JUST GIVE ME 10 DAYS ~ ROUND 73

R73: SW 210.8 lb GW 206.8 lb (Additional goals: Lower body fat, increase muscle mass)

Day/Weight/Comment

04/03- 210.8 lb (BF 26.2%, MM 30.5%)
04/04- 208.6 lb (BF 25.9%, MM 30.7%)
04/05- 208.6 lb (BF 25.9%, MM 30.7%) Post-checkout snack + drinks. Back on track, today!
04/06- 207.5 lb (BF 25.9%, MM 30.7%) Back on track!!
04/07- 208.1 lb (BF 25.9%, MM 30.7%) Stress-induced alcohol + food binge last night after MFP check-out
04/08- 207.7 lb (BF 25.7%, MM 30.8%)
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End of Round 72 Weight: 165.6

4/3: 164.4
4/4: 163.8
4/5: 163.0
4/6: 163.0
4/7: 165.8
4/8: 166.4

Female, 31 years old, 5’1”
MFP SW: 172.6 lbs 12/1/18
TWL since joined MFP as of RW 72 end: 19.7 lbs
UGW: 120 lbs

Goals for Round 73 (9th Round)
Round weight for round 73 151.x
Take spin class 3x a week
Try Yoga for the first time (was hoping to try it last round, but didn't get around to it
Chart out meals in advance throughout the round
Drink 100 oz of water

Day/Weight/Comment
04/03 153.3
04/04 153.2, need to be better about tracking food. I am good for breakfast and lunch and then at night I forget to log and weigh.
04/05 152.6, back at my lowest weight. Hope to be able to stay in the 152s through Monday.
04/06 153.3, back up but know it was from lasagna and caeser salad yesterday. Sodium was much higher than usual, but will make sure to be at 100 oz today of water and hopefully will be back down by Monday
04/07 153, ate well yesterday and exercised for 70 minutes on amt machine. Going to a basketball game tonight so weight might be more tomorrow, but going to enjoy the game!
04/08 152.8, feeling confident I can end this round in a loss. I know I might see an uptick over the next couple of days for some of my choices yesterday, but had a such a great time last night!
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Figuring out how to do this in maintenance! Bare with me.

Goal range: 133-138
Goal trend: t = 135.5

Goals
80,000 steps (avg 8k/ day)
300 minutes of yoga (avg 30 min/ day)
Jog 5k twice
Jog 1 mile twice

On Saturday 4/13 I have my first 5k fun run in 5 years!

Day/Weight/Comment

04/03 133.8 t = 133.9
1725 cal in; 2129 cal out
9.7K steps ✔️
35 min of yoga ✔️
It's not supposed to rain today, so I hope to run a mile after my Dr.'s appt. Lots to do today!

04/04 133.8 t = 133.9
1930 cal in; 2213 cal out
11.2K steps ✔️
29 min of yoga ✔️
1 mile run ✔️
Yesterday was great for activity, but I had a hard time eating all my calories. I think I want to stay in a ~200 calorie deficit Monday-Friday to give me more wiggle room on the weekend.
NSV after taking my blood pressure my Dr. remarked, "that's better than mine!"

04/05 133.4 t = 133.8
1682 cals in; 2048 cals out
9k steps ✔️
38 min of yoga ✔️
1 mile run ✔️
By the time I got home from work yesterday at 6:30 I was so tired that I was asleep by 7:30. So I didn't eat enough calories but I did get 9 1/2 hours of sleep!
I'm going to a wine etiquette event for young professionals tonight. I am really looking forward to it and having the wiggle room to enjoy the wine and food. I just have to remind myself it takes 3,500 excess calories to put on a pound of fat. So I have no need to worry every time I go to an event that I'm going to blow myself out of maintenance. If the rain stops early I'll go for a jog before I head out for the night

04/06 134 t = ?
1744 cals in; 1801 cals out
Steps = ?
24 min of yoga
Yesterday I forgot to put my fitbit back on so no step data. And this morning I couldn't weigh first thing, as I was sleeping over at a friend's house. So the weight I posted is after a big breakfast sandwich and 3 cups of coffee. I'm surprised it's not more but I think I'm pretty dehydrated, so I'll probably see a jump tomorrow 😂. Either way I didn't put it in my trend line app because I don't want to distort the data, so no trend today. Onward and upward!

04/07 133.8 t = ?
??? cals in; 2111 cals out
Steps =9.9k ✔️
30 min of yoga ✔️
Still no trend data as I didn't sleep at home again last night and that weight is from just now (4:00pm! So again I didn't put it in my app). I cannot believe my weight is this low, but the scale has fresh batteries. And yesterday was crazy food-wise, that's why I didn't even log, although I plan on doing so later today just to keep my streak going. After the big breakfast sandwich I had steak and potatoes for lunch-dinner, then at the movies I had a whole box of junior mints, then when I got home I had a brownie sundae. I guess this is what maintenance feels like. Stable weight, with insane food variances. Today I have eaten very little which I think also contributes. It's so nice to be in a place of not having to insane in my food control and allowing for the space to enjoy life.
I feel really grateful for this group. If it wasn't for JGM10D, I wouldn't have had the courage to weigh myself today and this could have turned into a *screw it* day, where I just eat every thing. But this group not only keeps me accountable, it got me in the habit of reading the forums daily which led me to reading how the long time maintainers orient their lives.

04/08 132.2 t = 133.2
1576 cals in; 1714 cals out
4.3k steps
no run no yoga
Time to get back on track with my goals for this round!

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Round 73 (my 5th round)

I got a little sloppy last round and it showed in a lower weight loss than previous rounds. I want to nip in the bud a few bad habits that I’ve begun to fall back into so that I stay on track with my weight loss.

My goals this round:
Water!
Cut the sodium.
Tighten up my log
Weigh my food and not eyeball it

OSW: 382
RSW: 347.2
UGW: 160

04/03 346.2 Well that’s a nice start to the round. My nsv yesterday was a long walk outside. I managed 2100 steps in a single walk and will be working towards doing it twice a day by the end of the month.

04/04 347 Bounce, water retention from a late quick dinner because I forgot to plug in my crockpot. I also took my walk late. I’m sure it will drop again.

04/05 345 There’s that big drop I knew was coming. I knew it had to be and hopefully I’ll see a few more small drops this round.

04/06 345.8 Another late dinner, low water, higher sodium day.

04/07 344.4 I’m beginning to get used to this up down trend that I seem to have. Though I admit that I like the down so much better than the up. I tried moving my breakfast to a brunch and cutting out lunch yesterday. I ended up with a headache all day so I’m not sure I’ll try it again soon.

04/08. 342 I thought I would continue down, but not by this much. I expect that I’ll see a bounce back up in a day or two. If not then maybe this is all the water weight finally going. I guess I’ll see what tomorrow brings.

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R72 SW: 213.4 EW: 210.9 AW: 212.0 (-0.4)

Day/Weight/Comment
04/03--211.6 Great workout with trainer yesterday. Yoga tonight. I'm also supposed to go out and do a 2 mile run, but there is rain in the forecast and I hate running on a treadmill...whether I go out for a run will be a last minute decision.
04/04--211.4 Rain held out yesterday so I was able to go out for a run. Worked out with trainer tonight.
04/05--211.2 About 1 year ago my husband promised to take dance lessons with me. For the past year he has tried to get out of his promise, but I recently found an intro 4 week dance class that I thought would be perfect for us because it's only 4 weeks and we get to learn a different dance every week. My husband agreed to take the class and tonight is our first lesson...we'll see how it goes.
04/06--210.7 Well last night's dance lesson was great. My husband was chewing at his lip for about the first 15 minutes of lesson, it was definitely out of his comfort zone, but he did loosen up. At one point I even heard him tell a woman who had rotated as his new partner that she had much warmer hands than his wife. Last night's lesson was the rumba and he did promise that he would practice during the week. It was nice to go out and do something different. Went out for a 3 mile run today.
04/07--211.2 Weightlifting at gym today. In-laws came over today and we went out for lunch. I chose something to fit in my calories, but ate some extra snacks while they were over at our house so I expect it to show up on the scale tomorrow. Going to drink some more water today.
04/08--211.6 I don't think I'm out of the woods yet with the scale after yesterday's eating, but I'm back on track today. Run tonight...hopefully it won't be raining.
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Hi everyone, I am back for another round. So I am still floating around the low 150's, still waiting for that whoosh to get me into the elusive 140's. This round ends on a Friday and only has 1 weekend in it, so it should go well. No out of town events or anything crazy happening the next couple of weeks, so would love to get some real progress done in the next 10 days, but we will see. Ended the last round at 150.4, my body loves the 150's so much it doesn't want to let go for anything, lol. My goal this round is 149 anything, same as the last 2 rounds. Good luck everyone, glad to see that you are all coming back!


04/03 - 149.6 yyyeeeaahhh!!! I finally made it back here. It has taken some work though. Did well yesterday, did have an alcoholic drink once I got home last night, but other than that no bread and no sweets. Now just to continue to stay in this decade and not go back up. I officially only have 9.6 pounds left to lose. I am in single digits, lol.

04/04 - 148.8 What in the **** is going on. I can't believe I had another drop. I hit 150 something on 3/13 and could not budge from that number. Now I have had 2 nice drops on the scale in 2 days. I'm taking it and hoping to stay the course. I have officially lost 30 pounds as of today. I started trying to lose weight in July of 2018 and it has taken me a little longer than I thought it would. My initial time frame was 5 - 6 months to lose the whole 40 pounds I wanted to lose. 9 months and 30 pounds later I am still not at goal weight, but I am getting closer. Pretty much my average monthly weight loss is just over 3 pounds instead of the 6-8 I was striving for. Oh well, I finally made it to the 30 pound mark, so I am going to pat my self on the back and keep trucking. It's so funny because last week I was so frustrated and overwhelmed with the lack of progress I almost gave up. I'm glad I didn't and kept pushing my self. Somebody posted a couple of weeks ago that they actually weighed what their drivers license said they did, so I looked at mine. Well I put 150, which was obviously not the truth, but I actually weigh less than that now. No alcohol, bread, or sweets yesterday and staying on plan for today. My hubby and I do have date night with another couple planned, but I said I would drive (that way I have the perfect excuse not to drink any extra calories tonight). I love a good beer or cocktail on date night, but I will sacrifice the next couple of weeks to get where I want to be.

04/05 - 148.1 Didn't lose anything for weeks and in 3 days I lose 2 pounds. I am definitely expecting an uptick pretty soon. I only ate about 600-700 calories yesterday. I was slammed at work all day so only ate about 400 calories during the day and then by the time I got home, fed the family, did homework with kids, and then got ready myself, I was out of time. I grabbed a piece of grilled chicken I had cooked and a couple of bites of the mac and cheese and we left. Since I was driving I only drank ice tea at the bar and chose not to get any of the appetizers even though I was still kind of hungry. Normally I would have easily ate and drank a 1000 if not more calories last night, so I'm happy that I stayed the course. The play was good that we went to see and I had fun with our friends and my hubby, so all in all it was a great date night. Busy weekend scheduled like always, so hopefully I can stay on track and not gain to much for Mondays weigh in.

04/06 - 148.8 up a bit. Had some wings from hooters last night, but also a huge salad as my main course. So I’ll take the couple of ounces. 2nd oldest and middle child have prom tonight. So pictures and getting ready for that will be on the schedule for tonight. So far so good with my eating. Off to do shopping and errands. Hopefully will see another 140 something tomorrow.

04/07 - 150.3 expected! Texas Roadhouse for dinner last. So good! Just trying to stay on track today and maybe go down a couple ounces by tomorrow.

04/08 - 152.8 uuuggghh! Normal weekend bump. It will be gone in a day or 2. I know it's all sodium from eating out. We hardly ever eat out during the work week, but my weekends are so crazy, we just grab and go half the time. Yesterday was within maintenance calories, but we did not eat dinner till 8:30 (Wendy's) and then I went to bed around 9:30. Had to help middle child and her friends with a rube goldberg project that was suppose to take an hour. 6 hours later we were finally finished and hungry. On track today with lots of water and meals planned!

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SW: 177.6
GW: 149
Round 73 Goal: 170
Height: 5'2

04/03 177.6 Started Keto 4/2. Kind of bombed today, but I will put it behind me. Hoping to get some decent sleep tonight.
04/04 175.9 Whoa. I wasn't expecting that!
04/05 175.5 need to get back to exercising
04/06 174.6 I will take it!Still no exercising
04/07 173.5 The moment I let go of stress, the scale rewards me!
04/08 174.3 I expected a little bit of a gain since I didn’t track food or exercise
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Goal is to lose 2lbs
SW 142.8
GW 140.8

Day/Weight/Comment
04/03 - 142.8 - dropped a pound already but I guess today was the official start so that’s where I’m starting.
04/04 - 142.5 - dropped .3 in a day, not too bad, that would be 3lbs by the end of this if I can keep it up.
04/05 - 141.6 - dropped .9 maybe going a little too fast. Didn’t quite reach my calorie goal yesterday but one day doesn’t hurt. I’ll try to be closer today.
04/06 - 142.4 - gained .8, i knew yesterday was a bit too fast but also had sweets yesterday and ate a little later than normal. It was a stressful day as well BUT its ok because today will be better and tomorrows weight will be less.
04/07 - 142.2 - small loss and more reasonable/expected results. I’ll take it. I also added in some Yoga yesterday previously I was just focused on eating right because have been on doc restriction from exercise but now I can add in yoga and I am so excited. I absolutely love Yoga. Yesterday’s practice was amazing.
04/08 - 142 - small consistent losses, I’ll take it. I have to remember I’m weighing daily. I’m used to weekly weight drops. Yoga was amazing!

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WTG MarisaMSimmon!

Are we supposed to set goals for the 10 days? Been an MFPer for quite some time..not so much a part of the community. Tryin to change that!

First Round - 73
Shari out in North OC, CA
50 Years Young
5'6"

4/3 199.2
4/4 198.8 -0.4
4/5 197.8 -1
4/6 196.4 -1.4 - Hockey Game - Watched Kings beat the Golden Knights! Woot Woot! Only had 2 ounces of Absolute Raspberry over ice and some peanuts. So so proud of myself.
4/7 197.6 1.2 - Didn't drink my dinner smoothie and my body held on for dear life with the little calories it was given. But after Monday Smoothie Cleanse will be done and took 2 hours to meal plan next week's breakfast, lunch and dinner. Promptly went shopping so that's what's in the house to cook now. Guess I'm walkin the talk this time around!
4/8 196.6 -1 - Last day of the green smoothie cleanse and feeling good. Will do measurements tomorrow. Gotta get some new runnin shoes because my knee is screaming at me after my Week 2, Day 3 C25K yesterday. Can't be injured! Friend says need shoes!
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Healthywage bet started 3/31 @ 202.8 to lose 50 lbs in 6 months/27 weeks
Week 1 -5.2

I'M DOING THIS!

Round 73
OW 230

Round 46 SW 178 EW 172.6 (-5.4) 👍
Round 47 SW 172.6 EW 170.8 (-1.8)👎
Round 48 SW 170.8 EW 168 (-2.8)👍
Round 49 SW 168 EW 166.8 (-1.2) 👎
Round 50 SW 166.8 EW 163.6 (-3.2) 👍
Round 51 SW 163.6 EW 161.4 (-2.2)👎
Round 52 SW 161.4 EW 157.8 (-3.6)👍
Round 53 SW 157.8 EW 156.2 (-1.6)👎
Round 54 SW 156.2 EW 155.8 (-.04) 👎
Round 55 SW 155.8 EW 151.2 (-4.6) 😄😁👍
Round 56 SW 151.2 EW 149.8 (-1.4) 👍
Round 57 SW 149.8 EW 148.2 (-1.6) 👎
Round 58 SW 148.2 EW 147.2 (-1) 👎
Round 59 SW 147.2 EW 146.2 (-1) 👍
Round 60 SW 146.2 EW 145.2 (-1) 👍
Round 61 SW 145.2 EW 142.4 (-2.8) 👍
Round 62 SW 142.4 EW 142.4 (0) 👎
Round 63 SW 142.4 EW 146.6 (+4.4) 👎 my first gain since joining 🎄
Round 64 SW 146.6 EW 142.8 (-3.8) 👍
Round 65 SW 142.8 EW 141.8 (-1) 👎
Round 66 SW 141.8 EW 140.8 (-1)👍
Round 67 SW 140.8 EW 141.2 (+0.2) 👎
Round 68 SW 141.2 EW 139.8 (-1.4) 👍
Round 69 Sw 139.8 Ew 138.6 (-1.2) 👎
Round 70 SW 138.6 ew 138.8 (+.2) 👎
Round 71 SW 138.8 Ew 138.4 (-.4) 👎
Round 72 SW 138.4 EW 138.2 (-.2) 👎

Round 28
SW 138.2
GW 136
UGW 125

04/03138 feeling slightly bloated but I will take the small loss

04/04 138.6 weighed after eating

04/05 137.6 sloooooowwwwllllyyy

04/06 137.4

04/07 no scale

04/08139.4 I am going to have to work harder on the weekends to stick to it because obviously this yo-yoing sucks

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4/3 156.5
4/4 155.5
4/5 154.5
4/6 no weigh in
4/7 no weigh in
4/8 158.2
4/9
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Goal 153

OH snap my indulgent weekend was too indulgent. Possible I am retaining from salt so we will see what tomorrow brings 😕 I am back to it today though!!

Male - 5' 10" - 52 years old \ Original Start Weight 182 lbs in May 2016 \ Goal Weight 165 lbs

Late Start - February 2nd - 168 lbs End of Round - February 7th - 168.8 lbs
Round 31 - My 2nd Round
Start Round - 02/07 - 168.8 End of Round - 02/16 - 167
Round 39 - My 10th Round
Start Round 4/28 - 167.6 End Round 5/07 - 169.4
Round 49 - My 20th Round
Start Round 8/06 - 170.2 End Round 8/15 - 170.2
Round 59 - My 30th Round
Start Round 11/14 - 170.0 Traveling 16th - 21st End Round 11/23 - 174.0
Round 60 - My 31st Round
Start Round 11/24 - 174.2 End Round 12/03 - 173.8
Round 61 - My 32nd Round
Start Round 12/04 - 172.0 End Round 12/13 - 173.0
Deleted some of my history to shorten this page
Round 62 - My 33rd Round
Start Round 12/14 - 172.4 End Round 12/23 - 172.0
Round 63 - My 34th Round
Start Round 12/24 - 172.2 End round 01/02 - 174.6
Round 64 - My 35th Round
Start Round 01/03 - 174.6 End Round 01/12 - 171.8
Round 65 - My 36th Round
Start Round 01/13 - 171.6 End Round 01/22 - 173.0
Round 66 - My 37th Round
Start Round 01/23 - 173.6 End Round 02/01 - 171.8
Round 67 - My 38th Round
Start Round 02/02 - 171.6 End Round 02/11 - 173.0
Round 68 - My 39th Round
Start Round 02/12 - 171.0 End Round 02/21 - 174.6
Round 69 - My 40th Round
Start Round 02/22 - 172.8 End Round 03/03 - 172.2
Round 70 - My 41st Round
Start Round 03/04 - 172.0 End Round 03/13 - 171.0
Round 71 - My 42nd Round
Start Round 03/14 - 171.6 End Round 03/23 - 172.0
Round 72 - My 43rd Round
Start Round 03/24 - 171.6 04/02 - 172.2

Round 73 - My 44th Round
Day/Weight/Comment
04/03 - 172.8 15 minutes in the garden and 30 on the treadmill yesterday
04/04
04/05 - 174.0
04/06 - 172.8
04/07 - 172.6
04/08 - 173.4 Walked 60 minutes last night
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JGM10D ~|~ Round 73
Making a new start for this round. Posting weight and comments each evening.
My aim for 2019 is to reach 155.
I am FOCUSED on heathy food choices and DETERMINED to achieve my goals!
Daily Goals
Round 73 ~|~ End Goal: < 166
We 03/04: 165.8: Goals: ✅ Busy day, but managed to fit my exercise in early
Th 04/04: 165.4: Goals: ✅ 'Free' day today, so worked on decluttering my craft room.
Fri 05/04: 166.0: Goals: ✅ Final Boditrax assessment this afternoon. Good progress made. Reduced metabolic age to 62, increased muscle mass, reduced fat mass, so I am very happy. All my stats were improved.
Sa 06/04: 166.3: Goals: ✅ granddaughter is home for a long weekend so we took advantage of the gorgeous spring weather to have a family day out. Lots of walking. Restaurant lunch, but made healthy choices, and drank lots of water to combat sodium.
Su 07/04: 166.4: Goals: ✅ Felt out of sorts today, despite sensible choices at the restaurant yesterday.
Mo 08/04: 165.8: Goals: ✅ Great day today. Unexpected after the weekend, but a nice little whoosh this morning. It will probably bounce back up tomorrow.
Tu 09/04: xxx Goals:
We 10/04: xxx Goals:
Th 11/04: xxx Goals:
Fri 12/04: xxx Goals:
THERE ARE NO QUICK FIXES OR SHORTCUTS to achieving permanent change.
REMINDERS One or two thoughts which might give heart to some of you. Stick with the process. It DOES work! But it does take time, effort, and most of all, patience!

OSW 199 (June 15 2018)
Female, 5' 4 1/2 " age 53

Hi. My name is Trina. I've been mostly in since round 54, with a break for travel to NYC, appendicitis, and spring break. We spent spring break in Utah, day hiking in the national parks and logged 60 miles over 8 days. On vacation, I ate protein for breakfast, a reasonable lunch, a bit of gorp while hiking, corn chips after hiking (for the salt) and a large but protein & veggie heavy dinner. I didn't log, but mostly paid attention to what I ate. Happy to say that all the hiking meant I still ended up with a bit of a loss. I have about 10 pounds left to my current ultimate goal weight. Still hoping to get a bit leaner! We can do this!!!




OSW 199 (June 15 2018)
R54 Pre-challenge start weight 177 R66 SW 155 EW 151 (-4.0)
R67 SW 151 EW 150 (-1.0)
R68 SW 150 EW 146 (-4.0) Appendicitis!
R69 SW 146 EW 145.5 (-0.5 Didn't really participate for this round)
R70 SW 145.5 EW 145 (-0.5)
R71 SW 145 EW 143
R72 SW 143 EW 140.5 (Out of town for the round hiking in the Utah National parks!)
R73 SW 140.5 EW ?????



MINI GOALS
1/31 149 -- (149 first time on 1/30...but bouncing Goal Met 2/3! )
2/28 145 -- Healthy BMI...I believe. But some of the calculators say 140 or 143 Goal Met 3/4! )
3/15 141.5 (0.5 lbs below my weight watchers lifetime member weight, pretty much haven't weighed this, since I achieved lifetime status 11 years ago! )
3/31 141 Goal Met 4/1!
4/30 137
5/31 135
6/30 133
7/31 131 -- Final goal weight (Maintain 128-133)


Goals--
Carbs < 40-
Steps/day > 12000
Exercise/walk 6 of 7 days/week

CW 140.5
RGW 139

Day/Weight/Comment
04/03 140 Happy start to the round. I think I may be losing a bit of water weight from extra carbs over the Utah hiking trip!
04/04 139 Easy walk through the neighborhood with my mom yesterday. We went four miles, had to keep her moving after all the Utah hiking!
04/05 138.5 Took a fast four mile walk followed by a 5 mile walk with friends. Drank lots of water.
04/06 139.5 Good during the day, but had pizza and a brownie for dinner (salad, too). NSV--only ate one slice of pizza!
04/07 139.5 Off with my son and his team at a Destination Imagination contest all day yesterday. Eggs for breakfast, and eggs in a burrito for lunch. But the chocolate was calling me, and I indulged in a few mini- resees' peanut butter cups and mini kit-kats, and chocolate chip cookies squares. Salads and a brownie for dinner. Off to a better day today. Teddy's team did fantastic though and won the competition! Now to see if we can get support to compete at the next level!

04/08 139 Forgot to put my fitbit on yesterday...but was probably low on steps anyway! NSVs -- stopped at the store to buy some clothes. The small tops fit!! I had mostly got rid of my XL shirts and was wearing L, small was a surprise. I'm not really sure if the fact that a size 4 pair of jeans fits, means that you should buy it.....but they were only $8.99, so what the heck! I'm a bit suspicious, honestly, of some of those smaller pant sizes! And at zumba today, I actually thought I looked pretty good in the mirror! Thanks for letting me share. Have a happy day everyone!
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R73 SW 140.5 EW ????