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  • PhirrgusPhirrgus Posts: 1,904Member Member Posts: 1,904Member Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    This is one of the more unsettling things I've read recently.

    My post or the link? lol
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    So no "give us our daily bread" for them?

    I wish I had thought of that :p
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    Huh. I suppose it is nice that their diet helped them strengthen their religious beliefs. It is almost like what the 7th day Adventists claim except they exclude most animal products instead if most of a macro.

    It was interesting to read. What they said was God leading them I felt was my body leading me. Different interpretations I guess.

    Absolutely. I'm not condemning or judging anyone at all...it's just such a radical departure from what I've been taught that it really jumped out at me.
  • janejellyrolljanejellyroll Posts: 20,809Member Member Posts: 20,809Member Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    This is one of the more unsettling things I've read recently.

    My post or the link? lol
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    So no "give us our daily bread" for them?

    I wish I had thought of that :p
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    Huh. I suppose it is nice that their diet helped them strengthen their religious beliefs. It is almost like what the 7th day Adventists claim except they exclude most animal products instead if most of a macro.

    It was interesting to read. What they said was God leading them I felt was my body leading me. Different interpretations I guess.

    Absolutely. I'm not condemning or judging anyone at all...it's just such a radical departure from what I've been taught that it really jumped out at me.

    Sorry I was unclear! I was referring to the link, not at all to your post. :)
  • PhirrgusPhirrgus Posts: 1,904Member Member Posts: 1,904Member Member
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    This is one of the more unsettling things I've read recently.

    My post or the link? lol
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    So no "give us our daily bread" for them?

    I wish I had thought of that :p
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    Huh. I suppose it is nice that their diet helped them strengthen their religious beliefs. It is almost like what the 7th day Adventists claim except they exclude most animal products instead if most of a macro.

    It was interesting to read. What they said was God leading them I felt was my body leading me. Different interpretations I guess.

    Absolutely. I'm not condemning or judging anyone at all...it's just such a radical departure from what I've been taught that it really jumped out at me.

    Sorry I was unclear! I was referring to the link, not at all to your post. :)

    Thanks jane - I can be pretty obtuse and unclear at times, figured I better ask :)
  • nvmomketonvmomketo Posts: 12,031Member Member Posts: 12,031Member Member
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    Phirrgus wrote: »
    I'm airing one last thought now that the "conversation" seems to be over. Something that bugs the heck out of me is how I've seen some keto sites (and heard people) present it. That ketovale site ..."Join our movement"...

    What movement? It's a way someone chooses to eat, not a political/religious/gonna save your soul thing. It's food.

    Sounds almost cult like from some people, so I really appreciate the folks who just call it what it is.

    Ok, done now lol.

    That does sound creepy....

    I'm hoping it refers to the movement to have low carb or keto recognized as a healthy diet choice that can treat hyperinsulinemia and CVD, rather than getting ranked last by the Daily Mail. LOL

    I've actually seen a Christian group built around keto. Being a Christian, that's particularly disturbing to me.
    https://www.fittoservegroup.com/why-combining-the-keto-diet-with-our-christian-faith-transformed-our-lives/
    I won't go into all the reasons that bothers me, suffice to say I would react the same way regardless of the WoE..

    It's food, enjoy what we like and or need and or have available. That's not at you nvmomketo, just a general statement. 🙂

    Huh. I suppose it is nice that their diet helped them strengthen their religious beliefs. It is almost like what the 7th day Adventists claim except they exclude most animal products instead if most of a macro.

    It was interesting to read. What they said was God leading them I felt was my body leading me. Different interpretations I guess.

    Vegetarianism is encouraged, but not required, for Seventh Day Adventists. The only actually prohibited foods are non-kosher meats. According to a recent study, only about 35% of Adventists identified as vegetarian or vegan. What they do encourage, and many seem to do, is eat a diet that includes lots of plant foods even if they are sometimes eating meat, fish, dairy, and eggs.

    Interesting. I did not realize this. Thank you.
  • MaintainInTheMembraneMaintainInTheMembrane Posts: 36Member Member Posts: 36Member Member
    I’m on the fence about it. I think it sounds great for people with epilepsy and similar issues.

    Whether or not it helps you to lose weight depends on whether or not you’re in a calorie deficit.

    Personally, I’m not interested in eating that way, so there’s no point. I’m in an endometriosis group, and some women in there swear by it in terms of how they feel it helps their symptoms, so it’s certainly something I follow with interest. But I haven’t heard any solid reasons to sway me to try it.
  • tmpecus78tmpecus78 Posts: 1,234Member, Premium Member Posts: 1,234Member, Premium Member
    whmscll wrote: »
    Science has also found that a diet high in saturated fat is directly related to higher incidence of colon cancer, and that high consumption of red meat plays a large role. As someone with a high risk based on family history I would never in my life consider keto. It is not the right path for everyone.

    Most of these so called studies are with high-fat-induced obesity models.

    Here's a good oncology study: https://www.futuremedicine.com/doi/full/10.2217/fon-2017-0578
    While several animal and cell culture studies point to a direct role of dietary fats in increasing colonic cell proliferation and associated risks [10–12], interpretations from population studies are more complex and inconsistent. For example, a retrospective study showed no risk association between high and low animal fat intake in a meta-analysis [13].
  • psuLemonpsuLemon Posts: 35,214Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator Posts: 35,214Member, MFP Moderator, Greeter, Premium MFP Moderator
    nvmomketo wrote: »
    whmscll wrote: »
    Science has also found that a diet high in saturated fat is directly related to higher incidence of colon cancer, and that high consumption of red meat plays a large role. As someone with a high risk based on family history I would never in my life consider keto. It is not the right path for everyone.

    I'm afraid that this is not correct.

    Processed meats like bacon are found to to correlate with a 20% increased risk of colon cancer, which means that the risk rises from 5 to 6%.

    A diet high is saturated fat has NOT been found to cause colon cancer, nor does it correlate to increased risk. The meat preservatives appear to be the problem, and not the meat. Saying that saturated fat is the problem is incorrect, but it is mainly the fault of poor journalism or those with an anti meat agenda.

    But, if you do have evidence that saturated fat causes cancer, please share it. As someone who eats a lot if red meat, I would be curious to read it

    I think with the exception of transfat, this can literally be said about everything. Science suggest correlations because all of this is multifaceted. Its no different than the stuff you say about refined carbs. Because one can consume lots of them and still become metabolically healthy.

    Its why all diets produce similar results. The difference between all of these diets is minimal.
    edited March 27
  • J72FITJ72FIT Posts: 5,309Member Member Posts: 5,309Member Member
    kimny72 wrote: »
    And I think you could make a reasonable argument that your activity level and state of mind will have an equal if not a more profound affect on your health than almost any food choices you make. So pick a diet that sounds realistic and satisfying to you, be mindful of making healthy choices within that diet, get up off your heinie and keep your blood pumping if you are physically able, and get a checkup every once and awhile. That's good :smile:

    This about sums it up quite nicely...

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