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Keto diet= good or bad
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I have lost 90 lbs with keto in 18 months; currently I've been stalled for about 8 months and can't seem to get the scale moving again. HOWEVER, I have also reversed my T2 diabetes and have been able to stop all 3 of my meds; I've normalized my blood pressure and have been able to stop meds; I've lowered my cholesterol. I've CURED my decades long IBS/recurrent diverticulitis problems. I have ZERO inflammation in my body anymore and haven't been sick (not even a cold) for 2 years. I'd say keto is very, very good.
You can't cure diverticulitis. You can have remission of symptoms but it can still flare at any point. The only way to eliminate diverticulitis is a colon resection.
Way to go to minimise the achievement !8 -
OooohToast wrote: »I have lost 90 lbs with keto in 18 months; currently I've been stalled for about 8 months and can't seem to get the scale moving again. HOWEVER, I have also reversed my T2 diabetes and have been able to stop all 3 of my meds; I've normalized my blood pressure and have been able to stop meds; I've lowered my cholesterol. I've CURED my decades long IBS/recurrent diverticulitis problems. I have ZERO inflammation in my body anymore and haven't been sick (not even a cold) for 2 years. I'd say keto is very, very good.
You can't cure diverticulitis. You can have remission of symptoms but it can still flare at any point. The only way to eliminate diverticulitis is a colon resection.
Way to go to minimise the achievement !
It's not minimizing anything. If you, or your family, has actually gone through bouts of diverticulitis or understands the disease, you would know that what was said is incorrect.
My wife was hospitalized countless times and had the surgery. No amount of Keto would eliminate that possibility.16 -
Any "diet" = bad. Long term healthier life style = good.1
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OooohToast wrote: »I have lost 90 lbs with keto in 18 months; currently I've been stalled for about 8 months and can't seem to get the scale moving again. HOWEVER, I have also reversed my T2 diabetes and have been able to stop all 3 of my meds; I've normalized my blood pressure and have been able to stop meds; I've lowered my cholesterol. I've CURED my decades long IBS/recurrent diverticulitis problems. I have ZERO inflammation in my body anymore and haven't been sick (not even a cold) for 2 years. I'd say keto is very, very good.
You can't cure diverticulitis. You can have remission of symptoms but it can still flare at any point. The only way to eliminate diverticulitis is a colon resection.
Way to go to minimise the achievement !
It's not minimizing anything. If you, or your family, has actually gone through bouts of diverticulitis or understands the disease, you would know that what was said is incorrect.
My wife was hospitalized countless times and had the surgery. No amount of Keto would eliminate that possibility.
I understand and I agree. My husband suffered several years with diverticulitis before his death. There was no diet that helped on a continual basis. Too much fiber...not enough fiber...too much fat...not enough fat...too much meat...not enough meat. There was always a balancing act. No matter what he ate he still suffered. He too was hospitalized several times and was scheduled for surgery a week after his death. Believe me...if there had of been a miracle cure by diet alone we would have done it as I am sure that you and your wife would. No one wants to go through a colostomy.8 -
OooohToast wrote: »I have lost 90 lbs with keto in 18 months; currently I've been stalled for about 8 months and can't seem to get the scale moving again. HOWEVER, I have also reversed my T2 diabetes and have been able to stop all 3 of my meds; I've normalized my blood pressure and have been able to stop meds; I've lowered my cholesterol. I've CURED my decades long IBS/recurrent diverticulitis problems. I have ZERO inflammation in my body anymore and haven't been sick (not even a cold) for 2 years. I'd say keto is very, very good.
You can't cure diverticulitis. You can have remission of symptoms but it can still flare at any point. The only way to eliminate diverticulitis is a colon resection.
Way to go to minimise the achievement !
If you research diets for diverticulitis you will see that even the medical profession can not come up with any one diet. Some will say fiber others will say no fiber. It is a "kitten" shoot as to what works. Most often none of it works. Any food can collect in a pouch of your colon and cause unbearable pain. With my husband no matter what he ate it ran straight through him. No one is minimizing anyone's achievement. IMO saying that to just eat keto and you will be cured is minimizing what these people go through.
I don't mean to be argumentative but I watched my husband suffer for a long time with this disease. No only did he suffer but so did our family...my son only remembers his dad being in pain.12 -
https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
Hate to break it to you, but the US military has been evaluating diets for decades. They are always looking to improve performance.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
Hate to break it to you, but the US military has been evaluating diets for decades. They are always looking to improve performance.
Cool! After all of these decades it sounds like Keto human trials are going well performance wise and the keto anti obesity side effect is just a bonus for fitness to be ready to go to war.18 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
Hate to break it to you, but the US military has been evaluating diets for decades. They are always looking to improve performance.
Cool! After all of these decades it sounds like Keto human trials are going well performance wise and the keto anti obesity side effect is just a bonus for fitness to be ready to go to war.
The bold is non sense.
Trials doesn't mean it can or will be implemented. There are ethical and legal issues with trying to force a diet on solders. And while early indications suggest there may be a benefit for divers, how it effects other solders hasn't been explored. Considering the performance impacts shown in many other areas of fitness, it's unlikely that it will be recommended across the board.15 -
Maybe somebody suggested looking into keto because they took Bulletproof Coffee a bit too literally.GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
Hate to break it to you, but the US military has been evaluating diets for decades. They are always looking to improve performance.
Cool! After all of these decades it sounds like Keto human trials are going well performance wise and the keto anti obesity side effect is just a bonus for fitness to be ready to go to war.
The bold is non sense.
Trials doesn't mean it can or will be implemented. There are ethical and legal issues with trying to force a diet on solders. And while early indications suggest there may be a benefit for divers, how it effects other solders hasn't been explored. Considering the performance impacts shown in many other areas of fitness, it's unlikely that it will be recommended across the board.
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Does this surprise you? He claims a lot of things with little to no evidence to back up those claims.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
What are “jock types”?3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
What are “jock types”?
Mesomorphs who are very colloquial, but still mythical.
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WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
What are “jock types”?
Mesomorphs who are very colloquial, but still mythical.
Large Unicorn studs.
ETA: wonky spacing3 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
What are “jock types”?
You may be waiting a long time for clarity on that one.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
What are “jock types”?
My bad. I should have typed perhaps Navy Seal types.3 -
@GaleHawkins any time you want to explain the "keto anti obesity side effect" I am ready. Please don't hide from me and or ignore me. IMO that is an extremely irresponsible claim to throw out there. Explain yourself...5 -
You posted about this before and it was shot down before. A keto diet is being evaluated for Navy SEALS due to the possibility that it may prevent potential seizures under water, and possibly allow them to stay submerged a bit longer.GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://wfla.com/community/health/doctors-look-into-keto-diet-based-treatment-for-troops/
Long term testing seems to indicate the jock types may find keto helpful when trying to defend the USA.
Hate to break it to you, but the US military has been evaluating diets for decades. They are always looking to improve performance.
Cool! After all of these decades it sounds like Keto human trials are going well performance wise and the keto anti obesity side effect is just a bonus for fitness to be ready to go to war.
That is the primary driver behind the studies, your own link says so. There is nothing anywhere that states the diet is being evaluated for *All troops. That would be ridiculous and self defeating.
That said, as an ex member of our armed services with multi branch service I can tell you the military is tasked with evaluating a mind numbing number of diets/tactics/equipment/strategies across an extremely wide range of environments and situations.
Key word: Evaluate. Evaluate =/= Implement
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@GaleHawkins any time you want to explain the "keto anti obesity side effect" I am ready. Please don't hide from me and or ignore me. IMO that is an extremely irresponsible claim to throw out there. Explain yourself...
Quoted for emphasis. I would like to see that....evidence as well.2 -
@GaleHawkins any time you want to explain the "keto anti obesity side effect" I am ready. Please don't hide from me and or ignore me. IMO that is an extremely irresponsible claim to throw out there. Explain yourself...
The subject is Keto diet=good or bad.
As you know I did not do Keto hoping for weight loss back in Oct 2014 but to manage my 40 years of pain related to my Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis by cutting out all added sweeteners and any form of any grain while going heavy on coconut oil because I did not want to start Enbrel injections for health reasons.
While the pain management was underway in a couple weeks it was nearly two months in before the anti obesity side of Keto kicked in for me personally and has enabled me to maintain the 50 pound weight loss started back in 2014 for over 4 years now with no thoughts to calories but just watching my source of calories to this day. Although the weight loss was not my objective I am thankful in my case that anti obesity side effect of was there and after over 4 years I have not regained any of my 50 pound weight loss.
Thanks to my Keto way of eating for nearly 5 years I no longer need help getting out of vehicles or use mobility carts. It turns out making these changes is enabling me to do for others now which does take away time from the web so no one is hiding from you.
Suddenly the two taking care of 8 horses, 9 large dogs and who knows how many cats no longer were able to do it due to a job out of town and a broken hip requiring 6 weeks of bed to bath and back of bed rest. The same day of the fall in the horse lot one of the dogs came up with a broken leg needing personal time to keep the cast dry in rainy weather.
Thankfully after near 5 years of Keto while I still have major limitations from the AS I can move better than in many years because there has been a slight bit of reversing of joint fusion along with good pain management. Yes scooping poop, feeding, putting out hay is a chore but unlike 5 years ago it is doable today at the age of 68.
The article mentioned the military interest in combating obesity with the Keto Way Of Eat so I had just assumed all MFP readers was aware Keto is one tool that works from some to become non obese and to stay that way.
From my personal experiences since Oct 2014 I still say Keto diet=good.
Others seem to be in agreement about the keto way positive side effects.
The 43+ health benefits of ketogenic dieting (in addition to weight loss)
https://ketoschool.com/the-43-health-benefits-of-ketogenic-dieting-in-addition-to-weight-loss-1e4ee4743f1f
A cancer researcher who's been keto for 6 years thinks our modern diets are an 'axis of illness' — here's what he eats instead
https://businessinsider.com/keto-diet-foods-what-cancer-researcher-eats-2019-7
Please note the keto side effects both positive and negative seem to vary from person to person.13 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »
@GaleHawkins any time you want to explain the "keto anti obesity side effect" I am ready. Please don't hide from me and or ignore me. IMO that is an extremely irresponsible claim to throw out there. Explain yourself...
The subject is Keto diet=good or bad.
As you know I did not do Keto hoping for weight loss back in Oct 2014 but to manage my 40 years of pain related to my Ankylosing Spondylitis form of arthritis by cutting out all added sweeteners and any form of any grain while going heavy on coconut oil because I did not want to start Enbrel injections for health reasons.
While the pain management was underway in a couple weeks it was nearly two months in before the anti obesity side of Keto kicked in for me personally and has enabled me to maintain the 50 pound weight loss started back in 2014 for over 4 years now with no thoughts to calories but just watching my source of calories to this day. Although the weight loss was not my objective I am thankful in my case that anti obesity side effect of was there and after over 4 years I have not regained any of my 50 pound weight loss.
Thanks to my Keto way of eating for nearly 5 years I no longer need help getting out of vehicles or use mobility carts. It turns out making these changes is enabling me to do for others now which does take away time from the web so no one is hiding from you.
Suddenly the two taking care of 8 horses, 9 large dogs and who knows how many cats no longer were able to do it due to a job out of town and a broken hip requiring 6 weeks of bed to bath and back of bed rest. The same day of the fall in the horse lot one of the dogs came up with a broken leg needing personal time to keep the cast dry in rainy weather.
Thankfully after near 5 years of Keto while I still have major limitations from the AS I can move better than in many years because there has been a slight bit of reversing of joint fusion along with good pain management. Yes scooping poop, feeding, putting out hay is a chore but unlike 5 years ago it is doable today at the age of 68.
The article mentioned the military interest in combating obesity with the Keto Way Of Eat so I had just assumed all MFP readers was aware Keto is one tool that works from some to become non obese and to stay that way.
From my personal experiences since Oct 2014 I still say Keto diet=good.
Others seem to be in agreement about the keto way positive side effects.
The 43+ health benefits of ketogenic dieting (in addition to weight loss)
https://ketoschool.com/the-43-health-benefits-of-ketogenic-dieting-in-addition-to-weight-loss-1e4ee4743f1f
A cancer researcher who's been keto for 6 years thinks our modern diets are an 'axis of illness' — here's what he eats instead
https://businessinsider.com/keto-diet-foods-what-cancer-researcher-eats-2019-7
Please note the keto side effects both positive and negative seem to vary from person to person.
I am aware of the subject. I am asking you to address a comment you made about an “anti-obesity side effect of keto”.
I’ll wait...
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I question whether keto is healthy. If someone is extremely overweight there are other serious health concerns that need to be corrected making keto an excellent option. However carbs are needed by the brain for maintaining and adding new synapses. Carbs also help improve our moods. Many decades ago I tried Atkins and lost a ton of weight.
Today my focus is on calorie count and eating low added sugar food. Eating low added sugar has kept my appetite in check. I feel great. It means I eat fruit and other foods with naturally occurring sugar. I believe I am protecting my brain. In fact my carb count is low but reasonable. I am losing weight fairly quickly. With my appetite in check I will be able to make this a lifestyle change.4 -
Formula for losing weight healthily:
1/3 carbs, 1/3 fat, 1/3 protein
Determine baseline calories to maintain weight
Subtract 500-1000 calories per day to create calorie deficit
Exercise regularly
Eliminate processed foods and sugar
*Carbs aren't off limits if you stick to whole grains/oats/rice. Stay far away from simple carbs aka sugar and processed food like bread.
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Another positive side effect of the Keto Way Of Eating for some.
https://ketogenicliving101.com/blog/2018/10/23/the-keto-diet-and-protecting-your-eyesight
The Keto Diet And Protecting Your Eyesight
"The Ketogenic Diet has many health benefits, But did you know it can help protect your eyesight? High in fat, low on protein and carbohydrates can help protect the vision of those with glaucoma.
Higher rates of glaucoma in people with diabetes suggests a potential connection between this eye disease and metabolic stress. The findings led by Denise Inman from the Northeast Ohio Medical University in the US showed that low carb, high fat diet protects retina cells and their connections to the brain from degeneration....."13 -
The more meat and fat you eat the less antioxidants you intake through fruit and veggies. Your choice, but I eat vegan as much as I can, but that's what works for me.8
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Another positive side effect of the Keto Way Of Eating for some.
https://ketogenicliving101.com/blog/2018/10/23/the-keto-diet-and-protecting-your-eyesight
The Keto Diet And Protecting Your Eyesight
"The Ketogenic Diet has many health benefits, But did you know it can help protect your eyesight? High in fat, low on protein and carbohydrates can help protect the vision of those with glaucoma.
Higher rates of glaucoma in people with diabetes suggests a potential connection between this eye disease and metabolic stress. The findings led by Denise Inman from the Northeast Ohio Medical University in the US showed that low carb, high fat diet protects retina cells and their connections to the brain from degeneration....."
Study please. Not some keto blog post...
Sill waiting for your explanation of the "anti-obesity side effect" of keto...9 -
Permanently. Too tired to keep wading in to clean up when the discussion around this topic veers into community guideline violation-land.7
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