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I don't think it meant all "necessary" services, grocery, medical, law enforcement, etc. But we still have a lot of people not heeding the message to social distance and stay home as very much as possible. I am willing to change some of my habits because I am 70 but not ready to leave this world.7
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Emergency services would be open. Grocery online only maybe curb side still of course workers keep working inside. Shipping companies open. Everything else closed by what I understand.2
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Unfortunately, the economic and psychological consequences of such a complete shut down would likely cause more deaths than the virus.8
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »Unfortunately, the economic and psychological consequences of such a complete shut down would likely cause more deaths than the virus.
You're correct. I saw via a YouTube video of Reddit, that there're laid off employees calling into the suicide prevention hotlines.2 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »We have very limited medical facilities. They're telling everyone that unnecessary elective surgeries will be put on hold. Older folkaronies are pulling their dirt bikes out of their barns, getting back upon horses and doing things they haven't done in years. Falling off and breaking bones. Ayup.We must all use our heads besides something to part our ears with. I saw a senior whizzing by on his dirt bike last night. I covered my eyes and held my breath.
Fear, stress and anxiety makes people do some reckless things. They're not thinking straight. Snowmobiles, horses, moto-bikes and bicycles. We all need to think these things through so we don't put more stress on our medical systems. That is all.
It’s a good one, isn’t it? I like it too😀
My dear old dad used to say, “use your head for something besides a hat rack”.7 -
A coworker in her late 60s asked me a question that I honestly don't know the answer to. "Since I'm in a high risk group, am I just supposed to stay quarantined for a year? Until they find a consistently effective treatment or a vaccine? Not hug my grandkids? Not celebrate holidays with family? Not go anywhere there might be a crowd?"
All I could think to tell her is to do it for the time being to allow the pros to learn more about the virus, and that every day she can maintain it increases what they know, but I could tell it sounded as empty to her as it did to me.
This is what they're telling us, so see if it sounds good to you as a response. Right now isolation will slow down the rate of infection. If a senior goes to the hospital when the doctors are exhausted and the hospital is overcrowded--your chances of recovery are less. If they can slow things down and eventually you get it, you'll be treated with everything they've got. We just had a 95 year old woman that recovered and they were interviewing her. So, it's not a death sentence, by any means. We just want to give people like her a fighting chance. If we all do this and give the scientists a breathing space, we'll come out of it. But the population has to be really behind this.16 -
rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
I don't know about Lowes but in my neighborhood Facebook group people were disgusted at how many people were buying plants at one of the local stores. I've been starting a ton of old seeds and need more potting soil, I'm so tempted to go buy some to plant more seeds but between herbs, heirloom tomatoes, and cucumbers I really don't have the room and will already be giving away a lot. I'm higher risk too because of health problems so I should keep my rear at home anyhow, the grocery store was more than enough.
Speaking of the grocery stores my stores were out of the expected, what surprised me was the $5 plastic bins of spring greens/spinach were gone and packaged salad mixes were gone. One store didn't have any yogurt under $10 and the other had a little and the only white meat was chicken legs which I don't eat. I think the neighborhood wild turkeys may be looked at in a new way!4 -
I wish that people that thinks that the present health situation is not a big deal or that they are immune because they are young and healthy, read this posting.
Emma, a 12-year-old girl, is "fighting for her life" in an Atlanta hospital after testing positive for the coronavirus, according to her cousin.
Justin Anthony told CNN that Emma was diagnosed with pneumonia on March 15 and tested positive for coronavirus on Friday night. As of Saturday, she was on a ventilator and is currently in stable condition, Anthony said.
Emma had no pre-existing conditions. She has not traveled recently and it's unknown how she contracted the virus, according to Anthony.
Children's Healthcare of Atlanta-Scottish Rite Hospital confirmed that a current patient tested positive for Covid-19, though it declined to go into details."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/22/us/georgia-coronavirus-girl-hospitalized/index.html2 -
If you're having trouble finding chicken and/or bread, how about going to a source instead of a supplier?! I was unable to get my Pepperidge Farm rye bread via Walmart Grocery because they supply it but I was able to get Walmart's french bread because they bake it within the store {which means that, they've some available everyday instead of waiting days, for a shipment}. Unable to find Perdue chicken at Walmart, for your casserole? Get some chicken at Kentucky Fried Chicken, to cut & mix into it instead.8
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snowflake954 wrote: »A coworker in her late 60s asked me a question that I honestly don't know the answer to. "Since I'm in a high risk group, am I just supposed to stay quarantined for a year? Until they find a consistently effective treatment or a vaccine? Not hug my grandkids? Not celebrate holidays with family? Not go anywhere there might be a crowd?"
All I could think to tell her is to do it for the time being to allow the pros to learn more about the virus, and that every day she can maintain it increases what they know, but I could tell it sounded as empty to her as it did to me.
This is what they're telling us, so see if it sounds good to you as a response. Right now isolation will slow down the rate of infection. If a senior goes to the hospital when the doctors are exhausted and the hospital is overcrowded--your chances of recovery are less. If they can slow things down and eventually you get it, you'll be treated with everything they've got. We just had a 95 year old woman that recovered and they were interviewing her. So, it's not a death sentence, by any means. We just want to give people like her a fighting chance. If we all do this and give the scientists a breathing space, we'll come out of it. But the population has to be really behind this.
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@snowflake954 thank you2
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RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I was just reading that we as a nation, need to stop the virus (not just flatten the curve) by totally shutting everything down.
And exactly what would 'shutting everything down' look like? Do you close the pharmacies and supermarkets, cutting people off from food and medicine? Do you close up police, fire, and emt services? Do you shoot people on sight if they are out of their house?
This is how it's being handled here:
Everything is shut down to people, but they do deliveries (including pharmacies). The military, police, and emergency services are the ones handling everything. If you have an emergency you call, and it will be handled, including transporting people to the hospital. Essential services like water, energy, food, certain factories of essential goods, and a few other things are given special permits so they're allowed to be open and some of them is allowed to be outside and drive between areas. They have also been given strict rules and dress code. Those who leave their house and are caught are automatically put in quarantine. Students are studying online and there is a special phone hotline for mental health help. Those who can't afford basic needs are being provided for by the government.
They were planning to have a partial curfew where things would be open during certain hours for certain people, but the people themselves are starting hashtags on social media not to lift the mandatory home quarantine, even partially. Me, personally, I feel safe and I'm not worried about my family (some of whom are at a greater risk due to age or chronic illnesses). It has been surprisingly easy to cope and my mental health is better than it would have been if someone I love gets very sick.11 -
This looks to be a reasonably well-researched article about food safety (with reference to recent coronavirus research, handling takeout for consumers and providers, groceries, etc. ). Caveat: I'm not an authority, so I'm not even remotely in a position to critique his thinking, but feel like there are reasonable signs he's done his homework.
https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html6 -
This looks to be a reasonably well-researched article about food safety (with reference to recent coronavirus research, handling takeout for consumers and providers, groceries, etc. ). Caveat: I'm not an authority, so I'm not even remotely in a position to critique his thinking, but feel like there are reasonable signs he's done his homework.
https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html
Agreed that it seems like a good piece, and I think he's a responsible writer in general from past experience with him.
One benefit of the stay at home thing here is that there's really no reason for many people to be out in their cars, and so I could easily run in the streets around my neighborhood should there be more people on the sidewalks than I've noticed, and we can all easily avoid each other.
The ghost town feel continues to be really weird, though. Although my neighborhood streets are pretty quiet in general, the one I'm on is ordinarily used as a feeder to some other streets, so usually has some amount of car traffic, and has almost none at all today. More striking, I'm quiet close to a busy north/south street (it's between me and an area I like to run in) that currently seems to have almost nothing other than its bus route (public transit is continuing for those reliant on it).
WF/amazon prime delivery did seem to be up and running here today.4 -
This looks to be a reasonably well-researched article about food safety (with reference to recent coronavirus research, handling takeout for consumers and providers, groceries, etc. ). Caveat: I'm not an authority, so I'm not even remotely in a position to critique his thinking, but feel like there are reasonable signs he's done his homework.
https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html
Agreed! This is very much in line with what I've heard from doctors and public health officials, and is a really good summary I think1 -
This looks to be a reasonably well-researched article about food safety (with reference to recent coronavirus research, handling takeout for consumers and providers, groceries, etc. ). Caveat: I'm not an authority, so I'm not even remotely in a position to critique his thinking, but feel like there are reasonable signs he's done his homework.
https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html
Thanks for the great link. After a church and a local hospital let in people spreading the corona virus this last week people are starting to wake up more. TN where our source came from started to shutting down the state this morning (22 March 2020) finally but Nashville is already in run away mode spread wise. TN was the corona virus source in a local church (150 people there last Sunday) and the local hospital last week.
People do not seem to understand we can not stop the corona virus for reaching everyone but we can show it down so the medical communities can get some what ready to care for those of us that will need hospital care. Hopefully more of the shut down industries will refocus on caring for the sick.
https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/21/elon-musk-should-have-1000-ventilators-next-week-250k-n95-masks-for-hospitals-tomorrow-cleantechnica-exclusive/?fbclid=IwAR0Sqp9xKV0mmDGJGcNiOR4_e_chWSV_biZXvRXxJc5zni_VrRbnACI30K85 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
Landscape and pool care?
I don't know about pool care issues, but unmown lots can become havens for rodents. Also, these are outdoor jobs with plenty of room for social distancing, and generally easily done without any contact with the residents.
I have a pool. If they aren't kept up or if equipment goes down, they can quickly become cesspools. Other than opening and closing and equipment repair (unless pretty minor), I clean and do all of the chem work on my pool, but a lot of people do hire that out.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »My sister had worked at Lowe's for over 5 years until she got fired this past summer. She took a job with Krogers, which now may be seen as a blessing in disguise - Krogers is considered essential, so her job should be safe. Lowe's, on the other hand, would likely have laid her off.
Does Lowes not count as essential? What happens if there’s a wiring issue or the water heater breaks or the door falls off the hinges? I can think of about fifteen things that would make it impossible to keep sheltering in place that could go wrong with no hardware store.
From HuffPost: While the list may vary according to local concerns and the nature of a given event, disaster or pandemic, here is a general idea of what’s considered “essential” in emergencies, according to various governments, including San Francisco, Miami, New York state and Miami-Dade County:
• Gas stations, auto supply stores, auto repair shops and related facilities
• Pharmacies
• Grocery stores, farmers markets, food banks and convenience stores
• Liquor stores
• Restaurants (only for delivery, takeout and drive-thru)
• Hardware stores and plumbers
• Contractors and other tradesmen, appliance repair personnel
• Exterminators and other service providers
• Landscape and pool care businesses, including residential landscape and pool care
• Construction sites and engineering and architecture firms
• Banks and related financial institutions including insurance and accounting services
• Phone and computer sellers
• Community benefit organizations on a case-by-case basis
• Laundromats, dry cleaners and laundry service providers
• Healthcare providers, hospitals, clinics and healthcare operations including research and laboratory services, medical wholesale and distribution, and dentists
• Businesses that provide shelter and/or social services
• Newspapers, television, radio and other media outlets
• Businesses offering mailing and shipping services, including post office boxes
• Airlines, taxis and other private transportation providers
• Home-based care for seniors, adults or children
• Assisted living facilities, nursing homes, adult day care centers and senior facilities
• Pet supply stores
• Veterinary offices
• Police stations
• Fire stations
• Building code enforcement
• Jails
• Courts
• Garbage/sanitation and recycling services
• Public transportation (Muni, BART, subways)
• Utilities (water, power and gas, telecommunications)
• Certain city, county, state and federal offices
• Funeral homes, crematoriums and cemeteries
• Maintenance staff, cleaners, janitors and doormen
• Manufacturing including food processing, chemical, pharmaceutical, agricultural, paper products, safety and sanitary products
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/what-are-essential-services-jobs-185047320.html
Landscape and pool care?
I don't know about pool care issues, but unmown lots can become havens for rodents. Also, these are outdoor jobs with plenty of room for social distancing, and generally easily done without any contact with the residents.
I have a pool. If they aren't kept up or if equipment goes down, they can quickly become cesspools. Other than opening and closing and equipment repair (unless pretty minor), I clean and do all of the chem work on my pool, but a lot of people do hire that out.
Thankfully it's filled in now.6 -
RetiredAndLovingIt wrote: »I don't think it meant all "necessary" services, grocery, medical, law enforcement, etc. But we still have a lot of people not heeding the message to social distance and stay home as very much as possible. I am willing to change some of my habits because I am 70 but not ready to leave this world.
But as long as necessary services are ongoing, there is still human contact and a path for the virus to survive so it probably won't completely eliminate it.
I totally agree with you on social distancing! In fact, I think it's quite possible that if everyone would comply with distancing guidelines we could do a really good job of limiting the spread to a manageable rate until we know how to treat it and inoculate against it. I just think the type of quarantine necessary to completely stop the virus is impossible.7 -
This looks to be a reasonably well-researched article about food safety (with reference to recent coronavirus research, handling takeout for consumers and providers, groceries, etc. ). Caveat: I'm not an authority, so I'm not even remotely in a position to critique his thinking, but feel like there are reasonable signs he's done his homework.
https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavirus-a-comprehensive-guide.html
Agreed that it seems like a good piece, and I think he's a responsible writer in general from past experience with him.
One benefit of the stay at home thing here is that there's really no reason for many people to be out in their cars, and so I could easily run in the streets around my neighborhood should there be more people on the sidewalks than I've noticed, and we can all easily avoid each other.
The ghost town feel continues to be really weird, though. Although my neighborhood streets are pretty quiet in general, the one I'm on is ordinarily used as a feeder to some other streets, so usually has some amount of car traffic, and has almost none at all today. More striking, I'm quiet close to a busy north/south street (it's between me and an area I like to run in) that currently seems to have almost nothing other than its bus route (public transit is continuing for those reliant on it).
WF/amazon prime delivery did seem to be up and running here today.
As to cars, I believe it is bad for my hybrid battery to sit too long. I should take it out for a drive at least every 2 weeks, maybe every week.3
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