Does anyone have any weight loss tips and fat loss tips for me please?
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LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Then why would you cite Dr Axe?
I chose that because it was the best one I could find at the moment.13 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Then why would you cite Dr Axe?
I chose that because it was the best one I could find at the moment.
I hope you can see that when you quote sources that are not credible or accurate, you do nothing for your own credibility and leave yourself open to challenges.10 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Then why would you cite Dr Axe?
I chose that because it was the best one I could find at the moment.
I hope you can see that when you quote sources that are not credible or accurate, you do nothing for your own credibility and leave yourself open to challenges.
Well you are right but I learned what I learned when I was in all of those classes and I don't have the material with me/can't share some of the material online so that makes it a little harder for me to find credible sources to back up what I remember, especially since Google is filled with articles/blogs from who knows where. I just posted a link that agreed with what I said.14 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Then why would you cite Dr Axe?
I chose that because it was the best one I could find at the moment.
I hope you can see that when you quote sources that are not credible or accurate, you do nothing for your own credibility and leave yourself open to challenges.
Well you are right but I learned what I learned when I was in all of those classes and I don't have the material with me/can't share some of the material online so that makes it a little harder for me to find credible sources to back up what I remember, especially since Google is filled with articles/blogs from who knows where. I just posted a link that agreed with what I said.
You can find credible sources on the internet easily (see my response with links to peer reviewed studies). Its not all articles and blogs out there unless your assertion is wrong and not backed by scientific evidence. In that case an article or blog is probably the best you'll get.5 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
You're both correct and incorrect. Starvation Mode does exist, but not in the context that it's talked about on diet sites. It takes several weeks/months on a starvation diet to start wreaking havoc on your internal organs. This is why many of the people found alive in concentration camps at the end of WWII could not be fed or saved. They were unable to keep food down because too much damage had already been done to their bodies and many continued to die for days/weeks after those camps were captured. They had been starved to the point that all of their fat reserves were gone and their bodies had no choice but to start shutting down both minor and major functions.
Starvation Mode as it is talked about on here doesn't exist. You don't go into starvation mode by fasting for a day. You don't start metabolizing your liver by eating under 1200 calories for a week. Etc. That's all a bunch of silliness. You could get in trouble if you decided to eat no more than 500 calories a day for a couple of months, but the MFP tools will warn you that's dangerous and I don't even think they'll allow you to set those parameters for yourself.
Basically, if anyone dieting ever gets to a point where they have to worry about TRUE starvation mode, their issues are more related to mental issues (body dysmorphia, anoerxia, etc.) than counting calories, and there's nothing those people will read on a site like MFP that will dissuade them from the course they are on. They need professional help.
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InsertFunnyUsernameHere wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
You're both correct and incorrect. Starvation Mode does exist, but not in the context that it's talked about on diet sites. It takes several weeks/months on a starvation diet to start wreaking havoc on your internal organs. This is why many of the people found alive in concentration camps at the end of WWII could not be fed or saved. They were unable to keep food down because too much damage had already been done to their bodies and many continued to die for days/weeks after those camps were captured. They had been starved to the point that all of their fat reserves were gone and their bodies had no choice but to start shutting down both minor and major functions.
Starvation Mode as it is talked about on here doesn't exist. You don't go into starvation mode by fasting for a day. You don't start metabolizing your liver by eating under 1200 calories for a week. Etc. That's all a bunch of silliness. You could get in trouble if you decided to eat no more than 500 calories a day for a couple of months, but the MFP tools will warn you that's dangerous and I don't even think they'll allow you to set those parameters for yourself.
Basically, if anyone dieting ever gets to a point where they have to worry about TRUE starvation mode, their issues are more related to mental issues (body dysmorphia, anoerxia, etc.) than counting calories, and there's nothing those people will read on a site like MFP that will dissuade them from the course they are on. They need professional help.
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I agree, thank you.3 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Then why would you cite Dr Axe?
I chose that because it was the best one I could find at the moment.
I hope you can see that when you quote sources that are not credible or accurate, you do nothing for your own credibility and leave yourself open to challenges.
Well you are right but I learned what I learned when I was in all of those classes and I don't have the material with me/can't share some of the material online so that makes it a little harder for me to find credible sources to back up what I remember, especially since Google is filled with articles/blogs from who knows where. I just posted a link that agreed with what I said.
I gave you multiple suggestions for legitimate sources. Did you not learn about or use any of these in your education?3 -
I just want to thank all the posters involved in the discussion about starvation mode and credible sources. Curiosity led me to google "starvation mode" to see what a person would find. Mixed bag, of course, but it led me to this awesome article that I will be sharing a lot:
https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/
While not a scientific study or scholarly article, it's a great layman's explanation firmly grounded in the science for those who want to know more.
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LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Then why would you cite Dr Axe?
I chose that because it was the best one I could find at the moment.
I hope you can see that when you quote sources that are not credible or accurate, you do nothing for your own credibility and leave yourself open to challenges.
Well you are right but I learned what I learned when I was in all of those classes and I don't have the material with me/can't share some of the material online so that makes it a little harder for me to find credible sources to back up what I remember, especially since Google is filled with articles/blogs from who knows where. I just posted a link that agreed with what I said.
I gave you multiple suggestions for legitimate sources. Did you not learn about or use any of these in your education?
Okay. I thought we were over with? I just said you're right and explained why I did what I did?7 -
84 hour starvation test is not long enough to damage your metabolism. The effects would be much like a fasting diet. that reset your "limtoms" This is one of the reasons the fasting diet came about. Yes if your body is been in starvation for long time you damage your organs etc. Well the so called myth go's if your body goes into starvation for a long time (eating under your BMR ) then the food you eat once out of starvation turn or stores as fat to save energy this is the body adjusting and trying to stay alive Most of the literature was from a Number of places. People have called it a myth as there had been no medical studies done due to the danger of Starvation at the same time there had been nothing proved to say it is a myth.7
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Nothing proved? Minnesota Starvation experiment ring a bell? Ethiopian famine? Concentration camp photos?
If starvation mode were a thing, nobody would die of starvation.7 -
Yes you are right.estherdragonbat wrote: »Nothing proved? Minnesota Starvation experiment ring a bell? Ethiopian famine? Concentration camp photos?
If starvation mode were a thing, nobody would die of starvation.
Yes you are Right. However i didn't say no studies had been done on this. The Doctors of the 90's who said it was a myth where saying there were no test done with the modern technology so it was called a myth. I'm not say it is or not.4 -
LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
And yet you made several more posts.
What you are doing here is called appeal to authority, in this case yourself.
If an argument is credible you have evidence to support it, not just say so and so expert ( in this case yourself) says so.
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ashleygroizard wrote: »
Any tips you’d like to share. This weight loss journey of mine is taking a very long time. I lost 20 kg in three years from 2015 then I really started trying hard to lose weight last year 2018 and I lost 19 kg since the beginning of last year up until now. I’m still overweight but nowhere near as big as I was. I’m 9 kg away from a healthy bmi and 28 kg away from where I’d love to be at the lowest healthy bmi that’s recommended for me. But I did let myself get massive so it’s understandable that it’s taking so long to lose it all. I didn’t gain the weight overnight it took years. I’m Trying to get back to 57 kg like I was from 20- 24 but it seems impossible. I’ve just started logging what I eat on my fitness pal after joining three days ago and I’ve actually been under the daily kilojoules each day what’s recommended for me to eat and drink. Do you know If I eat the recommended kilojoules my fitness pal recommends will I lose weight from following what I should be eating each day by diet alone? And also with eating the recommended kilojoules each day and doing from 270 - 630 minutes of walking each week will that help me lose weight quicker? You are right I have to be patient and my fiancé also has told me to have patience. Thank you for your kind comment I appreciate itTeabythesea_ wrote: »What kind of tips are you looking for? You've already lost a great deal of weight so its seems you're doing things right. I'd suggest continue what you're doing. As you get closer to your goal weight progress will slow down, in which case you will need to pay extra attention to your logging (use a scale if you dont already) and be patient. Congratulations on your loss thus far!
OP, I realized I got distracted by some of the incorrect comments on your thread and didn't pay enough attention to your story. You are quite amazing! If I've done the math right, you've lost a total of 85 lbs over 3 years and now are 20 lbs away from a healthy BMI (I have to frame it in pounds to understand it ). Whatever strategies you used to achieve this, you have done an outstanding job in a lasting, sustainable way. Really- congratulations!
So now you've come to MFP and seem to be getting a little confused by the science behind what you've already been achieving in practice. Most would say the last 20 lbs is the hardest because it's slower and it requires more diligence. MFP is a good tool for that, because it helps you to accurately target the deficit you need to get the job done, but you don't want it to become a distraction from what has, up until now, been a good approach for you. I would look over some of the "most helpful" posts that discuss how MFP works and how to accurately log:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300331/most-helpful-posts-getting-started-must-reads#latest
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10300319/most-helpful-posts-general-health-fitness-and-diet-must-reads#latest
Apparently you have still been losing or maintaining before coming to MFP. It wouldn't be a bad idea just to continue to eat the way you've been eating during this time for a couple of weeks while you get the hang of logging accurately. Doing so will help educate you as to how many calories you have been eating, and help you see where further (small) changes can be made to meet your new calorie allowance.
As we've already clarified, the calories MFP gives you does not include your purposeful exercise, only your normal day-to-day activities as represented by your activity level. So it's intended that you eat at least a portion of those back (calorie burn estimates are often inflated, so you may just want to do 50% for several weeks until you see how it affects your real-life results). Remember- MFP gives you estimates, but you are in possession of 3 years' worth of real-life experience, so draw on that as you make choices & draw conclusions.
Would love to hear how this goes for you, OP, so I hope you'll come back and update us. And absolutely keep asking questions
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Nothing proved? Minnesota Starvation experiment ring a bell? Ethiopian famine? Concentration camp photos?
If starvation mode were a thing, nobody would die of starvation.
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Congratulations on your amazing success! You are close to your goal. Follow a healthy food plan and be sure to consume at least 1200 calories daily. Our food is what keeps our brain, heart and all parts of our bodies, functioning properly. Check your sodium levels and keep it under 1500 mg.
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ashleygroizard wrote: »Hi I’ve lost over 40 kg and I’m trying to lose at least 15 kgs - 30kgs. I usually do a 7.9 km brisk walk that takes 90-100 minutes (1.5hours) 3-7 days per week. Does anyone have any weight loss tips and fat loss tips for me? I’d love to hear. I’m 175 cm tall and I weigh 84.9 kgs today so I’m still overweight but looking to get to 56-76kg which is a healthy bmi for me. Thank you
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LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
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LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Yeah... no. Pics or it didn't happen
I’ve just started losing weight again after starving myself for three days straight and after six days of eating and gaining weight abit each day I’ve just started burning fat again and losing weight. You were right lovelysavannah. Thank you. Would you be able to teach me some things please lovelysavannah? I was so scared I would just keep gaining and today I was shocked to have my weight going down like you said it would thank you.7 -
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ashleygroizard wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Yeah... no. Pics or it didn't happen
I’ve just started losing weight again after starving myself for three days straight and after six days of eating and gaining weight abit each day I’ve just started burning fat again and losing weight. You were right lovelysavannah. Thank you. Would you be able to teach me some things please lovelysavannah? I was so scared I would just keep gaining and today I was shocked to have my weight going down like you said it would thank you.
Oh dear... @ceiswyn meant she didn't believe @LovelySavannah went to nursing school, not that you didn't lose weight!
OP, I'm feeling bad that I put the time into your post that I did. Did you read my comment about the water weight fluctuations as you move from no food to reintroducing food? Of course your weight started going back down! You seem to not be aware that a person's body weight constantly fluctuates, primarily from swings in water weight. Things like extra sodium or carbs, our hormones, and exercise, all cause us to retain or shed water at various times. But what you're targeting in weight loss is body fat. Those numbers don't shift dramatically from day-to-day... it takes a long-term, consistent calorie deficit to lose body fat. I'm surprised you've gone all this time without learning/realizing that.
I've given you the links & info you need to help yourself... I guess I've done what I can do
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https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10634529/why-did-the-number-on-the-scale-go-up-this-week-heres-why/p1
https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/why-am-i-not-losing-weight/
Notice not one of the possible reasons is "starvation mode".6 -
ashleygroizard wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Yeah... no. Pics or it didn't happen
I’ve just started losing weight again after starving myself for three days straight and after six days of eating and gaining weight abit each day I’ve just started burning fat again and losing weight. You were right lovelysavannah. Thank you. Would you be able to teach me some things please lovelysavannah? I was so scared I would just keep gaining and today I was shocked to have my weight going down like you said it would thank you.
Don't get hung up on the daily changes on your scale. They do not reflect actual fat loss on a day to day basis. Your body is mostly water and your weight is constantly in a state of flux due to small increases or decreases in the amount of water in your body. Those changes are all due to normal functions of the human body and you can't control them. You will see these changes as small movements on your scale (i.e. your weight may suddenly go up 1kg or down 1kg from morning to evening), but they don't reflect your actual fat loss. This is why people advise not to weigh yourself daily... weighing yourself weekly (if you stick to your calorie goals) is going to be a more accurate way to track your fat loss (i.e. real weight loss).0 -
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OP, did you get ALL of that?1
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LovelySavannah wrote: »Teabythesea_ wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Two years of anatomy and physiology and you think ACV helps your body remove toxins and starvation mode exists? Yikes.
If you haven't noticed, both of those concepts are myths/debates therefore there are two sides of it.
This is fundamentally untrue. Just because there is a "debate" doesn't make both sides legitimate. We can debate about all sorts of things that aren't real, and just because one person believes something, doesn't make it real.
Science is what is real, and the scientific, peer-reviewed studies say that starvation mode (as you are using it) does not exist.10 -
I just want to thank all the posters involved in the discussion about starvation mode and credible sources. Curiosity led me to google "starvation mode" to see what a person would find. Mixed bag, of course, but it led me to this awesome article that I will be sharing a lot:
https://www.aworkoutroutine.com/starvation-mode/
While not a scientific study or scholarly article, it's a great layman's explanation firmly grounded in the science for those who want to know more.
Terrific link and worth the read, thanks.3 -
InsertFunnyUsernameHere wrote: »ashleygroizard wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Yeah... no. Pics or it didn't happen
I’ve just started losing weight again after starving myself for three days straight and after six days of eating and gaining weight abit each day I’ve just started burning fat again and losing weight. You were right lovelysavannah. Thank you. Would you be able to teach me some things please lovelysavannah? I was so scared I would just keep gaining and today I was shocked to have my weight going down like you said it would thank you.
Don't get hung up on the daily changes on your scale. They do not reflect actual fat loss on a day to day basis. Your body is mostly water and your weight is constantly in a state of flux due to small increases or decreases in the amount of water in your body. Those changes are all due to normal functions of the human body and you can't control them. You will see these changes as small movements on your scale (i.e. your weight may suddenly go up 1kg or down 1kg from morning to evening), but they don't reflect your actual fat loss. This is why people advise not to weigh yourself daily... weighing yourself weekly (if you stick to your calorie goals) is going to be a more accurate way to track your fat loss (i.e. real weight loss).
It's fine if a person wants to weigh weekly as opposed to daily, but they are still subject to the same fluctuations and may hit a particularly "high" day for them. So no one weigh-in tells the tale... only the trend over many weeks.3 -
InsertFunnyUsernameHere wrote: »ashleygroizard wrote: »LovelySavannah wrote: »I would stand up for my point and explain my history of taking 2 years of anatomy and physiology for nursing school (while also keeping high grades and had honors) and how I trained to be a dietitian for the Air Force so I'm not completely clueless when it comes to knowing about the body, but I don't care anymore and isn't worth it.
Yeah... no. Pics or it didn't happen
I’ve just started losing weight again after starving myself for three days straight and after six days of eating and gaining weight abit each day I’ve just started burning fat again and losing weight. You were right lovelysavannah. Thank you. Would you be able to teach me some things please lovelysavannah? I was so scared I would just keep gaining and today I was shocked to have my weight going down like you said it would thank you.
Don't get hung up on the daily changes on your scale. They do not reflect actual fat loss on a day to day basis. Your body is mostly water and your weight is constantly in a state of flux due to small increases or decreases in the amount of water in your body. Those changes are all due to normal functions of the human body and you can't control them. You will see these changes as small movements on your scale (i.e. your weight may suddenly go up 1kg or down 1kg from morning to evening), but they don't reflect your actual fat loss. This is why people advise not to weigh yourself daily... weighing yourself weekly (if you stick to your calorie goals) is going to be a more accurate way to track your fat loss (i.e. real weight loss).
It's fine if a person wants to weigh weekly as opposed to daily, but they are still subject to the same fluctuations and may hit a particularly "high" day for them. So no one weigh-in tells the tale... only the trend over many weeks.
A great argument for weighing more frequently and using a trending app.1
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