Coronavirus prep
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CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »Welp, over here in coastal VA, I think I'm going to go to the grocery store and stock up before the weekend hits.
I actually do need more TP at this time, and it wouldn't hurt to pick up some more canned and dry goods. My hurricane prep stuff is super low. I also need a ton of baby snacks, chicken, eggs, cereal to keep the four year old happy. And I ordered more protein bars online today. Ooh, and Whatsisface's favorite soda.
Update with TP status:
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rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »extra_medium wrote: »Italy in bad shape. Over 600 dead and over 10k active cases. Hospitals stopped all operations / procedures and overflowing caring for covid patients. Bad scene! We need to be vigilant and people need to stop poo pooing claiming it's just no worse than a regular flu blah blah it is killing people globally.
The regular flu kills people globally
We have the regular flu every year in Italy--it's not on this scale.
https://www.thelocal.it/20200123/flu-outbreak-in-italy-half-a-million-people-struck-down-in-a-week
This was 2019/2020. Almost 3 Million cases reported by Jan 19 and half a million additional in just one week. At the time of the report deaths were approaching 300. I'm not downplaying the dangers of COVID-19 but the only difference in scale (the flu was worse) is mostly in the response to the outbreak.
With this kind of logic don't you think it's strange that the country didn't go into quarantine in January? The Northern part of Italy is now begging the government to shut down public transportation and all shops and stores that are non-essential. I've seen doctors and nurses crying on TV and begging people to stay home and follow government guidelines. If you feel better believing that this is just a flu then good for you.
For people that want to slow the progression of the virus: no non-essential travel (yes, cancel those vacations), stay away from crowded places, if you go out, wash your hands as soon as you enter your home, keep a distance when meeting and greeting people, avoid touching people, be sensible, do what you need to and look around and see if you can help elderly or infirm by shopping for them and keeping in touch by phone so they don't feel abandoned.
This will pass, but please don't tell people that it's "just the flu" and go about business as usual. I've seen what happens when you do that. Stay safe people.
It's not "just the flu," however I am concerned the responses are promoting panic over preparedness.
In the US this so far this flu season:- 34 million illnesses
- 350,000 hospitalizations
- 20,000 deaths
Realistically, we should (all) exercise more caution during flu season. And if this is how we get there, I am happy for the increased awareness of how easily viruses can be passed. However, where we should be promoting calm and rationality, as well as respect for our more vulnerable citizens, I instead see panic. Such as the doctors and nurses crying on TV mentioned above. How does health officials panic-sobbing help keep citizens calm and following procedures meant to help keep everyone safe? It seems akin to yelling fire in a crowded theater instead of asking folks to get up and quickly proceed to the nearest exit.
I feel like you don’t get what’s happening in Italy right now. Doctors are having to decide who lives and who to just let die because there isn’t enough equipment to go around. One specific example I was given - two otherwise healthy 40 year olds need to be on a respirator, only one respirator, so since one of the 40 year olds has two kids, he gets to keep breathing and the other guy doesn’t. Crying about having to watch people in your care die without helping them is not “panic sobbing,” it’s called grief.
Honestly, if a health care professional wasn't gutted in that situation, I wouldn't trust them to care for me or my family. I know some nurses and doctors and I think they'd all feel intensely if they were in the shoes of those people.20 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »This is a good article that hits all the high points...no pun intended, but it also explains the Flattening of the Curve and why it's important and why things are being done the way they are (with closings and travel bans etc.)
Herd Immunity is a BIG deal...and that's what we have with the seasonal flu, plus we have widespread vaccine use for the seasonal flu. Yes, a lot of people die of the regular flu, but they don't all present at hospitals in a one-month period of time, and they do present at a fairly predictable rate and it's not half the population needing medical help all at the same time.
I haven't gotten any flu in decades, but I do get a flu shot every year. I am careful and I am healthy but I have herd immunity to partially thank for that.
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine
Specifically about flattening the curve:
https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21171481/coronavirus-us-cases-quarantine-cancellation
Is there any idea of what that time frame looks like in the graph? All I see right now is that things are getting cancelled and postponed indefinitely into the future. If there was a known effective time frame (it look like there is, but the chart isn't marked), then that would ease some concerns. I, for one, would be unhappy if everything is getting cancelled for the "this year and next."
That graph is from the CDC.
The first article specifically delves into, "How Does This End?" - https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2020/3/6/21161234/coronavirus-covid-19-science-outbreak-ends-endemic-vaccine
Since this is a New Approach (social distancing/mass closings) we've not tried before with novel viruses, I think your guess is as good as mine.
Sounds like it really isn't known or predicted. I'm not suggesting an end to the virus. In fact, I can see that it becomes a thing that goes around indefinitely like the common cold. I am hoping there is a timeline soon about how long everything gets canceled before the "Flattening of the Curve" is complete and we can start going on with our normal lives again. I'm not concerned about the virus, but I am concerned about the results from panic and uncertainty of indefinite postponement and impending cancellation of events.
Social distancing measure are reducing numbers in China and South Korea...In the US, these measures have started to be put in place way before the numbers reached the level they were in China and Italy (South Korea has had the best response).
It will likely be a thing that goes around like the flu or the cold...but it will also be something for which we will build up herd immunity and vaccinations will ultimately be a thing which will make it more manageable going forward as the speed at which it spreads will slow, allowing the health care system to be able to keep up with it.7 -
@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.0 -
Big 10 college sports conference is "canceling all conference and non-conference competitions through the end of the academic year, including spring sports that compete beyond the academic year, and participation in all NCAA tournaments and competitions. In addition, the Conference has announced a moratorium on all on- and off-campus recruiting activities for the foreseeable future."
https://bigten.org/news/2020/3/12/big-ten-statement.aspx1 -
Maryland has cancelled all public schools1
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After everything that has happened in the past few days, how are there still people with their heads so far in the sand that they still think this isn't a big deal?
No, you don't need to panic, but it is highly advisable to prepare for the very real possibility of social distancing measures and quarantines.
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my dad went back to the hospital yesterday. treatment stopped working, breathing trouble started back up, had to get another nebulizer and stronger pneumonia medicine. he specifically asked the doctor to test him for covid19. doctor told him he couldn't test him because he "didn't qualify." a few minutes later after the doctor leaves a nurse comes in and says that the doctor's lying, they just don't have any test kits. this isn't some backwater clinic, this is a major university hospital we're talking about here, and they have zero way of testing for this thing even if they wanted to. i visited him last weekend after they told him he had a non-contagious infection, and about five days later, surprise! i'm feeling feverish. great healthcare system we got going here.40
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@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals.
I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 
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FYI: Report of the WHO-China Joint Mission on Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf0 -
I told my 91 year old dad the same thing, and I'm worried for his mental as well as physical health. He is very active and social, he goes to mass twice a week, the gym three times, organizes a senior bus trip twice a month and on and on. I dont know how he'll cope when he has to self isolate.
I hadn't thought about the mental and emotional health risks to people who are used to being social, as well as the actual physical risk of becoming sick. It seems to me that the stress would make some people even more vulnerable.
yes this concerns me too.
My father is 80 and very active like that too.
However his modern technology skills are next to zero and he does not own a computer or a smart phone.
So self isolating will be so much harder for him than it would be for me, who could at least connect to outside world via social media and would at least be isolated together with the other member of my household.
Whereas some older people will have nobody to talk to, either virtually or face to face for weeks at a time.
perhaps something for us all to keep in mind and make sure we are regularly phoning any older people stuck home alone.
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Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 5 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
Corncobs > pinecones for sure5 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »
Here is their definition: "Mass gathering" means any public or private gathering that brings together one hundred (100) or more individuals in a single room or connected space in close proximity to one another, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theaters, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space, but does not include normal operations at airports, on other forms of transit, shopping malls, or other spaces where 100 or more individuals may be in transit. "Mass gathering" does not include family gatherings such as weddings or funerals, shelters, retail stores or grocery stores, typical office environments, businesses, courthouses, restaurants and bars, correctional and detention facilities, schools and educational institutions, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, and other health care and congregate care facilities, and places of worship operating during "normal business hours."
So no, it's basically just targeting special events. But I wonder if that will change.3 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
Bidet > Charmin Ultrasoft Mega > Other consumer TP > commercial TP which is all that's now available in stores near me > newspaper > moss (early medieval) > corncob > left hand7 -
I just had a play that I was supposed to go to get cancelled. The Chicago Symphony hasn't cancelled yet, but I suspect that will be next.3
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Sometimes it's time for dark humor.
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I just had a play that I was supposed to go to get cancelled. The Chicago Symphony hasn't cancelled yet, but I suspect that will be next.
i'm sitting here waiting for the ax to drop on the mcr reunion tour even if it's six months from now. sure as *kitten* hope this mess doesn't go on that long.1 -
I don’t know how things are where everyone else lives, but I’ve seen empty shelves in grocery stores before. Lots of times.
We have a bad snowstorm about once every 5-10 years. On the day the weatherman says tomorrow’s the day, the stores do what they can, but by 5:30 pm, all the hamburger, stew meat, ground turkey, cornbread, and cornbread mix is gone from our town and you know we are all having chili tonight. All the wood outside the store goes fast, too.
When the weatherman says big tornadoes are coming, water and toilet paper disappear. Although I haven’t noticed anything like that around here, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit to see it soon.
Not panic, just taking care of business, thinking ahead.5 -
So over the top.... nobody talks that the situation is under control in China? Numbers of cases stabilized .... 3 weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105
Winter is phasing out. So much drama for so little, on a global perspective.
*Great time to buy stock or funds.*
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Luckily to not infected https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-found-in-toilet-paper/1
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corinasue1143 wrote: »
Here is their definition: "Mass gathering" means any public or private gathering that brings together one hundred (100) or more individuals in a single room or connected space in close proximity to one another, such as an auditorium, stadium, arena, large conference room, meeting hall, theaters, or any other confined indoor or outdoor space, but does not include normal operations at airports, on other forms of transit, shopping malls, or other spaces where 100 or more individuals may be in transit. "Mass gathering" does not include family gatherings such as weddings or funerals, shelters, retail stores or grocery stores, typical office environments, businesses, courthouses, restaurants and bars, correctional and detention facilities, schools and educational institutions, hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, and other health care and congregate care facilities, and places of worship operating during "normal business hours."
So no, it's basically just targeting special events. But I wonder if that will change.
It will--logic.2 -
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals. I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society.
I want the things they have at the hospital for after you give birth (water wands?)! Is that similar to how a bidet works?
Corncobs baffle me... who first looked at those and thought, "You know what that would be good for?" 4 -
So over the top.... nobody talks that the situation is under control in China? Numbers of cases stabilized .... 3 weeks ago.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51235105
Winter is phasing out. So much drama for so little, on a global perspective.
*Great time to buy stock or funds.*
Is that why China went on lockdown? for "so little"?
What would the curve have been if China had considered it to be "so little"?17 -
There's a wide berth between sticking our heads in the sand and putting ourselves, family and community at risk.
We have to find our balance.
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JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Luckily to not infected https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-19-found-in-toilet-paper/
I think that image was meant as a joke.
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Our governor just announced that public events with more than 1,000 people, including all major sporting events, have been cancelled through May 1, and he also urged organizers to call off private and public gatherings of more than 250 people.
As noted above, this seemed to be happening already.1
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