who wanted to lose needed some kind of extra help (whatever it was).
Now that it has been clarified, no big deal, but the new version is just not an unpopular opinion. Most would agree. Thus the confusion.
Edit: I will admit that I have a chip on my shoulder about the idea that if one is overweight one must need to be tutored by others in how to eat or follow some special diet (which to me sounds like "if you are fat you must also be dumb and ignorant), and that is what I thought he was saying. It was a jump to conclusion based on my reading that NO ONE could lose just counting calories.5 -
bobsanders1 wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »bobsanders1 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »
I don't think I need to answer to you ABOUT WHAT ADVICE I PERSONALLY DONT AGREE WITH - GO EAT A BOWL OF CARROTS OR A BOWL OF ICE CREAM - YOUR CHOICE.
It's the Debate forum. We're debating.
As for carrots or ice cream...
More like an everyone must comply, hold hands and sing Kumbya together forum.
When is the last time you took a diet break? You seem a bit hangry.
I eat what i want on the weekends, no need for a diet brake, that's for the weak minded.
I highly recommend you educate yourself on the benefits of diet breaks. When you in a deficit for a long time and get to very lean levels (such as I do) they really make a huge difference.
Not looking to be lean, just not die early as a fat slob so I cant relate.
Well if your goals ever change or you find yourself wanting a break from being in a deficit, you may want to consider giving a diet break a chance. It's not just for us weaklings 11
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