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Muscleflex79 wrote: »Been plant-based for the last 12 days (ever since we watched Game Changers) and LOVING IT!!!
Down 5lbs (scale was creeping up because I have been medically prohibited from exercising for the last month). I am NOT eating vegan meat replacement/processed foods for the most part. I am eating a huge variety of whole foods- while my diet has much more in the way of carbs, I feel better, and I'm sleeping better.
Since then I've watched several other documentaries about how animals on feedlots are handled (Cows are kept PREGNANT the entire time they're giving milk- that must deplete nutrients and add hormones). The statistic in the US is that 1 in 6 dairy cows die from udder infections- think about the "allowable amount of pus and blood per oz" when you eat that cheese.
I can't even look at bacon after seeing how pigs are processed, and chicken... all that to say that after watching how these animals are tortured into hunks of meat that we get protein from, my stomach turns at the thought of ingesting it. I'm done with animal products, though I don't tell people unless asked why, and if we're eating I speak to this very generally.
My husband and I shop together and cook together now, and we've been having a blast being creative together. We don't preach to others or try to persuade them to this lifestyle (our xmas party is going to be full of the meat and cheese in our fridge to be consumed by our carniverous friends, and I'm going to cook it for them).
I definitely mention GameChangers as the thing that kicked us off though.
telling people to "think about the allowable amount of pus and blood per oz when you eat the cheese" doesn't count as preaching to others about the lifestyle? lol. ok then..
Personally I think the blood and pus lends a certain something to the flavor profile of cheeses.13 -
Been plant-based for the last 12 days (ever since we watched Game Changers) and LOVING IT!!!
Down 5lbs (scale was creeping up because I have been medically prohibited from exercising for the last month). I am NOT eating vegan meat replacement/processed foods for the most part. I am eating a huge variety of whole foods- while my diet has much more in the way of carbs, I feel better, and I'm sleeping better.
Since then I've watched several other documentaries about how animals on feedlots are handled (Cows are kept PREGNANT the entire time they're giving milk- that must deplete nutrients and add hormones). The statistic in the US is that 1 in 6 dairy cows die from udder infections- think about the "allowable amount of pus and blood per oz" when you eat that cheese.
I can't even look at bacon after seeing how pigs are processed, and chicken... all that to say that after watching how these animals are tortured into hunks of meat that we get protein from, my stomach turns at the thought of ingesting it. I'm done with animal products, though I don't tell people unless asked why, and if we're eating I speak to this very generally.
My husband and I shop together and cook together now, and we've been having a blast being creative together. We don't preach to others or try to persuade them to this lifestyle (our xmas party is going to be full of the meat and cheese in our fridge to be consumed by our carniverous friends, and I'm going to cook it for them).
I definitely mention GameChangers as the thing that kicked us off though.
Supposedly the stat that in the US 1 in 6 dairy cows die from udder infections comes from https://www.aphis.usda.gov/animal_health/nahms/dairy/downloads/dairy14/Dairy14_dr_Mastitis.pdf but I don't have the patience to dig through it - anybody?0 -
Game Changers is complete propaganda. My partner is a sport scientist and quickly pointed out that:
One of the Olympic athletes they claimed won due to his vegan diet, was actually doping at the time and was caught out for it. He won because he was doping, not because of his diet.
The strong man competes in a class that doesn't require drug testing, so he's more likely he's crazy strong because he's doping, not because of his diet.15 -
I’ll just leave this here: I was a vegetarian for ten years, tried going vegan the last year. I never felt as awful, with bloating and blood sugar swings daily.
I started craving meat, and when I finally gave in—feeling incredibly guilty—I started feeling better.
I love animals and I don’t want to eat them. But, my body needs a high protein/high fat/low carb diet. I don’t tolerate processed foods well either. So, I eat meat, feel guilty, but feel well. I guess it’s a trade off. What works for one person may not work for the next.6 -
40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.6 -
40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.
So you cut out most of the processed food you were eating, eliminated animal products and lost weight and your health improved. Maybe you would have seen very similar improvements by simply reducing processed food and losing weight. My health has improved significantly by doing two of three of those things.15 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.
So you cut out most of the processed food you were eating, eliminated animal products and lost weight and your health improved. Maybe you would have seen very similar improvements by simply reducing processed food and losing weight. My health has improved significantly by doing two of three of those things.
No I eliminated all animal products.
Sure, if you're happy eating the rotting flesh of dead animals, fluid extracted from pregnant cows, chicken amniotic fluid, etc...and your health has improved significantly...thats your choice, good for you. I wish you well on your journey.
I prefer plants, and I know the difference in performance first hand. I know that I would not have the muscle recovery, energy, or gains that I am getting from a plant based diet.
I used to strength train/cardio 5 days a week in my 20's, and did not get the same results that I do now in my 40's 6-7 days a week.5 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.
So you cut out most of the processed food you were eating, eliminated animal products and lost weight and your health improved. Maybe you would have seen very similar improvements by simply reducing processed food and losing weight. My health has improved significantly by doing two of three of those things.
No I eliminated all animal products.
Sure, if you're happy eating the rotting flesh of dead animals, fluid extracted from pregnant cows, chicken amniotic fluid, etc...and your health has improved significantly...thats your choice, good for you. I wish you well on your journey.
I prefer plants, and I know the difference in performance first hand. I know that I would not have the muscle recovery, energy, or gains that I am getting from a plant based diet.
I used to strength train/cardio 5 days a week in my 20's, and did not get the same results that I do now in my 40's 6-7 days a week.
Your first post in this thread was actually well thought out and despite the fact that I do eat meat, I agreed with most of what you said because it makes sense. Then you went and replied with this drivel and just made yourself look like another crazy fanatic who buys into every piece of propaganda the anti animal products movement puts out. Contrary to what you may believe, most of us who consume animal products don't eat rotting flesh, we tend to prefer fresh meat. Its one thing to have your own beliefs, but when you start insulting others by exaggerating how disgusting their diet is, that's when you become an *kitten*. Its great that you found a diet that works for you, but that doesn't make you better than anyone else, or make their diets wrong. Personally, I would be sad if I wasn't allowed to eat cheese or bacon. I think that sounds terrible because they are absolutely delicious and they haven't hindered my performance in the least. Still, I wouldn't ever criticize someone else who eats differently, because ultimately people find success doing what works the best for them, not what others believe they should do.25 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.
So you cut out most of the processed food you were eating, eliminated animal products and lost weight and your health improved. Maybe you would have seen very similar improvements by simply reducing processed food and losing weight. My health has improved significantly by doing two of three of those things.
No I eliminated all animal products.
Sure, if you're happy eating the rotting flesh of dead animals, fluid extracted from pregnant cows, chicken amniotic fluid, etc...and your health has improved significantly...thats your choice, good for you. I wish you well on your journey.
I prefer plants, and I know the difference in performance first hand. I know that I would not have the muscle recovery, energy, or gains that I am getting from a plant based diet.
I used to strength train/cardio 5 days a week in my 20's, and did not get the same results that I do now in my 40's 6-7 days a week.
What's your intent with this post? When you use inflammatory language like that, you turn people off and so shut down useful dialog about the benefits of plant-based.
Instead, you'll get push-back, like I have a pear rotting on my counter right now and as soon as I pick my organically raised strawberries from my garden they start to rot.15 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.
So you cut out most of the processed food you were eating, eliminated animal products and lost weight and your health improved. Maybe you would have seen very similar improvements by simply reducing processed food and losing weight. My health has improved significantly by doing two of three of those things.
No I eliminated all animal products.
Sure, if you're happy eating the rotting flesh of dead animals, fluid extracted from pregnant cows, chicken amniotic fluid, etc...and your health has improved significantly...thats your choice, good for you. I wish you well on your journey.
I prefer plants, and I know the difference in performance first hand. I know that I would not have the muscle recovery, energy, or gains that I am getting from a plant based diet.
I used to strength train/cardio 5 days a week in my 20's, and did not get the same results that I do now in my 40's 6-7 days a week.
What's your intent with this post? When you use inflammatory language like that, you turn people off and so shut down useful dialog about the benefits of plant-based.
Instead, you'll get push-back, like I have a pear rotting on my counter right now and as soon as I pick my organically raised strawberries from my garden they start to rot.
This is why so many vegans are bad vegan-vangelists. It's not because some of their arguments don't have merits, but it's because they are absolutely insufferable about it. It may help them feel superior, but it doesn't actually help their cause. I am actively trying to reduce my meat consumption by moderate amounts. But when I see posts like that one, all I want to do is eat a giant burger out of spite.26 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »40 years an animal eater, going on 3 years 100% plant based....I can confirm what is in the documentary worked for me....all of it. Better muscle recovery, better energy, don't get sick as often, no more acid reflux, (used to be prescribed Tecta) headaches, lower cholesterol, better *kittens* etc....
A plant based diet alone will not magically cause you to lose weight, or will you feel the effects that I do. Cake can be vegan, oreos are vegan, many sugars and vegatable oils are vegan...same with breads, salt etc.... so if you don't eat properly, don't expect to benefit from it.
Most people jump on the plant based diet bandwagon eating cake and processed meat alernatives, not knowing what to eat and how much to eat thinking it will be magic.
Every food guide states to put a majority of vegetables on your plate at every meal, and limit the other groups...so just let that sink in for a minute.
I just eat what the guide states to eat lots of, cut out the other needless groups, and have no problem hitting my protein targets.
So you cut out most of the processed food you were eating, eliminated animal products and lost weight and your health improved. Maybe you would have seen very similar improvements by simply reducing processed food and losing weight. My health has improved significantly by doing two of three of those things.
No I eliminated all animal products.
Sure, if you're happy eating the rotting flesh of dead animals, fluid extracted from pregnant cows, chicken amniotic fluid, etc...and your health has improved significantly...thats your choice, good for you. I wish you well on your journey.
I prefer plants, and I know the difference in performance first hand. I know that I would not have the muscle recovery, energy, or gains that I am getting from a plant based diet.
I used to strength train/cardio 5 days a week in my 20's, and did not get the same results that I do now in my 40's 6-7 days a week.
What's your intent with this post? When you use inflammatory language like that, you turn people off and so shut down useful dialog about the benefits of plant-based.
Instead, you'll get push-back, like I have a pear rotting on my counter right now and as soon as I pick my organically raised strawberries from my garden they start to rot.
This is why so many vegans are bad vegan-vangelists. It's not because some of their arguments don't have merits, but it's because they are absolutely insufferable about it. It may help them feel superior, but it doesn't actually help their cause. I am actively trying to reduce my meat consumption by moderate amounts. But when I see posts like that one, all I want to do is eat a giant burger out of spite.
I could not agree more with this as a concept. I’ve been vegetarian for a long time now as well as off and on throughout my life because I just don’t really like meat (texture mostly) and for sustainability I’m moving towards a more vegan perspective. I can’t see going 100% vegan but I’m experimenting with ingredients and techniques to replace at least some of the dairy and eggs in my diet.
But zealots who resort to hyperbole and shock tactics don’t sway me further in that direction in any way. Everyone has to find their own peace with their morals and social conscience. Bully tactics don’t work!17 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?18 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
Actually, I haven't belittled anyone....but your tone sure is walking the line of that. Seems like you might be projecting here.
If my descriptions of rotting animal flesh etc...are inaccurate, are you implying that the meat is not rotting or heavily preserved? Are you implying that diary is not fluid from pregnant cows? Or that chicken eggs are not filled with an ambionic fluid?
If I have my science wrong, please educate and explain what they are...... I am all ears.1 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
And last i checked, there were significantly more cases of mass illness from e-coli ridden plants than poor meat quality.
And if anything, that language will only cause people to be spiteful and eat more beef.
Either way, whatever you call it, i will always eat my steak, seafood, eggs and dairy. Why? Because I find it more valuable to my health and fitness. Vegan based diets require fortified foods or b12 supplementation to be complete. Add in the fact that human brain development occurred because of the increased amino acid availability, i reinforces that humans are more optimal with meat based diets.18 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
Actually, I haven't belittled anyone....but your tone sure is walking the line of that. Seems like you might be projecting here.
If my descriptions of rotting animal flesh etc...are inaccurate, are you implying that the meat is not rotting or heavily preserved? Are you implying that diary is not fluid from pregnant cows? Or that chicken eggs are not filled with an ambionic fluid?
If I have my science wrong, please educate and explain what they are...... I am all ears.
Yeah, and beans contain tiny adorable bean embryos, and we're eating the cute little babies' food supply, and them, in each delicious bite. Most fruits and vegetables begin to rot as soon as they leave the plant (some do it slowly, others do it quickly). If you live an even remotely first-world life, your vegetables and fruits have also been heavily preserved (even "fresh, whole" ones, by mechanisms like storage with specialized-gas environments, irradiation, refrigeration, humidity controls, etc. - pretty much the same measures used for fresh meats).
If you want to convert people to veganism, or reduced meat/dairy/fish consumption - which also can have substantial benefits for animals and the environment - this sort of rhetoric is exactly the wrong way to go about it.
Do polar bears feel guilty when they eat adorable baby seals? Should they? If humans' "moral qualities" make the difference here, why are embryo chickens bad to eat, and embryo beans just fine? If it's just animals, or higher animals, how high? What makes the upper levels of animal taxonomy more important than the upper levels of the plant taxonomy? Is that just human bias, because we're animals, and empathize more with things closer on the evolutionary tree? (Increasingly, there are research suggestions that plants have proto-"feelings", too - seriously.)
I've been vegetarian (not vegan) for 45 years, so not a shill for Big Meat. You're talking about this in a way that won't make converts, and that, yes, goes out of its way to paint those who choose differently in a very negative light.23 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
Actually, I haven't belittled anyone....but your tone sure is walking the line of that. Seems like you might be projecting here.
If my descriptions of rotting animal flesh etc...are inaccurate, are you implying that the meat is not rotting or heavily preserved? Are you implying that diary is not fluid from pregnant cows? Or that chicken eggs are not filled with an ambionic fluid?
If I have my science wrong, please educate and explain what they are...... I am all ears.
Yeah, and beans contain tiny adorable bean embryos, and we're eating the cute little babies' food supply, and them, in each delicious bite. Most fruits and vegetables begin to rot as soon as they leave the plant (some do it slowly, others do it quickly). If you live an even remotely first-world life, your vegetables and fruits have also been heavily preserved (even "fresh, whole" ones, by mechanisms like storage with specialized-gas environments, irradiation, refrigeration, humidity controls, etc. - pretty much the same measures used for fresh meats).
If you want to convert people to veganism, or reduced meat/dairy/fish consumption - which also can have substantial benefits for animals and the environment - this sort of rhetoric is exactly the wrong way to go about it.
Do polar bears feel guilty when they eat adorable baby seals? Should they? If humans' "moral qualities" make the difference here, why are embryo chickens bad to eat, and embryo beans just fine? If it's just animals, or higher animals, how high? What makes the upper levels of animal taxonomy more important than the upper levels of the plant taxonomy? Is that just human bias, because we're animals, and empathize more with things closer on the evolutionary tree? (Increasingly, there are research suggestions that plants have proto-"feelings", too - seriously.)
I've been vegetarian (not vegan) for 45 years, so not a shill for Big Meat. You're talking about this in a way that won't make converts, and that, yes, goes out of its way to paint those who choose differently in a very negative light.
We really need an applause button!8 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
Actually, I haven't belittled anyone....but your tone sure is walking the line of that. Seems like you might be projecting here.
If my descriptions of rotting animal flesh etc...are inaccurate, are you implying that the meat is not rotting or heavily preserved? Are you implying that diary is not fluid from pregnant cows? Or that chicken eggs are not filled with an ambionic fluid?
If I have my science wrong, please educate and explain what they are...... I am all ears.
Yeah, and beans contain tiny adorable bean embryos, and we're eating the cute little babies' food supply, and them, in each delicious bite. Most fruits and vegetables begin to rot as soon as they leave the plant (some do it slowly, others do it quickly). If you live an even remotely first-world life, your vegetables and fruits have also been heavily preserved (even "fresh, whole" ones, by mechanisms like storage with specialized-gas environments, irradiation, refrigeration, humidity controls, etc. - pretty much the same measures used for fresh meats).
If you want to convert people to veganism, or reduced meat/dairy/fish consumption - which also can have substantial benefits for animals and the environment - this sort of rhetoric is exactly the wrong way to go about it.
Do polar bears feel guilty when they eat adorable baby seals? Should they? If humans' "moral qualities" make the difference here, why are embryo chickens bad to eat, and embryo beans just fine? If it's just animals, or higher animals, how high? What makes the upper levels of animal taxonomy more important than the upper levels of the plant taxonomy? Is that just human bias, because we're animals, and empathize more with things closer on the evolutionary tree? (Increasingly, there are research suggestions that plants have proto-"feelings", too - seriously.)
I've been vegetarian (not vegan) for 45 years, so not a shill for Big Meat. You're talking about this in a way that won't make converts, and that, yes, goes out of its way to paint those who choose differently in a very negative light.
Lol the beans comment is not really a great comparison.
As I stated above....not telling anyone to do anything. I really couldn't care any less what others eat. Just sharing my experience eat plants.
Eat what you like....
You all being triggered by my choice to eat plant based is something to look at though.2 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
Actually, I haven't belittled anyone....but your tone sure is walking the line of that. Seems like you might be projecting here.
If my descriptions of rotting animal flesh etc...are inaccurate, are you implying that the meat is not rotting or heavily preserved? Are you implying that diary is not fluid from pregnant cows? Or that chicken eggs are not filled with an ambionic fluid?
If I have my science wrong, please educate and explain what they are...... I am all ears.
Yeah, and beans contain tiny adorable bean embryos, and we're eating the cute little babies' food supply, and them, in each delicious bite. Most fruits and vegetables begin to rot as soon as they leave the plant (some do it slowly, others do it quickly). If you live an even remotely first-world life, your vegetables and fruits have also been heavily preserved (even "fresh, whole" ones, by mechanisms like storage with specialized-gas environments, irradiation, refrigeration, humidity controls, etc. - pretty much the same measures used for fresh meats).
If you want to convert people to veganism, or reduced meat/dairy/fish consumption - which also can have substantial benefits for animals and the environment - this sort of rhetoric is exactly the wrong way to go about it.
Do polar bears feel guilty when they eat adorable baby seals? Should they? If humans' "moral qualities" make the difference here, why are embryo chickens bad to eat, and embryo beans just fine? If it's just animals, or higher animals, how high? What makes the upper levels of animal taxonomy more important than the upper levels of the plant taxonomy? Is that just human bias, because we're animals, and empathize more with things closer on the evolutionary tree? (Increasingly, there are research suggestions that plants have proto-"feelings", too - seriously.)
I've been vegetarian (not vegan) for 45 years, so not a shill for Big Meat. You're talking about this in a way that won't make converts, and that, yes, goes out of its way to paint those who choose differently in a very negative light.
Lol the beans comment is not really a great comparison.
As I stated above....not telling anyone to do anything. I really couldn't care any less what others eat. Just sharing my experience eat plants.
Eat what you like....
You all being triggered by my choice to eat plant based is something to look at though.
No one here is triggered that I'm seeing, unless you are. We simply disagree with you (in various ways). Some of us - like me - believe you're making "team eat more plants" less effective at recruiting new players.
I'm a li'l ol' lady. I don't get triggered, at least not by stuff like this. It's a waste of energy, and too much drama in my life. I'm replying mostly in an effort - probably vain, in context - to convince readers that eating more plants is a really good thing, and that there are calm people who want to do it for rational reasons.
As I've said on other threads, I personally think all of us first-worlders are pretty much unavoidably little moving bundles of global harm (environmental damage, cruelty to humans, animal exploitation, more), and that it's nice when people take steps that are easy for them, to reduce that harm. There's no way of eliminating all the harm. Good for you, for taking steps that not only reduce harm, but benefit you personally in what you find to be profound ways, sincerely. Maybe consider adopting a rhetorical pose (word chosen carefully) that increases likelihood of encouraging others to do likewise, thus influencing increased overall harm reduction, however small?16 -
If you're triggered by my blunt description of animal products, you will need to figure that out for yourself. I am not in control of that....but it triggered you for a reason.
They are an accurate description of animal products, not inflammatory....I assume that you rather they are labelled to something more appealing.
I am not trigggered by your comments one bit...rotten plants I put them in the compost and get fresh ones. And I've likely heard all the other comments before.
I am not by any means telling anyone what they should or shouldn't eat....that's their life, not mine.
I didn't see anyone get triggered by your description of animal products, you simply got called out because I feel its an inaccurate and blatantly dishonest description. To be perfectly honest, I could care less what your thoughts are about meat, or whether or not you find it appetizing. Your thoughts and beliefs wouldn't give me pause at all, because you can't seem to defend them without attempting to insult others. If you feel superior by not eating meat, then you do you. Its just funny how your descriptions are no different than some of the stuff said in these propaganda documentaries put out by groups with an obvious agenda. Why do you find it so hard to defend your position without spreading lies and trying to belittle others?
Actually, I haven't belittled anyone....but your tone sure is walking the line of that. Seems like you might be projecting here.
If my descriptions of rotting animal flesh etc...are inaccurate, are you implying that the meat is not rotting or heavily preserved? Are you implying that diary is not fluid from pregnant cows? Or that chicken eggs are not filled with an ambionic fluid?
If I have my science wrong, please educate and explain what they are...... I am all ears.
BTW: "amniotic", just FTR.
And I made a science mistake, too: Normally, chicken (duck, etc.) eggs don't contain embryos, because they're not fertilized. Beans do contain embryos. Some people do eat bird embryos, but unfertilized eggs don't contain them.
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