has anyone drank apple cider vinegar to lose weight?
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LovelySavannah wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I don't use apple cidar vinegar for weight loss but I use it because it's a great detox ☺ I put a teaspoon of ACV in a cup of water and drink it daily. It's really healthy for your body. Though do not drink ACV by itself.. since it's so acidic it can damage your esophagus and tooth enamel, have to dilute it in water.
What is it you think you need to 'detox'?
Cleans out toxins in the liver/kidneys and regulates blood sugar levels. Also helps with UTI's.
No
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No ACV doesn't do any of those things you claim
Believe what you want.
I will go ahead and believe peer reviewed science instead of woo and pseudoscience.
That's great for you.
That's actually also great for anyone else reading this.
You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. You really need to vet your sources without a pre-determined bias clouding your perspective in order to be able to determine the difference.17 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »clicketykeys wrote: »I didn't know I was 'misinforming' because I believe in the reasons of why I drink it. Figured someone else could try it and see for themselves. I also said how to drink ACV without hurting your body and warned that it can hurt your body because if I didn't say that, then I can understand people getting upset at me for putting someone else in harms way, but I didn't, so I don't know how/way my comment has triggered so many people when I just wanted to help.
That just means you're not lying. You're still passing on inaccurate information. It's not correct just because you think it is.
I hadn't noticed anyone here who was "triggered" by the statements you made. (Anyone? If you were triggered, speak up, and I'll take that back.)
Most people here probably appreciate that you're trying to help. However, they're also trying to help by pointing out that your statements are inaccurate and offering proven, research-supported information instead.8 -
I see your point. I've seen everyone's point on who has replied to me. If I had known all of this was going to happen, I sure would have not said anything. Thanks for everyone's input and trust me, I won't voice my biased opinion without facts/studies ever again.13
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LovelySavannah wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I don't use apple cidar vinegar for weight loss but I use it because it's a great detox ☺ I put a teaspoon of ACV in a cup of water and drink it daily. It's really healthy for your body. Though do not drink ACV by itself.. since it's so acidic it can damage your esophagus and tooth enamel, have to dilute it in water.
What is it you think you need to 'detox'?
Cleans out toxins in the liver/kidneys and regulates blood sugar levels. Also helps with UTI's.
Name these toxins please.
Why can't your liver and kidneys do their job without assistance?
Any science to back up your medical claims?
I never said the liver and kidneys can't do the job on their own. I should have said "it helped" so my bad.
Here are some I found.
https://www.longevitylive.com/live-healthier/drink-apple-cider-vinegar-daily/
https://www.naturalnews.com/026910_apple_vinegar_cider.html
https://healthyhints.com/apple-cider-vinegar-detox
Also, I've had a doctor and a dietitian mention it before to me so I figured why not. I've been using it for a year now and haven't had any problems.
And this Google search is your science? You actually believe people are removing (curiously) nameless toxins although if you can't name them or test for them or measure them you are convinced they are there?
I've not been drinking ACV for 58 years and haven't had those issues and as far as I know people aren't turning up at Accident & Emergency with asymptomatic toxicity and being prescribed vinegar.
You know.. I don't remember forcing drinking ACV on anyone so why is everyone so against something I do with my own body? I'm happy that you have went 58 years without it. But I said this before and I'll say it again, I like it. I did not tell anyone that they need to do it, I was just saying what I use ACV for because someone asked. I did not find out about ACV by Google, I found it by my doctor and dietitian, which is a much more reliable source than Google. I only did the google search, because you asked, I'm sorry that you disagree with it.
What precisely did your Doctor and Dietician say?
Did they explain the mechanism by which a condiment helps the normal kidney and liver function?
For what condition (if you are happy to share)?
Did they diagnose you with some sort of toxicity? Blood tests? Biopsy?
Did they retest after a period of time to see if you have actually "detoxed".
I really didn't ask you to do a Google search for online magazine articles promoting ACV.
I didn't say I had a condition I'm trying to fix, I said I do it because I like it.
If you really wish to know. My doctor mentioned it because she knows I like natural remedies and I had a bad UTI that I didn't want to take antibiotics for. It wasn't going away with the over the counter pills and I don't like antibiotics because you can build up an immunity to them (This I know because my dad has built an immunity to Penicillin, now it won't work on him when he really needs it.) So she mentioned that her colleague used ACV to get rid of it so I tried it and it worked (hence why I listed it before on the things ACV helps with). My dietitian mentioned it because we were just talking and he mentioned that he uses ACV for detox. I thought "that's kind of neat" so I tried it and I liked the taste of it.
Sorry for the google search, not sure what else to provide aside from that since I don't have recordings of conversations with my care providers and don't have a list of every single toxin that goes through the body.
People don't build up an immunity to antibiotics. That's not how antibiotics work.
If you have a dietitian telling people to detox, they deserve to have their licensing revoked.
Yes, people do build up an immunity to something that they are exposed to numerous amount of times.
The dietitian did not order me to detox. We were just talking afterwards and that topic came up.
No, that just plain isn't how antibiotics work. Antibiotics don't work because of what they do to the person, they work because they kill the bacteria causing an infection. Humans are already immune to antibiotics by virtue of being eukaryotes.
When a person's illness doesn't respond to antibiotics, it means the bacteria causing the infection are immune. And that immunity isn't generic - antibiotics of different types target pathways. Taken properly an antibiotic should remove all bacteria so that any future infection is a different strain and won't have immunity from a person's prior infection.
Yes, that's long, but I seriously have no clue what your mental model for disease and antibiotics is that you think people become immune.
Any dietitian should be aware there is no detoxing diets, and they should be correcting misinformation.22 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »I see your point. I've seen everyone's point on who has replied to me. If I had known all of this was going to happen, I sure would have not said anything. Thanks for everyone's input and trust me, I won't voice my biased opinion without facts/studies ever again.
This is a lesson many people could really try to learn and I appreciate that your intentions were good and you were providing your own anecdotal experience with ACV not trying to force or even influence anyone else to follow your approach.
That said - there is a tremendous amount of misinformation prevalent about diet, weight loss, nutrition and fitness. Some of it is intentional - snake oil salespeople and others looking to profit off of passing bad or not scientifically supported methods.
Some of it is spread by people who seem like they have authority (you mentioned both a doctor and a dietician) but the thing is - many of these people are not actually as scientifically knowledgeable as their credentials suggest. Some of it is just propagated by media (traditional and social) to grab attention, headline, clicks, to generate buzz or advertising revenue.
Bottom line - there is zero scientific evidence that “detox” is a thing because there are zero toxins that are impacted by these methods that aren’t already addressed by your liver and kidneys. If someone tells you otherwise then you should be very skeptical. And you don’t need to “help” your liver and kidneys with these functions.
So why is it problematic if you’re doing it “because you like it”? And just want to mention it here in case anyone else wants to try? Because of all this confusing misinformation that is so prevalent. People need to understand what the actual root cause of weight loss is (a calorie deficit) so they can focus on what will truly work and not waste time on things like ACV or other nonsense perpetuating their frustration or potentially causing them to give up altogether.
I hope you’re still reading along and try to take this constructive advice with an open mind. Critically vetting sources is an invaluable skill set and it’s one that people here really pride themselves on. Its our best way to battle against all this misinformation and try to really help people meet their goals.19 -
It did nothing for me in terms of weight loss but it delayed my period a few times which scared the hell out of me so I stopped taking it. Didn't experience/notice any benefits of taking it.1
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snickerscharlie wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I don't use apple cidar vinegar for weight loss but I use it because it's a great detox ☺ I put a teaspoon of ACV in a cup of water and drink it daily. It's really healthy for your body. Though do not drink ACV by itself.. since it's so acidic it can damage your esophagus and tooth enamel, have to dilute it in water.
What is it you think you need to 'detox'?
Cleans out toxins in the liver/kidneys and regulates blood sugar levels. Also helps with UTI's.
No
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No ACV doesn't do any of those things you claim
Believe what you want.
I will go ahead and believe peer reviewed science instead of woo and pseudoscience.
That's great for you.
That's actually also great for anyone else reading this.
You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. You really need to vet your sources without a pre-determined bias clouding your perspective in order to be able to determine the difference.
Exactly. I read and respond to forums like this not just with the people commenting in mind, but with lurkers and those who made read this later as well. Knowledge is power. If I were doing something because I thought it was beneficial but had no basis in verifiable, scientific fact, I’d want to know about it. Evangelical belief in a “magic bullet” keeps a person from actually seeing and understanding what’s going on, and what’s ACTUALLY working.
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I drink it every day with turmeric and ginger.
It works for me.
Makes me feel great.
I can tell when I've went a few days without it or when I'm taking it.
I wake up feeling great.
I'm not sure what it does lol. But I know its doi g sonething.20 -
I drink it every day with turmeric and ginger.
It works for me.
Makes me feel great.
I can tell when I've went a few days without it or when I'm taking it.
I wake up feeling great.
I'm not sure what it does lol. But I know its doi g sonething.
Placebo effect is a powerful thing.19 -
MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Especially when something tastes as nasty as ACV does. I call it the Mea Culpa Syndrome - people choke it down and then think, "Wow! I just did something good for my body!" Atonement for their previous (and usually current) dietary 'sins.'
If it tastes like crap, it *has* to be doing good stuff, right? LOL10 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Especially when something tastes as nasty as ACV does. I call it the Mea Culpa Syndrome - people choke it down and then think, "Wow! I just did something good for my body!" Atonement for their previous (and usually current) dietary 'sins.'
If it tastes like crap, it *has* to be doing good stuff, right? LOL
I know I'm weird, but I actually like the stuff.
Still on the side of "does nothing magical for weight loss", though.2 -
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My husband says that it DOES work. "If you sit in a bath of it long enough, you'll dissolve."14
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KTaurusW0516 wrote: »Research It.
1) https://barrierislandorganics.com/ten-acv-benefits/
2)https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/6-proven-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar
3)https://www.verywellhealth.com/apple-cider-vinegar-88768
4)https://www.rd.com/health/wellness/apple-cider-vinegar-benefits/
5)https://www.longevitylive.com/live-healthier/drink-apple-cider-vinegar-daily/
6)https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323721.php
7)https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/health-and-wellness-articles/2018/august/debunking-the-health-benefits-of-apple-cider-vinegar
Still not good enough. A lady did an article on it. Healthy as can be and works out all the time. She tried it out for two weeks. She felt a clear difference.
1)https://whatsgood.vitaminshoppe.com/drink-apple-cider-vinegar-every-morning/
The plural of anecdote is not data. One lady thinking she feels better (note that 'feeling better' is not something that can be quantified, you feel better if you claim to feel better) is not the same as a study with a control group.12 -
Shantiece17 wrote: »I can't tell you about anyone else but for me (someone who religiously drinks a a tsp of ACV everyday before I eat) it a hundred percent helped in reducing my belly fat. October 22nd I was 286 now I'm 238 and I'm not saying that ACV is the entire reason I was able to drop weight so fast (I intermediate fast and workout at least 6 times a week) but I would say it has a huge impact on my weight loss.
Please watch this video, it was the sole reason for me to add it to my daily routine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeHl5Y7m1xM
Argh! What a *kitten*! I kind of was thinking he would be playing the alkalosis/acidosis card. As someone who actually was in hospital with a serious, yet still mild pH problem I can only shake my head. To give you an idea: something went wrong and I suddenly started peeing out 'alkaline' stuff and as a result the pH in my blood went down. My body tried compensating by peeing out all sorts of other useful stuff and by degassing CO2. Well, the first is bad because if you're already dehydrated for the original fluid loss and get rid of even more fluid and useful electrolytes: well, that's rather bad news. Secondly, degassing of CO2 is not fun either as your body forces you to exhale. Every time you inhale your body answers with a signal that says: I don't want more oxygen but to get rid of CO2! Exhale! Plus the lack of certain electrolytes, especially potassium lead to all sorts of nasty effects, like my heart going crazy and a nice bronchospasm that made breathing even more difficult. So eventually (the hospital had misplaced the blood gas test and kind of forgot me) the pH sorted itself out hours later, and overshot in the other direction. Having a too high pH is not fun either. There's still not much left to pee out for compensating even more, thus you simply stop breathing to preserve CO2. Every time I fell asleep, which I did after hours of feeling miserable my breathing just stopped, and for a moment it felt so good! Fortunately, the hospital did another blood gas test, and found the original one back. So yeah, that's what happened.
Basically: ACD does nothing. A tiny little shift towards higher or lower pH does nothing for you. Go over that very small normal range (7.35-7.45) and you'll likely end up in ER.12 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »It makes a nice dressing for a beet slaw that fills me up for relatively few calories. (Seriously. Pulse a jalapeno in the food processor. Switch to the grater blade. Process approx 6-8 beets with a peeled and cored Granny Smith apple. Put it all in a Ziploc with 1/3 cup sugar and 1/4 cup ACV. Seal the bag, shake it all up, and chill.)
Thanks for this @estherdragonbat , definitely trying this recipe which may represent the one way I would actually like Beets!3 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Studies have found that Apple cider vinegar has a modest effect on blood glucose and absorption of carbs, which makes it potentially interesting to diabetics. Although I tested it, and it made no measurable difference for me. It's also tasty in marinades and salad dressings.
It does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for weight loss. And drinking it is extremely nasty.
Actually, the studies have shown that acetic acid (in any vinegar, not just ACV) MIGHT have a modest effect on blood glucose. The same studies say that more research is needed to determine if it actually does. (I know, nitpicking)6 -
I drink it every day with turmeric and ginger.
It works for me.
Makes me feel great.
I can tell when I've went a few days without it or when I'm taking it.
I wake up feeling great.
I'm not sure what it does lol. But I know its doi g sonething.
It might make you feel great.
Feeling great is a subjective emotional thing.
I readily admit chocolate makes me feel great.
But that isn't a scientific or biological effect, let alone having any weight loss effect.
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rheddmobile wrote: »Studies have found that Apple cider vinegar has a modest effect on blood glucose and absorption of carbs, which makes it potentially interesting to diabetics. Although I tested it, and it made no measurable difference for me. It's also tasty in marinades and salad dressings.
It does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for weight loss. And drinking it is extremely nasty.
Actually, the studies have shown that acetic acid (in any vinegar, not just ACV) MIGHT have a modest effect on blood glucose. The same studies say that more research is needed to determine if it actually does. (I know, nitpicking)
Fair point! To be specific, there are a couple of promising studies that indicate it might have a small effect on glucose. The studies I read were using ACV in particular, but that doesn't mean any acetic acid wouldn't work the same way.
Incidentally, the one study which found that ACV before bed resulted in lower morning blood glucose readings was debunked because they were also feeding the participants a slice of cheese, in order to help them tolerate the vinegar, and a small fatty snack such as cheese before bed is widely known to reduce the dawn phenomenon of high morning readings. Which is a good example of why any single study on any subject should be taken with a large grain of salt.3 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »magnusthenerd wrote: »People don't build up an immunity to antibiotics. That's not how antibiotics work.
If you have a dietitian telling people to detox, they deserve to have their licensing revoked.
Yes, people do build up an immunity to something that they are exposed to numerous amount of times.
The dietitian did not order me to detox. We were just talking afterwards and that topic came up.
You think that people can be immune to antibiotics, and yet you expect us to believe you got good grades in nursing school?
Either you're lying about your education, or your school needs to be closed down. Possibly by burning. This is such basic medicine.10 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Especially when something tastes as nasty as ACV does. I call it the Mea Culpa Syndrome - people choke it down and then think, "Wow! I just did something good for my body!" Atonement for their previous (and usually current) dietary 'sins.'
If it tastes like crap, it *has* to be doing good stuff, right? LOL
I know I'm weird, but I actually like the stuff.
Still on the side of "does nothing magical for weight loss", though.
Yes, you *are* weird about that, but it's your only flaw so...
I *did* try it a few years ago when all of the hubbub about it first surfaced.
Happened to have a bottle in the fridge (it's one of the ingredients for a fabulous flank steak marinade I make, but I digress) so I poured myself a bit and downed it. Thought I was gonna die. To me, it tasted like pure bile in a shot glass.
The good news is I was on the verge of puking for the next few hours, so likely lost weight because I skipped lunch.
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Good apple cider vinegar does taste nice to me, but I was brought up using a shot glass worth of it per individual chip. Taste-wise, I could definitely drink a small glassful. For UK readers, I recommend Aspalls apple cider vinegar.
Malt vinegar, as in the cheap stuff at the counter at your local chip shop, would be a hella no, though.2 -
Yikes... it blows my mind people think this kind of thing will actually give you results...1
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LovelySavannah wrote: »Yes, people do build up an immunity to something that they are exposed to numerous amount of times.
The dietitian did not order me to detox. We were just talking afterwards and that topic came up.
Not true. I am exposed to apple cider vinegar posts a zillion times since joining MFP.
They still upset me.
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WinoGelato wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I see your point. I've seen everyone's point on who has replied to me. If I had known all of this was going to happen, I sure would have not said anything. Thanks for everyone's input and trust me, I won't voice my biased opinion without facts/studies ever again.
This is a lesson many people could really try to learn and I appreciate that your intentions were good and you were providing your own anecdotal experience with ACV not trying to force or even influence anyone else to follow your approach.
That said - there is a tremendous amount of misinformation prevalent about diet, weight loss, nutrition and fitness. Some of it is intentional - snake oil salespeople and others looking to profit off of passing bad or not scientifically supported methods.
Some of it is spread by people who seem like they have authority (you mentioned both a doctor and a dietician) but the thing is - many of these people are not actually as scientifically knowledgeable as their credentials suggest. Some of it is just propagated by media (traditional and social) to grab attention, headline, clicks, to generate buzz or advertising revenue.
Bottom line - there is zero scientific evidence that “detox” is a thing because there are zero toxins that are impacted by these methods that aren’t already addressed by your liver and kidneys. If someone tells you otherwise then you should be very skeptical. And you don’t need to “help” your liver and kidneys with these functions.
So why is it problematic if you’re doing it “because you like it”? And just want to mention it here in case anyone else wants to try? Because of all this confusing misinformation that is so prevalent. People need to understand what the actual root cause of weight loss is (a calorie deficit) so they can focus on what will truly work and not waste time on things like ACV or other nonsense perpetuating their frustration or potentially causing them to give up altogether.
I hope you’re still reading along and try to take this constructive advice with an open mind. Critically vetting sources is an invaluable skill set and it’s one that people here really pride themselves on. Its our best way to battle against all this misinformation and try to really help people meet their goals.
@WinoGelato ...Best post in the thread (apologies to many other great ones). @LovelySavannah I also hope you are following along. Since you just joined in December, I don't think you've had the chance to see all the ACV claims that pop up here very regularly. The negative responses to your claims are not personal, although I'm sure they might feel that way. They are negative to the claims themselves.
There is a huge amount of education you can glean from these forums, but you also have to read and investigate claims critically. Because for every bogus ACV claim out there, there's another one for the Obesity Code, all things insulin, Intermittent Fasting is magic and so on. I personally treasure the sheer knowledge available through people here whose only investment is time. People care about others reaching their goals. To the extent that misinformation prevents that, smart people here work hard trying to correct the misinformation - with zero reward for doing so, other than the fact that they have helped somebody gain the understanding necessary to be successful. Sometimes that success changes a person's life forever. So debunking misinformation is a noble thing. And I know it sound harsh, but's it's much more noble than making somebody feel okay about believing in things that simply are not true. I hope your mind is open for such things.10 -
Silentpadna wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I see your point. I've seen everyone's point on who has replied to me. If I had known all of this was going to happen, I sure would have not said anything. Thanks for everyone's input and trust me, I won't voice my biased opinion without facts/studies ever again.
This is a lesson many people could really try to learn and I appreciate that your intentions were good and you were providing your own anecdotal experience with ACV not trying to force or even influence anyone else to follow your approach.
That said - there is a tremendous amount of misinformation prevalent about diet, weight loss, nutrition and fitness. Some of it is intentional - snake oil salespeople and others looking to profit off of passing bad or not scientifically supported methods.
Some of it is spread by people who seem like they have authority (you mentioned both a doctor and a dietician) but the thing is - many of these people are not actually as scientifically knowledgeable as their credentials suggest. Some of it is just propagated by media (traditional and social) to grab attention, headline, clicks, to generate buzz or advertising revenue.
Bottom line - there is zero scientific evidence that “detox” is a thing because there are zero toxins that are impacted by these methods that aren’t already addressed by your liver and kidneys. If someone tells you otherwise then you should be very skeptical. And you don’t need to “help” your liver and kidneys with these functions.
So why is it problematic if you’re doing it “because you like it”? And just want to mention it here in case anyone else wants to try? Because of all this confusing misinformation that is so prevalent. People need to understand what the actual root cause of weight loss is (a calorie deficit) so they can focus on what will truly work and not waste time on things like ACV or other nonsense perpetuating their frustration or potentially causing them to give up altogether.
I hope you’re still reading along and try to take this constructive advice with an open mind. Critically vetting sources is an invaluable skill set and it’s one that people here really pride themselves on. Its our best way to battle against all this misinformation and try to really help people meet their goals.
@WinoGelato ...Best post in the thread (apologies to many other great ones). @LovelySavannah I also hope you are following along. Since you just joined in December, I don't think you've had the chance to see all the ACV claims that pop up here very regularly. The negative responses to your claims are not personal, although I'm sure they might feel that way. They are negative to the claims themselves.
There is a huge amount of education you can glean from these forums, but you also have to read and investigate claims critically. Because for every bogus ACV claim out there, there's another one for the Obesity Code, all things insulin, Intermittent Fasting is magic and so on. I personally treasure the sheer knowledge available through people here whose only investment is time. People care about others reaching their goals. To the extent that misinformation prevents that, smart people here work hard trying to correct the misinformation - with zero reward for doing so, other than the fact that they have helped somebody gain the understanding necessary to be successful. Sometimes that success changes a person's life forever. So debunking misinformation is a noble thing. And I know it sound harsh, but's it's much more noble than making somebody feel okay about believing in things that simply are not true. I hope your mind is open for such things.
And sometimes for the "reward" of having a poster ignore a person's carefully thought-out replies that they've taken the time to educate themselves about and share in favor of having their ears tickled by someone pushing nonsense.
Yes, I'm feeling a little bitter this morning! (different thread)
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snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Especially when something tastes as nasty as ACV does. I call it the Mea Culpa Syndrome - people choke it down and then think, "Wow! I just did something good for my body!" Atonement for their previous (and usually current) dietary 'sins.'
If it tastes like crap, it *has* to be doing good stuff, right? LOL
I know I'm weird, but I actually like the stuff.
Still on the side of "does nothing magical for weight loss", though.
Yes, you *are* weird about that, but it's your only flaw so...
I *did* try it a few years ago when all of the hubbub about it first surfaced.
Happened to have a bottle in the fridge (it's one of the ingredients for a fabulous flank steak marinade I make, but I digress) so I poured myself a bit and downed it. Thought I was gonna die. To me, it tasted like pure bile in a shot glass.
The good news is I was on the verge of puking for the next few hours, so likely lost weight because I skipped lunch.
I need this recipe, please! @snickerscharlie
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Silentpadna wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I see your point. I've seen everyone's point on who has replied to me. If I had known all of this was going to happen, I sure would have not said anything. Thanks for everyone's input and trust me, I won't voice my biased opinion without facts/studies ever again.
This is a lesson many people could really try to learn and I appreciate that your intentions were good and you were providing your own anecdotal experience with ACV not trying to force or even influence anyone else to follow your approach.
That said - there is a tremendous amount of misinformation prevalent about diet, weight loss, nutrition and fitness. Some of it is intentional - snake oil salespeople and others looking to profit off of passing bad or not scientifically supported methods.
Some of it is spread by people who seem like they have authority (you mentioned both a doctor and a dietician) but the thing is - many of these people are not actually as scientifically knowledgeable as their credentials suggest. Some of it is just propagated by media (traditional and social) to grab attention, headline, clicks, to generate buzz or advertising revenue.
Bottom line - there is zero scientific evidence that “detox” is a thing because there are zero toxins that are impacted by these methods that aren’t already addressed by your liver and kidneys. If someone tells you otherwise then you should be very skeptical. And you don’t need to “help” your liver and kidneys with these functions.
So why is it problematic if you’re doing it “because you like it”? And just want to mention it here in case anyone else wants to try? Because of all this confusing misinformation that is so prevalent. People need to understand what the actual root cause of weight loss is (a calorie deficit) so they can focus on what will truly work and not waste time on things like ACV or other nonsense perpetuating their frustration or potentially causing them to give up altogether.
I hope you’re still reading along and try to take this constructive advice with an open mind. Critically vetting sources is an invaluable skill set and it’s one that people here really pride themselves on. Its our best way to battle against all this misinformation and try to really help people meet their goals.
@WinoGelato ...Best post in the thread (apologies to many other great ones). @LovelySavannah I also hope you are following along. Since you just joined in December, I don't think you've had the chance to see all the ACV claims that pop up here very regularly. The negative responses to your claims are not personal, although I'm sure they might feel that way. They are negative to the claims themselves.
There is a huge amount of education you can glean from these forums, but you also have to read and investigate claims critically. Because for every bogus ACV claim out there, there's another one for the Obesity Code, all things insulin, Intermittent Fasting is magic and so on. I personally treasure the sheer knowledge available through people here whose only investment is time. People care about others reaching their goals. To the extent that misinformation prevents that, smart people here work hard trying to correct the misinformation - with zero reward for doing so, other than the fact that they have helped somebody gain the understanding necessary to be successful. Sometimes that success changes a person's life forever. So debunking misinformation is a noble thing. And I know it sound harsh, but's it's much more noble than making somebody feel okay about believing in things that simply are not true. I hope your mind is open for such things.
And sometimes for the "reward" of having a poster ignore a person's carefully thought-out replies that they've taken the time to educate themselves about and share in favor of having their ears tickled by someone pushing nonsense.
Yes, I'm feeling a little bitter this morning! (different thread)
Because you sound like you need a laugh, here's a corgi shaking his bum.
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Silentpadna wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I see your point. I've seen everyone's point on who has replied to me. If I had known all of this was going to happen, I sure would have not said anything. Thanks for everyone's input and trust me, I won't voice my biased opinion without facts/studies ever again.
This is a lesson many people could really try to learn and I appreciate that your intentions were good and you were providing your own anecdotal experience with ACV not trying to force or even influence anyone else to follow your approach.
That said - there is a tremendous amount of misinformation prevalent about diet, weight loss, nutrition and fitness. Some of it is intentional - snake oil salespeople and others looking to profit off of passing bad or not scientifically supported methods.
Some of it is spread by people who seem like they have authority (you mentioned both a doctor and a dietician) but the thing is - many of these people are not actually as scientifically knowledgeable as their credentials suggest. Some of it is just propagated by media (traditional and social) to grab attention, headline, clicks, to generate buzz or advertising revenue.
Bottom line - there is zero scientific evidence that “detox” is a thing because there are zero toxins that are impacted by these methods that aren’t already addressed by your liver and kidneys. If someone tells you otherwise then you should be very skeptical. And you don’t need to “help” your liver and kidneys with these functions.
So why is it problematic if you’re doing it “because you like it”? And just want to mention it here in case anyone else wants to try? Because of all this confusing misinformation that is so prevalent. People need to understand what the actual root cause of weight loss is (a calorie deficit) so they can focus on what will truly work and not waste time on things like ACV or other nonsense perpetuating their frustration or potentially causing them to give up altogether.
I hope you’re still reading along and try to take this constructive advice with an open mind. Critically vetting sources is an invaluable skill set and it’s one that people here really pride themselves on. Its our best way to battle against all this misinformation and try to really help people meet their goals.
@WinoGelato ...Best post in the thread (apologies to many other great ones). @LovelySavannah I also hope you are following along. Since you just joined in December, I don't think you've had the chance to see all the ACV claims that pop up here very regularly. The negative responses to your claims are not personal, although I'm sure they might feel that way. They are negative to the claims themselves.
There is a huge amount of education you can glean from these forums, but you also have to read and investigate claims critically. Because for every bogus ACV claim out there, there's another one for the Obesity Code, all things insulin, Intermittent Fasting is magic and so on. I personally treasure the sheer knowledge available through people here whose only investment is time. People care about others reaching their goals. To the extent that misinformation prevents that, smart people here work hard trying to correct the misinformation - with zero reward for doing so, other than the fact that they have helped somebody gain the understanding necessary to be successful. Sometimes that success changes a person's life forever. So debunking misinformation is a noble thing. And I know it sound harsh, but's it's much more noble than making somebody feel okay about believing in things that simply are not true. I hope your mind is open for such things.
And sometimes for the "reward" of having a poster ignore a person's carefully thought-out replies that they've taken the time to educate themselves about and share in favor of having their ears tickled by someone pushing nonsense.
Yes, I'm feeling a little bitter this morning! (different thread)
Because you sound like you need a laugh, here's a corgi shaking his bum.
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French_Peasant wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »MichelleSilverleaf wrote: »
Especially when something tastes as nasty as ACV does. I call it the Mea Culpa Syndrome - people choke it down and then think, "Wow! I just did something good for my body!" Atonement for their previous (and usually current) dietary 'sins.'
If it tastes like crap, it *has* to be doing good stuff, right? LOL
I know I'm weird, but I actually like the stuff.
Still on the side of "does nothing magical for weight loss", though.
Yes, you *are* weird about that, but it's your only flaw so...
I *did* try it a few years ago when all of the hubbub about it first surfaced.
Happened to have a bottle in the fridge (it's one of the ingredients for a fabulous flank steak marinade I make, but I digress) so I poured myself a bit and downed it. Thought I was gonna die. To me, it tasted like pure bile in a shot glass.
The good news is I was on the verge of puking for the next few hours, so likely lost weight because I skipped lunch.
I need this recipe, please! @snickerscharlie
Here you go:
1/3 cup olive oil
2 cloves garlic, minced
2 Tbsp apple cider vinegar
1/3 cup soy sauce
1/2 cup honey
1/2 t freshly ground black pepper
The sweet and savory combination is yummy. I let it marinade at least 12 hours.
Edited to add: I use a roasted garlic olive oil, so I only use 1 clove of minced fresh garlic instead of 2.
You can also substitute red wine or balsamic vinegar for the ACV.3
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