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@pinuplove That was very sweet. It doesn't get any better than when we all look out for the seniors.
There was a time when people had to barter. It's gonna come back. Eggs for butter, bread for cereal and so on.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??12 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@pinuplove That was very sweet. It doesn't get any better than when we all look out for the seniors.
There was a time when people had to barter. It's gonna come back. Eggs for butter, bread for cereal and so on.
A friend of mine actually just posted on Facebook looking to swap eggs from her chickens for bread or flour.
One of our supermarket chains in NZ now has a limit of two on virtually all products (same or similar), except fresh produce (which hasn't become an issue here, possibly because we're still at people preparing in case they need to stay home). It's not a supply issue, it's a demand issue. They simply cannot restock the shelves quickly enough. Same supermarket has also shortened its opening hours (which blows a hole in my plan for stealth missions at 9.30 at night when it's quiet as). On the plus side, all the supermarkets are desperate for more staff, which gives jobs to people in tourism or hospitality who may be without work now.5 -
I was just at my local grocery which was nuts due to the shelter in place order we just got, but nothing was actually low or unavailable. I think just trust in your supply chain for things like food and paper products. I'm more worried about amazon shortages for computer stuff.3
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??
In the current form, yes. Even if you disagree about that, there is nothing inherent in the reaction (whether you think it is proper or not) by itself that proves or disproves whether it is overdone or not. So to make the point, "Things are being done, so that proves that doing things is not an over-reaction" still isn't a good point.
ETA: FTR, I've been in the "shut everything down" group for a few days, though will acknowledge I've been less vocal here than other social media. It is my view, though, that you either do nothing (lots of death, less economic loss) or you shut everything down and everybody stays home except a few essential workers (much less death, lots of economic loss). The current practices are providing plenty of economic loss without enough reduction in mortality to be worthwhile. Why should we push for the worst of both health and economic outcomes?! So I am in the "everybody stay home" camp as long as it is absolutely everybody (except a very few who are truly needed to respond). Since that isn't happening, closing half of things down is an over-reaction that just leads to economic losses and delays suffering. Someone like me is very likely to die in the future when I get laid off and can't afford insulin. I'm all for saving lives, but that means everyone stays home and there will need to be some economic relief to save lives as well.6 -
My sister, an RN, works at the AFB in Vegas. They have some cases there now. My mom, since passed, was an RN. I have a sister that is an RN, a Sister-in-Law, three nieces and a Brother in Law (that now runs a heart hospital) that will all be right there -- all nurses. And one of my other nieces is a Hospital chaplain. Another nephew a hospital security guard. So that might explain some of my concerns. A few of them thought it was overblown early. Now they are preparing for an onslaught, and quite honestly, scared quite a bit.11
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My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.6
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pancakerunner wrote: »I feel for all the parents out there who have to explain this situation to their children... Of everything, I am most concerned about the lasting physiological effects this is going to have on society.
My daughter in SF wanted to take the kids out for a (safe) walk yesterday and my 7 year old grandson started crying because he was scared to go outside. I lost a little piece of my heart. 😥28 -
I was just at my local grocery which was nuts due to the shelter in place order we just got, but nothing was actually low or unavailable. I think just trust in your supply chain for things like food and paper products. I'm more worried about amazon shortages for computer stuff.
I stopped at my local grocery. The TP was out and the selection of bread was a bit thin, both of which I expected. What I didn't expect was how little flour was available. I am getting a bit bored so I am starting a sourdough starter and thought I would load up on a bit more flour. I had a choice between one brand of all purpose, one self rising, or 2 brands of bread flour. I just needed 5 lb of all purpose so I wasn't going to be picky.
A couple of other changes: they were only selling coffee pre-packaged. The bulk bins were sealed off. They also are asking that you not bring in reusable bags or if you do, that you bag your own groceries to lessen any transference to the checkers/baggers.
I suspect that the hoarding has lessened but that the supply chains are disrupted. Maybe within a few days the stores will start to have reasonable stocks again.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »My sister, an RN, works at the AFB in Vegas. They have some cases there now. My mom, since passed, was an RN. I have a sister that is an RN, a Sister-in-Law, three nieces and a Brother in Law (that now runs a heart hospital) that will all be right there -- all nurses. And one of my other nieces is a Hospital chaplain. Another nephew a hospital security guard. So that might explain some of my concerns. A few of them thought it was overblown early. Now they are preparing for an onslaught, and quite honestly, scared quite a bit.
Ms. Vito: Well my father was a mechanic. His father was a mechanic. My mother's father was a mechanic. My three brothers are mechanics. Four uncles on my father's side are mechanics --
Trotter: Miss Vito, your family is obviously qualified. But have you ever worked as a mechanic?
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??
In the current form, yes. Even if you disagree about that, there is nothing inherent in the reaction (whether you think it is proper or not) by itself that proves or disproves whether it is overdone or not. So to make the point, "Things are being done, so that proves that doing things is not an over-reaction" still isn't a good point.
ETA: FTR, I've been in the "shut everything down" group for a few days, though will acknowledge I've been less vocal here than other social media. It is my view, though, that you either do nothing (lots of death, less economic loss) or you shut everything down and everybody stays home except a few essential workers (much less death, lots of economic loss). The current practices are providing plenty of economic loss without enough reduction in mortality to be worthwhile. Why should we push for the worst of both health and economic outcomes?! So I am in the "everybody stay home" camp as long as it is absolutely everybody (except a very few who are truly needed to respond). Since that isn't happening, closing half of things down is an over-reaction that just leads to economic losses and delays suffering. Someone like me is very likely to die in the future when I get laid off and can't afford insulin. I'm all for saving lives, but that means everyone stays home and there will need to be some economic relief to save lives as well.
Okay, thank you for that explanation
It actually sounds to me more like you think the measures are an under reaction, though (ie you're on Team "shut everything down with economic relief"). I would tend to agree that a lot of what is happening in many countries is a half-assed approach. 6 -
I was just at my local grocery which was nuts due to the shelter in place order we just got, but nothing was actually low or unavailable. I think just trust in your supply chain for things like food and paper products. I'm more worried about amazon shortages for computer stuff.
I stopped at my local grocery. The TP was out and the selection of bread was a bit thin, both of which I expected. What I didn't expect was how little flour was available. I am getting a bit bored so I am starting a sourdough starter and thought I would load up on a bit more flour. I had a choice between one brand of all purpose, one self rising, or 2 brands of bread flour. I just needed 5 lb of all purpose so I wasn't going to be picky.
A couple of other changes: they were only selling coffee pre-packaged. The bulk bins were sealed off. They also are asking that you not bring in reusable bags or if you do, that you bag your own groceries to lessen any transference to the checkers/baggers.
I suspect that the hoarding has lessened but that the supply chains are disrupted. Maybe within a few days the stores will start to have reasonable stocks again.
Yeah, I think being in a big city, or even my specific part of this city, has protected me from the supply chain disruption as I haven't seen it yet and it was getting back to normal before yesterday when everyone started anticipating the stay in place order.
And based on observation what I think people have been largely focusing on over the past couple of days is alcohol, which we sell at the grocery store.0 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.9 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Nony_Mouse wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
Are you actually still trying to argue that these measures are an over reaction??
In the current form, yes. Even if you disagree about that, there is nothing inherent in the reaction (whether you think it is proper or not) by itself that proves or disproves whether it is overdone or not. So to make the point, "Things are being done, so that proves that doing things is not an over-reaction" still isn't a good point.
ETA: FTR, I've been in the "shut everything down" group for a few days, though will acknowledge I've been less vocal here than other social media. It is my view, though, that you either do nothing (lots of death, less economic loss) or you shut everything down and everybody stays home except a few essential workers (much less death, lots of economic loss). The current practices are providing plenty of economic loss without enough reduction in mortality to be worthwhile. Why should we push for the worst of both health and economic outcomes?! So I am in the "everybody stay home" camp as long as it is absolutely everybody (except a very few who are truly needed to respond). Since that isn't happening, closing half of things down is an over-reaction that just leads to economic losses and delays suffering. Someone like me is very likely to die in the future when I get laid off and can't afford insulin. I'm all for saving lives, but that means everyone stays home and there will need to be some economic relief to save lives as well.
Okay, thank you for that explanation It actually sounds to me more like you think the measures are an under reaction, though (ie you're on Team "shut everything down with economic relief"). I would tend to agree that a lot of what is happening in many countries is a half-assed approach.
I guess that depends on the perspective. I'm just saying - either do something worthwhile or don't do anything. A half-way approach just screws everything up worse all around. At least the economy can eventually recover and can be helped to prevent people like me from dying later.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
Can't remember which state it was (not mine), but home repair/hardware was on their essential business list. Wondered, so checked, what would happen if someone's refrigerator broke down. Answer might be "big box home improvement store", perhaps.2 -
London has not gone into lockdown yet, but cafes, restaurants, gyms, bars, theatres were told not to re-open after tonight.
Potatoes are starting to get scarce in my bit of central London. Hubby managed to find some at the Bangladeshi supermarket. At least the ethnic grocers are still well stocked.
Just to point out that those measures do not just apply to London, but to the whole of the UK.
The Government have also announced some great measures for financial easement for both businesses and any employees who have to be laid off as a result.4 -
In Detroit (down the road from me), 5 police officers are confirmed positive, and 150-some are quarantined. That's "only" 7% of the force, but apparently it's concentrated in some parts of the city, so requiring some reallocations of personnel. If it gets worse, chief will possibly de-prioritize some less urgent investigative units for full staffing.
Before you start: I'm not catastrophizing about the horrors of Detroit, which tends to have some baggage about being an awful place. It has some serious challenges, but so do many major cities. It's not a unique case study in bad city-hood or something, so don't take this as some dark hint about what may happen in Detroit.
I'm reporting this here because it suggests a potentially high-exposure group I hadn't considered, and I heard the stats from Detroit because it's nearby (source: Michigan Radio, a network of public radio stations that does some excellent reporting in the state).8 -
I've been following this thread since the beginning and what I notice tonight is more of us are becoming frightened and worried. Between the virus and people we care about being sick, the loss of jobs, the basic shutdown of cities and states around our world, our nerves are frayed.
I can't find it again but I watched a video from a man in Italy who had the virus and survived the virus. He looked to be about 50ish. They couldn't find him a bed in a hospital so his doctor sent him home. The doctor told him to think positive thoughts, to visualize himself coming out on the other side of this healthy again, to rest as much as possible so his body could fight, and he survived.
I think we all need to try being positive even in the face of more dire news. We're all in this together and it's time we lifted ourselves up and told the virus....................go to hell!
I have a daughter at risk and being tested a 2nd time, a business faltering, other children hunkered down and one of them doesn't know if he'll have a job on Monday. But honestly, the most important thing is to try to take care of ourselves and weather the storm! Don't lose hope!26 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Safari_Gal_ wrote: »For weeks - I kept reading esp on MFP - it’s just like the flu and everyone is overreacting, just wash your hands. Except - many of our industries are closed, people are out of work, Many Americans homebound — would we suffer such an economic breakdown for a disease just like the flu? Or the people who say - don’t panic it’s just an elderly affliction or for people with underlying illnesses? But don’t we all have family members who are in these categories?
I’m wondering - when everyone thinks we will return to days when we don’t social distance and we can have family gatherings without fear of illness. I’m hoping it’s sooner than I think.
To be fair, using examples of over-reaction are not exactly a good argument if you are saying that people are not over-reacting.
@T1DCarnivoreRunner - over reaction and under reaction are pretty subjective no? And I wasn’t offering up any equations about people being reactionary. I said my experience from March 1 to March 20 has been very different and shared my experience from March 1 when everyone thought it would pass to March 20 to being in a world where all of my family are either in Rome or NYC- are severely affected.
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New Zealand now possibly has its first (known) cases of community transmission, and we now also have alert levels (so there is surety around what will happen/be expected of people if and when things escalate). We are now on Level Two. Some of the requirements of that were already in place (border controls, rules around large gatherings), but people over 70 and others at high risk are now advised to stay at home.
https://covid19.govt.nz/assets/COVID_Alert-levels.pdf7
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