80 calorie comparison pic
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Here is what I believe. If I went to an RD and said that I would eat close to 1000 calories a day of nutrient rich food as a trade-off for having a big mac it would get green lighted. The reason I believe this is because they are trained in nutrition and it would be unprofessional of them to have food prejudices. Once nutrition is met no one should really care how the calories for just energy are spent. Once your nutrition well is full most of the other nutrients you eat spill over into your urine. There is no super nutrition status and we are not elite athletes so we do not need ridiculously strict food protocols.
I have met two different RDs. The first one because my doctor could not give me answers. The second because I wanted another pair of eyes on my plan to speed up my weight loss for 3 months to hit a surgery deadline. Both told me stories of how exhausting their job was to try and convince people to make any improvements at all. The second had a woman who wanted to lose weight but drank 800+ calories each day and she has tried to convince her to cut back or stop for MONTHS. Both loved the way I ate. Neither cared at all how much "junk" food I ate because I ate so much of what they called "quality" food.
Well. I am not surprised they where not fighting the battle over some "junk". Just getting people to add "healthy" food in there diet must be exhausting. Now, there are some "healthy" foods that are easy to over eat on. Nuts and nut butters being an example. Though, if one is replacing that big mac meal they would have for lunch with a chicken breast salad with a light dressing, will most likely crowd out much of the "junk". When people do that, they are lowering the overall ED of their diet and as long as someone is not hyper compensating elsewhere, they will lose weight. Though it might be individual. Much like exercise does not cause weight loss. Well, it does in most people. There are some people over compensate, most don't.1 -
psychod787 wrote: »Here is what I believe. If I went to an RD and said that I would eat close to 1000 calories a day of nutrient rich food as a trade-off for having a big mac it would get green lighted. The reason I believe this is because they are trained in nutrition and it would be unprofessional of them to have food prejudices. Once nutrition is met no one should really care how the calories for just energy are spent. Once your nutrition well is full most of the other nutrients you eat spill over into your urine. There is no super nutrition status and we are not elite athletes so we do not need ridiculously strict food protocols.
I have met two different RDs. The first one because my doctor could not give me answers. The second because I wanted another pair of eyes on my plan to speed up my weight loss for 3 months to hit a surgery deadline. Both told me stories of how exhausting their job was to try and convince people to make any improvements at all. The second had a woman who wanted to lose weight but drank 800+ calories each day and she has tried to convince her to cut back or stop for MONTHS. Both loved the way I ate. Neither cared at all how much "junk" food I ate because I ate so much of what they called "quality" food.
Well. I am not surprised they where not fighting the battle over some "junk". Just getting people to add "healthy" food in there diet must be exhausting. Now, there are some "healthy" foods that are easy to over eat on. Nuts and nut butters being an example. Though, if one is replacing that big mac meal they would have for lunch with a chicken breast salad with a light dressing, will most likely crowd out much of the "junk". When people do that, they are lowering the overall ED of their diet and as long as someone is not hyper compensating elsewhere, they will lose weight. Though it might be individual. Much like exercise does not cause weight loss. Well, it does in most people. There are some people over compensate, most don't.
What Ann proposed was a scenario that you ate one big mac and the rest was nutrient dense food. If a person was eating too much calorie dense nutrient shallow food then the chicken breast and salad would certainly push calories in the right direction (assuming the calorie remained equal). If a person has already eaten a gigantic chicken salad that day as well as plenty of other "quality" food eating more chicken and salad could be redundant so why not have a big mac?9 -
psychod787 wrote: »Here is what I believe. If I went to an RD and said that I would eat close to 1000 calories a day of nutrient rich food as a trade-off for having a big mac it would get green lighted. The reason I believe this is because they are trained in nutrition and it would be unprofessional of them to have food prejudices. Once nutrition is met no one should really care how the calories for just energy are spent. Once your nutrition well is full most of the other nutrients you eat spill over into your urine. There is no super nutrition status and we are not elite athletes so we do not need ridiculously strict food protocols.
I have met two different RDs. The first one because my doctor could not give me answers. The second because I wanted another pair of eyes on my plan to speed up my weight loss for 3 months to hit a surgery deadline. Both told me stories of how exhausting their job was to try and convince people to make any improvements at all. The second had a woman who wanted to lose weight but drank 800+ calories each day and she has tried to convince her to cut back or stop for MONTHS. Both loved the way I ate. Neither cared at all how much "junk" food I ate because I ate so much of what they called "quality" food.
Well. I am not surprised they where not fighting the battle over some "junk". Just getting people to add "healthy" food in there diet must be exhausting. Now, there are some "healthy" foods that are easy to over eat on. Nuts and nut butters being an example. Though, if one is replacing that big mac meal they would have for lunch with a chicken breast salad with a light dressing, will most likely crowd out much of the "junk". When people do that, they are lowering the overall ED of their diet and as long as someone is not hyper compensating elsewhere, they will lose weight. Though it might be individual. Much like exercise does not cause weight loss. Well, it does in most people. There are some people over compensate, most don't.
What Ann proposed was a scenario that you ate one big mac and the rest was nutrient dense food. If a person was eating too much calorie dense nutrient shallow food then the chicken breast and salad would certainly push calories in the right direction (assuming the calorie remained equal). If a person has already eaten a gigantic chicken salad that day as well as plenty of other "quality" food eating more chicken and salad could be redundant so why not have a big mac?
Exactly. They are compensating. Much like a lady at my work who eats nuts by the handful because they are "healthy". "I have no idea why I am gaining weight?!? I eat nuts and they are healthy." While she eats her normal fare.0 -
As far as the rd not fighting. Some time you have to establish some healthy habits, then concentrate on the details.0
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HollyPFlax wrote: »I only eat potato chips once a year now. When I go to Ireland, I make sure to get some Cheese and Onion Taytos. They are the best!
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.20 -
disappointed because I thought this would be everyone posting their own 80 cal/80 cal comparison photos with different food.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
I always consider my energy management to be my first priority for good health. If nothing else gets done in a day I need calories from any source possible. I will feel the affect of too little calories in hours in some cases. With the exception of electrolytes and fiber it could take substantially longer to realize the impact of a low nutrient level. In satisfying my energy requirement I want to eat enough of everything else to make a complete day for myself. I don't personally worry about occasionally incomplete days either. I have had vacation days where treat food has crowded out a lot of nutrition. I don't believe it makes any difference.
I am nutritionally minded but I am not uptight about it. I believe being uptight about it is not helpful or mentally healthful (at least for me) as a practice.4 -
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
are we sure it's actually "meat"? 5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
I always consider my energy management to be my first priority for good health. If nothing else gets done in a day I need calories from any source possible. I will feel the affect of too little calories in hours in some cases. With the exception of electrolytes and fiber it could take substantially longer to realize the impact of a low nutrient level. In satisfying my energy requirement I want to eat enough of everything else to make a complete day for myself. I don't personally worry about occasionally incomplete days either. I have had vacation days where treat food has crowded out a lot of nutrition. I don't believe it makes any difference.
I am nutritionally minded but I am not uptight about it. I believe being uptight about it is not helpful or mentally healthful (at least for me) as a practice.
Agreed.
But the point being disputed was the health implications of a Big Mac every day, not just sometimes.
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I would feel more satisfied after the crisps as popcorn just makes me feel more hungry when I eat it1
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
I always consider my energy management to be my first priority for good health. If nothing else gets done in a day I need calories from any source possible. I will feel the affect of too little calories in hours in some cases. With the exception of electrolytes and fiber it could take substantially longer to realize the impact of a low nutrient level. In satisfying my energy requirement I want to eat enough of everything else to make a complete day for myself. I don't personally worry about occasionally incomplete days either. I have had vacation days where treat food has crowded out a lot of nutrition. I don't believe it makes any difference.
I am nutritionally minded but I am not uptight about it. I believe being uptight about it is not helpful or mentally healthful (at least for me) as a practice.
Agreed.
But the point being disputed was the health implications of a Big Mac every day, not just sometimes.
I meant that sometimes it doesn't even matter if I fill my entire day with big macs. I think I already addressed how they can be eaten each day in a healthy fashion upthread. I don't like them that much myself to engage in either scenario so I won't be trying it. The closest I have come is the week in March where I ate pizza or fast food everyday to fill most of my calorie void during a really bad family time. Lower volume calorie dense food helped because I had no desire to eat.2 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
Thanks for coming back. I agree what matters is a whole day of eating. Can someone on a 1500 calorie a day diet get adequate nutrition with a daily Big Mac? I would say they probably could, but the remainder of their day would have to so on point with nutrient dense food they would be like a white rhino, out there but very rare.
I like the guideline of many dietitians and people with PhD in nutrition behind their names, get 80-90% of your daily calories from nutrient dense foods (over time can have a total "off' day occasionally) and the other 10-20% whatever. Now if someone iss a special snowflake who requires a lot of calories due to activity level, they could probably sneak down a bit on the 80% nutrient dense food. A Big Mac daily on a 1500 calorie a day diet would be between 35-40% of one's daily calories.3 -
nighthawk584 wrote: »
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
are we sure it's actually "meat"?
What else do you think it is?
The things a dietitian would be likely to object to for a daily diet are (1) the lack of veg and/or whole grain with it (which could be rectified if someone otherwise ate a nutrient-dense diet); (2) eating red meat daily (directly related to it being meat); (3) the sodium (940 mg); and (3) possibly the sat fat content, although it was less than I expected (10 g), again related to the red meat + cheese. The sauce adds fat and some sugar, but is less sat fat than I thought (I'm not wild about soybean oil either, which is the main ingredient). Also, low fiber. Overall, not much different from a burger made at home with various condiments including mayo, and lower cal than a burger at your local pub or many perceived to be higher quality burger joints (which unlike the homemade burger will also tend to be higher sodium).
More realistically, I bet a dietitian would knee-jerk object because he/she would be skeptical that the rest of the diet would be nutrient dense and not also high in the things the BigMac meal is, but one could construct a diet that is not without too much difficulty if one otherwise likes vegetables. Seems needlessly difficult to me, but not too hard if one were motivated to do it for some reason.
I don't eat BigMacs because I don't care for them, but they aren't some uniquely bad for you sort of food, and the dietitian objections would apply to plenty of options one can make at home.5 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
And as you've been asked yet haven't answered, why do you believe most dieticians would agree with your position? Do you have any proof source for this claim other than the trainer you quoted? Something like the recommendations of a professional society of registered dieticians. BTW, there are even registered dieticians who believe woo. We've seen some post here. If it's just your opinion, good for you. Don't eat them.
Google fast food and health to see why a daily Big Mac (especially on a low calorie diet isn't a good idea) Sample article numerous links:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324847.php
I haven't had a Big Mac in years, IMO totally devoid of any taste except the sauce and pickles. We are fortunate to have Culvers in our area, give me a double Butterburger all day, you can actually eat it with just the meat, cheese and bread and it's fantastic. My go to when looking for an occasional fast food burger
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
I absolutely said that, and I own it.
The point is: What matters is the whole way of eating, not one food or meal. The Big Mac is not the devil. It's basically meat and bread, plus some condiments and negligible veggies . . . normal foods, but nutritionally unbalanced on its own.
If the rest of the person's day tops up protein, and includes a bunch of nice veggies and fruits, maybe some whole grains, MUFAs, PUFAs, they're good.
Even as a vegetarian, I eat meals that have a similar macro profile to a Big Mac. I don't see why I should deprecate it even though (1) I wouldn't eat it unless under major duress, and (2) I think spending a third of calories on that makes the rest of the day unnecessarily more challenging. It wouldn't be my daily choice even if I ate meat. But it's food, with meaningful nutrients.
It doesn't make sense to me to look at it in any other way. But I'm certainly not a dietitian, and don't pretend to be.
I always consider my energy management to be my first priority for good health. If nothing else gets done in a day I need calories from any source possible. I will feel the affect of too little calories in hours in some cases. With the exception of electrolytes and fiber it could take substantially longer to realize the impact of a low nutrient level. In satisfying my energy requirement I want to eat enough of everything else to make a complete day for myself. I don't personally worry about occasionally incomplete days either. I have had vacation days where treat food has crowded out a lot of nutrition. I don't believe it makes any difference.
I am nutritionally minded but I am not uptight about it. I believe being uptight about it is not helpful or mentally healthful (at least for me) as a practice.
Agreed.
But the point being disputed was the health implications of a Big Mac every day, not just sometimes.
I meant that sometimes it doesn't even matter if I fill my entire day with big macs. I think I already addressed how they can be eaten each day in a healthy fashion upthread. I don't like them that much myself to engage in either scenario so I won't be trying it. The closest I have come is the week in March where I ate pizza or fast food everyday to fill most of my calorie void during a really bad family time. Lower volume calorie dense food helped because I had no desire to eat.
No fill your calories as you see fit. CICO rules..... I am speaking more on an intuitive basis. Most people don't want to track foods for the rest of their lives. Will a Big-Mac a day kill someone? Nope. Can it lead to weight gain over time due to the nature of the satiety power? Yes, in most people.6 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Google fast food and health to see why a daily Big Mac (especially on a low calorie diet isn't a good idea) Sample article numerous links:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324847.php
I haven't had a Big Mac in years, IMO totally devoid of any taste except the sauce and pickles. We are fortunate to have Culvers in our area, give me a double Butterburger all day, you can actually eat it with just the meat, cheese and bread and it's fantastic. My go to when looking for an occasional fast food burger
The reasons given are "high in sugar, salt, fat, calories, low in fiber and various nutrients."
The BigMac in fact has 9 g of sugar, which isn't some enormous amount, and could be mostly avoided by getting without the special sauce or ketchup.
The salt/fiber/fat/calories have been addressed in prior posts.
The BigMac means you get 540 cal with mostly just an okay to low amount of protein for that.
But the low fiber, low nutrients complaint ignores that in the hypothetical the person is otherwise eating a super nutrient-dense diet. Is it a sensible way to eat? IMO, no, it's making everything harder than necessary, but it's important to note that the article is making assumptions about the rest of the person's diet (based on statistical averages -- most people who eat fast food daily (which is not all that common) probably don't pay much attention to nutrition) that do not apply to the hypothetical.
The real question is if even with a super high nutrition set of choices for the rest of the 1000 cals (or whatever), there's inherently something wrong with the diet. Is it too much red meat, sat fat, sodium (I don't think there's really that much added sugar and artificial trans fat should not be present today).
My own view is that the evidence we have suggests that red meat daily isn't the best choice, I prefer to limit soybean oil so as to help with a good omega 3 to 6 ratio, and I do limit sat fat. So I'd vote against it as an every day thing even if the rest of the diet were on point (and although it had less sat fat than I expected).
I do find it interesting that plenty of people who would say I'm crazy about all that and red meat, etc., are great in any amounts and one does not need 8-10 servings of veg or over 30 g of fiber (both of which could be included within the 1000 cals) would insist there's still something inherently wrong with the BigMac. That doesn't seem all that logical.
Of course, my guess is that if you tried to eat this diet you'd soon get so sick of BigMacs that you'd soon never want one ever again, even if you started out really liking them.7 -
Video of a guy who ate a Big Mac everyday for 30 days and still lost 7 lbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yAMU6Y4Iro&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR0lick99oL2yuKbmXIvRzMFuAqvisQqID1lBWF_VgppEyNTZL4VsXcEX0E 4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
And as you've been asked yet haven't answered, why do you believe most dieticians would agree with your position? Do you have any proof source for this claim other than the trainer you quoted? Something like the recommendations of a professional society of registered dieticians. BTW, there are even registered dieticians who believe woo. We've seen some post here. If it's just your opinion, good for you. Don't eat them.
Google fast food and health to see why a daily Big Mac (especially on a low calorie diet isn't a good idea) Sample article numerous links:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324847.php
I haven't had a Big Mac in years, IMO totally devoid of any taste except the sauce and pickles. We are fortunate to have Culvers in our area, give me a double Butterburger all day, you can actually eat it with just the meat, cheese and bread and it's fantastic. My go to when looking for an occasional fast food burger
Your link gives a gateway time out and doesn't open.0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »I’d choose the popcorn. I love popcorn!
I just read that a guy ate a Big Mac every day for a month and lost 7 pounds. Just last month. He was eating 1500 calories a day, not just eating Big Macs
5’4” he was posting on Instagram. Showing there are no bad foods. I think he was a personal trainer, or something like that.
What the guy proved was that if one eats fewer calories then you burn you lose weight, nothing more. Ask any any Registered Dietitian if a 1500 calorie a day diet that includes a Big Mac every day is sustainable for health.
Instagram posts giving nutrition or exercise advice from someone who people think "was a personal trainer or something like that", IMO is not a good idea.
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian.
I'm thinking a registed dierition would not agree with your conclusion long term IMO.
I'm thinking you have no idea what a registered dietitian would think on this topic.
You might want to go back and carefully read my comments. I said I doubted a dietitian would think a Big Mac daily was healthy long term, especially on a 1500 calorie a day diet. Heck the trainer mentioned above that ate a Big Mac daily for a month and lost weight said the following:
"I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
I would agree with the trainer, and I believe most dietitians would say that a Big Mac is an "occasional" food and not an everyday food.
If you can cite something where an actual nutrition professional says a Big Mac a day is fine long term for one's health, please post as I would be interested in reading it.
Who said anything about a Big Mac per day? And, based on the macros, why would it not be in the context of an diet that had good balance overall? These kind of judgements don't really consider context and amount and, honestly come across as orthorexic.
Please refer to the post by @AnnPT77 above which I responded to originally stating that IMO I do not believe for health reasons a dietitian would suggest that a diet that included a Big Mac a day would be healthy. As I stated above, and I believe would be in line with most dietitians, a Big Mac is an occasional type of food.
Here is the post I responded to:
Big Mac, per McD web site:
540 Calories
28 grams Total Fat
46 grams Carbs
25 grams Protein
If a person really wanted to, they could fit one in every day, and get overall decent (healthy) nutrition on 1500 calories, IMO.
Not me, though: I'm vegetarian
And as you've been asked yet haven't answered, why do you believe most dieticians would agree with your position? Do you have any proof source for this claim other than the trainer you quoted? Something like the recommendations of a professional society of registered dieticians. BTW, there are even registered dieticians who believe woo. We've seen some post here. If it's just your opinion, good for you. Don't eat them.
Google fast food and health to see why a daily Big Mac (especially on a low calorie diet isn't a good idea) Sample article numerous links:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324847.php
I haven't had a Big Mac in years, IMO totally devoid of any taste except the sauce and pickles. We are fortunate to have Culvers in our area, give me a double Butterburger all day, you can actually eat it with just the meat, cheese and bread and it's fantastic. My go to when looking for an occasional fast food burger
Your link gives a gateway time out and doesn't open.
You're lucky. It didn't time out for me, so I read it.
It's not terrible, but it's more-or-less the high-level generalizations you'd expect, most of which we've already gone into in some detail in this thread wrt the Big Mac specifically:Fast food is typically very poor in terms of nutrition. According to a study paper in the journal Health Promotion Perspectives, fast food tends to contain various substances that are generally unhealthful. It is high in sugar, salt, and saturated or trans fats, as well as many processed preservatives and ingredients. It is also low in beneficial nutrients.
There are links/references to not very startling studies, like correlations between diets high in fast foods and relatively poor health outcomes, risks of high salt diets for blood pressure and such, trans fats are bad, Western diets are correlated with increased cancer or systemic inflammatory conditions, etc.
Also, here's a shocker:The Obesity Action Coalition point out that typical fast food contains a very high number of calories. If a person eats more calories than they are burning during each day, they will put on weight, which may lead to obesity.
According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), obesity increases a person's risk of developing a range of serious health conditions.
(In the original, the names of the organizations are links to similar high-level generalizations, things that need to be said but that aren't particularly surprising or insightful to anyone who pays attention to nutrition and health.)
It pretty much just says that fast food is unhealthful, and that the average person eats too much fast food. It seems to implicitly assume that "average person" scenario, therefore - IMO - isn't terribly on point to the very specific question being wrangled over in this sub-thread, i.e., whether one Big Mac every single day is compatible with health, and whether eating that daily Big Mac would draw one's dietitian's disapproval.
But even it says:Not all fast food is bad, and a person can make an informed choice by doing research to find out the nutritional content of particular fast food items. These are available on the websites of most major restaurants.
Which is pretty much why I looked up the Big Mac in the first place, so we could talk meaningfully about the specific dietary choice in question, rather than continuing to sling generalities about how bad fast food is for people.
P.S. I ate two Taco Bell bean burritos today (with extra beans), which is quite unusual for me. But I think I'll live. 11 -
https://youtu.be/1yAMU6Y4Iro
Enjoyed his video.
He also stated the difference between what he did vs. Supersize Me. He kept up a reasonable amount of daily activity and ate a balance of healthy foods, not McDonald's at every meal with no activity.1 -
New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »https://youtu.be/1yAMU6Y4Iro
Enjoyed his video.
He also stated the difference between what he did vs. Supersize Me. He kept up a reasonable amount of daily activity and ate a balance of healthy foods, not McDonald's at every meal with no activity.
Didn't take time to watch but in the article below he stated: "I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
https://www.insider.com/instagram-fitness-coach-jordan-syatt-big-mac-challenge-lost-7-pounds-2019-10
The bolded is my point. The trainer mentions incorporating your favorite foods in moderation which I noted above, I agree with. IMO, 35-40% of one's calories daily long term from a Big Mac or whatever your choice of typical fast food is not moderation,
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »New_Heavens_Earth wrote: »https://youtu.be/1yAMU6Y4Iro
Enjoyed his video.
He also stated the difference between what he did vs. Supersize Me. He kept up a reasonable amount of daily activity and ate a balance of healthy foods, not McDonald's at every meal with no activity.
Didn't take time to watch but in the article below he stated: "I don't want anybody doing this challenge," he said. "I do not think that this challenge is healthy. I don't think it's smart but sometimes you have to do something extreme in order to make a simple point."
Syatt merely wanted to hammer that point home.
"The whole point of it was to show people that you can include your favorite foods into your diet in moderation and not only not lose progress, but actually continue to make progress, because so many people worry about ruining their entire diet if they go off track for one meal, whatever it is."
https://www.insider.com/instagram-fitness-coach-jordan-syatt-big-mac-challenge-lost-7-pounds-2019-10
The bolded is my point. The trainer mentions incorporating your favorite foods in moderation which I noted above, I agree with. IMO, 35-40% of one's calories daily long term from a Big Mac or whatever your choice of typical fast food is not moderation,
I got that, the bolded part. I agree with that. What I wrote is what he stated he did differently than Morgan Spurlock. I've posted this on a couple forums and people are jumping to the conclusion that this video is saying fast food is healthy for weight loss, which yes he said its not, or long term health, which yes he said it's not. So many said "I can't watch this but it's just the opposite of Supersize Me", but no it's not. He's just demonstrating any food can be included in a caloric deficit can lead to weight loss. I'm just pointing out the difference between what he did and Supersize Me. Maybe you should watch this first so you can understand my point.8 -
I did not do well with the mentality of "bigger portion therefore better!". Too much jello, not enough fat in my diet.3
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I didn't watch the video tbh. But I would love to have seen a before and after detailed blood/cholesterol/glucose/etc work up and see what the Big Macs did to his body besides weight and calories. That stuff is not real food. Maybe just grill a really good grass fed burger ie make your own with real food. Nothing beats a good burger if your a meat eater IMHO.3
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I didn't watch the video tbh. But I would love to have seen a before and after detailed blood/cholesterol/glucose/etc work up and see what the Big Macs did to his body besides weight and calories. That stuff is not real food. Maybe just grill a really good grass fed burger ie make your own with real food. Nothing beats a good burger if your a meat eater IMHO.
What part of a Big Mac isn't real food? If I remember my jingles correctly, it's "two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions, on a sesame seed bun".16 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »IMO, 35-40% of one's calories daily long term from a Big Mac or whatever your choice of typical fast food is not moderation,
So I'm a 5'3, 125 lb woman, and it would be about 25% of my daily cals, so presumably for an athletic younger guy it would be a LOT less than 35-40% of one's calories. It would be harder on a woman's deficit calories, but that's not "long term," long term = maintenance.
It's also a thought-experiment, no one is recommending it (I think no one would really want to do it).
But you consistently resist explaining why the BigMac would be uniquely bad vs. other choices one might make in a typical diet. I suggested some possibilities, but you did not respond, and you cited generalities that don't address the issues under discussion.
Basically, the BigMac is higher fat beef, the white bread bun, a little cheese (but you could eat it without it, I normally don't get cheese on a burger), and a high fat sauce similar to mayo (using soybean oil, which would not be my preference, but it's not like it's not a common ingredient in things people eat even when they aren't eating fast food).
So how is the BigMac different than someone eating a mix of foods including some red meat, some sources of animal fat, white pasta or rice, and cooking some things in vegetable oil daily? It's really not. It's just that normally we eat meals that are a mix of more and less nutrient dense foods and in the hypothetical the person is eating 2 super healthy, lower fat, high in veg and fiber and low fat sources of protein type meals and one BigMac (or substitute with a homemade and tastier burger using 85% beef, a white bun, and cheese if you prefer).
Is that a sustainable way to eat? Not for me, no. But is it so inherently unhealthy that one must call it out? (And if so, are you consistently calling out everyone who makes similar choices, like insisting that daily red meat is bad for us?) Because unless one is objecting to daily red meat (which I do think might not be a great idea, although the evidence is somewhat unclear given the nature of the studies) or eating ANY white bread/pasta/rice on a daily basis or ANY cheese or soybean oil on a daily basis, I'm not seeing the basis for the claim here. It might be work putting it on the table so we can actually discuss it.12 -
I didn't watch the video tbh. But I would love to have seen a before and after detailed blood/cholesterol/glucose/etc work up and see what the Big Macs did to his body besides weight and calories. That stuff is not real food. Maybe just grill a really good grass fed burger ie make your own with real food. Nothing beats a good burger if your a meat eater IMHO.
This is what I'm kind of getting at --
If you assert that eating a BigMac occasionally (which is the realistic application of this) has a different effect on health than eating a 540 cal homemade burger (with 85% beef and cheese and some kind of mayo-like sauce) occasionally, how? What are the specific reasons?
And it's so funny that I'm arguing for this since I hate both mayo and BigMacs, but it just doesn't seem logical.12 -
I didn't watch the video tbh. But I would love to have seen a before and after detailed blood/cholesterol/glucose/etc work up and see what the Big Macs did to his body besides weight and calories. That stuff is not real food. Maybe just grill a really good grass fed burger ie make your own with real food. Nothing beats a good burger if your a meat eater IMHO.
Weight loss is known to improve health markers all by itself. It is unlikely that his changed much though in 30 days and 7 pounds.
If they did get worse he could always do the Twinkie diet and improve them:
http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
If a Big Mac is not real food does that mean you can't use them for calories? After all the PRIMARY use for all food is not nutrition it is energy.10 -
I totally agree with the bolded. I don't eat them. Don't really like them. But they are just a set of macro nutrients and micro nutrients with a certain calorie load. At my maintenance calories, I could eat one everyday and still have almost 2000 calories left for fruits, veggies grains etc. Again, it's all about context and dose and, if one likes them, there would be nothing inherently unhealthy about eating one everyday in the context of a balanced and otherwise healthy diet.I didn't watch the video tbh. But I would love to have seen a before and after detailed blood/cholesterol/glucose/etc work up and see what the Big Macs did to his body besides weight and calories. That stuff is not real food. Maybe just grill a really good grass fed burger ie make your own with real food. Nothing beats a good burger if your a meat eater IMHO.
This is what I'm kind of getting at --
If you assert that eating a BigMac occasionally (which is the realistic application of this) has a different effect on health than eating a 540 cal homemade burger (with 85% beef and cheese and some kind of mayo-like sauce) occasionally, how? What are the specific reasons?
And it's so funny that I'm arguing for this since I hate both mayo and BigMacs, but it just doesn't seem logical.
Even though I don't like them, I find the vague generalizations and the false appeals to authority, such as ascribing what a registered dietician would say, without producing actual proof sources specious. And that is objectionable to me.
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