Why we need carbs.

Is this thread still going on?

I just wanted to say that I had bacon and eggs for breakfast and was not hungry until lunch. For lunch I had jerk chicken (lean breast), kaluah pork, bbq short ribs, coconut curry vegetables, and a salad, yum!

Before I started low carb I would've had 1 or 2 snacks (more carbs) between breakfast and lunch and would be tired. I have so much energy right now that I feel like knocking down walls!!

I had a glass of chocolate soy milk for breakfast (7 a.m.) and wasn't hungry till lunch (noon). But I can't see how that, or your eggs and bacon, means anything about low carb vs not low carb.

You should research the effects soy milk can have on your health. I read a few pages about it in the Vegetarian Myth by Lierre Keith and was very shocked as i used to drink soy milk and eat a lot of soy processed foods when i was a vegetarian. I havnt done any additional research as of yet but you JUST reminded me so now i shall!
Thanks!

A few select quotes from Why We Get Fat:

I can't seem to find the one study that you're referring to (where obese people underreported their food intake) - do you have a chapter or reference? There are plenty of other studies backing up his hypothesis that something other than calories-in / calories-out matter - impoverished, obese Native Americans, obese mothers with starving children, obese rats with removed ovaries, etc.

you can't find the study because he doesn't mention that fact, since it conveniently goes against what he's trying to say

"For example, one popular book bases one of its many incorrect theses on a 1980 report suggesting that the obese ate the same number of calories as the lean. Ergo, obesity was caused by something else. The problem is this, the data set is wrong. A fact we’ve known for nearly 30 years but that the author was somehow unable to become aware of in his ’5 years of dedicated research’.

Study after study after study over the past 30 years shows that the obese systematically under-report their food intake (by up to 30-50%) and over-report their activity (by about the same). So when they say they are only eating 1800 calories per day, they may be eating 2400-3600 calories per day. And their activity isn’t nearly what they think."

www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html

"There are plenty of other studies backing up his hypothesis that something other than calories-in / calories-out matter - impoverished, obese Native Americans, obese mothers with starving children, obese rats with removed ovaries, etc."

epidemiological studies? you do know the shortcomings of using such data to back your hypothesis, right? and please do tell how rats, whose metabolic pathways are different then humans have anything to do with this?

and notice i never said there aren't other factors at play in weight gain/loss, but the overriding factor is calories

Taubes also says this;

"If you restrict only carbohydra­tes, you can always eat more protein and fat if you feel the urge, since they have no effect on fat accumulati­on"

Location 2519 Kindle edition of Why We Get Fat

"But protein and fat don't make us fat-only the carbohydra­tes do-so there is no reason to curtail them in any way"

location 3064 Why we Get Fat

which is utterly ridiculous, here's some links and studies i posted in another GCBC thread

McLaughlin T, et al. Difference­s in insulin resistance do not predict weight loss in response to hypocalori­c diets in healthy obese women. Journal of Clinical Endocrinol­ogy & Metabolism­, 1999; 84 (2): 578-581.

de Luis DA, et al. Difference­s in glycaemic status do not predict weight loss in response to hypocalori­c diets in obese patients. Clinical Nutrition, Feb 2006; 25 (1): 117-122.

Due A, et al. No effect of inhibition of insulin secretion by diazoxide on weight loss in hyperinsul­inaemic obese subjects during an 8-week weight-los­s diet. Diabetes, Obesity and Metabolism­, Jul 2007; 9 (4): 566-574.

also here are some interestin­g reads on Taubes

http://rea­son.com/ar­chives/200­3/03/01/bi­g-fat-fake

http://www­.weightyma­tters.ca/2­011/01/boo­k-review-g­ary-taubes­-why-we-ge­t-fat.html

http://car­bsanity.bl­ogspot.com­/2010/10/u­pdate-gary­-taubes-em­ail-my-res­ponse.html

I don't exactly know what you're trying to argue. You want to discredit his whole book based on a few excerpts and a few blogs that have been posted. Who's cherry picking again?

His whole book is based on that only CHO makes you fat, which is incorrect. I've posted a few peer reviewed, controlled studies that show his theories on CHO, insulin and weight loss/gain are misinformed. If people are getting healthier and losing weight due to dropping carbs, that's great. But to beleive that only CHO makes people fat is just ignorant

you can't find the study because he doesn't mention that fact, since it conveniently goes against what he's trying to say

"For example, one popular book bases one of its many incorrect theses on a 1980 report suggesting that the obese ate the same number of calories as the lean. Ergo, obesity was caused by something else. The problem is this, the data set is wrong. A fact we’ve known for nearly 30 years but that the author was somehow unable to become aware of in his ’5 years of dedicated research’.

Study after study after study over the past 30 years shows that the obese systematically under-report their food intake (by up to 30-50%) and over-report their activity (by about the same). So when they say they are only eating 1800 calories per day, they may be eating 2400-3600 calories per day. And their activity isn’t nearly what they think."

www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/how-we-get-fat.html

Have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo

He even has a couple slides on how insulin resistant/insulin sensitive people react to different types of diets (starts at 38:15).

Is it so hard to believe that some people do get fat with carbs?

You have to realize what a bitter pill this was to swallow for a 25 year vegetarian - that Atkins did better than the other diets.

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he uses all this to support his statement that overeating is not the cause of obesity but of course it's the evil CHO

So, as Novick argues, the discussion is no longer good fat, bad fat, percentage fat but achieving a weight that discourages sickness. So how to get attain nutrition, feeling satisfied and lose weight or maintain weight?