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Keto diet= good or bad
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So there's this....I ran my DNA data through foundmyfitness.com and it specifically said that a ketogenic diet would be unhealthy and not work for my genotype. Also, people with the FTO cluster of genes have an increased appetite, slower metabolism and a higher risk for things like diabetes when they are on a diet high in saturated fats. They need unsaturated fat and polyunsaturated fats, especially from fish to dial down the epigenetic expression of the FTO genes ("obesity" genes). Ketogenic diets often rely on a lot of saturated fats, and proponents of the diet argue that saturated fats being bad for you is a myth. Well, yes and no. They probably are okay for people without the FTO genes, but they are horrible for people with them. It's a greater percentage of the population than you'd think....I've heard as much as 44%, depending on ethnicity.17
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/matching-dna-to-a-diet-does-not-work/
https://www.livescience.com/61807-do-dna-diets-work.html
Looks like there isn't much of substance to DNA testing for dieting.15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
I see this thread is heading to woo land perhaps but here is a thought from the world of medicine on Keto good vs bad for those serious about the question. There seems to be no one answer since we are not all the same on the inside for one reason or another.
Actually, human beings have really little genetic variation compared with a lot of other species...5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
I see this thread is heading to woo land perhaps but here is a thought from the world of medicine on Keto good vs bad for those serious about the question. There seems to be no one answer since we are not all the same on the inside for one reason or another.
Actually, human beings have really little genetic variation compared with a lot of other species...
True. It is genetic make up of our gut microbiome numbered in the trillions so our genetic make up is not mainly human. The make up of the macros that make up the way we eat impacts the make up of the human gut microbiome.15 -
Keto diets as well as other diets can really help shep weight. The problem which arises is when the diet is over. Trying to go back to eating regularly causes many people to regain weight. It seems more sensible to eat a balanced regular diet, reduce caloric intake, and be mindful of portion sizes. In my humble opinion.4
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mitch22098 wrote: »Keto diets as well as other diets can really help shep weight. The problem which arises is when the diet is over. Trying to go back to eating regularly causes many people to regain weight. It seems more sensible to eat a balanced regular diet, reduce caloric intake, and be mindful of portion sizes. In my humble opinion.
Why stop keto?
I have been Keto going on 5 years eating the same amount . Lost 50 pounds first year and maintained last 4 years.
I did not do Keto to lose weight but to fix health issues causing obesity in the first place .15 -
mitch22098 wrote: »Keto diets as well as other diets can really help shep weight. The problem which arises is when the diet is over. Trying to go back to eating regularly causes many people to regain weight. It seems more sensible to eat a balanced regular diet, reduce caloric intake, and be mindful of portion sizes. In my humble opinion.
People who succeed long term on keto generally do it as a lifestyle change, not a temporary diet. Really any success on a diet is driven by that. So choose one you can do for life...6 -
Keto has been fantastic for me but. Shrug.3
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GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
I see this thread is heading to woo land perhaps but here is a thought from the world of medicine on Keto good vs bad for those serious about the question. There seems to be no one answer since we are not all the same on the inside for one reason or another.
Actually, human beings have really little genetic variation compared with a lot of other species...
True. It is genetic make up of our gut microbiome numbered in the trillions so our genetic make up is not mainly human. The make up of the macros that make up the way we eat impacts the make up of the human gut microbiome.
Actually, the main determiner of the makeup of the gut microbiome is exposure to a range of bacteria. There's a fair bit of evidence that people who spend a lot of time outdoors tend to have more varied gut bacteria and generally better health. (Though the extent to which the latter results from the former is unclear; there are a lot of confounding factors there)7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://health.harvard.edu/blog/ketogenic-diet-is-the-ultimate-low-carb-diet-good-for-you-2017072712089
I see this thread is heading to woo land perhaps but here is a thought from the world of medicine on Keto good vs bad for those serious about the question. There seems to be no one answer since we are not all the same on the inside for one reason or another.
Actually, human beings have really little genetic variation compared with a lot of other species...
True. It is genetic make up of our gut microbiome numbered in the trillions so our genetic make up is not mainly human. The make up of the macros that make up the way we eat impacts the make up of the human gut microbiome.
Actually, the main determiner of the makeup of the gut microbiome is exposure to a range of bacteria. There's a fair bit of evidence that people who spend a lot of time outdoors tend to have more varied gut bacteria and generally better health. (Though the extent to which the latter results from the former is unclear; there are a lot of confounding factors there)
So true that the main determiner of the makeup of the gut microbiome is exposure to range of bacteria. Naturally the outdoors is loaded with all types of bacteria and aids getting it into our gut. Eating picnics outdoors, drinking out of streams, eating wild fruit with our bacteria covered hands can give us access to a broader range of bacteria for our gut. Eating tomatoes, melons, turnips as we gather them is another source of ingested bacteria. Then there is the major different source of bacteria that is airborne that we get to breath when outdoors.
The research article below points out 7 factors influencing the human gut microbiome. I see Berberine usage got a shout out for modulating the gut microbiota in addressing Type 2 Diabetes.
https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5483960/
Factors Influencing the Gut Microbiota, Inflammation, and Type 2 Diabetes7 -
sammidelvecchio wrote: »
I do drift out of ketosis for 36-48 hours a few times a month when I do carb refeeds without any major issues. However I do notice a bit of flareup in my lower back and hips due to arthritis and my lower back being fused.
I've always wondered if I was crazy when I began associating high carb intake with arthritis flares. I have other things that cause them too, but no one ever took me seriously. I've used "carb conscious" eating since December and I have found it has helped my arthritis significantly.
Ive only got to have a couple of days of eating bread and my knees feel crippled.5 -
Keep in mind, the keto diet is only good for short term. It is not a long term diet, aka lifestyle. The brain needs about 130 g of carbohydrate, minimum! Everything in moderation. Trying different kinds of carbohydrates such as sweet potatoes or quinoa might help. This is an extreme diet, so when you come off it, the body does not know what to do when other foods are introduced, therefor gaining all the weight back. Need to find what works, typically having 30% calories being carbs, and then 35% for protein and fat. I find that I function well with less carbs because I am insulin sensitive, but I still need to eat so I can rebuild muscles ect. Of course the keto diet works, not saying it does not, however, the aftermath is more serious. Need crucial vitamins and minerals from vegetables and other foods that you may not be able to eat during the diet. Keep in mind that everything in moderation. Listen to the body and keep finding what works optimally for the body!17
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sararejnok wrote: »Keep in mind, the keto diet is only good for short term. It is not a long term diet, aka lifestyle. The brain needs about 130 g of carbohydrate, minimum! Everything in moderation. Trying different kinds of carbohydrates such as sweet potatoes or quinoa might help. This is an extreme diet, so when you come off it, the body does not know what to do when other foods are introduced, therefor gaining all the weight back. Need to find what works, typically having 30% calories being carbs, and then 35% for protein and fat. I find that I function well with less carbs because I am insulin sensitive, but I still need to eat so I can rebuild muscles ect. Of course the keto diet works, not saying it does not, however, the aftermath is more serious. Need crucial vitamins and minerals from vegetables and other foods that you may not be able to eat during the diet. Keep in mind that everything in moderation. Listen to the body and keep finding what works optimally for the body!
So much nope in one post... sigh.
Yes the brain prefers glucose (not carbs but glucose) for energy, but you do not need to consume the glucose for it to be available. There are biological processes to convert fat into glucose, plus, the brain can get around 65% of it's energy from ketones (the energy source the body creates from fat).
The body doesn't magically forget how to process other foods... that is not what causes people to regain weight when they come off any diet. What causes the weight gain is that people most often revert to the eating habits that got them fat in the first place. If your body cannot process something that you eat, it just goes straight thru you - it does not get stored as fat.
You should look up nutrient values in the USDA food database - animal sources have almost as many of the vitamins and minerals that the body needs and they are usually more bio-available than those that are in plants.6 -
sararejnok wrote: »This is an extreme diet, so when you come off it, the body does not know what to do when other foods are introduced, therefor gaining all the weight back.
If this were true, our species would be extinct by now...
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sararejnok wrote: »This is an extreme diet, so when you come off it, the body does not know what to do when other foods are introduced, therefor gaining all the weight back.
If this were true, our species would be extinct by now...
It always cracks me up when people post something about how confused our bodies get by certain deviations in eating or behavior. When it comes to the processes in our body, there is no thinking involved, therefore there can be no confusion. The idea that our bodies don't know what to do when other foods are introduced is laughable. So if a person has never had carrotts in their life, and suddenly at the age of 30 they try one, are they suddenly going to gain weight? However do babies survive their infancy when they are constantly being introduced to new foods?
I can't stand when outrageous claims are made about keto that suggest that a person will lose weight regardless of caloric intake, but it is just as bad when people are ignorant on the other side as well. Keto may be sustainable for some people, and for those who try it and reintroduce carbs, there is no guarantee that they will suddenly gain all the weight they have lost back(other than some water weight initially, but water weight and fat are two completely different things). Thats why the question about good or bad is impossible to answer. Its a great tool for some people to stay within a caloric deficit, and it is not so good for others(me included). It is the spread of woo on both sides that makes this whole issue cloudy and gets people worked up when the facts are pretty simple. For weight loss, a caloric deficit is necessary. Keto helps some people adhere to a caloric deficit which is why it works for them. For those who are unable to adhere to, or sustain a caloric deficit with keto then its not for them.20 -
sararejnok wrote: »This is an extreme diet, so when you come off it, the body does not know what to do when other foods are introduced, therefor gaining all the weight back.
If this were true, our species would be extinct by now...
The only thing that is even potentially credible is that a person on keto will often get diet induced insulin resistance where the body can take time to adapt back to consuming carbs. Now with that said, I am not sure if there is a ton of research on this topic, but I have seen a little discussing the topic.
If it has validity, it would make binging on carbs while on keto even worse.1 -
I simply can’t do what I do (that which lights my fire exercise wise) on a Keto diet.
So no... for me, Keto = bad
I don’t think You find many hardcore cyclists (folks that race, or train like they race and are truly dedicated to the craft - not just using it for “cardio”) doing the low/no carb thing. IMHO, seems That’s a sure fire way to plow into an invisible brick wall right around mile 20.
Hell, I not even sure a carbaphobe could hang with a pack of glycogen junkies on a bike for any distance? Where will the quick fuel come from when one of us decides to drop the hammer and breakaway?
Anyone ride hard and long on Keto? Can you hang? Talking sustained maximum effort endurance stuff.2 -
Pentagon eyes ketogenic diet in bid to build more lethal warriors
https://washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/10/pentagon-eyes-ketogenic-diet-bid-build-more-lethal/15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Pentagon eyes ketogenic diet in bid to build more lethal warriors
https://washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/10/pentagon-eyes-ketogenic-diet-bid-build-more-lethal/
Changing the title of the piece, without clearly stating that you are doing so, is intellectually dishonest.
But I suspect you know that
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