Coronavirus prep
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »One thing I've got a question on: how effective really are these temperature checks? I had to go in to get lab bloodwork done today; if it wasn't for the fact that the bloodwork was needed because we're trying to get my thyroid meds straightened out, I would have delayed it. Before I could enter the clinic, a nurse had to check my temperature. My employer also is insisting that if we must go onto company premises, we must do a temperature check first.
But I thought that you could be contagious for a while before symptoms started to occur, so how does this really effectively slow down the spread?
Yeah...my daughter went to her orthodontist appt today (I was surprised they still wanted her to come in--I watched like a hawk to be sure gloved hands going into her mouth hadn't touched anything else first). They checked her temp before we went in, and it was 96.5 F. The lady behind the counter asked me if that was a normal temperature for my daughter. In my head, I was like, "No, isn't that just about dead??"
Mine is normally around that 96-ish range, but sometimes drops into 95's. I think it is because of my thyroid condition, but it doesn't bother me. It isn't like I'm shivering all the time. I am a bit nervous about having to explain when I go back to working on site as they said they plan to screen everyone going in.
Same with mine and has been that way since I was a kid. It was bad enough my doctor had to send a note to school to tell them that if I was running even a 99 degree temp that they needed to call my mom. The school didn't want to believe my mom and had a rule that it was 100 before they called. I have been watching my temp the last few days since I have not been feeling well. They have been 97, 96.8, and 95.7.
There have been some new studies that call the new "normal" body temp between 95-97 degrees.5 -
my best friend's is also somewhere between 96 & 97 degrees F. She would always have a time convincing staff at clinics that 98.6 degrees was a fever for her.1
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I'm another who's normal temp is lower than the average - 97.5 usually. I'm definitely running a fever if I hit 99+. I felt like death when I hit 103 when I had a kidney infection a couple years ago.
My grandmother reached out about needing flour and eggs by the end of the week. I'm so glad she's taking this seriously and staying home and reaching out to family for help.
Meanwhile my state's dear lieutenant gov. has been spouting nonsense about getting back to normal and trying to speak for all seniors about how they're willing to place themselves at risk for the economy.
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janejellyroll wrote: »Because nothing is more reassuring to your constituents than the idea that they brought this pandemic on themselves 🙄
State Rep proposes controversial 'Day of Humiliation' in PA amid coronavirus pandemic.
The resolution has sparked reactions from other state lawmakers such as Rep. Kevin Boyle, who took to Twitter saying, "I do believe this is the stupidest resolution I've ever seen a politician introduce."
https://local21news.com/news/local/state-rep-proposes-controversial-day-of-humiliation-in-pa-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Y I K E S
As a Pennsylvanian, I can only say that folks tend to think a bit differently north and west of Harrisburg and is not representative of all of us.
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I'm another who's normal temp is lower than the average - 97.5 usually. I'm definitely running a fever if I hit 99+. I felt like death when I hit 103 when I had a kidney infection a couple years ago.
My grandmother reached out about needing flour and eggs by the end of the week. I'm so glad she's taking this seriously and staying home and reaching out to family for help.
Meanwhile my state's dear lieutenant gov. has been spouting nonsense about getting back to normal and trying to speak for all seniors about how they're willing to place themselves at risk for the economy.
Haha, I know what state you're in.
(It's not really funny, but some things are so off-the-wall wrong that laughter is an automatic response).10 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Because nothing is more reassuring to your constituents than the idea that they brought this pandemic on themselves 🙄
State Rep proposes controversial 'Day of Humiliation' in PA amid coronavirus pandemic.
The resolution has sparked reactions from other state lawmakers such as Rep. Kevin Boyle, who took to Twitter saying, "I do believe this is the stupidest resolution I've ever seen a politician introduce."
https://local21news.com/news/local/state-rep-proposes-controversial-day-of-humiliation-in-pa-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Y I K E S
As a Pennsylvanian, I can only say that folks tend to think a bit differently north and west of Harrisburg and is not representative of all of us.
I'm originally from Arkansas, so I'm very familiar with the "Please know that s/he doesn't represent all of us" conversation.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Because nothing is more reassuring to your constituents than the idea that they brought this pandemic on themselves 🙄
State Rep proposes controversial 'Day of Humiliation' in PA amid coronavirus pandemic.
The resolution has sparked reactions from other state lawmakers such as Rep. Kevin Boyle, who took to Twitter saying, "I do believe this is the stupidest resolution I've ever seen a politician introduce."
https://local21news.com/news/local/state-rep-proposes-controversial-day-of-humiliation-in-pa-amid-coronavirus-pandemic
Y I K E S
As a Pennsylvanian, I can only say that folks tend to think a bit differently north and west of Harrisburg and is not representative of all of us.
I'm originally from Arkansas, so I'm very familiar with the "Please know that s/he doesn't represent all of us" conversation.
Lets just say I didn't vote for the guy who was tweeting pictures from a crowded restaurant last week
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janejellyroll wrote: »I'm another who's normal temp is lower than the average - 97.5 usually. I'm definitely running a fever if I hit 99+. I felt like death when I hit 103 when I had a kidney infection a couple years ago.
My grandmother reached out about needing flour and eggs by the end of the week. I'm so glad she's taking this seriously and staying home and reaching out to family for help.
Meanwhile my state's dear lieutenant gov. has been spouting nonsense about getting back to normal and trying to speak for all seniors about how they're willing to place themselves at risk for the economy.
Haha, I know what state you're in.
(It's not really funny, but some things are so off-the-wall wrong that laughter is an automatic response).
In that boat with you guys and SMDH3 -
Meanwhile my husband saw this video from a Canadian hospital administrator whose wife is an ICU nurse. My husband doesn't even want to step outside because he thinks we may run into someone else in the condo complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-JCIUHbLyE and doesn't want to take chances breathing someone else's air. Somewhere in the middle of the video, the speaker states that it's better to stay 4-6 METRES away from others.
I think I'm going to go nuts.7 -
That "secret and destructive war..." has nothing to do with the video, I have NO idea what that's for.0
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I received my first instacart order yesterday. I scheduled delivery for a day I could get the first delivery window. It was delayed twice in the morning, and my shopper was unable to fulfill: chicken, eggs, yogurt and flour. We have plenty of food (fresh produce & dried goods), but it would be nice to replenish animal protein eventually. That was Aldi, and I have a delivery scheduled from Tom Thumb this weekend so I'll take another swing at those items.
For regular instacart users, how often are items on your order not fulfilled? Do you notice different patterns for different stores?5 -
If you suspect you might struggle to get animal protein, have a tin or two of seitan on hand. In the asian supermarket these are known as buddhist mock meat. You can use these like meat in any stir fry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_duck
Here is a sample recipe (I reduce the sugar)
https://www.connoisseurusveg.com/vegan-mongolian-beef/
In my bit of East London, I am finding the asian supermarkets still well stocked, though some are moving to online orders for delivery only.5 -
I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.13
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I received my first instacart order yesterday. I scheduled delivery for a day I could get the first delivery window. It was delayed twice in the morning, and my shopper was unable to fulfill: chicken, eggs, yogurt and flour. We have plenty of food (fresh produce & dried goods), but it would be nice to replenish animal protein eventually. That was Aldi, and I have a delivery scheduled from Tom Thumb this weekend so I'll take another swing at those items.
For regular instacart users, how often are items on your order not fulfilled? Do you notice different patterns for different stores?
I haven't tried instacart during the current madness, but in the past there would maybe be one or two items that were either switched out (Oscar Meyer bacon instead of Hormel, for example) or not fulfilled. About the same as if I went to the store myself. These days, I'd say they can't bring you what isn't on the shelves. I was at Safeway mid-afternoon yesterday and none of the items you mentioned were anywhere to be found in my store. And I beat the big rush that came when the mayor announced a stay-at-home order!2 -
Italy had another spike today in reported deaths. It should be a lesson to all of us. What I have heard happen is that when Milan was getting ready to lock down, many of their young got on trains and fled the area, concerned to be restricted. This, I believe, is the second "wave" from that. I had hoped their numbers would continue to go down.
I'm afraid we're about to see numbers of 500, then 1000 dying a day (or more) by next week. We can't go back to "business as usual" until all the doctors and nurses have adequate protection, ventilators, supplies and aren't putting their lives in danger. Perhaps when they are taken care of first (and those at risk with masks and gloves), then we can work on getting masks and gloves for the general public. At the rate our government is getting things done, that would be like end of Summer. I can also see a mass produced stop gap vaccine using antibodies of those that have recovered by then. Give it to those in greatest risk first (the medical providers and elderly and those with preexisting conditions) and then the rest of us. Then, we can all get back to work. But that's four months from now minimum and would require a government to govern.
At this stage, I have way more faith in the private sector than I do the public sector.9 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
The Worldometer site gives the number of 'serious/acute' cases for each country. Worldwide it's only about 4% are acute. Today in the US it's 1,175 out of 51,928 total active cases. I thought it was interesting that Germany has so few serious cases, as a percentage of total active cases. I assume it's because they are testing more so catching people before the virus gets serious. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/3 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
The Worldometer site gives the number of 'serious/acute' cases for each country. Worldwide it's only about 4% are acute. Today in the US it's 1,175 out of 51,928 total active cases. I thought it was interesting that Germany has so few serious cases, as a percentage of total active cases. I assume it's because they are testing more so catching people before the virus gets serious. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
That's exactly what they're doing. They're basically testing everyone proactively...that's what South Korea did as well to catch as many as possible and quarantine.4 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
However what you're proposing doesn't include those, whom haven't sought medical attention yet because of being told to stay home since they'd be sent home anyway.3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Italy had another spike today in reported deaths. It should be a lesson to all of us. What I have heard happen is that when Milan was getting ready to lock down, many of their young got on trains and fled the area, concerned to be restricted. This, I believe, is the second "wave" from that. I had hoped their numbers would continue to go down.
I'm afraid we're about to see numbers of 500, then 1000 dying a day (or more) by next week. We can't go back to "business as usual" until all the doctors and nurses have adequate protection, ventilators, supplies and aren't putting their lives in danger. Perhaps when they are taken care of first (and those at risk with masks and gloves), then we can work on getting masks and gloves for the general public. At the rate our government is getting things done, that would be like end of Summer. I can also see a mass produced stop gap vaccine using antibodies of those that have recovered by then. Give it to those in greatest risk first (the medical providers and elderly and those with preexisting conditions) and then the rest of us. Then, we can all get back to work. But that's four months from now minimum and would require a government to govern.
At this stage, I have way more faith in the private sector than I do the public sector.
It's going to be interesting in the US because there has been little to no organized national response really. State governors and local officials are all doing their own thing. I'm pretty pleased with New Mexico's response so far. Our governor acted pretty quickly...we had our first 3 presumptive positives on Wednesday March 11.
Schools were closed by Thursday afternoon across the state and people were told to socially distance and work from home when and where possible and gatherings of more than 25 people were banned. By the following week gatherings were further reduced and restaurants and whatnot were told they could only provide take out and delivery services and urged all non essential business to shut down. Gyms and other recreational facilities were ordered to close.
The only issue I've had so far is that urging for non essential business to close didn't really do much, so an enforceable order was given yesterday afternoon and gatherings are now limited to 5 or less. I think that enforceable order should have came last week, but a lot of people were thinking things were going too far as we had less than 30 cases at that time. It's probably changed today....haven't checked, but as of yesterday we were still under 100 and what she's done so far has seemed to be relatively proactive.
I am also hopeful that my state will also be able to get back to business sooner rather than later...we are a very rural state with a population of only about 2 million...there is a lot of social distancing baked into the cake here. Albuquerque is currently and will most likely remain the hardest hit as the population epicenter of the state. I reside in a quite, rural village outside of the city, but unfortunately we do have to go into the greater metro area to grocery shop and whatnot...but we are seriously considering using grocery delivery services at this point.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Italy had another spike today in reported deaths. It should be a lesson to all of us. What I have heard happen is that when Milan was getting ready to lock down, many of their young got on trains and fled the area, concerned to be restricted. This, I believe, is the second "wave" from that. I had hoped their numbers would continue to go down.
I'm afraid we're about to see numbers of 500, then 1000 dying a day (or more) by next week. We can't go back to "business as usual" until all the doctors and nurses have adequate protection, ventilators, supplies and aren't putting their lives in danger. Perhaps when they are taken care of first (and those at risk with masks and gloves), then we can work on getting masks and gloves for the general public. At the rate our government is getting things done, that would be like end of Summer. I can also see a mass produced stop gap vaccine using antibodies of those that have recovered by then. Give it to those in greatest risk first (the medical providers and elderly and those with preexisting conditions) and then the rest of us. Then, we can all get back to work. But that's four months from now minimum and would require a government to govern.
At this stage, I have way more faith in the private sector than I do the public sector.
It's going to be interesting in the US because there has been little to no organized national response really. State governors and local officials are all doing their own thing. I'm pretty pleased with New Mexico's response so far. Our governor acted pretty quickly...we had our first 3 presumptive positives on Wednesday March 11.
Schools were closed by Thursday afternoon across the state and people were told to socially distance and work from home when and where possible and gatherings of more than 25 people were banned. By the following week gatherings were further reduced and restaurants and whatnot were told they could only provide take out and delivery services and urged all non essential business to shut down. Gyms and other recreational facilities were ordered to close.
The only issue I've had so far is that urging for non essential business to close didn't really do much, so an enforceable order was given yesterday afternoon and gatherings are now limited to 5 or less. I think that enforceable order should have came last week, but a lot of people were thinking things were going too far as we had less than 30 cases at that time. It's probably changed today....haven't checked, but as of yesterday we were still under 100 and what she's done so far has seemed to be relatively proactive.
I am also hopeful that my state will also be able to get back to business sooner rather than later...we are a very rural state with a population of only about 2 million...there is a lot of social distancing baked into the cake here. Albuquerque is currently and will most likely remain the hardest hit as the population epicenter of the state. I reside in a quite, rural village outside of the city, but unfortunately we do have to go into the greater metro area to grocery shop and whatnot...but we are seriously considering using grocery delivery services at this point.
Still under 100, but it's interesting that the majority are under 50 years old. Should be a lesson to people.1 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Italy had another spike today in reported deaths. It should be a lesson to all of us. What I have heard happen is that when Milan was getting ready to lock down, many of their young got on trains and fled the area, concerned to be restricted. This, I believe, is the second "wave" from that. I had hoped their numbers would continue to go down.
I'm afraid we're about to see numbers of 500, then 1000 dying a day (or more) by next week. We can't go back to "business as usual" until all the doctors and nurses have adequate protection, ventilators, supplies and aren't putting their lives in danger. Perhaps when they are taken care of first (and those at risk with masks and gloves), then we can work on getting masks and gloves for the general public. At the rate our government is getting things done, that would be like end of Summer. I can also see a mass produced stop gap vaccine using antibodies of those that have recovered by then. Give it to those in greatest risk first (the medical providers and elderly and those with preexisting conditions) and then the rest of us. Then, we can all get back to work. But that's four months from now minimum and would require a government to govern.
At this stage, I have way more faith in the private sector than I do the public sector.
It's going to be interesting in the US because there has been little to no organized national response really. State governors and local officials are all doing their own thing. I'm pretty pleased with New Mexico's response so far. Our governor acted pretty quickly...we had our first 3 presumptive positives on Wednesday March 11.
Schools were closed by Thursday afternoon across the state and people were told to socially distance and work from home when and where possible and gatherings of more than 25 people were banned. By the following week gatherings were further reduced and restaurants and whatnot were told they could only provide take out and delivery services and urged all non essential business to shut down. Gyms and other recreational facilities were ordered to close.
The only issue I've had so far is that urging for non essential business to close didn't really do much, so an enforceable order was given yesterday afternoon and gatherings are now limited to 5 or less. I think that enforceable order should have came last week, but a lot of people were thinking things were going too far as we had less than 30 cases at that time. It's probably changed today....haven't checked, but as of yesterday we were still under 100 and what she's done so far has seemed to be relatively proactive.
I am also hopeful that my state will also be able to get back to business sooner rather than later...we are a very rural state with a population of only about 2 million...there is a lot of social distancing baked into the cake here. Albuquerque is currently and will most likely remain the hardest hit as the population epicenter of the state. I reside in a quite, rural village outside of the city, but unfortunately we do have to go into the greater metro area to grocery shop and whatnot...but we are seriously considering using grocery delivery services at this point.
Still under 100, but it's interesting that the majority are under 50 years old. Should be a lesson to people.
We have 87 deaths here in Washington State. Half of those are from one hospice/nursing home. Many of their workers also were infected, not sure how many have died of the workers, if any. That skews the age/death ratios when 37 deaths are from a hospice/nursing home and that means they were already really sick. One young doctor has died from the hospital where they all were sent.
The state count of cases yesterday was 1170 ...they've probably tested 25,000.
They are now doing random samples of the entire population, not just sick people. It's being done by the Seattle Flu Study people in conjunction with King County (the most populous county, where Seattle is.)
It's a home test/mail in.
https://publichealthinsider.com/2020/03/23/introducing-scan-the-greater-seattle-coronavirus-assessment-network/6 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
Agreed. This is the best I've found, but not all states have the hospitalized number, so it's not reliable. It's a good overall source anyway: https://covidtracking.com/data/
Nate Silver has pointed out that due to the backlog in testing the positive numbers changing right now is not super informative about how fast it's actually spreading, but the hospitalization numbers likely reflect how much it was spreading as of 7-10 days ago. How fast they are increasing is really important.2 -
I'm feeling super low today. It feels like this nightmare will never end. My husband said 19 workers called out last night, another 5 went home and 2 people on his shift were sent home at lunch. Our foolish governor refuses to shut down the state, despite the fact that 6 additional deaths were reported today between noon and 7pm. Despite the fact that 8 deaths occurred in people with no known underlying health problems. A previously healthy, vibrant 12 year-old child is fighting for her life at Children's Healthcare of Atlanta tonight. I'm just so tired of living under the cloud of constant fear. Wondering if one of my loved ones will be a casualty.32
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lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
Agreed. This is the best I've found, but not all states have the hospitalized number, so it's not reliable. It's a good overall source anyway: https://covidtracking.com/data/
Nate Silver has pointed out that due to the backlog in testing the testing numbers changing is not super helpful, but the hospitalization numbers likely reflect how much it was spreading as of 7-10 days ago. How fast they are increasing is really important.
Thanks for that link. It's interesting to me that my state of NC has about 470 reported cases (as of today), but no deaths reported. Most other states with that many reported cases have at least 1, but in most cases, more than 1 death reported. I mean I'm thankful there aren't any, but just wondering why the difference.
Of course NC is not reporting hospitalizations. I thought I saw it buried somewhere that it was around 30 as of today.1 -
Wisconsin is just shy of 500 cases but holding steady with only 5 deaths.0
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We've got over 1500 cases now, and 16 deaths. Only one of the deaths is outside Chicago metro, and DuPage (which has a nursing home outbreak) has only 1 so far. Our first death was reported a week ago.0
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DecadeDuchess wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
However what you're proposing doesn't include those, whom haven't sought medical attention yet because of being told to stay home since they'd be sent home anyway.
I'm just saying that if people see how many of the sick wind up in the hospital, it might make it more clear the seriousness of the situation. If they see a large number of cases but "only" a small number of deaths, it might not look as dire. It's the overload of the hospitals with the thousands of patients, many in ICU, that take the toll on the medical workers.
I read that in Italy, because of the nature of the illness and the fact that serious cases can wind up in the hospital for 2-3 weeks, that most of those who have left the hospital so far, are those who have died.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-hospitals.html
Some quotes from that article that emphasize the seriousness of this:
"The near collapse of many of the region’s hospitals, and the dearth of mechanical ventilators, oxygen and personal protective equipment, has led many doctors to urge patients to stay away. They argue that overloaded hospitals increasingly seem to be sources of contagion, and that infected but asymptomatic ambulance workers sent to retrieve patients in their homes are actually spreading the virus."
“If a patient has a low likelihood to benefit from the hospital, we have to not accept them. You send them home.” He added, “This is also what I am seeing every day.” [referring to older, very sick patients that are getting turned away, and go home to die]
"And since the most serious virus patients require at least two weeks of hospitalization, practically the only patients who have left the hospital are those who have died."3 -
A grocery store clerk in a store near us has been diagnosed with covid-19. There are a few stores that deliver, but some of their websites are asking that we don't overwhelm them, that the service should be primarily for vulnerable or quarantined people (which is valid).3
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I'm in shock at the number of reported cases in New York (over 29,000), and I believe the number of new cases is doubling every three days. The state with the next highest numbers (NJ) has less than 2900. I don't know if NY is a special case or if we'll see this happening in other densely populated areas. Are they doing more testing than everyone else?3
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lightenup2016 wrote: »DecadeDuchess wrote: »lightenup2016 wrote: »I wish the US media would report the number of people hospitalized, not just cases and deaths. The number of cases depends heavily on testing (which the CDC is no longer recommending except for the high-risk and/or seriously ill), and the death toll in the US probably sounds "low" to many here who insist this is so much better than the flu. If they included the number hospitalized, they might be able to better see how NYC hospitals will soon be overloaded.
However what you're proposing doesn't include those, whom haven't sought medical attention yet because of being told to stay home since they'd be sent home anyway.
I'm just saying that if people see how many of the sick wind up in the hospital, it might make it more clear the seriousness of the situation. If they see a large number of cases but "only" a small number of deaths, it might not look as dire. It's the overload of the hospitals with the thousands of patients, many in ICU, that take the toll on the medical workers.
I read that in Italy, because of the nature of the illness and the fact that serious cases can wind up in the hospital for 2-3 weeks, that most of those who have left the hospital so far, are those who have died.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-hospitals.html
Some quotes from that article that emphasize the seriousness of this:
"The near collapse of many of the region’s hospitals, and the dearth of mechanical ventilators, oxygen and personal protective equipment, has led many doctors to urge patients to stay away. They argue that overloaded hospitals increasingly seem to be sources of contagion, and that infected but asymptomatic ambulance workers sent to retrieve patients in their homes are actually spreading the virus."
“If a patient has a low likelihood to benefit from the hospital, we have to not accept them. You send them home.” He added, “This is also what I am seeing every day.”
"And since the most serious virus patients require at least two weeks of hospitalization, practically the only patients who have left the hospital are those who have died."
I don't disagree with you, I was explaining that it isn't comprehensive.1
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