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ppgallini
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Keto diet= good or bad
ppgallini
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I’m doing it for 2nd time right now. First did it for 2 months bf I got married 2 yrs ago. Lost 10 pds and I was not totally strict. First year of marriage and I gained 12 pds. In Jan 2019, I started back logging food and exercising 5 x per week consistently and keeping to a strict 1200 diet. I have doing my measurements and weighing in every Friday. In 3 months I only lost 4 pds and the scale just keeps going up and down the same few pounds. I got so fed up last week I decided to go back on Keto and be strict with it. It’s been only 5 days but I’ve lost a lot of water weight ( don’t know how much yet as I weigh in tomm). Carbs hold water so when you stop eating them your body let’s go of all the water. Anyway, after months of perfect eating and being active to only see minimal movement on the scale was frustrating. I’m close to menopause and feel this is why I’m having so much trouble. I believe Keto definitely helps when you have metabolism issues or other conditions. You have to understand it though. It’s no joke of a diet. But works great!
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Going from no deficit (which if you weren't really losing was you) to a deficit often causes significant (water) weight loss in the first week, and keto in particular causes a water weight drop.
Bold is a myth, eating more fat might keep you more full. Just like eating starchy carbs keeps me the most full doesn't translate to everyone being the same.
Have a look at lists of top ten satiating foods and your will see all macros represented but the most typical characteristics are high volume/weight and low energy density - two things fat lacks.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7498104
SI = Satiety Index
"RESULTS:
There were significant differences in satiety both within and between the six food categories. The highest SI score was produced by boiled potatoes (323 +/- 51%) which was seven-fold higher than the lowest SI score of the croissant (47 +/- 17%). Most foods (76%) had an SI score greater than or equal to white bread. The amount of energy eaten immediately after 120 min correlated negatively with the mean satiety AUC responses (r = -0.37, P < 0.05, n = 43) thereby supporting the subjective satiety ratings. SI scores correlated positively with the serving weight of the foods (r = 0.66, P < 0.001, n = 38) and negatively with palatability ratings (r = -0.64, P < 0.001, n = 38). Protein, fibre, and water contents of the test foods correlated positively with SI scores (r = 0.37, P < 0.05, n = 38; r = 0.46, P < 0.01; and r = 0.64, P < 0.001; respectively) whereas fat content was negatively associated (r = -0.43, P < 0.01).
I've been at this whole process for 2,251 days now. 5 days is nothing in the scheme of things. Many people fail to maintain their weight loss after 2 years, most fail by the 5 year mark.
It really is weird at first, imo. Lol.
I drink something similar to it. It's a treat. Added fats are usually not needed and may end up displacing protein. I think it us often best not to force fat. Jmo.
Plenty of people lose weight successfully with keto, not necessarily because it's the best WOE for every human being, but because it's a WOE that works for the individual and helps them stay within their calorie goals.
If that works for you, great! If not, there are many other options out there and to me, the "trick" is for each of us to find a WOE that fits our lifestyle, that we can stick to long-term, and that helps us meet our goals and not continually yo-yo back and forth.
Technically "keto" is any intake in nutrients that puts you in a state of ketosis. Which is pretty hard to do sometimes with carbohydrates. As far as I'm concerned, through my experience and personal research, being in ketosis or even having more metabolic flexibility is probably the most optimal way of being for 90% of humans.
I am a firm believer that if something smells too good to be true it often is. I do hope you have found your way to better health. Many of your claims can be ascribed to weight loss which would not require ketosis or low carb. When you carry around 85 extra pounds it makes everything more difficult and it is very hard on your body.
Other than the smell thing, which is odd, that all sounds normal and common for people who need to and lose 85 lbs.
If you had a lot to lose or are a big guy, 85 in 9 months isn't that surprising either -- although great job!
Point is that there are lots of ways people do that besides keto. Keto may have been the easiest way for you, but for many of us it wouldn't be, or we tend to eat healthier diets not doing keto. So once again, keto is neither good nor bad. It's a way of eating that works well for some people, but likely not most people.
On the other hand, I have been Keto for about 2 years now and I love it. I have PCOS and insulin resistance so its something that works for me personally, when other clean eating habits didn't work. Its not necessarily for weight loss, although it will definitely help with that especially if one has trouble with binge eating or overeating. It helps a lot for diabetics (both 1 & 2) and insulin/sugar levels, dizzy spells, and hypoglycemic systems.
I haven't lost much weight on it, but it absolutely helps in not gaining weight if one is injured or cannot exercise as strenuously as needed to maintain weight, which is harder with any kind of metabolic syndromes. It also helps with inflammation, as keeping blood insulin and sugar low and stable, helps with inflammation markers. Anything that metabolizes as sugar, even healthy carbs and fruit can increase inflammation markers.
I would almost agree. However, I have indeed lost weight before on many number of diets. Cutting out all processed foods and eating "healthy" with some sucess. But, in the long run ended up not sticking and almost none of these effects except for the weight lose. This is the case for the majority of people following any sort of glucose based diet. There are more studies now confirming low/no carb diets are proving to be optimal for many reasons, not just weight lose. More so than the science of our current paradigm. Also, though most of the science is new, it is also more accurate. There are absolutely no essential carbohydrates. There may be a small group of people who do not need or find a benefit from the lifestyle. But, that portion is very small in context of the entire human population. Again, not for everyone. But, a very powerful tool for your tool belt.
I agree that it may not be for everyone. With that said. There are many factors that come into play when trying to optimize yourself in any way. Emotions, habits, cravings, schedules, social cues, medical problems, etc. If we take the weight lose aspect out of it right, and only focus on what happens to our bodies when we are using minimal glucose, then there isn't any evidence left that we need any sort of carbohydrates for any reason. There are no essential carbohydrates. If a person wants their body ran on the dependency to eat what and when they want for any reason other than optimization, then so be it. But, again. Through the research I've done, fueling the human body on fat and ketones seems to be optimal for the majority of the human population in almost every aspect.
I didn't stick with a lot of other diets in the past either. Because I didn't lose as much weight I didn't reap the benefits of feeling so much better.
There is no science that supports the benefits of keto outside of certain neurological problems. There is no reason to believe that carbs need to be low enough for ketosis for the satiation benefits either. For all you know you could have been eating 90 carbs a day (still technically low carb) and yielded all the same results.
Also, there are people with food allergies and difficulties with fat or protein so your comment about there being no essential carbohydrates may be considered a little insensitive.