Coronavirus prep
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My main concern with encountering others when I'm out walking is can I pat their dogs? Like, obviously the dog isn't going to have the virus, but if their person has it, can the virus survive on pup's fur for a time? Is it even worth going for a walk if I can't pat all the dogs?
ETA: keeping my distance from people goes without saying.8 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »Walmart isn't delivering or allowing any advance choice, of future delivery dates & my local grocery store's time slots're sold out, through March 22nd.
@DecadeDuchess I placed an order today and there wasn't any information about this, it was Walmart.com not the grocery though. Is it the same with Walmart.com? I have some stuff like cat litter I'll really need next week so if it's true for walmart.com then I'll need to brave the stores.0 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »Walmart isn't delivering or allowing any advance choice, of future delivery dates & my local grocery store's time slots're sold out, through March 22nd.
@DecadeDuchess I placed an order today and there wasn't any information about this, it was Walmart.com not the grocery though. Is it the same with Walmart.com? I have some stuff like cat litter I'll really need next week so if it's true for walmart.com then I'll need to brave the stores.
I ordered some quarantine(and regular day-to-day) chocolates on Amazon. Prime delivery should have been yesterday, but due to the intense overload of orders, the earliest I can get my order will be Thursday. I'm not worried, but it just shows how much of an overload the "system" is having due to grocery stores selling out of certain things, or people fearing going out.4 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
Well my garden is on my own property and nobody else lives here.
Hiking if you see someone then stepping off the trail a 6 to 10 feet is absolutely a possibility near me.
Biking you quickly pass and you can do so at that6 ft distance.
Getting outside is good for mental health, vitamin d levels, and overall health but yes a big passing space.15 -
cmhubbard92 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Walmart isn't delivering or allowing any advance choice, of future delivery dates & my local grocery store's time slots're sold out, through March 22nd.
@DecadeDuchess I placed an order today and there wasn't any information about this, it was Walmart.com not the grocery though. Is it the same with Walmart.com? I have some stuff like cat litter I'll really need next week so if it's true for walmart.com then I'll need to brave the stores.
I ordered some quarantine(and regular day-to-day) chocolates on Amazon. Prime delivery should have been yesterday, but due to the intense overload of orders, the earliest I can get my order will be Thursday. I'm not worried, but it just shows how much of an overload the "system" is having due to grocery stores selling out of certain things, or people fearing going out.
Shoot. I ordered cat food on Sunday from Amazon since there was none available here. It said at the time it was in stock and would be here Prime aka Tuesday, but now it says it hasn’t even shipped yet and will be here Thursday. It also says it’s sold out and will be available in one to two days if you go to buy it. I wonder if it exists or if I just won’t get it.2 -
I work in public transit and I am scared what happens if we shut down or if we don't15
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It should have been fairly obvious that collection and delivery services for grocery stores would be in hot demand. Just one of the reasons why people in this thread have been saying for the past two weeks that ensuring you have at least two weeks' food supply is a sensible thing to do (if you are able to do that financially, etc). Because yeah, you're probably not going to get same or even next day delivery at this point.
It beggars belief that some people still seem to have been taken by surprise.
If you're running low on food and unable or unwilling to go to the supermarket, put an order in. Now.7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »It should have been fairly obvious that collection and delivery services for grocery stores would be in hot demand. Just one of the reasons why people in this thread have been saying for the past two weeks that ensuring you have at least two weeks' food supply is a sensible thing to do (if you are able to do that financially, etc). Because yeah, you're probably not going to get same or even next day delivery at this point.
It beggars belief that some people still seem to have been taken by surprise.
If you're running low on food and unable or unwilling to go to the supermarket, put an order in. Now.
I am all set for self-isolation except for not having fresh fruit and vegetables for a period of time will be hard, especially when I eat around 10 serves of the stuff a day.
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Update from Belgium: our neighbour country France is in complete lockdown, as well as Switzerland. We now have over a 1.000 reported cases with 10 fatalities (for a pop of 12M) and we expect to go from semi lockdown to full by the end of the week. Borders are closing.
It is surreal! A few weeks ago I told hubbie how surreal it was that a complete province in China was having a lockdown, thinking about a few horror movies we've seen. And now, we are in the same situation.
People, if you are not in a lockdown yet, try to self quarantine as much as possible, even if you are young and in good health. Do not visit your (grand)parents, but call/skype them. Cancel all parties and private gatherings and do not hoard !
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Lillymoo01 wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »It should have been fairly obvious that collection and delivery services for grocery stores would be in hot demand. Just one of the reasons why people in this thread have been saying for the past two weeks that ensuring you have at least two weeks' food supply is a sensible thing to do (if you are able to do that financially, etc). Because yeah, you're probably not going to get same or even next day delivery at this point.
It beggars belief that some people still seem to have been taken by surprise.
If you're running low on food and unable or unwilling to go to the supermarket, put an order in. Now.
I am all set for self-isolation except for not having fresh fruit and vegetables for a period of time will be hard, especially when I eat around 10 serves of the stuff a day.
Yup. I haven't solved how to get around that (other than food delivery) yet if the need arises. Though, in my little town, going to the supermarket at 9.30 in the evening pretty much guarantees you have the place to yourself. Use self checkout, contactless payment (though emails from both supermarkets today say they are putting more sanitiser wipes and gel around the stores). Done.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »cmhubbard92 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »Walmart isn't delivering or allowing any advance choice, of future delivery dates & my local grocery store's time slots're sold out, through March 22nd.
@DecadeDuchess I placed an order today and there wasn't any information about this, it was Walmart.com not the grocery though. Is it the same with Walmart.com? I have some stuff like cat litter I'll really need next week so if it's true for walmart.com then I'll need to brave the stores.
I ordered some quarantine(and regular day-to-day) chocolates on Amazon. Prime delivery should have been yesterday, but due to the intense overload of orders, the earliest I can get my order will be Thursday. I'm not worried, but it just shows how much of an overload the "system" is having due to grocery stores selling out of certain things, or people fearing going out.
Shoot. I ordered cat food on Sunday from Amazon since there was none available here. It said at the time it was in stock and would be here Prime aka Tuesday, but now it says it hasn’t even shipped yet and will be here Thursday. It also says it’s sold out and will be available in one to two days if you go to buy it. I wonder if it exists or if I just won’t get it.
One of my cats needs hypoallergenic food, options for what I can feed her are really limited. Her prescription food is made in the US. I'm planning to have my vet clinic order in several trays for me next week when I have the money for it. Just in case. Also going to check if there may be any issues getting another of my cat's medications (yes, I have a house of special needs cats!).9 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Potential great news but it's too early to tell if this will work. I'm hearing of rapid potential treatments, not vaccines. One is the one Snowflake mentioned around a week ago -- the RA drug which slows the progression in the lungs. This other one, which slows the replication of the virus, might show a lot more promise. It was developed for Ebola.
https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/coronavirus-remdesivir-gilead-antiviral-drug-covid-19/573261/
There's also another strategy I've heard of as well. They take the antibodies from those that have had it and recovered and administer them to people that haven't had it yet. That would be a longer term play, though.
It's not they won't find a vaccine, I think they will, but these are strategies meant to minimize deaths until we find a vaccine. World wide, pharmaceutical companies are working hard to find solutions.
The RA drug is hydroxychloroquine, otherwise known as Plaquenil. I've been on it since 2004. The data coming out of China and S Korea as far as the impact of the drug on COVID-19 is very encouraging, both as a treatment to lessen severity, and as prophylactic. They really need to speed up the evaluatory process of that one. Hydroxychloroquine is generic, cheap, and widely/easily available - a paradigm shift from the whole "18 months to develop a vaccine" mantra, although it is not a vaccine.
The notion that something good might come from having the disease process that led to being on the drug all these years is so twistedly ironic and bizarre I can't even describe it. I've got family members hounding me for a handful or two of those things.
I'm actually reading about five different ones at the same time. They aren't a vaccine, so it doesn't really change the time frame for vaccines (though I've read they just skipped the animal testing, going straight to human trials on vaccines). What the RA pills do is reduce your immune system, which isn't great for prevention of the COVID-19. But when it attacks the lungs, there's a cytokine storm, where you immune system attacks itself and (from a very layman's perspective), what's left of your lungs turn to fluid and you can't breathe. The RA meds are for those that progress to the stage where the lungs are filling with fluid. That can stop that enough until you recover.
Not really. Reports out of S Korea and China are that hydroxychloroquine is not just effective for lessening the symptoms of COVID-19, but also as a prophylactic - i.e. prevention of onset.
Needless to say, this will probably not turn out to be the silver bullet that people are hoping for, but if it works somewhat, for some people, it's a lot better than nothing, and could save lives while waiting for a vaccine.
FYI Hydroxycholoquine does not reduce your immune system. That is to say, it is not an "immunosuppresant" like Humira or Enbrel, which is why it's traditionally the first-line treatment for rheumatology patients before getting into methotrexate and all that stuff - i.e. "start small". For some patients (I was one of them) hydroxycholorquine is enough on its own to manage a rheumatological problem, whereas others must progress to harder-core interventions. Technically speaking, hydroxychloroquine is classified as a DMARD - disease modifying anti-rheumatic drug. DMARDs are not immunosuppresants. They alter the functioning of the immune system, as oppose to reducing it. In so doing, they modify things like the ph balance in some cells, which in the case of COVID-19, turns out to be helpful.
Unlike immunosuppresants, which have many side effects and can cause more problems than they solve because they are indeed reducing your immune system response (think infections), hydroxychloroquine has a very light side effect footprint and is well tolerated. I think I may have had an upset stomach for a week when I started taking it sixteen years ago, which is common, but since then, nothing. It's like popping an aspirin or a Lipitor; there isn't much to it. So my feeling is, if it can help some people, they ought to be thinking about getting it out there en masse. In conjunction with working their a$$es off to develop a vaccine.10 -
Our local news channel shared a very disturbing story tonight of a local couple who both ended up in the hospital and tested positive. The husband caught it first, went to the ER, was misdiagnosed with the flu. A week later his wife developed a little cough. The following day she was ill enough to go to the hospital. On day 3 she was medically sedated, put on a ventilator and emergency transported to Emory. She's still in critical condition. She's 36 with no underlying health problems.
One thing that'd be really helpful is if the powers-that-be could stop pretending that COVID-19 is a disease of 80 year olds and therefore that the main thing the rest of us should worry about is helping out the ole' folks in the nursing homes.
Healthy 40 year old doctors are dying from caring for caronavirus patients, as are plenty of other middle aged and younger people in some countries, even if the disease's bias is toward older folk (for now - viruses mutate).
I think the powers-that-be wanted to avoid a panic and slanted the initial story-line toward "do your part to save others who are at risk, even though you basically aren't" as a result, because it's less panic-inducing than "leave your house and you could die." But events on the ground have outpaced the messaging and it's time for folks to face up to what this pandemic is about.
Even as the govt is more or less still sticking to its "under 60? Don't sweat it!" narrative, whole cities are in lockdown. There's quite a disconnect between the verbiage and the actual policies. Actions speak louder than words, no?17 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
It's the outdoors. Can't people give each six feet (or 20 feet) berth?snowflake954 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
You need to keep a 4 ft--1 meter distance. Zigzag if you meet someone.DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
Well my garden is on my own property and nobody else lives here.
Hiking if you see someone then stepping off the trail a 6 to 10 feet is absolutely a possibility near me.
Biking you quickly pass and you can do so at that6 ft distance.
Getting outside is good for mental health, vitamin d levels, and overall health but yes a big passing space.
For example Mount Everest's vast, yet there're trails where traffic jams form. If you take all of the regulars, that use a hiking trail & now mix the people that're unable to go to their gym they'll most likely be congestion of people, where which maintaining a reasonable distance between them might be implausible. Otherwise, it depends.NorthCascades wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
I can spend an hour or two at the Nordic ski area, and pass the few people I see with 6 feet of space, in a couple seconds. It's true the virus doesn't know where you are, the difference though is you pass by so many more people at the grocery store, and spend more time in the presence of strangers. You have to go to the store at least occasionally, you can't stockpile 2 months worth of milk, it'll go bad.
The difference being's that, grocery shopping's necessary but otherwise, I agree.2 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »Walmart isn't delivering or allowing any advance choice, of future delivery dates & my local grocery store's time slots're sold out, through March 22nd.
@DecadeDuchess I placed an order today and there wasn't any information about this, it was Walmart.com not the grocery though. Is it the same with Walmart.com? I have some stuff like cat litter I'll really need next week so if it's true for walmart.com then I'll need to brave the stores.
I meant: Walmart Grocery. I know that with Walmart, next day delivery was unavailable.0 -
Antiopelle wrote: »Update from Belgium: our neighbour country France is in complete lockdown, as well as Switzerland. We now have over a 1.000 reported cases with 10 fatalities (for a pop of 12M) and we expect to go from semi lockdown to full by the end of the week. Borders are closing.
It is surreal! A few weeks ago I told hubbie how surreal it was that a complete province in China was having a lockdown, thinking about a few horror movies we've seen. And now, we are in the same situation.
People, if you are not in a lockdown yet, try to self quarantine as much as possible, even if you are young and in good health. Do not visit your (grand)parents, but call/skype them. Cancel all parties and private gatherings and do not hoard !
Here, in Italy, we have 27,000 infected (that we know of-counted), 2,000 deaths and about the same amount are "cured". I say that because even if you're cured they are saying that your lungs can look like swiss cheese. So it doesn't end there. Perhaps that's why China is terrified of reinfection.18 -
Our local news channel shared a very disturbing story tonight of a local couple who both ended up in the hospital and tested positive. The husband caught it first, went to the ER, was misdiagnosed with the flu. A week later his wife developed a little cough. The following day she was ill enough to go to the hospital. On day 3 she was medically sedated, put on a ventilator and emergency transported to Emory. She's still in critical condition. She's 36 with no underlying health problems.
One thing that'd be really helpful is if the powers-that-be could stop pretending that COVID-19 is a disease of 80 year olds and therefore that the main thing the rest of us should worry about is helping out the ole' folks in the nursing homes.
Healthy 40 year old doctors are dying from caring for caronavirus patients, as are plenty of other middle aged and younger people in some countries, even if the disease's bias is toward older folk (for now - viruses mutate).
I think the powers-that-be wanted to avoid a panic and slanted the initial story-line toward "do your part to save others who are at risk, even though you basically aren't" as a result, because it's less panic-inducing than "leave your house and you could die." But events on the ground have outpaced the messaging and it's time for folks to face up to what this pandemic is about.
Even as the govt is more or less still sticking to its "under 60? Don't sweat it!" narrative, whole cities are in lockdown. There's quite a disconnect between the verbiage and the actual policies. Actions speak louder than words, no?
Exactly what you said. Thanks for your posts. This virus is capable of causing panic--that's why things are done in steps, so people will get used to the idea and come to realize that it is very serious, and you need drastic measures. Those drastic measures will come. People will now accept them. The government can shut businesses down, and tell people to stay home, etc.. But they cannot make them. The populace has to be behind this. The situation is evolving constantly--a bit like COV19.12 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
It's the outdoors. Can't people give each six feet (or 20 feet) berth?snowflake954 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
You need to keep a 4 ft--1 meter distance. Zigzag if you meet someone.DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
Well my garden is on my own property and nobody else lives here.
Hiking if you see someone then stepping off the trail a 6 to 10 feet is absolutely a possibility near me.
Biking you quickly pass and you can do so at that6 ft distance.
Getting outside is good for mental health, vitamin d levels, and overall health but yes a big passing space.
For example Mount Everest's vast, yet there're trails where traffic jams form. If you take all of the regulars, that use a hiking trail & now mix the people that're unable to go to their gym they'll most likely be congestion of people, where which maintaining a reasonable distance between them might be implausible. Otherwise, it depends.NorthCascades wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »I am not understanding all of those that're supposedly taken this seriously, yet plan to and/or already're doing outdoor activities. If we were to pass by each other upon a hiking trail, it's like passing by each other anywhere else needlessly. Actually it'd most likely be worse, due to our heavy breathing via exercise exertion. Than just casually walking via 1 room to another within a climate controlled environment, where our breathing intensity'd remain normal.
I can spend an hour or two at the Nordic ski area, and pass the few people I see with 6 feet of space, in a couple seconds. It's true the virus doesn't know where you are, the difference though is you pass by so many more people at the grocery store, and spend more time in the presence of strangers. You have to go to the store at least occasionally, you can't stockpile 2 months worth of milk, it'll go bad.
The difference being's that, grocery shopping's necessary but otherwise, I agree.
I go for a speed walk around our huge piazza in Italy for 45 min, and I leave at 6 in the morning--not a soul around. I'd say your fears are premature.16 -
I was at the grocery shop today and chips, of all things, are nowhere to be found. No potato chips, no corn chips, no rice chips, nothing. I think people may be hoarding them because it's a good shelf stable source of calories.
Edit: Interestingly, toilet paper is still available. Not a full shelf like usual, but still. Might have to do with the fact that many houses have bidets (including ours) or are used to washing up.6 -
News from Italy. All medical students near to finishing their studies will be put to work in the hospitals to help doctors and nurses. They made a clip of nurses after their turns. Poor things have cuts on their faces where the masks are tight. They are thanking the public for their support, and asking everyone to follow the guidelines. There are banners up outside all the hospitals, thanking the staff. Some are made by kids.24
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