Coronavirus prep
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »pitbullpuppy wrote: »I find it astonishing that in a first world country we have a lack of masks and gloves for everyone -- what a shame. Thanks for the input. Just to echo some other posts here, yes, it is airborne and there are studies saying that once a person coughs (for instance) the virus stays in the air for for 3 hours, and it travels further in A/C buildings (it goes 15 feet now). It also stays on surfaces for 3 days.
A reference for surface time cited and 15ft travel: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/03/14/811609026/the-new-coronavirus-can-live-on-surfaces-for-2-3-days-heres-how-to-clean-them --There are plenty of others if you don't trust NPR.
A reference for staying in the air: https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-resource-center
Or even just a reserve for frontline workers. This is New Zealand's 'disaster kit' national reserve (individual district health boards are also meant to have contingency supplies): https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/emergency-management/national-reserve-supplies/composition-national-reserve-supply I don't understand how any developed nation can not have something like this.
Part of the problem is that HCW's are going through supplies so quickly. Testing is still relatively limited at this point and results are slow. What that means is that every potential case needs to be treated as a positive until the diagnosis is confirmed. So now supplies (stocks and reserves) are being used at a much faster rate than would be anticipated in even the disaster plans in order to make sure that we do our best to keep the health care workforce healthy. All the way around, it's just an unprecedented situation. Like they say, "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy".
Assuming that each patient in ICU, is attended hourly by their nurse, and multiple times each day by physicians, RTs, possibly a dietitian, etc.), it could easily get up over 30 masks per day per patient (fewer if they are not requiring ICU, but still at about 20/day - and at this point procedure masks would be used if there is not aerosolizing procedures being undertaken). Now if the average hospital stay is 2 weeks (I'm not sure what the actual number is here, nor how many of those days would require ICU, I'm just trying to demonstrate the gravity of the requirements), that's 280-420 masks per patient. I can see how a system would easily get overwhelmed. I found a site that states a pallet of N95 masks have 6400 masks, that would last 15-22 patients. Because most of these patients in ICU would be ventilated, the N95 masks would be used.
Thanks @nutmegoreo!
So NZ's national reserve of N95's would be good for 21,428 ICU patients.
Give or take.
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My manager told me to work from home if I want. In turn, I told my direct report that she can work from home. I'll be starting WFH tomorrow. It was also just announced that all our branches are going to drive-thru only transactions. Crazy times.
In the meantime, I've been helping out my 72-year old grandmother by staying with my aunt with disabilities every other Thursday. My grandmother's been going to a small group while I provide care for my aunt. They are both in high-risk categories. My grandmother's age and the fact that she's a smoker and has high blood pressure makes her very high risk, and my aunt has severe lung damage from being in a fire years ago. My grandmother is still planning to go to her group. If I don't care for my aunt, my grandmother will just take her along. I don't want to potentially spread anything to them, but I also know that whether I help or not won't change my grandmother's behavior.
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bmeadows380 wrote: »Our biggest problem is that our condo buildings have inside corridors with little ventilation, so if someone passes through, their breath will hang in the air for awhile. And our washers/dryers are communal. We just need to figure out the earliest time possible on a weekend day that doesn't disturb people while at the same time no one will be around. We've been masking/gloving/wearing long sleeves, using our entry way (uncarpeted) as an area to spray everything (shoes, deliveries, groceries) with disinfectant. My husband is also putting together face protection with HEPA filters normally used in AC units.
I wonder if there would be a way for your condo association to perhaps set up times for residents to use the washer/dryers? If it was a small apartment complex, you could probably just set up sign up sheets for time slots, but if its a bigger area, that probably wouldn't be feasible. My experience in college, though, was that most people put their laundry in and then left to do other things, coming back a few hours later (could be a big pain, too, when they took up all the machines and you wanted to do laundry!)DecadeDuchess wrote: »SummerSkier wrote: »OK - so I have an idea. Instead of relying on health officials to do all the legwork. How about we all keep a daily diary of the places we have been and the people we have been in contact with. That way if we do come down with the virus, we already have everything concisely in one place to notify others quickly to try to contain the spread. I know if someone from work called me and said, hey I just got tested positive and am sick, I would take a LOT stronger measures as far as my movements and letting others around me know.
This' a great idea! Since anywhere that I've been I've a receipt of purchase/deposit via, I'll just keep those within order & add strips of paper if I've any contact, that wouldn't otherwise produce a transaction receipt between them.
I hadn't thought of that, but I do keep my receipts together per month to balance my checking account with, so I could track my movements by the dates on the receipts. At least for the places where I purchased something.
I always keep my receipts nicely together, mainly because if the ink easily wears off of it, I might be unable to return something.0 -
My other idea is for folks to take there temp on a daily basis to see what their normal is. Then at the slightest sign of a fever they would know because honestly sometimes it takes a few hrs/even a day before a fever gets bad enough for you to notice. Esp if you don't get sick or take your temp very often. At least you might catch the fever a little sooner and altho it might not be this, you would normally keep quarantine with a fever anyway.6
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My manager told me to work from home if I want. In turn, I told my direct report that she can work from home. I'll be starting WFH tomorrow. It was also just announced that all our branches are going to drive-thru only transactions. Crazy times.
In the meantime, I've been helping out my 72-year old grandmother by staying with my aunt with disabilities every other Thursday. My grandmother's been going to a small group while I provide care for my aunt. They are both in high-risk categories. My grandmother's age and the fact that she's a smoker and has high blood pressure makes her very high risk, and my aunt has severe lung damage from being in a fire years ago. My grandmother is still planning to go to her group. If I don't care for my aunt, my grandmother will just take her along. I don't want to potentially spread anything to them, but I also know that whether I help or not won't change my grandmother's behavior.
Will your bank take walk ups at the drive thru, for those of us without a vehicle since your lobby, isn't open?1 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »My manager told me to work from home if I want. In turn, I told my direct report that she can work from home. I'll be starting WFH tomorrow. It was also just announced that all our branches are going to drive-thru only transactions. Crazy times.
In the meantime, I've been helping out my 72-year old grandmother by staying with my aunt with disabilities every other Thursday. My grandmother's been going to a small group while I provide care for my aunt. They are both in high-risk categories. My grandmother's age and the fact that she's a smoker and has high blood pressure makes her very high risk, and my aunt has severe lung damage from being in a fire years ago. My grandmother is still planning to go to her group. If I don't care for my aunt, my grandmother will just take her along. I don't want to potentially spread anything to them, but I also know that whether I help or not won't change my grandmother's behavior.
Will your bank take walk ups at the drive thru, for those of us without a vehicle since your lobby, isn't open?
Yes, they'll take walk-ups to the front doors as well as vehicles through the drive-thru. We're not a retail bank, so we'll get very little walk-up traffic, if any.3 -
SummerSkier wrote: »My other idea is for folks to take there temp on a daily basis to see what their normal is. Then at the slightest sign of a fever they would know because honestly sometimes it takes a few hrs/even a day before a fever gets bad enough for you to notice. Esp if you don't get sick or take your temp very often. At least you might catch the fever a little sooner and altho it might not be this, you would normally keep quarantine with a fever anyway.
When I've a fever my forehead feels cold, to me & hot, when I don't have a fever.0 -
I just want to say.. I hope all of you remain safe and well. 18
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MikePfirrman wrote: »This, while scary, is also encouraging. Seems that the deaths have leveled off in Italy and haven't continued to grow. 2500 dead now there. So many still in ICU. It seems to have finally peaked and leveled off there. Their hospitals aren't nearly caught up yet, so it's not under control. Not even close.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/
I hope today was just an off trend blip... My heart breaks for Italy.10 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »My manager told me to work from home if I want. In turn, I told my direct report that she can work from home. I'll be starting WFH tomorrow. It was also just announced that all our branches are going to drive-thru only transactions. Crazy times.
In the meantime, I've been helping out my 72-year old grandmother by staying with my aunt with disabilities every other Thursday. My grandmother's been going to a small group while I provide care for my aunt. They are both in high-risk categories. My grandmother's age and the fact that she's a smoker and has high blood pressure makes her very high risk, and my aunt has severe lung damage from being in a fire years ago. My grandmother is still planning to go to her group. If I don't care for my aunt, my grandmother will just take her along. I don't want to potentially spread anything to them, but I also know that whether I help or not won't change my grandmother's behavior.
Will your bank take walk ups at the drive thru, for those of us without a vehicle since your lobby, isn't open?
Yes, they'll take walk-ups to the front doors as well as vehicles through the drive-thru. We're not a retail bank, so we'll get very little walk-up traffic, if any.
My bank's a typical branch, we get an even mixture of both but I am just a pedestrian, I've been curious concerning this plausibility.1 -
SummerSkier wrote: »OK - so I have an idea. Instead of relying on health officials to do all the legwork. How about we all keep a daily diary of the places we have been and the people we have been in contact with. That way if we do come down with the virus, we already have everything concisely in one place to notify others quickly to try to contain the spread. I know if someone from work called me and said, hey I just got tested positive and am sick, I would take a LOT stronger measures as far as my movements and letting others around me know.
I actually started doing that a few days ago, backtracking to last week. It would be really helpful to just hand over a list if asked, because, “Ummmm....uhhhhh....*kitten*” isn’t going to be helpful, and if you are like me, put me under duress of any kind, I tend to get a case of CRS. 😳5 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I just want to say.. I hope all of you remain safe and well.
Thank you, immensely! I know Australia's been through agony, with the fires alone & now this. I am very sorry.4 -
DecadeDuchess wrote: »slimgirljo15 wrote: »I just want to say.. I hope all of you remain safe and well.
Thank you, immensely! I know Australia's been through agony, with the fires alone & now this. I am very sorry.
Thank you, yeah.. we've had a tough run. 😔4 -
SummerSkier wrote: »My other idea is for folks to take there temp on a daily basis to see what their normal is. Then at the slightest sign of a fever they would know because honestly sometimes it takes a few hrs/even a day before a fever gets bad enough for you to notice. Esp if you don't get sick or take your temp very often. At least you might catch the fever a little sooner and altho it might not be this, you would normally keep quarantine with a fever anyway.
I had the same thought, but finding a thermometer right now to buy isn't the easiest and I somehow have never acquired one.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
The US surgeon general said this on Monday.
I've heard others saying it for quite a bit longer. It's one of those "tomorrow will never come" stories, right? As long as you say "2 weeks" every day for the next several months, it can never be proven wrong.
What they've been saying is that we are following Italy's track, which of course has changed over time. I've seen nothing that disputes that.
Re the Monday statement from the surgeon general:
US surgeon general: US cases are where Italy was 2 weeks ago
by: Associated Press
Posted: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT / Updated: Mar 16, 2020 / 09:44 AM CDT
WASHINGTON — The U.S. surgeon general said Monday that the number of coronavirus cases in the United States has reached the level that Italy recorded two weeks ago, a sign that infections are expected to rise in America as the government steps up testing and financial markets continue to fall.
“We are at a critical inflection point in this country, people. We are where Italy was two weeks ago in terms of our numbers,” U.S. Surgeon General Dr. Jerome Adams told Fox News. “When you look at the projections, there’s every chance that we could be Italy.”
Two weeks ago, there were 1,700 cases of coronavirus in Italy and the country had reported 34 deaths. Now, Italy is reporting an estimated 25,000 cases and more than 1,800 people have died. There are about 3,800 cases reported in the United States and so far, more than 65 people have died from coronavirus.
Read more: https://wgntv.com/news/coronavirus/us-surgeon-general-us-cases-are-where-italy-was-2-weeks-ago/
CDC says 7000 cases in US and 97 deaths. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html
However Johns Hopkins says, 7300 and 115 deaths. Ok that’s not the difference I thought I saw the other day... https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html . Anyway I’m probably missing the point about Italy, we’re way past the 1700 unless that’s adjusted per capita.
I would think adjusting per capita would be the right approach. But I don't think you can say precisely how many days behind we are and it likely varies some across the US given how big we are.
Our numbers (in my city and state) are jumping quickly right now in response to increased testing (and we already had a lot more testing than a lot of places). I'm trying to remind myself it's just confirming what we already knew was the case--lots of unconfirmed cases had to be out there.1 -
I read an interesting article this morning with stats on the spread throughout the world. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#italian-media One very scary item was the fact that 8.3% of the healthcare workers in Italy have caught the virus. In one area, 20% of the doctors got it. That should be a real warning for all healthcare workers to be extremely cautious.4
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SummerSkier wrote: »My other idea is for folks to take there temp on a daily basis to see what their normal is. Then at the slightest sign of a fever they would know because honestly sometimes it takes a few hrs/even a day before a fever gets bad enough for you to notice. Esp if you don't get sick or take your temp very often. At least you might catch the fever a little sooner and altho it might not be this, you would normally keep quarantine with a fever anyway.
I actually saw an interview from a couple that was on one of the cruise ships. The ship gave all the passengers thermometers when the quarantine began. This couple said they were taking their temperatures all the time as a joke--announcing that they were "still normal" in a going stir crazy kind of way. Well, the man developed a low grade fever that went higher and higher during the day. He got quarantined early, was sick about a week and recovered fully. He said it would have been another couple of days before he'd have felt bad enough to report symptoms and would have likely transmitted the virus to his wife, who never became ill.
So it's not such a far-fetched idea.10 -
One of the new protocol’s at my husband’s plant is supposed to be taking all employee’s temps before entry - except, they can’t get their hands on any scanner type thermometers! I don’t think any of the companies on site can. We have one at home, and he asked about taking it, but I told him there was a good chance it wouldn’t make it back... and when you have 4 children all sick at the same time (like just a couple weeks ago), it makes life so much easier to have a quick and relatively germ free way to check them all at the same time. If I didn’t think someone would swipe it, I wouldn’t mind at all...
ETA: frequent temp taking is a good idea. The kids think it’s fun to do and then compare so it wouldn’t take any convincing.3 -
I was wondering if the thermometer had to touch the skin but it doesn't. That's good to know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/business/coronavirus-temperature-sensor-guns.html0 -
So those do work?!? I sent hubby a pic of something like that at Lowe’s and jokingly asked if he wanted one for work (before things got too crazy). I think it’s the same as what you linked to anyway.Diatonic12 wrote: »I was wondering if the thermometer had to touch the skin but it doesn't. That's good to know.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/14/business/coronavirus-temperature-sensor-guns.html
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