The Game Changers
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Dazzlle22
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Anyone else who has seen the documentary "The Game Changers?" If so, what are your thoughts on it?
I personally found it quite interesting and the plant-based diet may give a better protein intake (if what they've presented accurate) but I don't think we should blame meat or see it as an enemy. What do you think?
I personally found it quite interesting and the plant-based diet may give a better protein intake (if what they've presented accurate) but I don't think we should blame meat or see it as an enemy. What do you think?
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I watched it because I tend to navigate to anything fitness/diet/exercise related. I liked it. Had a few questions though...primarily
In the sports world where any fraction of a second, any little advantage that can be gained has been studied over and over again why has something as simple as this not been investigated before? I don't disagree that we probably should eat less meat and dairy, but I don't think it is because we would be better athletes for it.
Coincidentally I happened to watch a different documentary with a similar concept, namely that a primarily plant based diet is beneficial to overall health. The other doc (can't remember the name offhand) was discussing how if we were to look at the different Blue Zones throughout the planet (towns where people live significantly longer than everywhere else) we would find that they pretty much all make plant based, whole foods the staple of their diets. They certainly don't avoid meat and dairy at all costs but they definitely limit their consumption. This to me was a better message, and probably more in line with my overall goals. Eat less red meat and dairy, eat more whole grains, beans and fruits/veggies.
Then again, these Blue Zones also happened to be located in pretty awesome island, coastal regions where the air, quality of life, stress, abundance of fresh produce, fish etc also contributed to a better way of life. Documentaries can be so one sided, and usually have an agenda but they are entertaining and create some nice debate and discussion.14 -
I agree, reducing red meat and dairy from your diet will have a great inpact on your health.
Honestly I find these "Meat isn't good for you" or "You can't eat plants all your life" wars so pointless. If you want to take your protein from meat or from plants then it's up to you, as long as you eat healthy and choose the leaner and less-modified foods you should be good
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riffraff2112 wrote: »I watched it because I tend to navigate to anything fitness/diet/exercise related. I liked it. Had a few questions though...primarily
In the sports world where any fraction of a second, any little advantage that can be gained has been studied over and over again why has something as simple as this not been investigated before? I don't disagree that we probably should eat less meat and dairy, but I don't think it is because we would be better athletes for it.
Coincidentally I happened to watch a different documentary with a similar concept, namely that a primarily plant based diet is beneficial to overall health. The other doc (can't remember the name offhand) was discussing how if we were to look at the different Blue Zones throughout the planet (towns where people live significantly longer than everywhere else) we would find that they pretty much all make plant based, whole foods the staple of their diets. They certainly don't avoid meat and dairy at all costs but they definitely limit their consumption. This to me was a better message, and probably more in line with my overall goals. Eat less red meat and dairy, eat more whole grains, beans and fruits/veggies.
Then again, these Blue Zones also happened to be located in pretty awesome island, coastal regions where the air, quality of life, stress, abundance of fresh produce, fish etc also contributed to a better way of life. Documentaries can be so one sided, and usually have an agenda but they are entertaining and create some nice debate and discussion.
Agree with all this.3 -
<---- Continually bangs head on desk...11
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Why the banging?1
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Because people are STILL debating this film..... It boggles the mind!7
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Meat based proteins are much higher quality than plant based. They have higher levels of Luecine which stimulate muscle protein synthesis. So for muscle growth, you would need more protein on a plant based diet than you would on a meat based diet. Given the evidence supports the benefits of both meat and dairy, it would be hard pressed to say its beneficial to reduce it.9
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We have no less than (and I think more than) 3 threads about this documentary going here. This one, I thought, had some good stuff in it:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10770007/anyone-watch-the-game-changers-documentary
In particular, I think the video that's in what's currently the last post on that thread is an interesting counterpoint from Layne Norton's organization. Yeah, it's nerdy talking-head stuff vs. a gripping Netflix film (?), but anyone who wants some solid information (that should've been in a more balanced documentary in the first place) might benefit from spending the 41 minutes and change that it takes to watch it, before launching on vegan eating to improve athletic performance. I'll even repeat the link here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6Ju_HdWB0Y
And I don't even eat meat. Haven't - at least not knowinly or on purpose - in 45 years, so trust me, I'm not here to shill for Big Meat.
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ETA: The full write-up, for those who like reading words, is here:
https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/the-game-changers-review-a-scientific-analysis/
(And it doesn't precisely recap the YouTube video; it includes other info.)10 -
You've started a number of threads OP some of which seem a little concerning.
It sounds to me like you're looking for a short cut, some magic bullet that's going to do the work for you or some super-secret that will fix everything. That's, unfortunately not how it works.
In order to lose weigh you need to create a sustainable and appropriate calorie deficit. No particular diet, no one approach, no specific food you add or eliminate, no macro split or eating pattern is inherently better than another and will somehow magically 'just work'. It's all about doing the work, find out what works for you then doing it.8 -
Yes, I've asked quite a lot of questions here, but don't worry, I know that there is no other way to lose weight other than having a healthy diet and creating a calorie deficit for yourself, I'm just curious about some things and wanted to know what others have experienced during they "journey" with healthy lifestyle.
Thank you for all of your responses, they've been helpful and quite interesting to read, good luck to everyone trying to lose/maintain/gain weight! 4 -
psychod787 wrote: »Because people are STILL debating this film..... It boggles the mind!
It's just the hot new thing. There's always sensible counterpoints in the threads.8 -
Meat based proteins are much higher quality than plant based. They have higher levels of Luecine which stimulate muscle protein synthesis. So for muscle growth, you would need more protein on a plant based diet than you would on a meat based diet. Given the evidence supports the benefits of both meat and dairy, it would be hard pressed to say its beneficial to reduce it.
Soy, beans, and some other plants based sources, are high in luecine. Most plant based proteins are not complete, but that doesn't mean that you need "more of them" necessarily. It means you need a diversity of sources, as different plant based sources have different groups of essential amino acids. So one shouldn't just eat wheat gluten all day. But as long as you get your complete amino acids from different sources, I'm not sure there is real evidence that you need "more".12 -
Anyone watch the netflix series "explained"? They recently had an episode on meat and the consumption of meat. They spoke about how once meat hits the grocery stores there is more protein in vegetables and legumes. Another interesting fact was about the amount of meat people consume today versus almost 100 years ago. Its 15 minutes or so, if this topic interests you, watch it. I, myself was vegetarian for 13 years. I went back to eating meat just because where I lived at the time, its what I had to eat and not much else. I was telling my husband recently that I've considered going back because I felt healthier and stronger as a vegetarian. Albeit I was also younger. There is a lot to be said health wise either way you tip the scale.3
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Meat based proteins are much higher quality than plant based. They have higher levels of Luecine which stimulate muscle protein synthesis. So for muscle growth, you would need more protein on a plant based diet than you would on a meat based diet. Given the evidence supports the benefits of both meat and dairy, it would be hard pressed to say its beneficial to reduce it.
Soy, beans, and some other plants based sources, are high in luecine. Most plant based proteins are not complete, but that doesn't mean that you need "more of them" necessarily. It means you need a diversity of sources, as different plant based sources have different groups of essential amino acids. So one shouldn't just eat wheat gluten all day. But as long as you get your complete amino acids from different sources, I'm not sure there is real evidence that you need "more".
Speaking as a long-term vegetarian, I think there's a decent argument for eating a little more, for practical reasons. Unless one eats almost entirely complete veggie sources (which is kinda boring, frankly), then one's chasing amino acid balance across multiple foods and meals.
One can do some more formal/structured counting or combining to achieve this, but to my mind it's easier and more practical to target a handful more protein grams (i.e., not massively many more grams, but some), to create some wiggle room, along with pursuing variety and using traditional rule-of-thumb combining in an approximate way.
Personally, while I like the 0.6-0.8g protein per pound of healthy goal weight (0.8-1g/lb LBM) range, I routinely eat at the top end of that or a little over, partly for this balancing reason.
Eating a few more protein grams on a veg diet isn't something I (or @psuLemon AFAIK) made up. Some of the conservative veg nutrition sources suggest it.6 -
We tried one of those plant based hamburger products a week or so ago. It was being marketed as tasting like beef. Well it didn't taste like plant protein but it didn't taste like beef either. To boot it was $10.00 for a package of 2 patties (it was on sale for 4 patties for $10.00 the week that we tried it). I like vegetarian food but I am not sure that the hype matches the product.3
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CalgaryMac wrote: »We tried one of those plant based hamburger products a week or so ago. It was being marketed as tasting like beef. Well it didn't taste like plant protein but it didn't taste like beef either. To boot it was $10.00 for a package of 2 patties (it was on sale for 4 patties for $10.00 the week that we tried it). I like vegetarian food but I am not sure that the hype matches the product.
@CalgaryMac what was the brand?0 -
saresimsr36 wrote: »Anyone watch the netflix series "explained"? They recently had an episode on meat and the consumption of meat. They spoke about how once meat hits the grocery stores there is more protein in vegetables and legumes. Another interesting fact was about the amount of meat people consume today versus almost 100 years ago. Its 15 minutes or so, if this topic interests you, watch it. I, myself was vegetarian for 13 years. I went back to eating meat just because where I lived at the time, its what I had to eat and not much else. I was telling my husband recently that I've considered going back because I felt healthier and stronger as a vegetarian. Albeit I was also younger. There is a lot to be said health wise either way you tip the scale.
How much protein is in vegetables and legumes vs meat is going to depend on how much of each.
100 g of lean skinless chicken breast (raw) has 120 cal, 22.5 g of protein.
100 g of uncooked lentils have 352 cal, 25 g of protein.
100 g of cooked lentils have 114 cal, 9 g protein.
This is an example as to why many find meat the easiest way to get protein.
Of course, it's perfectly possible to get plenty on a 100% plant-based diet too, I've done it for periods of time (felt neither better nor worse, though, although I find having some meat in my diet easier to feel satisfied on).5 -
Been plant-based for the last 12 days (ever since we watched Game Changers) and LOVING IT!!!
Down 5lbs (scale was creeping up because I have been medically prohibited from exercising for the last month). I am NOT eating vegan meat replacement/processed foods for the most part. I am eating a huge variety of whole foods- while my diet has much more in the way of carbs, I feel better, and I'm sleeping better.
Since then I've watched several other documentaries about how animals on feedlots are handled (Cows are kept PREGNANT the entire time they're giving milk- that must deplete nutrients and add hormones). The statistic in the US is that 1 in 6 dairy cows die from udder infections- think about the "allowable amount of pus and blood per oz" when you eat that cheese.
I can't even look at bacon after seeing how pigs are processed, and chicken... all that to say that after watching how these animals are tortured into hunks of meat that we get protein from, my stomach turns at the thought of ingesting it. I'm done with animal products, though I don't tell people unless asked why, and if we're eating I speak to this very generally.
My husband and I shop together and cook together now, and we've been having a blast being creative together. We don't preach to others or try to persuade them to this lifestyle (our xmas party is going to be full of the meat and cheese in our fridge to be consumed by our carniverous friends, and I'm going to cook it for them).
I definitely mention GameChangers as the thing that kicked us off though.9 -
Been plant-based for the last 12 days (ever since we watched Game Changers) and LOVING IT!!!
Down 5lbs (scale was creeping up because I have been medically prohibited from exercising for the last month). I am NOT eating vegan meat replacement/processed foods for the most part. I am eating a huge variety of whole foods- while my diet has much more in the way of carbs, I feel better, and I'm sleeping better.
Since then I've watched several other documentaries about how animals on feedlots are handled (Cows are kept PREGNANT the entire time they're giving milk- that must deplete nutrients and add hormones). The statistic in the US is that 1 in 6 dairy cows die from udder infections- think about the "allowable amount of pus and blood per oz" when you eat that cheese.
I can't even look at bacon after seeing how pigs are processed, and chicken... all that to say that after watching how these animals are tortured into hunks of meat that we get protein from, my stomach turns at the thought of ingesting it. I'm done with animal products, though I don't tell people unless asked why, and if we're eating I speak to this very generally.
My husband and I shop together and cook together now, and we've been having a blast being creative together. We don't preach to others or try to persuade them to this lifestyle (our xmas party is going to be full of the meat and cheese in our fridge to be consumed by our carniverous friends, and I'm going to cook it for them).
I definitely mention GameChangers as the thing that kicked us off though.
telling people to "think about the allowable amount of pus and blood per oz when you eat the cheese" doesn't count as preaching to others about the lifestyle? lol. ok then..22 -
Been plant-based for the last 12 days (ever since we watched Game Changers) and LOVING IT!!!
Down 5lbs (scale was creeping up because I have been medically prohibited from exercising for the last month). I am NOT eating vegan meat replacement/processed foods for the most part. I am eating a huge variety of whole foods- while my diet has much more in the way of carbs, I feel better, and I'm sleeping better.
Since then I've watched several other documentaries about how animals on feedlots are handled (Cows are kept PREGNANT the entire time they're giving milk- that must deplete nutrients and add hormones). The statistic in the US is that 1 in 6 dairy cows die from udder infections- think about the "allowable amount of pus and blood per oz" when you eat that cheese.
I can't even look at bacon after seeing how pigs are processed, and chicken... all that to say that after watching how these animals are tortured into hunks of meat that we get protein from, my stomach turns at the thought of ingesting it. I'm done with animal products, though I don't tell people unless asked why, and if we're eating I speak to this very generally.
My husband and I shop together and cook together now, and we've been having a blast being creative together. We don't preach to others or try to persuade them to this lifestyle (our xmas party is going to be full of the meat and cheese in our fridge to be consumed by our carniverous friends, and I'm going to cook it for them).
I definitely mention GameChangers as the thing that kicked us off though.
Not sure which vegan propaganda site is still promoting this BS but it isn't even remotely true.18
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