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The most polarizing food: where do you stand?
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Carnauba wax is actually a widely used food additive, most commonly utilized as a glazing agent in candies and other sweets to give them a shine. It is also used on fruits, especially the apples you find at the grocery store. Paraffin and other edible waxes are used as well, to add luster to food items. At least carnauba comes from a plant, as opposed to petroleum based paraffin.3
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paperpudding wrote: »I think peanut butter is polarising on MFP - well, at least everyone else seems other pole to me.
I don't like the stuff and never eat it and don't even have any in my house.
Everyone else on MFP seems to think it is nectar of the gods.
I think it's just not as popular in Australia as the US. I eat it maybe once or twice a year and don't have any in my cupboard atm either. Or it's just us 😜0 -
I'm sorryleonadixon wrote: »
I liked these cookies. All the way through the whole debate, all the pages. UNTIL NOW. YOU HAVE BROUGHT ME INTO THE LIGHT AND I AM SAD.
There's hope though...as ilfaith pointed out at least it's sourced from plants and not petrol....
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slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I think peanut butter is polarising on MFP - well, at least everyone else seems other pole to me.
I don't like the stuff and never eat it and don't even have any in my house.
Everyone else on MFP seems to think it is nectar of the gods.
I think it's just not as popular in Australia as the US. I eat it maybe once or twice a year and don't have any in my cupboard atm either. Or it's just us 😜
Yes it seems that way.- not an Aussie thing much - or at least not for adults.
Peanut butter is seen more as a kids thing here, not something many adults eat.
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I love mayo/Miracle Whip in my grilled cheese sandwiches. I also add sliced pickles. My husband used to think it was blasphemy, but he's come around to my way of thinking.
Pineapple belongs on pizza and makes my inner 12 year-old happy. lol
And we've barely touched on the subject of sauerkraut on hotdogs! Must have!1 -
I love mayo/Miracle Whip in my grilled cheese sandwiches. I also add sliced pickles. My husband used to think it was blasphemy, but he's come around to my way of thinking.
Pineapple belongs on pizza and makes my inner 12 year-old happy. lol
And we've barely touched on the subject of sauerkraut on hotdogs! Must have!
too funny...I can't stand any of this stuff with the exception of the sauerkraut (which is great...sans the hotdog though!)0 -
Sauerkraut on hot dogs is acceptable, but on brats (which are, again, better than hot dogs) is essential and amazing.
Sauerkraut with pork and apples is also amazing.2 -
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So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories
), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yes.0 -
So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories ), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yeah it does. The cookies have that? @Phirrgus0 -
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And we've barely touched on the subject of sauerkraut on hotdogs! Must have!
Well I havent touched on that because I have never heard of such a combo
Most people here have tomato sauce (what you call ketchup) on hot dogs.
Some people have them plain and some have mustard or BBQ sauce or occasionally some other sort of sauce, like sweet chilli.
People also sometimes have additional things with the dog/sauce - cheese, onion, bacon.
Not mayo. Not sauerkraut.
Both of those things, IMO, are yummy and have their place - but that place is not on hotdogs
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paperpudding wrote: »I
And we've barely touched on the subject of sauerkraut on hotdogs! Must have!
Well I havent touched on that because I have never heard of such a combo
Most people here have tomato sauce (what you call ketchup) on hot dogs.
Some people have them plain and some have mustard or BBQ sauce or occasionally some other sort of sauce, like sweet chilli.
People also sometimes have additional things with the dog/sauce - cheese, onion, bacon.
Not mayo. Not sauerkraut.
Both of those things, IMO, are yummy and have their place - but that place is not on hotdogs
I enjoy sauerkraut on a hot dog sometimes. I really love chilli and Cole slaw (Carolina style) or chilli with onion and mustard.1 -
paperpudding wrote: »I
And we've barely touched on the subject of sauerkraut on hotdogs! Must have!
Well I havent touched on that because I have never heard of such a combo
Most people here have tomato sauce (what you call ketchup) on hot dogs.
Some people have them plain and some have mustard or BBQ sauce or occasionally some other sort of sauce, like sweet chilli.
People also sometimes have additional things with the dog/sauce - cheese, onion, bacon.
Not mayo. Not sauerkraut.
Both of those things, IMO, are yummy and have their place - but that place is not on hotdogs
I enjoy sauerkraut on a hot dog sometimes. I really love chilli and Cole slaw (Carolina style) or chilli with onion and mustard.
well, a WV hot dog kind of has mayo on it because a regular hot dog here is made up of meat chili (homemade is always superior to canned and hold those stupid beans!), ketchup, mustard, coleslaw, and onions. sometimes folks will use relish, but not often.
so nope, sorry - chili and slaw on a hotdog started in WV, not Carolina
lol
The funny thing about chili and slaw on a hotdog; I lived in Ashland, KY for a while during college, and the folks there had never heard of such a thing and thought it sounded gross. The guys I worked with just across the border in south western PA hadn't heard of it that way, either, but sure did like it when I introduced them to the concept!2 -
So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories ), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yeah it does. The cookies have that? @Phirrgus
They do @vanityy99 I did a bit of reading on the subject and from what I understand it's a very common additive in the food industry. And it's used for the exact same purpose as the car wax on vehicles. To make the food more appealing visually.
I understand visual appeal, but geez...ya know? There's just something wrong when "shiny/pretty" sells foods over nutritional value.
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2012/10/10/EFSA-reaffirms-carnauba-wax-safety-at-current-usage-levels#0 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Not quite but very similar.
They are both available on Amazon and not terribly expensive, I might need to make this happen.
A tip from someone who eats it.. the biggest mistake people make is to slather it on.. try just a smear on your toast. Enjoy 🙂 Thanks, I will think "condiment", not "peanut butter substitute"!
I always need tons of butter with it. Its very salty and always gives me mouth ulcers. I like it though0 -
seltzermint555 wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »I think peanut butter is polarising on MFP - well, at least everyone else seems other pole to me.
I don't like the stuff and never eat it and don't even have any in my house.
Everyone else on MFP seems to think it is nectar of the gods.
I like it a lot but not as much as my husband does...it's probably his #1 food. I think of it as a "sweet" food, he says it's savory.
I did this once, put peanut butter on toast, grated cheese on that, then chilli flakes on that and put it under the grill. Cheese on toast on top of peanut butter, it was fantastic2 -
https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/121025/why-does-ketchup-on-a-hot-dog-piss-people-off/
"No one should squirt ketchup on a hot dog after the age of 18, say officials at the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council, part of the American Meat Institute.
“You have to grow up sometime,” says council president Janet Riley, a.k.a. “the Queen of Wien” in her Hot Dog Etiquette video."
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https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/121025/why-does-ketchup-on-a-hot-dog-piss-people-off/
"No one should squirt ketchup on a hot dog after the age of 18, say officials at the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council, part of the American Meat Institute.
“You have to grow up sometime,” says council president Janet Riley, a.k.a. “the Queen of Wien” in her Hot Dog Etiquette video."
There's really a National Hot Dog and Sausage Council? Well, they can't tell me what to do.
*Squirts more ketchup on hotdog..."10 -
So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories ), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yeah it does. The cookies have that? @Phirrgus
They do @vanityy99 I did a bit of reading on the subject and from what I understand it's a very common additive in the food industry. And it's used for the exact same purpose as the car wax on vehicles. To make the food more appealing visually.
I understand visual appeal, but geez...ya know? There's just something wrong when "shiny/pretty" sells foods over nutritional value.
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2012/10/10/EFSA-reaffirms-carnauba-wax-safety-at-current-usage-levels#
This is the same as when Food Babe went after some additive that is used in commercial breads that is also used in yoga mats. The additive was a natural edible substance that was used in food long before anyone realized it would serve some purpose in yoga mats, but people can have this reaction that just because something is useful in a non-edible product, it somehow makes it now weird in an edible product. I'd bet people in the tropics were consuming carnauba leaves in some way long before anyone realized the stuff would make your car shiny 6 -
https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/121025/why-does-ketchup-on-a-hot-dog-piss-people-off/
"No one should squirt ketchup on a hot dog after the age of 18, say officials at the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council, part of the American Meat Institute.
“You have to grow up sometime,” says council president Janet Riley, a.k.a. “the Queen of Wien” in her Hot Dog Etiquette video."
There's really a National Hot Dog and Sausage Council? Well, they can't tell me what to do.
*Squirts more ketchup on hotdog..."
I think it's hilarious how upset some get at the idea of ketchup on a hotdog. I also liked the baseball related theory for it, if you followed the link.
(I don't like ketchup on hotdogs, but think it's fine that others do.)3 -
So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories ), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yeah it does. The cookies have that? @Phirrgus
They do @vanityy99 I did a bit of reading on the subject and from what I understand it's a very common additive in the food industry. And it's used for the exact same purpose as the car wax on vehicles. To make the food more appealing visually.
I understand visual appeal, but geez...ya know? There's just something wrong when "shiny/pretty" sells foods over nutritional value.
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2012/10/10/EFSA-reaffirms-carnauba-wax-safety-at-current-usage-levels#
This is the same as when Food Babe went after some additive that is used in commercial breads that is also used in yoga mats. The additive was a natural edible substance that was used in food long before anyone realized it would serve some purpose in yoga mats, but people can have this reaction that just because something is useful in a non-edible product, it somehow makes it now weird in an edible product. I'd bet people in the tropics were consuming carnauba leaves in some way long before anyone realized the stuff would make your car shiny
This conversation makes me think of that non-nutritive coating Clark Griswold used on Christmas Vacation lol.0 -
https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/121025/why-does-ketchup-on-a-hot-dog-piss-people-off/
"No one should squirt ketchup on a hot dog after the age of 18, say officials at the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council, part of the American Meat Institute.
“You have to grow up sometime,” says council president Janet Riley, a.k.a. “the Queen of Wien” in her Hot Dog Etiquette video."
There's really a National Hot Dog and Sausage Council? Well, they can't tell me what to do.
*Squirts more ketchup on hotdog..."
I think it's hilarious how upset some get at the idea of ketchup on a hotdog. I also liked the baseball related theory for it, if you followed the link.
(I don't like ketchup on hotdogs, but think it's fine that others do.)
It's perfectly OK if someone wants to put ketchup on their hot dog. Really. It's ok and there's no reason for me to think badly of them. Really. It's
OK. I might think they must have a defective microbiome or some epigenetic condition. But it's OK. Really.7 -
So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories ), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yeah it does. The cookies have that? @Phirrgus
They do @vanityy99 I did a bit of reading on the subject and from what I understand it's a very common additive in the food industry. And it's used for the exact same purpose as the car wax on vehicles. To make the food more appealing visually.
I understand visual appeal, but geez...ya know? There's just something wrong when "shiny/pretty" sells foods over nutritional value.
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2012/10/10/EFSA-reaffirms-carnauba-wax-safety-at-current-usage-levels#
This is the same as when Food Babe went after some additive that is used in commercial breads that is also used in yoga mats. The additive was a natural edible substance that was used in food long before anyone realized it would serve some purpose in yoga mats, but people can have this reaction that just because something is useful in a non-edible product, it somehow makes it now weird in an edible product. I'd bet people in the tropics were consuming carnauba leaves in some way long before anyone realized the stuff would make your car shiny
I think I actually remember that yoga mat debacle. Wasn't it some type of wood chip product? On the wax - I'm sure you're right kimny, but gag reflex lol. It's truly an irrational mental thing. I know it's there so bye bye candy corn 1 -
I might have chuckled a bit too much at that last bit..https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/121025/why-does-ketchup-on-a-hot-dog-piss-people-off/
"No one should squirt ketchup on a hot dog after the age of 18, say officials at the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council, part of the American Meat Institute.
“You have to grow up sometime,” says council president Janet Riley, a.k.a. “the Queen of Wien” in her Hot Dog Etiquette video."
There's really a National Hot Dog and Sausage Council? Well, they can't tell me what to do.
*Squirts more ketchup on hotdog..."
I think it's hilarious how upset some get at the idea of ketchup on a hotdog. I also liked the baseball related theory for it, if you followed the link.
(I don't like ketchup on hotdogs, but think it's fine that others do.)
It's perfectly OK if someone wants to put ketchup on their hot dog. Really. It's ok and there's no reason for me to think badly of them. Really. It's
OK. I might think they must have a defective microbiome or some epigenetic condition. But it's OK. Really.
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DanSanthomes wrote: »I'll get burnt for this I'm sure but I really don't see the point in making crap like this for human consumption. Don't we have enough 'proper' food - and crap - already? Just seems a waste of raw materials, packaging, shipping, labelling, buying and eventually excreting. (Similar to those cheap 99p plastic toys that break as you unwrap them - they're not fit for intended purpose so why make then in the first place - oh right, money - of course!!)
Sorry - rant over.
Sorry, this is a safe, non-judgmental community. Let's not judge the things people choose to purchase and consume
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DanSanthomes wrote: »I understand the WOO 'system' so can the phantom woo-er please explain what part of what i'm saying is 'pseudoscience/snake oil/fad diet' etc. so I can alter my viewpoint if necessary.
You are projecting, preaching and being flat out offensive. Please understand that everyone on this platform comes from different backgrounds and is at different stages of their health/wellness/fitness/food journey. I think you need to reevaluate what you are trying to get out of this community. 3 -
paperpudding wrote: »I
And we've barely touched on the subject of sauerkraut on hotdogs! Must have!
Well I havent touched on that because I have never heard of such a combo
Most people here have tomato sauce (what you call ketchup) on hot dogs.
Some people have them plain and some have mustard or BBQ sauce or occasionally some other sort of sauce, like sweet chilli.
People also sometimes have additional things with the dog/sauce - cheese, onion, bacon.
Not mayo. Not sauerkraut.
Both of those things, IMO, are yummy and have their place - but that place is not on hotdogs
I enjoy sauerkraut on a hot dog sometimes. I really love chilli and Cole slaw (Carolina style) or chilli with onion and mustard.
I'm a fan of sauerkraut with just about any type of meat.. haha. But I can't do chili... too much!0 -
https://www.chowhound.com/food-news/121025/why-does-ketchup-on-a-hot-dog-piss-people-off/
"No one should squirt ketchup on a hot dog after the age of 18, say officials at the National Hot Dog and Sausage Council, part of the American Meat Institute.
“You have to grow up sometime,” says council president Janet Riley, a.k.a. “the Queen of Wien” in her Hot Dog Etiquette video."
There's really a National Hot Dog and Sausage Council? Well, they can't tell me what to do.
*Squirts more ketchup on hotdog..."
I think it's hilarious how upset some get at the idea of ketchup on a hotdog. I also liked the baseball related theory for it, if you followed the link.
(I don't like ketchup on hotdogs, but think it's fine that others do.)
It's perfectly OK if someone wants to put ketchup on their hot dog. Really. It's ok and there's no reason for me to think badly of them. Really. It's
OK. I might think they must have a defective microbiome or some epigenetic condition. But it's OK. Really.
I hugged you because I think you really neded one but I. AM. PUTTING. KETCHUP. ON. MY. HOT. DOG.!!!!!!4 -
pancakerunner wrote: »DanSanthomes wrote: »I'll get burnt for this I'm sure but I really don't see the point in making crap like this for human consumption. Don't we have enough 'proper' food - and crap - already? Just seems a waste of raw materials, packaging, shipping, labelling, buying and eventually excreting. (Similar to those cheap 99p plastic toys that break as you unwrap them - they're not fit for intended purpose so why make then in the first place - oh right, money - of course!!)
Sorry - rant over.
Sorry, this is a safe, non-judgmental community. Let's not judge the things people choose to purchase and consume
That was sarcasm, right?
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So, you seem to be drawing a distinction between homemade cookies, and these cookies. Let's dig into that a bit, shall we? (I have no pre-defined agenda here: I don't eat the Lofthouse cookies, think they're gross, but I'm very laissez faire when it comes to others' choices.)
This started with your initial post being woo-ed, and you asking why. So let's approach this in a fact-based manner, since that would be a science-ish thing to do.
According to the Food Lion (grocery store) web site, these cookies have the following ingredients:Sugar, Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour (Flour, Niacin, Reduced Iron, Thiamine Mononitrate, Riboflavin, Folic Acid), Margarine (Palm Oil, Water, Soybean Oil, Salt, Contains 2% or less of: Mono- & Diglycerides, Calcium Disodium EDTA [Preservative], Artificial Flavor, Annatto [Color], Vitamin A Palmitate), Eggs, Contains 2% or less of: Water, Corn Starch, Vegetable Oil (Palm Kernel Oil and/or Palm Oil and/or Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil [Cottonseed and/or Soybean Oil]), Dextrin, Skim Milk, Natural & Artificial Flavors, Leavening (Baking Soda, Sodium Aluminum Sulfate, Monocalcium Phosphate), Soy Lecithin (Emulsifier),Confectioner's Glaze (Lac Resin), Food Starch-Modified, Colors (Carmine [Color], Blue 1, Blue 1 Lake, Blue 2, Blue 2 Lake, Red 3, Red 40, Red 40 Lake, Yellow 5, Yellow 5 Lake, Yellow 6, Yellow 6 Lake), Polysorbate 60, Carnauba Wax, Sodium Propionate (Preservative).
If I were making cookies at home, most of those ingredients would be in the cookies, especially true for the ingredients at the top (more predominant ones): Sugar, flour, some kind of oil or shortening (probably a simpler one like butter, or coconut oil, because yummier), eggs, milk, leavening. I wouldn't put in artificial flavors (natural vanilla extract is yummier IMO), probably not the artificial colors (I mostly don't want colors - but if I did it would be standard commercial food coloring, which would likely be this same stuff). I certainly wouldn't put in the preservatives (gonna eat 'em or freeze 'em), carnauba wax (?!), or the Confectioners Glaze (Lac Resin) (no idea what that even is).
So, bottom line: Similar ingredients, differences in the minor items. (This might justify a "woo", in some people's minds.)
Next up, nutrition: Specifically, do they have nutritional value, or are they "masquerading as food".Nutrition Facts
Serving Size 38 g
Servings Per Container 10
Amount Per Serving
Calories 160.0 Cal
Calories From Fat 50.0 Cal
% Daily Value
Total Fat 6.0g 9.0%
Saturated Fat 2.5 g 13.0
Trans Fat 0.0 g
Cholesterol 5.0 mg 2.0
Sodium 100.0 mg4.0
Total Carbohydrate 26.0g 9.0%
Dietary Fiber 0.0 g 0.0
Sugars 16.0 g
Protein 1.0 g
Vitamin A 4.0
Vitamin C 0.0
Calcium 0.0
Iron 4.0
So, "food energy" (calories ), tiny (negligible) amount of protein, a little fat, tiny vitamin A and iron. Not great. Probably not that far off home-made, but realistically, very low nutrition for the calories, mostly sugar and carbs. They might be a truly affirmative choice for an endurance athlete who enjoyed them and needed the calories. For anyone else who enjoys them, seems like a "sometimes food".
Conclusion: Nothing in particular. Just some facts. It's just that I don't mostly enjoy rant-y emotional stuff. Facts are good.
Y'all are having some good fun, but I'm still hung up on what I bolded in that ingredients list. See, I use Carnauba wax ON MY PICKUP TRUCK
Following that logic, anything I can put into my body that passes out the other end without killing me or sickening me can be classified as food.
An abomination colored pretty pink. That's what these cookies are.
I'm going to go slug this down now. Maybe I'll have a new product to put on market shelves soon.
Seriously, that doesn't bother anyone?
Yeah it does. The cookies have that? @Phirrgus
They do @vanityy99 I did a bit of reading on the subject and from what I understand it's a very common additive in the food industry. And it's used for the exact same purpose as the car wax on vehicles. To make the food more appealing visually.
I understand visual appeal, but geez...ya know? There's just something wrong when "shiny/pretty" sells foods over nutritional value.
https://www.foodnavigator.com/Article/2012/10/10/EFSA-reaffirms-carnauba-wax-safety-at-current-usage-levels#
This is the same as when Food Babe went after some additive that is used in commercial breads that is also used in yoga mats. The additive was a natural edible substance that was used in food long before anyone realized it would serve some purpose in yoga mats, but people can have this reaction that just because something is useful in a non-edible product, it somehow makes it now weird in an edible product. I'd bet people in the tropics were consuming carnauba leaves in some way long before anyone realized the stuff would make your car shiny
I think I actually remember that yoga mat debacle. Wasn't it some type of wood chip product? On the wax - I'm sure you're right kimny, but gag reflex lol. It's truly an irrational mental thing. I know it's there so bye bye candy corn
So the carnauba wax from palm leaves bothered you, but the insect-secreted shellac (Confectioner's Glaze/Lac Resin) didn't. Interesting.
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