Me too although I am back to regular yogurt I make myself. Not because I think it is healthier (after all, I am using store bought milk) but I eat so much it is cheaper ($2.50 per gallon as opposed to $10 per gallon for yogurt). I use Greek for the starter since I love the taste, but I don't have the patience to strain it like Greek needs to be.
Me too although I am back to regular yogurt I make myself. Not because I think it is healthier (after all, I am using store bought milk) but I eat so much it is cheaper ($2.50 per gallon as opposed to $10 per gallon for yogurt). I use Greek for the starter since I love the taste, but I don't have the patience to strain it like Greek needs to be.
I might try that sometime. I do make my own sorbets and granitas, though.
Me too although I am back to regular yogurt I make myself. Not because I think it is healthier (after all, I am using store bought milk) but I eat so much it is cheaper ($2.50 per gallon as opposed to $10 per gallon for yogurt). I use Greek for the starter since I love the taste, but I don't have the patience to strain it like Greek needs to be.
I might try that sometime. I do make my own sorbets and granitas, though.
It is super easy but you need a way to keep it at 110° for about 8-18 hours. I have a yogurt maker that makes 1/2 gallon at a time. Heat the milk to 180°, cool to 110°, add some yogurt with active cultures, let sit. Chill and eat. There are starters you can get that give different flavors and textures but I like using Greek yogurt, then use some of the last batch to re-culture the next one. I can keep a strain going for about 5 gallons (10 batches) before it needs refreshing.
I feel like we make everything complicated in this country. The BEST diet for you (unless you have very specific health concerns that REQUIRE you to eliminate certain foods) are a REAL, WHOLE FOODS DIET. The less processed the better... that goes for everything including food substitutes like the beyond meat burgers. Getting back to our basics- fruit, vegetables, and proteins consisting of fish, meat, poultry is what's needed. It's that simple. I lost 20 lbs 2 years ago before I was pregnant. Hardly ever exercised... literally just eliminated almost anything processed from my diet including *gasp* breads and vegetable oils, unless it was a special occasion that I felt I wanted to eat something at a restaurant or what have you. Didn't feel deprived. Didn't have to count macros. My taste buds literally changed. Inflammation went down, bloating gone, skin issues gone. It was eye opening. I switched to wild caught fish, grassfed or pasture raised meats. You literally cannot go wrong getting back to our primal, basics. If you want some hard truth on a lot of these issues I love the approach from integrative dietician Ali Miller, RD. It will change how you view our food.
I also lost around 22 pounds (10 kg) and have kept it off for 6 years.
I ate plenty of processed food along with some fresh whole foods. Certainly did not eliminate anything other than full sugar soda, and that was swapped to diet soda so not a less processed thing, just a less calorie thing.
did a small amount of exercise (walking half an hour most days and occasional more vigourous activity) - by no means an excersice regime worth writing home about)
I had no bloating, skin issues or inflamation.
I don't want my taste buds to change - I enjoy the foods I like, why would I want to change that??
No need to change how I view my food or get any 'hard truths'
I feel you are making things more complicated - I simply * gasp!* ate at an appropriate calorie level and ate a half decent balance of macros/variety of foods
I feel like we make everything complicated in this country. The BEST diet for you (unless you have very specific health concerns that REQUIRE you to eliminate certain foods) are a REAL, WHOLE FOODS DIET. The less processed the better... that goes for everything including food substitutes like the beyond meat burgers. Getting back to our basics- fruit, vegetables, and proteins consisting of fish, meat, poultry is what's needed. It's that simple. I lost 20 lbs 2 years ago before I was pregnant. Hardly ever exercised... literally just eliminated almost anything processed from my diet including *gasp* breads and vegetable oils, unless it was a special occasion that I felt I wanted to eat something at a restaurant or what have you. Didn't feel deprived. Didn't have to count macros. My taste buds literally changed. Inflammation went down, bloating gone, skin issues gone. It was eye opening. I switched to wild caught fish, grassfed or pasture raised meats. You literally cannot go wrong getting back to our primal, basics. If you want some hard truth on a lot of these issues I love the approach from integrative dietician Ali Miller, RD. It will change how you view our food.
She offers cancer treatment as a service on her website. Interesting that an RD is moonlighting as an oncologist.
"With food-as-medicine approaches, we can aggressively fight tumor growth" followed by this "Food-as-medicine tip": "Try sauteeing broccoli with garlic."
Now I am a huge broccoli fan, but even I think that's promising a bit too much.
I'm skeptical about the benefits of a lifestyle where you hardly ever exercise. What's aspirational about avoiding physical activity? With my diet which includes *gasp* the occasional Beyond Burger, I actually look forward to exercise and do it frequently. Inflammation, bloating, and skin issues . . . lots of people don't have those (although I'm glad that yours are gone). So if you asked me to choose between my current life with bread and running and skin that's pretty darn good and some "primal" life where I have to believe that broccoli is a cancer treatment . . . well, I've already chosen.
Interesting. On the Jewish calendar, there is a nine-day period when many Orthodox Jews refrain from eating meat and poultry (but not fish and there are a couple of loopholes). As an ovo-lacto vegetarian, I asked if I should adopt a more stringent practice at that time like a vegan WOE. I was told that it wasn't necessary. Basically, the custom was to refrain from meat and poultry specifically during those days and whether I normally refrained from them the rest of the year wasn't relevant.
Interesting. I think it really does depend on "why" you observe Lent or any other religious or spiritual fasting convention. Kind of a "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" sort of thing.
Interesting. I think it really does depend on "why" you observe Lent or any other religious or spiritual fasting convention. Kind of a "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" sort of thing.
Yeah, I can see if the point is to live mindfully through the practice of temporarily giving up something, then replacing it with something that is designed to be indistinguishable is kind of skirting the intention (not to degrade anyone's spiritual practice if they're doing this, there may be complexities I'm not getting).
Obviously, there are fasting practices that have different purposes than Lent (as least Lent as I was raised to understand it) and faux meat may fit well into those.
Interesting. I think it really does depend on "why" you observe Lent or any other religious or spiritual fasting convention. Kind of a "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" sort of thing.
Yeah, I can see if the point is to live mindfully through the practice of temporarily giving up something, then replacing it with something that is designed to be indistinguishable is kind of skirting the intention (not to degrade anyone's spiritual practice if they're doing this, there may be complexities I'm not getting).
Obviously, there are fasting practices that have different purposes than Lent (as least Lent as I was raised to understand it) and faux meat may fit well into those.
It reminded me of jokes about people violating the spirit by having some fancy, expensive seafood based meal on a Friday in Lent, like going to a nice sushi place or having lobster.
I would agree with the comment above that it depends on how one is understanding the sacrifice -- it can be "to have to be mindful that I am doing this and then remembering why" which I think would be consistent with having the Beyond Burger.
Interesting. I think it really does depend on "why" you observe Lent or any other religious or spiritual fasting convention. Kind of a "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" sort of thing.
Yeah, I can see if the point is to live mindfully through the practice of temporarily giving up something, then replacing it with something that is designed to be indistinguishable is kind of skirting the intention (not to degrade anyone's spiritual practice if they're doing this, there may be complexities I'm not getting).
Obviously, there are fasting practices that have different purposes than Lent (as least Lent as I was raised to understand it) and faux meat may fit well into those.
It reminded me of jokes about people violating the spirit by having some fancy, expensive seafood based meal on a Friday in Lent, like going to a nice sushi place or having lobster.
I would agree with the comment above that it depends on how one is understanding the sacrifice -- it can be "to have to be mindful that I am doing this and then remembering why" which I think would be consistent with having the Beyond Burger.
Yeah, when I was a kid, I was allergic to fish, so on Fridays during Lent we would have things like shrimp or cheese pizza. These were treats and we looked forward to them, which does kind of defeat the purpose of a "sacrifice".
I also remember as a kid thinking that vegetarians should HAVE to eat meat on Fridays during Lent as their sacrifice.
Given the original purpose of giving things up for Lent was to eat simply and cheaply, ( not just eat, I think some people did other self discipline things like no sex) then here in Australia eating fish doesn't really achieve that
Fish is no cheaper and really no simpler a meal than meat - and of course fancy lobster and seafood all you can eat buffets are not simple or cheap at all.
It makes more sense to me to give up something you like that is a 'fancy extra' like meat was in those days - self discipline is good
Even better if you donate the money you would of spent on the fancy thing to a charity.
I have given up chocolate for the 6 weeks of Lent sometimes with that reasoning and am thinking of giving up cappacinos this year.
But if I hated meat or was already a vegetarian I don't see what purpose eating beyond burger would be, in regards to Lent
Given the original purpose of giving things up for Lent was to eat simply and cheaply, ( not just eat, I think some people did other self discipline things like no sex) then here in Australia eating fish doesn't really achieve that
Fish is no cheaper and really no simpler a meal than meat - and of course fancy lobster and seafood all you can eat buffets are not simple or cheap at all.
It makes more sense to me to give up something you like that is a 'fancy extra' like meat was in those days - self discipline is good
Even better if you donate the money you would of spent on the fancy thing to a charity.
I have given up chocolate for the 6 weeks of Lent sometimes with that reasoning and am thinking of giving up cappacinos this year.
But if I hated meat or was already a vegetarian I don't see what purpose eating beyond burger would be, in regards to Lent
Lent has very strict rules here, so the one or two times during Lend that we can eat fish, we absolutely will regardless of how expensive it is. It's usually eaten to celebrate certain special days during Lent so being a celebration, eating expensive fish and drinking wine does not break the "spirit" of it in our case.
That's the difference I suppose - Lent does not at all have strict rules here, certainly not in Uniting church of Australia anyway, can't speak for all churches.
So, is up to individual to decide what and why they will give up whatever they do.
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If I was in the wild, I think I'd be much better off if I had some granola and bottled water than I would be just grabbing plants and chowing down.
Michael Pollan has written some insightful stuff over the years, but this is asinine.
Me too although I am back to regular yogurt I make myself. Not because I think it is healthier (after all, I am using store bought milk) but I eat so much it is cheaper ($2.50 per gallon as opposed to $10 per gallon for yogurt). I use Greek for the starter since I love the taste, but I don't have the patience to strain it like Greek needs to be.
I might try that sometime. I do make my own sorbets and granitas, though.
It is super easy but you need a way to keep it at 110° for about 8-18 hours. I have a yogurt maker that makes 1/2 gallon at a time. Heat the milk to 180°, cool to 110°, add some yogurt with active cultures, let sit. Chill and eat. There are starters you can get that give different flavors and textures but I like using Greek yogurt, then use some of the last batch to re-culture the next one. I can keep a strain going for about 5 gallons (10 batches) before it needs refreshing.
I also lost around 22 pounds (10 kg) and have kept it off for 6 years.
I ate plenty of processed food along with some fresh whole foods. Certainly did not eliminate anything other than full sugar soda, and that was swapped to diet soda so not a less processed thing, just a less calorie thing.
did a small amount of exercise (walking half an hour most days and occasional more vigourous activity) - by no means an excersice regime worth writing home about)
I had no bloating, skin issues or inflamation.
I don't want my taste buds to change - I enjoy the foods I like, why would I want to change that??
No need to change how I view my food or get any 'hard truths'
I feel you are making things more complicated - I simply * gasp!* ate at an appropriate calorie level and ate a half decent balance of macros/variety of foods
That's all.
Interesting. On the Jewish calendar, there is a nine-day period when many Orthodox Jews refrain from eating meat and poultry (but not fish and there are a couple of loopholes). As an ovo-lacto vegetarian, I asked if I should adopt a more stringent practice at that time like a vegan WOE. I was told that it wasn't necessary. Basically, the custom was to refrain from meat and poultry specifically during those days and whether I normally refrained from them the rest of the year wasn't relevant.
Heh, I read the Trib and thought about linking that.
Interesting. I think it really does depend on "why" you observe Lent or any other religious or spiritual fasting convention. Kind of a "letter of the law" vs "spirit of the law" sort of thing.
Yeah, I can see if the point is to live mindfully through the practice of temporarily giving up something, then replacing it with something that is designed to be indistinguishable is kind of skirting the intention (not to degrade anyone's spiritual practice if they're doing this, there may be complexities I'm not getting).
Obviously, there are fasting practices that have different purposes than Lent (as least Lent as I was raised to understand it) and faux meat may fit well into those.
Why? What is inherently objectionable about faux meat?
real meat eater here who also enjoys and appreciated beyond burgers etc (sister is a vegan and we try different restaurants when she visits)
It reminded me of jokes about people violating the spirit by having some fancy, expensive seafood based meal on a Friday in Lent, like going to a nice sushi place or having lobster.
I would agree with the comment above that it depends on how one is understanding the sacrifice -- it can be "to have to be mindful that I am doing this and then remembering why" which I think would be consistent with having the Beyond Burger.
Yeah, when I was a kid, I was allergic to fish, so on Fridays during Lent we would have things like shrimp or cheese pizza. These were treats and we looked forward to them, which does kind of defeat the purpose of a "sacrifice".
I also remember as a kid thinking that vegetarians should HAVE to eat meat on Fridays during Lent as their sacrifice.
Fish is no cheaper and really no simpler a meal than meat - and of course fancy lobster and seafood all you can eat buffets are not simple or cheap at all.
It makes more sense to me to give up something you like that is a 'fancy extra' like meat was in those days - self discipline is good
Even better if you donate the money you would of spent on the fancy thing to a charity.
I have given up chocolate for the 6 weeks of Lent sometimes with that reasoning and am thinking of giving up cappacinos this year.
But if I hated meat or was already a vegetarian I don't see what purpose eating beyond burger would be, in regards to Lent
Well, I guess we all have things that are Hell, no! For us just on personal taste or 'the thought of it' reasons.
I'm like that with liver, tripe and similar
Nothing inherently wrong with eating them, but for me personally Hell, no!
Says nothing about the product though, just about my personal bias - so as an actual point in a debate, pretty meaningless.
Lent has very strict rules here, so the one or two times during Lend that we can eat fish, we absolutely will regardless of how expensive it is. It's usually eaten to celebrate certain special days during Lent so being a celebration, eating expensive fish and drinking wine does not break the "spirit" of it in our case.
So, is up to individual to decide what and why they will give up whatever they do.