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my dad went back to the hospital yesterday. treatment stopped working, breathing trouble started back up, had to get another nebulizer and stronger pneumonia medicine. he specifically asked the doctor to test him for covid19. doctor told him he couldn't test him because he "didn't qualify." a few minutes later after the doctor leaves a nurse comes in and says that the doctor's lying, they just don't have any test kits. this isn't some backwater clinic, this is a major university hospital we're talking about here, and they have zero way of testing for this thing even if they wanted to. i visited him last weekend after they told him he had a non-contagious infection, and about five days later, surprise! i'm feeling feverish. great healthcare system we got going here.40
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@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals.
I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 
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FYI: Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf0 -
I told my 91 year old dad the same thing, and I'm worried for his mental as well as physical health. He is very active and social, he goes to mass twice a week, the gym three times, organizes a senior bus trip twice a month and on and on. I dont know how he'll cope when he has to self isolate.
I hadn't thought about the mental and emotional health risks to people who are used to being social, as well as the actual physical risk of becoming sick. It seems to me that the stress would make some people even more vulnerable.
yes this concerns me too.
My father is 80 and very active like that too.
However his modern technology skills are next to zero and he does not own a computer or a smart phone.
So self isolating will be so much harder for him than it would be for me, who could at least connect to outside world via social media and would at least be isolated together with the other member of my household.
Whereas some older people will have nobody to talk to, either virtually or face to face for weeks at a time.
perhaps something for us all to keep in mind and make sure we are regularly phoning any older people stuck home alone.
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Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 5 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
Corncobs > pinecones for sure5 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »
Here is their definition: "Mass gathering" means any public or private gathering that brings together one hundred (100) or more individuals in a single room or connected space in close proximity to one another, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theaters, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space, but does not include normal operations at airports, on other forms of transit, shopping malls, or other spaces where 100 or more individuals may be in transit. "Mass gathering" does not include family gatherings such as weddings or funerals, shelters, retail stores or grocery stores, typical office environments, businesses, courthouses, restaurants and bars, correctional and detention facilities, schools and educational institutions, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, and other health care and congregate care facilities, and places of worship operating during "normal business hours."
So no, it's basically just targeting special events. But I wonder if that will change.3 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
Bidet > Charmin Ultrasoft Mega > Other consumer TP > commercial TP which is all that's now available in stores near me > newspaper > moss (early medieval) > corncob > left hand7 -
I just had a play that I was supposed to go to get cancelled. The Chicago Symphony hasn't cancelled yet, but I suspect that will be next.3
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Sometimes it's time for dark humor.
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I just had a play that I was supposed to go to get cancelled. The Chicago Symphony hasn't cancelled yet, but I suspect that will be next.
i'm sitting here waiting for the ax to drop on the mcr reunion tour even if it's six months from now. sure as *kitten* hope this mess doesn't go on that long.1 -
I don’t know how things are where everyone else lives, but I’ve seen empty shelves in grocery stores before. Lots of times.
We have a bad snowstorm about once every 5-10 years. On the day the weatherman says tomorrow’s the day, the stores do what they can, but by 5:30 pm, all the hamburger, stew meat, ground turkey, cornbread, and cornbread mix is gone from our town and you know we are all having chili tonight. All the wood outside the store goes fast, too.
When the weatherman says big tornadoes are coming, water and toilet paper disappear. Although I haven’t noticed anything like that around here, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see it soon.
Not panic, just taking care of business, thinking ahead.5 -
So over the top.... nobody talks that the situation is under control in China? Numbers of cases stabilized .... 3 weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105
Winter is phasing out. So much drama for so little, on a global perspective.
*Great time to buy stock or funds.*
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Luckily to not infected https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-found-in-toilet-paper/1
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corinasue1143 wrote: »
Here is their definition: "Mass gathering" means any public or private gathering that brings together one hundred (100) or more individuals in a single room or connected space in close proximity to one another, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theaters, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space, but does not include normal operations at airports, on other forms of transit, shopping malls, or other spaces where 100 or more individuals may be in transit. "Mass gathering" does not include family gatherings such as weddings or funerals, shelters, retail stores or grocery stores, typical office environments, businesses, courthouses, restaurants and bars, correctional and detention facilities, schools and educational institutions, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, and other health care and congregate care facilities, and places of worship operating during "normal business hours."
So no, it's basically just targeting special events. But I wonder if that will change.
It will--logic.2 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
I want the things they have at the hospital for after you give birth (water wands?)! Is that similar to how a bidet works?
Corncobs baffle me... who first looked at those and thought, "You know what that would be good for?" 4 -
So over the top.... nobody talks that the situation is under control in China? Numbers of cases stabilized .... 3 weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105
Winter is phasing out. So much drama for so little, on a global perspective.
*Great time to buy stock or funds.*
Is that why China went on lockdown? for "so little"?
What would the curve have been if China had considered it to be "so little"?17 -
There's a wide berth between sticking our heads in the sand and putting ourselves, family and community at risk.
We have to find our balance.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Luckily to not infected https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-found-in-toilet-paper/
I think that image was meant as a joke.
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Our governor just announced that public events with more than 1,000 people, including all major sporting events, have been cancelled through May 1, and he also urged organizers to call off private and public gatherings of more than 250 people.
As noted above, this seemed to be happening already.1 -
cosmiqrecovery wrote: »my dad went back to the hospital yesterday. treatment stopped working, breathing trouble started back up, had to get another nebulizer and stronger pneumonia medicine. he specifically asked the doctor to test him for covid19. doctor told him he couldn't test him because he "didn't qualify." a few minutes later after the doctor leaves a nurse comes in and says that the doctor's lying, they just don't have any test kits. this isn't some backwater clinic, this is a major university hospital we're talking about here, and they have zero way of testing for this thing even if they wanted to. i visited him last weekend after they told him he had a non-contagious infection, and about five days later, surprise! i'm feeling feverish. great healthcare system we got going here.
Sorry to hear about your dad
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This is good:
"Illinois has gotten a federal waiver allowing schools that may be closed for coronavirus precautions to provide food to students outside of a group setting. The Illinois State Board of Education learned Thursday afternoon the waiver had been granted, a spokeswoman said.
In many school districts, students rely on free breakfast and lunch provided through a federal program. More than three-quarters of Chicago Public Schools students are considered economically disadvantaged, according to CPS, meaning they would have qualified for free or reduced price lunch before the meals became free to all students under a federal provision that provides the two meals for all students in locations where more than 40% qualify.
While schools can use the USDA’s summer meal programs to continue providing free meals during unexpected closures, the food legally has to be served in a group setting known as “congregate feeding.” But that would defeat the purpose of closing schools to prevent spread of the coronavirus by “social distancing.”
Only in public health emergencies does USDA have the authority to waive this requirement, and during a hearing this week, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue said the USDA can only grant waivers on a case-by-case basis at the request of individual states. However, Perdue said the USDA will grant any request.
“If you ask we are going to say yes,” Perdue said. “We are essentially saying we just have fulfill that requirement by being asked, but the answer is yes.”
States can also request waivers of other requirements."9 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Luckily to not infected https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-found-in-toilet-paper/
Just for emphasis:
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This is good:
"Illinois has gotten a federal waiver allowing schools that may be closed for coronavirus precautions to provide food to students outside of a group setting. The Illinois State Board of Education learned Thursday afternoon the waiver had been granted, a spokeswoman said.
In many school districts, students rely on free breakfast and lunch provided through a federal program. More than three-quarters of Chicago Public Schools students are considered economically disadvantaged, according to CPS, meaning they would have qualified for free or reduced price lunch before the meals became free to all students under a federal provision that provides the two meals for all students in locations where more than 40% qualify.
While schools can use the USDA’s summer meal programs to continue providing free meals during unexpected closures, the food legally has to be served in a group setting known as “congregate feeding.” But that would defeat the purpose of closing schools to prevent spread of the coronavirus by “social distancing.”
Only in public health emergencies does USDA have the authority to waive this requirement, and during a hearing this week, U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Sonny Perdue said the USDA can only grant waivers on a case-by-case basis at the request of individual states. However, Perdue said the USDA will grant any request.
“If you ask we are going to say yes,” Perdue said. “We are essentially saying we just have fulfill that requirement by being asked, but the answer is yes.”
States can also request waivers of other requirements."
I've been wondering about this situation. Thanks for sharing.1 -
cosmiqrecovery wrote: »my dad went back to the hospital yesterday. treatment stopped working, breathing trouble started back up, had to get another nebulizer and stronger pneumonia medicine. he specifically asked the doctor to test him for covid19. doctor told him he couldn't test him because he "didn't qualify." a few minutes later after the doctor leaves a nurse comes in and says that the doctor's lying, they just don't have any test kits. this isn't some backwater clinic, this is a major university hospital we're talking about here, and they have zero way of testing for this thing even if they wanted to. i visited him last weekend after they told him he had a non-contagious infection, and about five days later, surprise! i'm feeling feverish. great healthcare system we got going here.
Sorry your dad is going through that.
But maybe it explains why Gobert was tested for flu, strep, whatever in Utah, but when they all came back negative, wasn’t tested for corona, but then was tested when he hit Oklahoma. Also hints that now, after testing the 58 basketball players, Oklahoma may not have enough tests to go around, either.4 -
I went to brunch at a small local restaurant, here in California last Monday and yesterday, Wednesday I developed a mild-ish sore throat. This morning woke up and still had it. No fever, but feeling rather tired. I called my Doc to find out if I could be tested and then heard that for regular people like me there are no test available. Doc's office called back and said test is only available for people with severe symptoms. So I plan to stay home, rest, and drink plenty of hot tea. Easy for me to do as I'm retired. I'm in good health and exercise regularly but at 74, it's concerning.
Hubs and I are well stocked up on food and I'm trying to stay as far away from him as I can. Offered to sleep in a different bedroom for now but he wouldn't hear of it. But I'm not coughing much and hoping that if this is CV that it's a mild case.
I have a feeling that CV is much more prevalent then most people realize. So please do yourself a favor. Don't go anywhere that isn't absolutely necessary. Will try to keep you posted about my progress or lack there of.
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snowflake954 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »
Here is their definition: "Mass gathering" means any public or private gathering that brings together one hundred (100) or more individuals in a single room or connected space in close proximity to one another, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theaters, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space, but does not include normal operations at airports, on other forms of transit, shopping malls, or other spaces where 100 or more individuals may be in transit. "Mass gathering" does not include family gatherings such as weddings or funerals, shelters, retail stores or grocery stores, typical office environments, businesses, courthouses, restaurants and bars, correctional and detention facilities, schools and educational institutions, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, and other health care and congregate care facilities, and places of worship operating during "normal business hours."
So no, it's basically just targeting special events. But I wonder if that will change.
It will--logic.
I assume a lot of those exemptions will change but I don't know if that will be done at the state level, more locally, or by each business/facility individually.0 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
I want the things they have at the hospital for after you give birth (water wands?)! Is that similar to how a bidet works?
Corncobs baffle me... who first looked at those and thought, "You know what that would be good for?"
Too bad Waterpiks put out such a small stream.9
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