Coronavirus prep
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Between arbitrary contractions and superfluous quotation marks this thread has turned into a mockery of basic grammatical good practice...29
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Since the ones that are dying seem to have had preexisting health issues it seems while a good stock of toilet paper and canned tuna are nice that working to improve general health is the best goal 24/7/365. The first case in KY and TN have been announced. Locally it is expected to arrive mid April so at least we will have winter behind us.
Maybe being old is a factor at our house but who does not have 24+ of toilet paper on hands at all times?5 -
I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
https://www.facebook.com/abdu.sharkawy/posts/2809958409125474?__tn__=,dH-R-R&eid=ARBOWPj71gA1ObjfZlXOXyWThC52Mt6U38slWK3w0VkylOu5m39gyZVqWSJaqVPpIimUaGEaEddG7DxN38 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Since the ones that are dying seem to have had preexisting health issues it seems while a good stock of toilet paper and canned tuna are nice that working to improve general health is the best goal 24/7/365. The first case in KY and TN have been announced. Locally it is expected to arrive mid April so at least we will have winter behind us.
Maybe being old is a factor at our house but who does not have 24+ of toilet paper on hands at all times?
I had only 2 rolls. Fortunately not a problem here, so now we have a big pack. But my mom reports she is unable to purchase incontinence products.
Looking at the progress in Australia, it doesn’t appear the end of winter is likely to help.1 -
The progress of coronavirus in Australia??
It is the end of summer here - not sure what you are saying?
Australia has had a ridiculous stampede on toilet paper for some reason that totally escapes me.
There have been 2 confirmed cases in my state and yet all the supermarkets in my regional town, far from the cases, have sold out of toilet paper - why do people need a years supply of toilet paper???
Hand sanitiser sold out too - but that makes bit more sense. But whole aisles totally bereft of toilet paper???1 -
I don't believe that it's appropriate to ask someone to change their lifestyle, over this.kshama2001 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »While the main panic concerning daily necessities're customers, where I am via business & government here, causes it as well. Prior to the Blizzard of 1996, I took the bus to school whilst it was snowing. There were no delayed openings, ½ days, early release or snow days.
After we were coddled by many snow less winters, shovels & sleds, weren't sold here. Now I know better than to take the bus anywhere, unless I know that I'll be able to walk home because they'll cancel the buses & our government, orders vehicles off of the roads because of just a dusting, of snow.
Just out of curiosity, is the use of the apostrophe intentional here? necessities're
If so, what English word are you contracting with necesseties?
Yeah it's intentional, necessities're = necessities are. It's a habit to combine & shorten words because of low character limits elsewhere.
It makes your posts very difficult to read/understand.
I was going along the lines of how other words do, that everyone seems to be able to read & understand. They're = they are or I've = I have.
I can understand your posts, but only with a lot of extra effort. Since there is no character limit here, would you be willing to use only standard contractions?paperpudding wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »While the main panic concerning daily necessities're customers, where I am via business & government here, causes it as well. Prior to the Blizzard of 1996, I took the bus to school whilst it was snowing. There were no delayed openings, ½ days, early release or snow days.
After we were coddled by many snow less winters, shovels & sleds, weren't sold here. Now I know better than to take the bus anywhere, unless I know that I'll be able to walk home because they'll cancel the buses & our government, orders vehicles off of the roads because of just a dusting, of snow.
Just out of curiosity, is the use of the apostrophe intentional here? necessities're
If so, what English word are you contracting with necesseties?
Yeah it's intentional, necessities're = necessities are. It's a habit to combine & shorten words because of low character limits elsewhere.
It makes your posts very difficult to read/understand.
I was going along the lines of how other words do, that everyone seems to be able to read & understand. They're = they are or I've = I have.
yes but they do that because it is contractions they are used to seeing, not because they are thinking through the apostrophe contraction rule every time they see it.
I know we all make accidental typo's ( I am one of the worse culprits for this) but probably best not to make up our own intentional rules for changing standard written language usage.
It makes posts harder to understand and breaks up the flow of easy reading and leaves one guessing was that a typo? what was it suppossed to say?
The English language isn't absolute. It even changes annually, when new words that're created by random people're chosen to be added to the dictionary.paperpudding wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »While the main panic concerning daily necessities're customers, where I am via business & government here, causes it as well. Prior to the Blizzard of 1996, I took the bus to school whilst it was snowing. There were no delayed openings, ½ days, early release or snow days.
After we were coddled by many snow less winters, shovels & sleds, weren't sold here. Now I know better than to take the bus anywhere, unless I know that I'll be able to walk home because they'll cancel the buses & our government, orders vehicles off of the roads because of just a dusting, of snow.
Just out of curiosity, is the use of the apostrophe intentional here? necessities're
If so, what English word are you contracting with necesseties?
Yeah it's intentional, necessities're = necessities are. It's a habit to combine & shorten words because of low character limits elsewhere.
It makes your posts very difficult to read/understand.
I was going along the lines of how other words do, that everyone seems to be able to read & understand. They're = they are or I've = I have.
yes but they do that because it is contractions they are used to seeing, not because they are thinking through the apostrophe contraction rule every time they see it.
I know we all make accidental typo's ( I am one of the worse culprits for this) but probably best not to make up our own intentional rules for changing standard written language usage.
It makes posts harder to understand and breaks up the flow of easy reading and leaves one guessing was that a typo? what was it suppossed to say?
It calls to mind an admonishment of one of my professors when I was in college, "If my thoughts are not worth my effort to state clearly, they're not worth the reader's time to understand".
I'd have never entertained answering your question, if my belief was that your intent was to derail this thread & not a genuine misunderstanding.WinoGelato wrote: »Between arbitrary contractions and superfluous quotation marks this thread has turned into a mockery of basic grammatical good practice...
Being regulars it's nonsensical to risk {especially, an imperative thread} being shuttered because of your being, holier than thou. How about conforming to the rules here, as you do so well with grammar?8 -
paperpudding wrote: »The progress of coronavirus in Australia??
It is the end of summer here - not sure what you are saying?
Australia has had a ridiculous stampede on toilet paper for some reason that totally escapes me.
There have been 2 confirmed cases in my state and yet all the supermarkets in my regional town, far from the cases, have sold out of toilet paper - why do people need a years supply of toilet paper???
Hand sanitiser sold out too - but that makes bit more sense. But whole aisles totally bereft of toilet paper???
Yeah, it's a little extreme!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/120097737/women-fight-over-toilet-paper-in-australian-supermarket
Still plenty of loo paper on the shelves in my little town in New Zealand, though it was being restocked the other day. The hilarious thing is the both Aus and NZ manufacture toilet paper. We're not going to run out.
But yeah, hand sanitiser has been out for weeks.1 -
It’s become a bizarre phenomenon. They interrupted television programming here yesterday, for a half hour announcement that the first case in my state has been reported. NOTHING was said (except that the unidentified individual had been on a cruise with confirmed coronavirus case) that we haven’t heard many times. IE: good hand washing techniques, coughing/sneezing into elbow etc.
Concern, yes, but as with so many things, the media is creating a frenzy, and some people may be overreacting.
I do my weekly shopping on Saturday, and hopefully, I’ll find things I normally purchase available. I won’t be hoarding anything, just my normal, every week shopping trip, and I’m in an at risk group, elderly (68).4 -
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I'm wondering why is everyone stockpiling toilet paper?!?! That is selling out as quick as water around here!
Funny, I work at Wegmans (East Coast). Toilet paper is flying off the shelves. What are people doing with this? It‘s ridiculous. And then these facial mask shoppers.... ong! I feel like I am in the middle of a science fiction movie 😀3 -
New CDC guidance is for those over 60 and those with severe chronic medical conditions to stay home as much as possible, including avoiding shopping and crowds. An adviser to the CDC recommends avoiding things like air travel, movie theaters, family events, malls, and weekly religious services.
Like everything else, some will and some won't. I do see more people doing online grocery ordering and not going to as many movies or concerts but humans are social creatures and self imposed quarantine is difficult for many.
Not to mention that location is very relevant. Not everyone has access to grocery delivery. And those who do will still be exposed to delivery workers.
In fact, I was just talking to a co-worker about a big pizza order for a large workplace recently. I mentioned that in my last lovation, I once pucked up the pizza and had to roll my windows down to see since the steam was fogging up my windows (88 pizzas in a Toyota Yaris hatchback...). So then she says, "I would have just had them delivered like I'm doing with these." (Talking about the upcoming order at my current location.) This person has always disliked me and I got the hint that there was an implied "You are stupid not to get delivery." So I explained that delivery is great and all, but that town did not have any food delivery available until from anywhere until after 4pm. Some people really have no clue how little access there is to stores, restaurants, services in rural areas...6 -
DD I don't particularly conform to grammar rules, at least I don't make any conscious effort to do so.
But I would consider adjusting my writing style if it were causing confusion and people politely informed me of this.
I did my regular grocery shopping today, as I do every Saturday.
As far as I could tell, everything else was available as usual, at least there were no huge gaps in the aisles.
Hand sanitiser doesn't take much space, I believe it is sold out, but I didn't notice.
But entire aisle totally bereft of toilet paper in every supermarket in a town with zero cases of coronavirus.
And, yes, a locally made product, it isn't imported from China or anything.
Just bizarre.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »New CDC guidance is for those over 60 and those with severe chronic medical conditions to stay home as much as possible, including avoiding shopping and crowds. An adviser to the CDC recommends avoiding things like air travel, movie theaters, family events, malls, and weekly religious services.
Like everything else, some will and some won't. I do see more people doing online grocery ordering and not going to as many movies or concerts but humans are social creatures and self imposed quarantine is difficult for many.
Not to mention that location is very relevant. Not everyone has access to grocery delivery. And those who do will still be exposed to delivery workers.
I live 12 miles from town. No rural delivery at all, other than USPS, UPS, Fed Ex etc.
No matter how you receive your goods, you still have the human element involved. Who touched it last. Coughed on it, sneezed on it or whatever. Touching the keypad when paying. The shopping carts, items you pick off shelves. Who touched them before you?
I’ll restate this from previous posts, the best thing each of us can do is practice good hand washing, coughing/sneezing techniques and encourage our families to do the same. Panicking, and/or hoarding are not a solutions to avoiding the virus.5 -
Exactly @missysippy930 Hand hygiene and cough etiquette is imperative! For people who may think they have the virus they aren’t leper’s, which in my line of work I have found people feel they are. I also do hope people who are worried and have travelled to high risk countries and are symptomatic think of others before running to supermarkets, going out and about, rocking up to a large doctors clinic without putting a mask on ect I’m a nurse and have found that unfortunately people DONT adhere to instructions from health departments and put public at risk by not following instructions. I definitely won’t start buying millions of rolls of toilet paper, but I will be conscious of clean hands and real news from reputable sources, not face book. Still, it’s scary times2
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paperpudding wrote: »DD I don't particularly conform to grammar rules, at least I don't make any conscious effort to do so.
But I would consider adjusting my writing style if it were causing confusion and people politely informed me of this.
I did my regular grocery shopping today, as I do every Saturday.
As far as I could tell, everything else was available as usual, at least there were no huge gaps in the aisles.
Hand sanitiser doesn't take much space, I believe it is sold out, but I didn't notice.
But entire aisle totally bereft of toilet paper in every supermarket in a town with zero cases of coronavirus.
And, yes, a locally made product, it isn't imported from China or anything.
Just bizarre.
No 1 pleases everyone, thereby my posts're meant for those that don't mind them as they're.7 -
There was earlier posting about the mental health of seniors and/or others who are practicing self-imposed Social Distancing. I am older and live alone and this week has been a challenge already because I'm just a couple miles from the hospital where the 11 patients have died. It's pretty tense around here. The senior center in my neighborhood is the largest in the country and it is the social hub for seniors. It has been closed all week along with a lot of other businesses. Too much time in my head is not a good thing. I'm still getting out and walking but every non-essential trip out in public is being deferred/delayed.
If you have seniors in your life, give 'em a call. They would love to hear from you. Heck, if you're a senior, the phone works both ways! You know wireless long-distance is free, right??!
https://store.samhsa.gov/system/files/sma14-4894.pdf
*edit to say, the above pdf is about mental health and social distancing and our need for human contact/what our crazy brains do under this particular type of "threat."17 -
kshama2001 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »While the main panic concerning daily necessities're customers, where I am via business & government here, causes it as well. Prior to the Blizzard of 1996, I took the bus to school whilst it was snowing. There were no delayed openings, ½ days, early release or snow days.
After we were coddled by many snow less winters, shovels & sleds, weren't sold here. Now I know better than to take the bus anywhere, unless I know that I'll be able to walk home because they'll cancel the buses & our government, orders vehicles off of the roads because of just a dusting, of snow.
Just out of curiosity, is the use of the apostrophe intentional here? necessities're
If so, what English word are you contracting with necesseties?
Yeah it's intentional, necessities're = necessities are. It's a habit to combine & shorten words because of low character limits elsewhere.
It makes your posts very difficult to read/understand.
I was going along the lines of how other words do, that everyone seems to be able to read & understand. They're = they are or I've = I have.
I can understand your posts, but only with a lot of extra effort. Since there is no character limit here, would you be willing to use only standard contractions?
I just skip over posts like that which are too difficult to read. I do make the effort for someone for whom it's apparent that English is their second language, but when it's done deliberately? Nope.29 -
Exactly @missysippy930 Hand hygiene and cough etiquette is imperative! For people who may think they have the virus they aren’t leper’s, which in my line of work I have found people feel they are. I also do hope people who are worried and have travelled to high risk countries and are symptomatic think of others before running to supermarkets, going out and about, rocking up to a large doctors clinic without putting a mask on ect I’m a nurse and have found that unfortunately people DONT adhere to instructions from health departments and put public at risk by not following instructions. I definitely won’t start buying millions of rolls of toilet paper, but I will be conscious of clean hands and real news from reputable sources, not face book. Still, it’s scary times
I really wish that doctor's office waiting areas, wouldn't have toys because healthy children just there for their routine visit then play with the same toys, that the children that're there because they're sick then also play with.6 -
Lillymoo01 wrote: »I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
https://www.facebook.com/abdu.sharkawy/posts/2809958409125474?__tn__=,dH-R-R&eid=ARBOWPj71gA1ObjfZlXOXyWThC52Mt6U38slWK3w0VkylOu5m39gyZVqWSJaqVPpIimUaGEaEddG7DxN
I can't like this post enough. Thanks!
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snickerscharlie wrote: »Lillymoo01 wrote: »I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared.
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil. I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess.
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession.
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it. Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous.
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
https://www.facebook.com/abdu.sharkawy/posts/2809958409125474?__tn__=,dH-R-R&eid=ARBOWPj71gA1ObjfZlXOXyWThC52Mt6U38slWK3w0VkylOu5m39gyZVqWSJaqVPpIimUaGEaEddG7DxN
I can't like this post enough. Thanks!
Agreed, thanks @Lillymoo01 for your insightful, thought provoking and logic grounding words.
I would love to share some of them on other social media channels as I think your advice could really resonate with a lot of people but obviously would share it as “quoted from a doctor specializing in infectious diseases on another social media forum” but would only do so with your blessing.
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