October 2019 Monthly Running Challenge
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Camaramandy648 wrote: »All right. I've been back at it for a few/ several weeks and I can feel myself getting stronger again. I've run several 5ks and one HM on accident (my fiance and I got lost as I was new to the area and he had never run anything in his life) but I haven't been as consistent as I once was for all the same reasons/ excuses as everyone else. Single mom, kids, one with special needs, etc. etc. But I've forced myself to make time for the gym, being healthy, learning, and running. Repeat.
I happened upon a Ted talk about a guy who was a regular guy once and decided to run with his office mate. Now, a little later, the guy is an ultra-marathoner. This inspired me. I've been dreaming about running. It's all I can think about.
Yesterday I happened upon a Ted talk about a woman named Debbie Gibson who ran her first marathon in Arizona - the Rock n Roll marathon. Now she's an ultra runner too.
Of course this sent me on the path to read about the Rock N Roll marathon. I have family in Nashville so I decided I may as well do it. I've done much harder things in my life and have overcome so much more. The 20th mile will still not hold a candle to my darkest hours. It will be horrible and glorious but I think I can really finish it! It's six months away! I woke up already committed in my head and my heart to go for it, so I texted my big brother and my sisters to say, "This is what I'm doing and I'm telling you so that I will have a point of accountability and a sense of the reality of it."
So here we go.
I was reading about training plans - where to start, etc. I am running three times a week right now. The training plans conflict what you all are saying about having shorter long runs. The training plans seem intense. I am not too concerned about time - I am concerned about FINISHING WELL.
As an aside - my right ankle has the throbbing feeling ... I don't know if it's an actual sprain - it's just sore with some throbbing. Not sure if I should attempt another run tonight?
As a rule you shouldn’t run on things that hurt while you run. “Sore” can be okay if it’s not worsened while running.
One note about the Rock & roll - they sell out! So if you are determined, go ahead and register!0 -
PastorVincent wrote: »Camaramandy648 wrote: »
How was running in the rain? We had rain here yesterday too but I ran indoors. I wasn't sure what gear I would need or how to decrease my misery....
It was good. I've found the hardest part for me is getting out of my car or house and getting started. After that I really don't notice it so much.
So true. IF I am running and it starts raining, I am fine. BUT If I am sitting in the house and looking out at the rain, I am like "ugh no way." Silliness.
This. This is me too.0 -
Camaramandy648 wrote: »All right. I've been back at it for a few/ several weeks and I can feel myself getting stronger again. I've run several 5ks and one HM on accident (my fiance and I got lost as I was new to the area and he had never run anything in his life) but I haven't been as consistent as I once was for all the same reasons/ excuses as everyone else. Single mom, kids, one with special needs, etc. etc. But I've forced myself to make time for the gym, being healthy, learning, and running. Repeat.
I happened upon a Ted talk about a guy who was a regular guy once and decided to run with his office mate. Now, a little later, the guy is an ultra-marathoner. This inspired me. I've been dreaming about running. It's all I can think about.
Yesterday I happened upon a Ted talk about a woman named Debbie Gibson who ran her first marathon in Arizona - the Rock n Roll marathon. Now she's an ultra runner too.
Of course this sent me on the path to read about the Rock N Roll marathon. I have family in Nashville so I decided I may as well do it. I've done much harder things in my life and have overcome so much more. The 20th mile will still not hold a candle to my darkest hours. It will be horrible and glorious but I think I can really finish it! It's six months away! I woke up already committed in my head and my heart to go for it, so I texted my big brother and my sisters to say, "This is what I'm doing and I'm telling you so that I will have a point of accountability and a sense of the reality of it."
So here we go.
I was reading about training plans - where to start, etc. I am running three times a week right now. The training plans conflict what you all are saying about having shorter long runs. The training plans seem intense. I am not too concerned about time - I am concerned about FINISHING WELL.
As an aside - my right ankle has the throbbing feeling ... I don't know if it's an actual sprain - it's just sore with some throbbing. Not sure if I should attempt another run tonight?
Do it! You can. I never thought I could do a half and I did. Now of course I want to do another.0 -
katharmonic wrote: »Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
10/01/19 :::: 4.8 :::: 4.8
10/02/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 7.8
10/03/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 7.8
10/04/19 :::: 3.1 :::: 10.8
10/05/19 :::: 10.1 :::: 21.0
10/06/19 :::: 1.0 :::: 22.0
10/07/19 :::: 2.7 :::: 24.7
10/08/19 :::: 3.4 :::: 28.1
10/09/19 :::: 3.2 :::: 31.2
10/10/19 :::: 2.2 :::: 33.4
10/11/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 33.4
10/12/19 :::: 5.1 :::: 38.5
10/13/19 :::: 3.2 :::: 41.7
10/14/19 :::: 3.4 :::: 45.1
10/15/19 :::: 0.0 :::: 45.1
10/16/19 :::: 3.0 :::: 48.1
Rest day yesterday and easy treadmill miles today. I went to a yoga class after the run and it felt pretty good, but made me realize I'm pretty tight. I'll have to work on stretching the next couple of days.
Tomorrow I fly to Kansas City for the beginnings of the big I-35 Challenge weekend. I have like 3 different outfits for each race packed, and I am still worried about not having the right thing. The forecast is improving, but there is still rain predicted for early morning on Saturday - really hoping this goes away but I did order some disposable rain ponchos for standing around before the start at least.
10/19/2019 I-35 Challenge KC Half Marathon, Kansas City MO
10/20/2019 I-35 Challenge DSM Half Marathon, Des Moines, IA
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martaindale wrote: »Did my longest training run (and longest distance ever) today, 12 miles!! While it was hard, I feel like it showed me that even if things aren't great on race day, I can definitely finish it and be ok.
My husband and I waited for some weather to blow through and started about 11am. Mistake 1. I had a snack (Clif Bar) before heading out but we ran a little over 2 hours, which means we ran through the time I would usually eat lunch. My blood sugar is tenuous in general and has been most of my life. I manage this by eating about 6 times a day in my day to day life. Just constantly eating. When running I eat at about 50-55 minutes in then every 20-30 minutes for the rest of the run. Mistake 2. Didn't bring enough blocks. My blood sugar started tanking around mile 4. I could feel it coming so I ate a couple of my blocks, that I would usually have eaten in about 1-1.5 miles. Felt better, but then I needed my others earlier than scheduled. I even took one of my husband's (with permission) because he felt like he could do without and I definitely couldn't. Mistake 3. Should have worn an actual hat instead of a visor and maybe a thicker shirt or some sleeves. I was cold the entire time, and not in a refreshing cool air way. More like I started shivering if we had to stop to wait for a traffic light. Temp wise I was probably dressed ok, but it was really damp and windy and it felt soooo much colder.
So, yeah, it kind of sucked but I did it. Chances are fewer of these things will go wrong on the actual race day.
10/2: 3.2 miles
10/7: 4.6 miles
10/9: 3.3 miles
10/12: 10.7 miles
10/13: 3 miles
10/14: 5 miles
10/16: 12 miles
Oct total: 41.8 miles
Oct goal: 70 miles
2019 Races:
Piney Woods Trailfest 5k - 2/2/2019 29.23
Rodeo Run 10k - 2/23/2019 1:03.12
Run Houston! Minute Maid Park 10k - 3/23/2019 1:01.28
Brazos Bend 50 10k - 4/6/2019 1:15:33
Run for Life 5k - 9/7/2019 27.10
10 for Texas 10 Miler - 10/2019 1:46:35
Wine and Dine half marathon - 11/3/2019 registered
Run the Year 2019 - Team Five for Nineteen - FINISHED!!
You certainly will be prepared now. You battled through it, which is great!0 -
The longest I ran in training for my half was 12 miles. And as @PastorVincent mentioned, I usually hit a wall at 10..
And those last 2 or 3 art the toughest. So I agree.
Day 3 no run. Foot getting better, walked a mile on the treadmill. Tried to run for a few minutes because I don't listen, and actually foot hurt less when running?
At any rate. Looks way better now - swelling has gone down as well as the bruising. With any luck I'll try to go out on the weekend and see how I will do.
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I want to lose 100 lbs, then run a sub-three marathon in the M55-59 Age Group.10
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PastorVincent wrote: »I will blow your mind and tell you that most people that can run a half can run a full.
I do not endorse that method of training, but I personally know more than one person that has done just that. At least one that made a wrong turn on a half race and ended up on the full course, which he finished (but still got a DNF for the half)
I personally ran my first 10-mile race after having a max "long-run" of 4 miles.
IMO, though, most runners talk about hitting a "wall" at say mile 20 in the marathon or mile 10 in the half, and guess about where their long runs ended about? It might be a coincidence, but I am not so sure it is.
There are good reasons to run less in training. In training you are running, by design, if you follow the plan, every long run on tired legs. You are, by design, pushing the edges of your limits. And the more you do that, the more likely you are to get hurt. By shortening the max long run, you significantly reduce that chance.
@PastorVincent this isn't directed at you because I know you know this, but your post triggered these thoughts.
There's running a marathon and then there's running a marathon well. By well I don't mean fast, I mean doing it without unnecessary pain and suffering. I talked to one guy who "ran" a marathon with NO training on a bet. He finished, but he was a hurtin' boy. If you don't get in your long runs to allow your body to make the adaptions needed for a marathon, yes you will reduce your chance of injury during training but you will increase your chance of injury and pain during the race. The key is finding the sweet spot between under training and over training.
The better you train, the better your race. My opinion is that a good marathon training plan should include long runs every week, including two runs of 20-22 miles (or up to a 4 hour run, whichever comes first). 3 out of every 4 weeks should include long runs longer than the one before. The fourth one would be shorter as a part of a cutback week. A good marathon training plan should also incorporate speed and hill work once per week, and include strength work for legs and core. Key for successful long runs is to build them up slowly. If you're starting training with your long runs at 10 miles, I'd add no more than 2 miles for each subsequent long run. If you're starting with shorter long runs, add only 1 mile per long run until you reach a 10 mile long run.
No one does a training run of marathon length, at marathon pace, so when you finally get to your first marathon, you're doing something your body had never done before. The taper before race will help you by providing a nice recovery phase, but after 20 miles in the race, even if you get your nutrition right, fatigue and muscle fiber breakdown will be an issue and you will slow down. I don't consider this "hitting the wall", or bonking, I consider this simply muscle fatigue. The definition I've heard most off for "hitting the wall" is when you draw down your glycogen supply so much you body can barely walk, much less run.
From Runner's World: https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20854502/understanding-why-you-hit-the-wall/
If you can't get through the paywall:In general, hitting the wall refers to depleting your stored glycogen and the feelings of fatigue and negativity that typically accompany it. Glycogen is carbohydrate that is stored in our muscles and liver for energy. It is the easiest and most readily available fuel source to burn when exercising, so the body prefers it. When you run low on glycogen, even your brain wants to shut down activity as a preservation method, which leads to the negative thinking that comes along with hitting the wall.
Or another description from NYUHarold Pino, senior exercise physiologist at NYU Langone Medical Center’s Sports Performance Center, said that "hitting the wall" is generally thought to be the point when the body runs out of easy carbohydrates to process and will simply stop functioning properly.
This doesn't mean your heart will give out but that you'll feel extreme fatigue, disorientation and weakness.
"It’s when your body runs out of sugars to use as energy," Pino told ABC News. "It’s a feeling of severe weakness and severe fatigue."
It would be a rare case to hit the wall in the half marathon, at least by these definitions. You're just not running far enough or long enough to deplete your glycogen stores. You may experience muscle fatigue however.
To get a better understanding of what it's like to hit the wall, watch this video. It's not pleasant.
PastorVincent wrote: »Yeah, which is why I do a 50k training plan for a Marathon now. The long-run in a 50k plan is 26 miles
Wait a minute...I thought you were a proponent of less running for a marathon, then I see this?eleanorhawkins wrote: »Me too! While a lot of people will tell you "if you can run 10 miles you can run a HM" I really regretted not having gone further in training. I think the knowledge that you can go the distance is very good for calming nerves!
I agree, and it also better prepares your body. For a HM, if you have the time for a proper build up, I don't think there's any reason not to train up to the actual HM distance and beyond. My longest training run for my first HM was 18 miles. It prepared me well for a great first HM race.
@Camaramandy648 AWESOME!!! You can do certainly do it! So you have about 28 weeks if I can count properly. I'd look for a 24 week plan that starts near the amount of running your doing now. If it starts with less miles per week, you can double up weeks, if it starts with more miles per week, you have some time to build up to it. I always recommend having a plan with a shorter time frame than you have. If you have 28 weeks and a 24 week plan, that gives you some cushion in case sickness or injury take you out of running for a bit. If it turns out you don't need the extra weeks, you can simply repeat weeks or have a slightly slower buildup. Feel free to post links to plans you're considering if you want input from us.
As far as your ankle, if you're questioning whether you should run tonight, you probably shouldn't.
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No run for me last night. I decided to heed @MobyCarp 's advice and take an extra day. Soccer game tonight so it will be a late run after that, probably starting around 10pm.
My son in college isn't coming home this weekend for fall break so that's freed up some time. If tonight's run goes well I'll be pacing a friend during for part of her first 100 mile attempt. I'd pick her up sometime after 50 miles so it will likely be mostly power hiking, which suits me fine. I also got a hall pass to do the Glacier Hills 50K in South Dakota next week so after tonight's run, if all goes well, I'll sign up for that.
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PastorVincent wrote: »I will blow your mind and tell you that most people that can run a half can run a full. I do not endorse that method of training, but I personally know more than one person that has done just that. At least one that made a wrong turn on a half race and ended up on the full course, which he finished (but still got a DNF for the half)
I personally ran my first 10-mile race after having a max "long-run" of 4 miles.
IMO, though, most runners talk about hitting a "wall" at say mile 20 in the marathon or mile 10 in the half, and guess about where their long runs ended about? It might be a coincidence, but I am not so sure it is.
There are good reasons to run less in training. In training you are running, by design, if you follow the plan, every long run on tired legs. You are, by design, pushing the edges of your limits. And the more you do that, the more likely you are to get hurt. By shortening the max long run, you significantly reduce that chance.
@PastorVincent this isn't directed at you because I know you know this, but your post triggered these thoughts.
There's running a marathon and then there's running a marathon well. By well I don't mean fast, I mean doing it without unnecessary pain and suffering. I talked to one guy who "ran" a marathon with NO training on a bet. He finished, but he was a hurtin' boy. If you don't get in your long runs to allow your body to make the adaptions needed for a marathon, yes you will reduce your chance of injury during training but you will increase your chance of injury and pain during the race. The key is finding the sweet spot between under training and over training.
The better you train, the better your race. My opinion is that a good marathon training plan should include long runs every week, including two runs of 20-22 miles (or up to a 4 hour run, whichever comes first). 3 out of every 4 weeks should include long runs longer than the one before. The fourth one would be shorter as a part of a cutback week. A good marathon training plan should also incorporate speed and hill work once per week, and include strength work for legs and core. Key for successful long runs is to build them up slowly. If you're starting training with your long runs at 10 miles, I'd add no more than 2 miles for each subsequent long run. If you're starting with shorter long runs, add only 1 mile per long run until you reach a 10 mile long run.
No one does a training run of marathon length, at marathon pace, so when you finally get to your first marathon, you're doing something your body had never done before. The taper before race will help you by providing a nice recovery phase, but after 20 miles in the race, even if you get your nutrition right, fatigue and muscle fiber breakdown will be an issue and you will slow down. I don't consider this "hitting the wall", or bonking, I consider this simply muscle fatigue. The definition I've heard most off for "hitting the wall" is when you draw down your glycogen supply so much you body can barely walk, much less run.
From Runner's World: https://www.runnersworld.com/training/a20854502/understanding-why-you-hit-the-wall/
If you can't get through the paywall:In general, hitting the wall refers to depleting your stored glycogen and the feelings of fatigue and negativity that typically accompany it. Glycogen is carbohydrate that is stored in our muscles and liver for energy. It is the easiest and most readily available fuel source to burn when exercising, so the body prefers it. When you run low on glycogen, even your brain wants to shut down activity as a preservation method, which leads to the negative thinking that comes along with hitting the wall.
Or another description from NYUHarold Pino, senior exercise physiologist at NYU Langone Medical Center’s Sports Performance Center, said that "hitting the wall" is generally thought to be the point when the body runs out of easy carbohydrates to process and will simply stop functioning properly.
This doesn't mean your heart will give out but that you'll feel extreme fatigue, disorientation and weakness.
"It’s when your body runs out of sugars to use as energy," Pino told ABC News. "It’s a feeling of severe weakness and severe fatigue."
It would be a rare case to hit the wall in the half marathon, at least by these definitions. You're just not running far enough or long enough to deplete your glycogen stores. You may experience muscle fatigue however.
To get a better understanding of what it's like to hit the wall, watch this video. It's not pleasant.
PastorVincent wrote: »Yeah, which is why I do a 50k training plan for a Marathon now. The long-run in a 50k plan is 26 miles
Wait a minute...I thought you were a proponent of less running for a marathon, then I see this?
@7Lenny7, we do not disagree.
I put "wall" in quotes because I meant the colloquial use, which is more of a mental wall than a biological one. Almost no one in the non-elite circles ever means the definition you quote. At least not in my experience.
I am not a "proponent of running less" - I merely said it could be done, and that I know people (plural) that have done it. In fact, the one I meet up with last year that did it was in way better shape than I was in at the finish, though they were several hours behind me. So there is that
To be clear: I do not advise it.
But over the last year maybe two, I have moved to suggesting people use 50k training plans for a marathon unless it is there first go at it. In your first marathon, your goal should be to finish without injury, and a more conservative plan is better for that. After that, if you want to get better, then you have to train harder.
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@Camaramandy648 AWESOME!!! You can do certainly do it! So you have about 28 weeks if I can count properly. I'd look for a 24 week plan that starts near the amount of running your doing now. If it starts with less miles per week, you can double up weeks, if it starts with more miles per week, you have some time to build up to it. I always recommend having a plan with a shorter time frame than you have. If you have 28 weeks and a 24 week plan, that gives you some cushion in case sickness or injury take you out of running for a bit. If it turns out you don't need the extra weeks, you can simply repeat weeks or have a slightly slower buildup. Feel free to post links to plans you're considering if you want input from us.
As far as your ankle, if you're questioning whether you should run tonight, you probably shouldn't.
Definitely take care of that ankle. Like said above, if it hurts to run on it, do not run on it.
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Interesting. @7lenny7, @PastorVincent
"Hitting the wall" as described in your post is different from the muscles just getting tired. So given that runs longer than 10 miles and I slow down or it gets tougher - it's because of the latter I guess then. Makes sense as I think I fuel enough to last before and during the run.
So, are we saying that I need to run longer distances in order to perform better - the furthest I have gone is the HM?0 -
hamsterwheel6 wrote: »Interesting. @7lenny7, @PastorVincent
"Hitting the wall" as described in your post is different from the muscles just getting tired. So given that runs longer than 10 miles and I slow down or it gets tougher - it's because of the latter I guess then. Makes sense as I think I fuel enough to last before and during the run.
So, are we saying that I need to run longer distances in order to perform better - the furthest I have gone is the HM?
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PastorVincent wrote: »@7Lenny7, we do not disagree.
I put "wall" in quotes because I meant the colloquial use, which is more of a mental wall than a biological one. Almost no one in the non-elite circles ever means the definition you quote. At least not in my experience.
I am not a "proponent of running less" - I merely said it could be done, and that I know people (plural) that have done it. In fact, the one I meet up with last year that did it was in way better shape than I was in at the finish, though they were several hours behind me. So there is that
To be clear: I do not advise it.
But over the last year maybe two, I have moved to suggesting people use 50k training plans for a marathon unless it is there first go at it. In your first marathon, your goal should be to finish without injury, and a more conservative plan is better for that. After that, if you want to get better, then you have to train harder.
@PastorVincent Got it, thanks for setting me straight. When you said there were good reasons for running less, I though you were recommending it.
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hamsterwheel6 wrote: »Interesting. @7lenny7, @PastorVincent
"Hitting the wall" as described in your post is different from the muscles just getting tired. So given that runs longer than 10 miles and I slow down or it gets tougher - it's because of the latter I guess then. Makes sense as I think I fuel enough to last before and during the run.
So, are we saying that I need to run longer distances in order to perform better - the furthest I have gone is the HM?
@hamsterwheel6 we improve in running by destroying our bodies. Ok, maybe it's not that dramatic, but in a sense it's true.
Whether it be running, lifting weights, or any other physical activity, when we push our body to the limit it breaks down body tissue. Muscle fibers are destroyed. Bones and tendons become inflamed. Our body responds by healing and rebuilding those systems stronger than before. Repeatedly pushing those limits repeats the cycle of destruction and rebuilding. It's how we get faster, stronger, better. It is also why we need to respect the recovery phase. If we don't allow our bodies to properly recover and rebuild, it interrupts the process and invites injury and fatigue.
The biggest challenge we face is finding that line between pushing our bodies enough to rebuild stronger and pushing our bodies too much and getting injured. It's a bend but don't break kind of thing.
It's not just as simple as the long run though. The long run mainly uses slow twitch muscle fibers. Once those fibers start giving out in the later stages of a long run, then the body starts recruiting more fast twitch muscle fibers, and if the fast twitch fibers are not used to the hard work, they quickly get fatigued. That's where speed work comes in. Speed work (intervals, repeats, tempo runs) mostly involves fast-twitch muscles and by giving them a workout, they're better able to keep us going during a marathon or other long run.
But to your question, when you run any distance race for the first time it is unlikely that your body has ever felt that combination distance and pace, so you will most likely be destroying muscle fibers and getting fatigued. To mitigate this, a combination of running distances in training longer than race distance to build slow twitch fibers, and quality speed work to build fast twitch fibers, could help you perform better as long as your have adequate recovery. It also helps to run fast finish long runs where your last 6 miles of a 16 mile long run, just for example, are run at your desired race pace. Now we're really taxing our system, getting them used to the pace when fatigued, and allowing for some good body tissue rebuilds.
For a HM, it's very feasible to incorporate long runs which are longer than the HM distance, provided you have enough time to properly build up to that distance, and properly recover after those runs. For a full marathon, it becomes problematic to do that because the recovery time would take so long it would impact your running for a longer period and increases your chance of injury.
And having said all that, injury has done far more to reduce my race performance than not pushing hard enough in training. Training smart, conservatively, and consistently is the best thing you can do for your race performance. There are a multitude of factors that determine race performance so you can't point to any one thing and say - "Do this and all will be wonderful". The more I run, and race, the more I'm learning it's really a holistic process.8 -
hamsterwheel6 wrote: »Interesting. @7lenny7, @PastorVincent
"Hitting the wall" as described in your post is different from the muscles just getting tired. So given that runs longer than 10 miles and I slow down or it gets tougher - it's because of the latter I guess then. Makes sense as I think I fuel enough to last before and during the run.
So, are we saying that I need to run longer distances in order to perform better - the furthest I have gone is the HM?
This is correct, but many do casually use the phrase to describe the point at which muscle fatigue prevents you from keeping up your pace, even though you may have the endurance, no matter what the distance is. In my first marathon I kept a very steady 9:00 pace from 0 to 16 miles, dropped to 9:30 from 16 to 21, then from 10:00 to 11:10 to the end. It was all muscle fatigue. My heart rate dropped accordingly to the point where at the end of the race, it was just a bit over my easy run HR. My cardiovascular system was doing great but I couldn't get my legs to move any faster. Some would call that hitting the wall, I call that muscle fatigue.
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I agree with all of the discussion on HM and Marathon training runs. The best HM I have run was when I was in that 'always HM ready' shape and was regularly running long runs of 14-16 miles. The 13 miles of the HM did not seem nearly so long then. I am hoping to get back to that point, before my next HM in November and if not then by Surf City in February.7
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Today is an intentional, though unplanned, rest day. I did yoga last night, and walked the dogs about a mile this morning, relatively slowly and with lots of stops for sniffing things. My lower back is still grumpy, but not as much as it was. I had been considering a run at lunchtime but I'll follow @MobyCarp's (and all of your) wisdom and just take a rest day.
Also, I just want to say, I appreciate the conversation here lately... the great wisdom and experience being shared by the veteran runners. You guys are awesome.4 -
@7lenny7 Thank you for that, makes sense. And I have started speed work/intervals so hopefully that will help, and some tempo runs but still need to find that pace.
I tend to agree with the muscle fatigue as to why my pace slows down near the end, because otherwise endurance wise I feel fine and could go longer I imagine..my legs though don’t want to lol.
@PastorVincent goal is to be able to finish well time wise (for me) and mostly to finish strong, meaning not be so tired the last 2-3 miles
Agreed good discussion here. Thank you guys!0 -
hamsterwheel6 wrote: »@7lenny7 Thank you for that, makes sense. And I have started speed work/intervals so hopefully that will help, and some tempo runs but still need to find that pace.
I tend to agree with the muscle fatigue as to why my pace slows down near the end, because otherwise endurance wise I feel fine and could go longer I imagine..my legs though don’t want to lol.
@PastorVincent goal is to be able to finish well time wise (for me) and mostly to finish strong, meaning not be so tired the last 2-3 miles
Agreed good discussion here. Thank you guys!
What distance race are we talking about? Sorry, it is hard for me to keep up sometimes 0
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