Intermittent fasting
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I love bacon 🤣🤣🤣3
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I am aware that scientific studies can skew in either direction in many cases but for those in doubt about the research done on IF, there is an explanation why a calories are not as important as we are lead to believe when it comes to principles behind fasting. On the diet that advised 6 small meals a day, or regular diet friendly meals and a couple of snacks, the principle behind fasting explains that each meal with carb content raises your insulin. Thus with snacks and/or mini-meals, you are keeping insulin in play. This is why fasting is recommended to diabetics or pre-diabetics and has been very effective. The proponents will explain that in early times we did not have grocery stores on every corner. Primitive man was used to a feast or famine existance. When food was scarce you went hungry. When you killed a large mammal, fat and protein was available. The science is not solid yet (and we all know how science gets revised over time, ie: baby on back, baby on stomach, yada yada) but if you research 'autophagy' and check out some information on IF, you will see where the science is coming from. There are differing opinions on when autophagy actually takes effect however the claim is that you can heal your illnesses, shrink the loose skin you acquire with normal dieting and lengthen your telemeres, thereby essentially slowing the aging process and healing the body. There are several TED talks on the subject and many doctors on youtube and elsewhere that can explain the science behind the theory. It does make sense actually, but I do use the word theory, because the science is like all science; subject to continued research.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28715993
https://idmprogram.com/
Lots of info in the links on the above website (also Dr. Berg on youtube explains using lots of 'science'.
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This is a good podcast on why the calorie in/calorie out method doesn't work for everyone and why fasting can resolve the problem and make it easier to lose and maintain weight loss in the long term. https://obesitycodepodcast.com/listen/9
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This is a good podcast on why the calorie in/calorie out method doesn't work for everyone and why fasting can resolve the problem and make it easier to lose and maintain weight loss in the long term. https://obesitycodepodcast.com/listen/
calorie in vs calorie out is a energy equation and it applies to ALL ways of eating. so if it doesnt work for someone then their calories in are either more than their calories out, or they are the same. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26571283
also its very easy to overeat doing fasting and gaining weigh as well. Ive been doing IF for over 3 decades and I have gained weight(became obese) fasting, I have lost weight(eating less than I burn) and I have maintained(eating the same amount I burn). the only way fasting works for weight loss is IF it puts that person into an calorie(energy) deficit.5 -
For all my peers that are questioning what I eat here it is. I eat about 1,500 calories a day. I do intermittent fast one day a week and possibly a second day later in the week if I feel like it. Before judging me, yes I do eat bacon for breakfast pretty much every day. If I fasting I do not eat again till breakfast the next morning. The intermittent fasting was started at the suggestion of my dr due to the fact it increases insulin sensitivity in type 2 diabetics. I work in healthcare and I’m lucky enough to work with my dr. I get feedback on my condition everyday. She keeps track of my progress and is amazed! I started as a class 3 morbidly obese woman and in 112 days I am only 18 pounds from being just “overweight” besides the fact I no longer have palpitations or have to take my diabetes medication. You know what else she recommended? Lifting heavy things. So I toured gyms and chose a lifting program and started it. The bottom line is if I’m hungry I eat, if not I don’t.
Hi Wren. I didn't think you could fast when you are diabetic. So this worked for you? I'd like to try IF but I am diabetic and (type 2) and need to lose weight but don't want to have issues with sugar spikes and lows if I''m not eating.
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »This is a good podcast on why the calorie in/calorie out method doesn't work for everyone and why fasting can resolve the problem and make it easier to lose and maintain weight loss in the long term. https://obesitycodepodcast.com/listen/
calorie in vs calorie out is a energy equation and it applies to ALL ways of eating. so if it doesnt work for someone then their calories in are either more than their calories out, or they are the same. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26571283
also its very easy to overeat doing fasting and gaining weigh as well. Ive been doing IF for over 3 decades and I have gained weight(became obese) fasting, I have lost weight(eating less than I burn) and I have maintained(eating the same amount I burn). the only way fasting works for weight loss is IF it puts that person into an calorie(energy) deficit.
Watch this youtube video. Start at 8 minutes in and you'll skip a lot of preamble. Not saying you're wrong but just showing some current studies. Also don't know how legit Jason Fung is re: his theories but his argument for "The Calorie Deception" is also below. If you've done it for 3 years, then you have found what is true for you. I'm just trying it as a newbie because I've done the yoyo thing for many years since I gained weight with chemo, so I've been doing the research and then I'll see if it works for me. Note: I'm adding a space before the com so there won't be gigantic pictures of the videos embedded in my post. Can't figure out how to prevent it otherwise. A bit abnoxious, lol)
(8 minutes in for the conclusion study found on PubMed)
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=8z5AlFPWEJA
(Jason Fung, 'The Calorie Deception')
https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=5F5o0a4p_3U
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fung has been debunked by many and I have been fasting more than 30 years not 3. and even times when I wasnt fasting and yes there were times. it made no difference in my health or anything else weight loss wasnt any different(providing the calories were the same). as long as Im eating in a deficit I lose weight whether IM fasting,not fasting,when I did keto(bad for me) or any other way of eating.
fasting works for me because Im not a breakfast eater and never really was. the meal timing of IF works for me. like I said I have gained,lost and maintained fasting. same with not fasting. I have several health issues and IF made no difference in those things. as for watching the video no thanks as I see fung is associated with it and again has been debunked and proven to be false3 -
My take away from Dr. Fung and others with intermittent fasting is that they claim it is easier to not regain the weight if you get your insulin under control (get rid of insulin resistance) by using the fasting method. As far as debunking Fung, I don't know since I've only started to listen to the info on IF, but what I do know is I don't trust a lot of the health information we are given, especially if it comes from mainstream media sources. Our entire economy in the US is so heavily pharmaceutical and medically driven that it really doesn't behoove those behind the curtain to make us all healthy. The USA is terrible when it comes to allowing toxins and suspected cancer causing chemicals into our food supply. Several ingredients that have been allowed to remain in our food supply that have been banned in many other countries is really shameful. One ingredient (I read recently, but I forget which one) that has been banned in most countries but not here, China allows 50 ppb, whereas we allow 75 ppb. Worse than China! So at my age (64.5) I have to work very hard to lose weight but worse than that is I have a very easy time gaining it back. So I'm giving IF a try to see if it works for me. The PubMed citation in the youtube video seemed to hold some weight. (no pun intended)
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My take away from Dr. Fung and others with intermittent fasting is that they claim it is easier to not regain the weight if you get your insulin under control (get rid of insulin resistance) by using the fasting method. As far as debunking Fung, I don't know since I've only started to listen to the info on IF, but what I do know is I don't trust a lot of the health information we are given, especially if it comes from mainstream media sources. Our entire economy in the US is so heavily pharmaceutical and medically driven that it really doesn't behoove those behind the curtain to make us all healthy. The USA is terrible when it comes to allowing toxins and suspected cancer causing chemicals into our food supply. Several ingredients that have been allowed to remain in our food supply that have been banned in many other countries is really shameful. One ingredient (I read recently, but I forget which one) that has been banned in most countries but not here, China allows 50 ppb, whereas we allow 75 ppb. Worse than China! So at my age (64.5) I have to work very hard to lose weight but worse than that is I have a very easy time gaining it back. So I'm giving IF a try to see if it works for me. The PubMed citation in the youtube video seemed to hold some weight. (no pun intended)
fasting doesnt make the weight loss any easier unless it helps you to stick to a calorie deficit. as for insulin and getting it under control and making it easier not to gain the weight back? no you can prevent gaining the weight back by not going back to old habits and not overeating. it really has nothing to do with insulin. insulin is a normal body response and for some of course it can be unhealthy BUT, for someone like me who does not have IR or never has had it,I still gained weight eating too many calories while fasting.
It doesnt make the weight loss any easier, it can help with those with insulin issues(such as type 2) help regulate their insulin while they are fasting, but it has nothing to do with weight loss, now for them it may help with their hunger cues and fasting for them can help prevent being as hungry compared to if they werent fasting. but its not going to be that way for everyone. I know for me that if I dont weigh everything I eat I end up eating more than I think and that can slow down my weight loss or stop it completely. That may be what you are facing. There are studies and scientific proof out there that proves that IF in and of itself good for weight loss. what is is a calorie deficit. do a search on here there are many posts with links to these studies and others you may find helpful.4 -
Thanks, CBeansMom, I have been doing research. Lots of articles, TED talks etc. that support IF so I'm giving it a try. Easier for me for the last few weeks so maybe easier to stick with in the long run.3
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Thanks, CBeansMom, I have been doing research. Lots of articles, TED talks etc. that support IF so I'm giving it a try. Easier for me for the last few weeks so maybe easier to stick with in the long run.
well I will wish you luck with it and maybe it will be easier for you to stick with. for me it just comes naturally and has since I was a kid. so who knows.3 -
This is how I got some of the last bit of weight off. I can't go to bed hungry so I would eat at like 6, 7 pm.1
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Ok CharlieBeansmomTracey, we get it. It doesn't work for everyone. It's a tool that helps some, but not you. May we move on now please?
I've done a little IF in the past and it worked well, so I think I'll give it a go again. My work schedule has settled down some so I think it'll help me out with my consumption management. Wish me luck, and great job everyone!5 -
Started my journey on January 7th at 306...I slowly removed carbs from my diet during the first 2 weeks. I found Keto and IF and decided to try Keto 2-3 meals a day for the 3/4 week. The scale wasn’t moving as fast as I expected. During the last 3 weeks I implemented IF 22/2 or OMAD most days. The scale started moving much faster (.5-1 lb a day). Energy has increased, not hungry, life isn’t revolving around food and I feel amazing! Currently 23 lbs down......my only complaint is that my stomach is smaller and I can’t eat much (never thought that would actually be a concern 😂). My goal is to loose 100 lbs by December. Non scale victories......I’ve lost inches (size 22 to a size 18). Not bad for 7 weeks!12
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Reminder to recent posters, we have an intermittent fasting group here at MFP. Why don’t you join us? Would like to cheer you on in your IF journey in a woo-free group environment. If you join, I’ll personally greet you at the front door.5
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I've been obese what it seems like MY ENTIRE LIFE! I even had lap band work done, LOST 100 Pounds and gained it ALLLL back. Keto and IF have helped me lose 50 pounds in 5-6 months and I couldn't be any happier that I found this. I feel in control of what I eat now, maybe fasting itself isn't enough but the fact that I no longer feel controlled by food is more than enough for me.
Dr. Eric Berg on YouTube helps!
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thesource.com/2018/11/21/fasting-for-72-hours-can-reset-your-entire-immune-system/
Of course this article above is about cancer patients trying to recover from chemo damage and not weight loss but it covers how IF works for humans in fairly simple terms. The name that was quoted in the piece of Longo is Valter Longo, PhD the author of The Longevity Diet using the Fasting Mimicking Diet (FMD). One can do a 5 day water fast or do FMD for 5 days eating 800 calories each day and get the same health recovery potential as the water only diet version. I did it last week using my own Way Of Eating and not the ready made kit you can get through a doctor after I read the book. The main thing I did was just left out protein for 5 days to trigger new stem cell generation and the refeed phase is to help them develop and renew your immune system as is claimed for FMD.
The first half of the book is general info and the second half is to health care providers. I will try to post a review of the book so you do not have to spend $19 for the hardbound book. I got it to see his 30 years of work on the subject of longevity and the graphs and charts of the FMD trails with mice and humans. I have since ordered 3 more copies for healthcare providers since it has the clinical proof that supports IF as being valid for more than weight loss.
https://penguin.co.uk/articles/2018/longevity-diet/ He grew up in rural Italy and you can pick that up in the WOE that he promotes.
This FMD review with personal results below may be better than reading the book if you are not looking for the broad testing from labs in US and Germany. I will call the below a must read if interested in IF at any level.
https://quantifiedbob.com/fasting-mimicking-diet/
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Dr. Rhonda Patrick’s YouTube channel includes several videos where she interviews Professor Longo. Discussion about his work and findings is clearly a topic that’ll generate woo clicks here at MFP.
Good for you creating your own FMD kit and saving $250.0 -
mrschwarten wrote: »Ok CharlieBeansmomTracey, we get it. It doesn't work for everyone. It's a tool that helps some, but not you. May we move on now please?
I've done a little IF in the past and it worked well, so I think I'll give it a go again. My work schedule has settled down some so I think it'll help me out with my consumption management. Wish me luck, and great job everyone!
Well....considering that post was almost 2 weeks ago, I think it looks like everyone moved on.1 -
I have lost 16 pounds since January 1 doing the 5:2 IF. Not too hard especially when you start having success. It seems like it is really getting rid of my love handles. Even Paleo didn't do that for me.4
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jrowden0711 wrote: »I am in love with IF. I have successfully lost 75ish lbs and continue to lose/maintain. I usually do a 16/8 fast, but am a nurse so on days I work it may vary a bit depending on when I am able to sneak away to eat. IF has helped me realize food is not the most important thing in life and has given me my life back. I am so incredibly thankful for that. As of right now, I have zero intentions of ever stopping IF.
good for you girlfriend!2 -
sarahwardy1971 wrote: »I love bacon 🤣🤣🤣
Bacon for President!!!1 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »fung has been debunked by many and I have been fasting more than 30 years not 3. and even times when I wasnt fasting and yes there were times. it made no difference in my health or anything else weight loss wasnt any different(providing the calories were the same). as long as Im eating in a deficit I lose weight whether IM fasting,not fasting,when I did keto(bad for me) or any other way of eating.
fasting works for me because Im not a breakfast eater and never really was. the meal timing of IF works for me. like I said I have gained,lost and maintained fasting. same with not fasting. I have several health issues and IF made no difference in those things. as for watching the video no thanks as I see fung is associated with it and again has been debunked and proven to be false
What does Fung teach basically about Intermittent Fasting? I thought he was Pro Fasting....my little mind is confuuused0 -
Dumb questions:
Does fasting include anything with calories? Or does it mean eliminating all solid foods?
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If I only drink a keto shake, is that considered fasting or no?1 -
Dumb questions:
Does fasting include anything with calories? Or does it mean eliminating all solid foods?
A more specific example-
If I only drink a keto shake, is that considered fasting or no?
No - that would be a fat fast but not a true fast - a true fast means eliminating all calories.1 -
That’s awesome! I’m doing IF too. It really works not to mention lowering my blood pressure too. I’ve lost 5lbs in 5 days. Keep it up! Great job!0
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@120poundstogo, we have an Intermittent Fasting group here at MFP. Find it and stop by. Hope to see you there.1
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I just started Keto & IF
March 15th finishing day 3
Trying to do 20:4
Somedays might be 18:6
I want to lose 50 pounds.
I want to feel better! Have energy!
Get rid of my edema & inflammation!!!
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@lorywthay43, wishing you the best in your exploration of IF. Stop by and visit our Intermittent Fasting group here at MFP. Several there are doing IF feeding windows you’re considering. I have a journal there that I post daily. A lot of helpful IF-enthused practitioners who would love to be a resource to you.
Hope to see you soon.2 -
I am very interested in IF and am looking to start - BUT - my usual lunch break is 12:30 or 1pm. Do I need to start with a meal or could I start with a high protein snack at 11?1
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