Coronavirus prep
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amusedmonkey wrote: »After a few days of no community transmitted cases (all cases are either already quarantined or of known trackable origins), the curfew has been scaled back. Corner stores are now open, and we are allowed to be outside before 6 pm. I expected total chaos now that people are free to go out, but it appears a full curfew has changed how seriously they are taking this. They now stand in line and keep a proper distance between them all on their own. We have enough small stores everywhere, and larger stores are only open for delivery.
What country are you in again and when did you start taking measures to prevent community spread?0 -
I needed this today. Possibly someone else here can benefit from reading it, too.
https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief
I did, thank you. I've been in "anticipatory grief" for weeks now.
https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief
...Let’s go back to anticipatory grief. Unhealthy anticipatory grief is really anxiety, and that’s the feeling you’re talking about. Our mind begins to show us images. My parents getting sick. We see the worst scenarios. That’s our minds being protective. Our goal is not to ignore those images or to try to make them go away — your mind won’t let you do that and it can be painful to try and force it. The goal is to find balance in the things you’re thinking. If you feel the worst image taking shape, make yourself think of the best image. We all get a little sick and the world continues. Not everyone I love dies. Maybe no one does because we’re all taking the right steps. Neither scenario should be ignored but neither should dominate either.
Anticipatory grief is the mind going to the future and imagining the worst. To calm yourself, you want to come into the present. This will be familiar advice to anyone who has meditated or practiced mindfulness but people are always surprised at how prosaic this can be. You can name five things in the room. There’s a computer, a chair, a picture of the dog, an old rug, and a coffee mug. It’s that simple. Breathe. Realize that in the present moment, nothing you’ve anticipated has happened. In this moment, you’re okay. You have food. You are not sick. Use your senses and think about what they feel. The desk is hard. The blanket is soft. I can feel the breath coming into my nose. This really will work to dampen some of that pain.
You can also think about how to let go of what you can’t control. What your neighbor is doing is out of your control. What is in your control is staying six feet away from them and washing your hands. Focus on that.13 -
kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »After a few days of no community transmitted cases (all cases are either already quarantined or of known trackable origins), the curfew has been scaled back. Corner stores are now open, and we are allowed to be outside before 6 pm. I expected total chaos now that people are free to go out, but it appears a full curfew has changed how seriously they are taking this. They now stand in line and keep a proper distance between them all on their own. We have enough small stores everywhere, and larger stores are only open for delivery.
What country are you in again and when did you start taking measures to prevent community spread?
Jordan. They moved fast. Started measures when the first case was discovered. Closed land borders, then denied entry for non-citizens from high-risk countries, then stopped flights to and from high risk countries, then denied entry for non-citizens from all countries, then stopped all passenger flights. Returning citizens were transported to quarantine from the airport. When an earlier undiscovered case was present at a wedding which lead to a few more cases, they closed non-essencial businesses (lockdown) and closed all roads between provinces, and then when they discovered a case they couldn't track back to a source, they announced a full curfew, which now has been scaled back. The curfew only lasted 5 days to make sure no new cases of unknown origins were spreading. We were in lockdown for about a week before that. Everything happened fast.8 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »Question: Those asymptomatic people who test positive--do they develop symptoms eventually, or do some never become symptomatic? In the above example of CA testing temperatures, can they be sure all of the people with normal temps are Covid-19 negative?
My understanding is that not everyone develops symptoms, but of course we don't know much about it yet at all.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/23/have-i-already-had-covid19-coronavirus1 -
Indiana update
Tested: 2,931
Positive: 365
Deaths: 12
Marion and Hamilton counties (where I work and live) have both jumped up in cases at 161 and 25 respectively.
I am feeling better. My cough is a lot less frequent and still no fever. I am SO nauseated this morning though. No idea what is up. Hope it is not a stomach bug because I just don't know if I could deal with that right now. And since I am working and can't get to the store, I can't get some ginger ale. I asked my family if anyone was going out to look. If they can't I will reach out to a friend to see if she is willing. Hopefully someone can. I am struggling this morning.
Do you have some ginger in your spice cabinet? I've never really tried it myself, but you might be able to make some ginger tea if no one can find ginger ale for you.
Hope the nausea goes away for you! I hate feeling that way - I'm the sort of person who doesn't retch easily, so when I get nauseated, I am miserable for hours.3 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »Indiana update
Tested: 2,931
Positive: 365
Deaths: 12
Marion and Hamilton counties (where I work and live) have both jumped up in cases at 161 and 25 respectively.
I am feeling better. My cough is a lot less frequent and still no fever. I am SO nauseated this morning though. No idea what is up. Hope it is not a stomach bug because I just don't know if I could deal with that right now. And since I am working and can't get to the store, I can't get some ginger ale. I asked my family if anyone was going out to look. If they can't I will reach out to a friend to see if she is willing. Hopefully someone can. I am struggling this morning.
Do you have some ginger in your spice cabinet? I've never really tried it myself, but you might be able to make some ginger tea if no one can find ginger ale for you.
Hope the nausea goes away for you! I hate feeling that way - I'm the sort of person who doesn't retch easily, so when I get nauseated, I am miserable for hours.
I got ahold of one of my cousins that is going to swing by the store and then do a drop off. She was already going to be up this way so offered to help. I actually have fresh ginger in the freezer if I need it. May try some peppermint tea as well here in a bit.
Of course, after I wrote that, I read an article about how digestive issues and nausea may be early signs of Corona. I just have to laugh because if I don't then I will lose it.11 -
@Athijade Hang in there!
SA just had its second death - 40-year old woman. They haven't said if she had any preexisting conditions. As of last night we had 69 cases with 58% of those in people under the age of 50. We've tested just under 500 people so far. I'm hoping with the stay at home order now in place that we see the number slow down over the next week.
Part of our stay at home order closes non-essential businesses, which includes salons/barbers. I knew I should have gone for a haircut a week ago.... I ended up taking the scissors to my hair yesterday afternoon, and I asked my husband to use the clippers on the back of my neck to clean up my hairline. Not the best looking haircut I've ever had, but at least curly hair is forgiving in that respect.4 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Forgot to post this cool thing that people are doing in NZ for kids - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120513315/coronavirus-new-zealanders-start-teddy-bear-hunt-for-kids-during-covid19-lockdown
I love this! I'm not in New Zealand, but I stuck a couple in my window anyway.
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I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).7 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....0 -
my mom went yesterday morning and said the local grocery store was completely out of flour, toilet paper and paper towels, dry beans except for a few bags of kidney beans, and were getting very low on meat and bread-she had to buy expensive bread. The little Dollar General uptown was doing well on stock except for toilet paper and paper towels.
I'm eyeing my toilet paper roll stash doubtfully. What I have would usually last me well over a month in normal circumstances, but now that I'm home all day everyday.......6 -
Wow....lots of interesting posts here. I have not been able to keep up.
My son in NYC starting feeling symptoms Friday night. Very achy, bad headache, slight tickle in his chest, light cough, and feverish (but did not have a thermometer) He was the worst yesterday, so 4 days in. Today, he woke up feeling a bit better. Don't know if he officially has it but we have to assume since NYC is ground zero right now in the states. His breathing is fine. He is a nonsmoker ex-college athlete so we assume he will recover. But I wish he could be tested to 1. just know if he has it and 2. for statistical purposes and 3. if they find some use for immunity purposes for people who have had it that could help others somehow.
Hope everyone stays safe.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Forgot to post this cool thing that people are doing in NZ for kids - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120513315/coronavirus-new-zealanders-start-teddy-bear-hunt-for-kids-during-covid19-lockdown
I guess bear hunts are a thing here in the US as well. I heard about rainbow hunts last week and my neighbor's 10 year old drew me a rainbow that I've put in my window.
https://www.today.com/parents/entertaining-kids-rainbows-bear-hunts-amid-coronavirus-t1767265 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....
The problem with the stimulus package...for income levels, they are using your 2018 tax returns or 2019 if you have already filed. This doesn't take into account people who have lost their jobs due to this crisis. If, as an individual, you made $75,000 last year, but now are unemployed, you don't qualify. Plus, if you do qualify, a one-time payment of $1,200 doesn't cover one month's rent/mortgage for a lot of people.
It would make more sense, and do more good, to focus on expanding unemployment benefits and making it easier for people to sign up and receive these benefits. I think this is a part of the bill as well, but I think more could be done there. Then, you have unemployed people receiving regular benefits instead of a lump sum. But, it looks better politically to just send checks out to people.
I just worry about what ELSE in in the bill...and how much large corporations stand to take advantage, while small businesses and individuals are thrown a bone. I'll have to look into details, though, once they release them. I'm just always cynical in thinking that politicians are going to do what's best for them and their campaign donors.7 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....
The problem with the stimulus package...for income levels, they are using your 2018 tax returns or 2019 if you have already filed. This doesn't take into account people who have lost their jobs due to this crisis. If, as an individual, you made $75,000 last year, but now are unemployed, you don't qualify. Plus, if you do qualify, a one-time payment of $1,200 doesn't cover one month's rent/mortgage for a lot of people.
It would make more sense, and do more good, to focus on expanding unemployment benefits and making it easier for people to sign up and receive these benefits. I think this is a part of the bill as well, but I think more could be done there. Then, you have unemployed people receiving regular benefits instead of a lump sum. But, it looks better politically to just send checks out to people.
I just worry about what ELSE in in the bill...and how much large corporations stand to take advantage, while small businesses and individuals are thrown a bone. I'll have to look into details, though, once they release them. I'm just always cynical in thinking that politicians are going to do what's best for them and their campaign donors.
No reason for you not to be cynical. They justify your cynicism, over and over.
❤️from a fellow cynic.
The really sad thing is, how many legislators actually read the whole bill, and actually know everything that’s in the bill they voted for.
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I needed this today. Possibly someone else here can benefit from reading it, too.
https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief
That is a good article. I have always had a problem with what I call 'anticipatory depression', which is essentially the same thing. I think about the bad things that are going to happen (loss of family members, loss of financial stability) and spiral down into a deep depression. If I can remember that they haven't happened yet, and may not happen for a while, I can stop the spiral. Looking at the good things in my life right now: my husband, dog, plenty of food and a warm dry home, helps me to get back into the moment and remember to focus on the now, not the uncertain future.5 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »Forgot to post this cool thing that people are doing in NZ for kids - https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120513315/coronavirus-new-zealanders-start-teddy-bear-hunt-for-kids-during-covid19-lockdown
My neighborhood (perhaps it was more widespread, but we have a neighborhood association email list and FB page and that's where I heard about it) was doing that with shamrocks in the window the week of St Patrick's Day.2 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »I needed this today. Possibly someone else here can benefit from reading it, too.
https://hbr.org/2020/03/that-discomfort-youre-feeling-is-grief
That is a good article. I have always had a problem with what I call 'anticipatory depression', which is essentially the same thing. I think about the bad things that are going to happen (loss of family members, loss of financial stability) and spiral down into a deep depression. If I can remember that they haven't happened yet, and may not happen for a while, I can stop the spiral. Looking at the good things in my life right now: my husband, dog, plenty of food and a warm dry home, helps me to get back into the moment and remember to focus on the now, not the uncertain future.
I, too, have anxiety about "what might happen". Looking back, it never does, and I think of all the energy wasted on these scenarios. I could put that energy to use in better ways.8 -
Indiana update
Tested: 2,931
Positive: 365
Deaths: 12
Marion and Hamilton counties (where I work and live) have both jumped up in cases at 161 and 25 respectively.
I am feeling better. My cough is a lot less frequent and still no fever. I am SO nauseated this morning though. No idea what is up. Hope it is not a stomach bug because I just don't know if I could deal with that right now. And since I am working and can't get to the store, I can't get some ginger ale. I asked my family if anyone was going out to look. If they can't I will reach out to a friend to see if she is willing. Hopefully someone can. I am struggling this morning.
My issue is with trees fornicating, like they do this time of year. I've had the sniffles and a cough for a couple of weeks now, and isn't helping my anxiety much. ("Is it allergies, or will I get a fever tomorrow?)20 -
Does anyone know the list of most recent state shut downs? I know Vermont and Washington are(I think!) as of 5 p.m. today. What other states are on that list? I google for info and I only get news from a day or more ago, which in this current environment, is already old news.
Thank you!
Here a good map from yesterday: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/coronavirus-stay-at-home-order.html
You can get notices on your phone and computer for updated news if you want -- I am constantly being updated by the Trib, among others, and state decisions about stay at home orders has been among that. They also have a running report of the latest stuff.
That said, it might be better for mental health not to do that. My computer constantly telling me the latest bad thing when I'm trying to focus on work or whatnot isn't always great.3 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....
The problem with the stimulus package...for income levels, they are using your 2018 tax returns or 2019 if you have already filed. This doesn't take into account people who have lost their jobs due to this crisis. If, as an individual, you made $75,000 last year, but now are unemployed, you don't qualify. Plus, if you do qualify, a one-time payment of $1,200 doesn't cover one month's rent/mortgage for a lot of people.
It would make more sense, and do more good, to focus on expanding unemployment benefits and making it easier for people to sign up and receive these benefits. I think this is a part of the bill as well, but I think more could be done there. Then, you have unemployed people receiving regular benefits instead of a lump sum. But, it looks better politically to just send checks out to people.
I just worry about what ELSE in in the bill...and how much large corporations stand to take advantage, while small businesses and individuals are thrown a bone. I'll have to look into details, though, once they release them. I'm just always cynical in thinking that politicians are going to do what's best for them and their campaign donors.
I'm currently employed, so don't need the check now. However, if I do become unemployed, because I have been mis-classified as an Independent Contractor, I'd normally not be eligible for unemployment.
Anyone know if there are any new provisions for Independent Contractors?0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »After a few days of no community transmitted cases (all cases are either already quarantined or of known trackable origins), the curfew has been scaled back. Corner stores are now open, and we are allowed to be outside before 6 pm. I expected total chaos now that people are free to go out, but it appears a full curfew has changed how seriously they are taking this. They now stand in line and keep a proper distance between them all on their own. We have enough small stores everywhere, and larger stores are only open for delivery.
What country are you in again and when did you start taking measures to prevent community spread?
Jordan. They moved fast. Started measures when the first case was discovered. Closed land borders, then denied entry for non-citizens from high-risk countries, then stopped flights to and from high risk countries, then denied entry for non-citizens from all countries, then stopped all passenger flights. Returning citizens were transported to quarantine from the airport. When an earlier undiscovered case was present at a wedding which lead to a few more cases, they closed non-essencial businesses (lockdown) and closed all roads between provinces, and then when they discovered a case they couldn't track back to a source, they announced a full curfew, which now has been scaled back. The curfew only lasted 5 days to make sure no new cases of unknown origins were spreading. We were in lockdown for about a week before that. Everything happened fast.
Glad you're making out well in Jordan! The advantages to swift, decisive government action...
Are they planning to reopen the borders? That would seem premature...4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....
The problem with the stimulus package...for income levels, they are using your 2018 tax returns or 2019 if you have already filed. This doesn't take into account people who have lost their jobs due to this crisis. If, as an individual, you made $75,000 last year, but now are unemployed, you don't qualify. Plus, if you do qualify, a one-time payment of $1,200 doesn't cover one month's rent/mortgage for a lot of people.
It would make more sense, and do more good, to focus on expanding unemployment benefits and making it easier for people to sign up and receive these benefits. I think this is a part of the bill as well, but I think more could be done there. Then, you have unemployed people receiving regular benefits instead of a lump sum. But, it looks better politically to just send checks out to people.
My understanding is that it does do that:
"Lawmakers agreed to a significant expansion of unemployment benefits that would extend jobless insurance by 13 weeks and include a four-month enhancement of benefits. At the insistence of Democrats, the program was broadened to include freelancers, furloughed employees and gig workers, such as Uber drivers."
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"The bill provides federally guaranteed loans available at community banks to small businesses that pledge not to lay off their workers. The loans would be available during an emergency period ending June 30 and would be forgiven if the employer continued to pay workers for the duration of the crisis."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-cb-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-20200325-wb4iwfyo55gbpidpredbukekqm-story.html6 -
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kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »After a few days of no community transmitted cases (all cases are either already quarantined or of known trackable origins), the curfew has been scaled back. Corner stores are now open, and we are allowed to be outside before 6 pm. I expected total chaos now that people are free to go out, but it appears a full curfew has changed how seriously they are taking this. They now stand in line and keep a proper distance between them all on their own. We have enough small stores everywhere, and larger stores are only open for delivery.
What country are you in again and when did you start taking measures to prevent community spread?
Jordan. They moved fast. Started measures when the first case was discovered. Closed land borders, then denied entry for non-citizens from high-risk countries, then stopped flights to and from high risk countries, then denied entry for non-citizens from all countries, then stopped all passenger flights. Returning citizens were transported to quarantine from the airport. When an earlier undiscovered case was present at a wedding which lead to a few more cases, they closed non-essencial businesses (lockdown) and closed all roads between provinces, and then when they discovered a case they couldn't track back to a source, they announced a full curfew, which now has been scaled back. The curfew only lasted 5 days to make sure no new cases of unknown origins were spreading. We were in lockdown for about a week before that. Everything happened fast.
Glad you're making out well in Jordan! The advantages to swift, decisive government action...
Are they planning to reopen the borders? That would seem premature...
Too early to know. It depends on the state of the world if we do manage to control local spread (it could still spread despite the efforts now that some stores are open - many people are acting responsibly, but some aren't).4 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....
The problem with the stimulus package...for income levels, they are using your 2018 tax returns or 2019 if you have already filed. This doesn't take into account people who have lost their jobs due to this crisis. If, as an individual, you made $75,000 last year, but now are unemployed, you don't qualify. Plus, if you do qualify, a one-time payment of $1,200 doesn't cover one month's rent/mortgage for a lot of people.
It would make more sense, and do more good, to focus on expanding unemployment benefits and making it easier for people to sign up and receive these benefits. I think this is a part of the bill as well, but I think more could be done there. Then, you have unemployed people receiving regular benefits instead of a lump sum. But, it looks better politically to just send checks out to people.
My understanding is that it does do that:
"Lawmakers agreed to a significant expansion of unemployment benefits that would extend jobless insurance by 13 weeks and include a four-month enhancement of benefits. At the insistence of Democrats, the program was broadened to include freelancers, furloughed employees and gig workers, such as Uber drivers."
-also-
"The bill provides federally guaranteed loans available at community banks to small businesses that pledge not to lay off their workers. The loans would be available during an emergency period ending June 30 and would be forgiven if the employer continued to pay workers for the duration of the crisis."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-cb-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-20200325-wb4iwfyo55gbpidpredbukekqm-story.html
Good stuff... I have a bro-in-law who is a personal trainer/message therapist (self-employed). His business has all but dried up at this point, and it's actually forbidden now with our stay at home order. My sister is a middle school teacher, and they have two teens. I worry about them and their ability to keep expenses covered during this whole thing.
I'm not greatly concerned about my family. We have no kids, and we've been living on one paycheck for quite some time now, and I work for an "essential" business in an "essential" function, so I'm not worried about my job security. Even if we have to keep buying the more expensive grocery items, we should be okay, since it's somewhat offset by the fact that our transportation expenses are much less since we're hardly going anywhere. I do wonder how much higher our electricity bill is going to be next month though with us both at home so much now (and the temps jumping up to the 80s and 90s too).
There are so many complicating factors at work.... my anxiety kicks in thinking about the economy and how many people who are being impacted that no one sees struggling.4 -
I started crying with relief and gratitude when I read this. Then I remembered that it has not yet been signed into law. Never-the-less, I am optimistic.SuzySunshine99 wrote: »SuzySunshine99 wrote: »I braved the grocery store today in the Chicago area.
They were fairly well-stocked, except for paper products and dairy. There was minimal milk, cheese, and eggs. Not totally out, but choices were limited. I had to get organic, brown, cage-free eggs (for $4 a dozen). Fancy cheese was plentiful as was organic milk ($6 a gallon). This is okay temporarily but my husband was laid off so we are operating at half out regular income here. If this continues, I might have to check other stores in the area for better deals. Everything else I needed, I got...meat was fully stocked.
People were good about waiting 6 feet apart at the checkout lanes, and cashiers were disinfecting their stations between every customer.
As an amusing side-note, the cars in the parking lot were parked in every other space. Do cars need to social distance?
(Yeah, I know, people were probably thinking that they didn't want to get too close to anyone while loading their groceries, but it just looked funny to me).
Single income household here too (my husband is in school full time). I noticed the same thing the last time I was in the grocery store - only milk available was Fairlife, which was way more than I wanted to spend, or skim, which doesn't work well for cooking. I hope the stimulus package that was just passed helps y'all out! I haven't looked too hard at it, because politics is making my head explode these days, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the politicians actually did something useful for a change.
I dread going to the grocery store right now, because there are long lines just to get into our most common grocery chain, and the less common ones just don't have stock when I go. I have to go sometime this week though to pick up eggs and flour for my grandmother. Maybe I'll try going out first thing in the morning, and see if I can beat the rush....
The problem with the stimulus package...for income levels, they are using your 2018 tax returns or 2019 if you have already filed. This doesn't take into account people who have lost their jobs due to this crisis. If, as an individual, you made $75,000 last year, but now are unemployed, you don't qualify. Plus, if you do qualify, a one-time payment of $1,200 doesn't cover one month's rent/mortgage for a lot of people.
It would make more sense, and do more good, to focus on expanding unemployment benefits and making it easier for people to sign up and receive these benefits. I think this is a part of the bill as well, but I think more could be done there. Then, you have unemployed people receiving regular benefits instead of a lump sum. But, it looks better politically to just send checks out to people.
My understanding is that it does do that:
"Lawmakers agreed to a significant expansion of unemployment benefits that would extend jobless insurance by 13 weeks and include a four-month enhancement of benefits. At the insistence of Democrats, the program was broadened to include freelancers, furloughed employees and gig workers, such as Uber drivers."-also-
"The bill provides federally guaranteed loans available at community banks to small businesses that pledge not to lay off their workers. The loans would be available during an emergency period ending June 30 and would be forgiven if the employer continued to pay workers for the duration of the crisis."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-cb-coronavirus-stimulus-bill-20200325-wb4iwfyo55gbpidpredbukekqm-story.html
I sent this to my employer and highlighted "would be forgiven if the employer continued to pay workers for the duration of the crisis."8 -
Indiana update
Tested: 2,931
Positive: 365
Deaths: 12
Marion and Hamilton counties (where I work and live) have both jumped up in cases at 161 and 25 respectively.
I am feeling better. My cough is a lot less frequent and still no fever. I am SO nauseated this morning though. No idea what is up. Hope it is not a stomach bug because I just don't know if I could deal with that right now. And since I am working and can't get to the store, I can't get some ginger ale. I asked my family if anyone was going out to look. If they can't I will reach out to a friend to see if she is willing. Hopefully someone can. I am struggling this morning.
My issue is with trees fornicating, like they do this time of year. I've had the sniffles and a cough for a couple of weeks now, and isn't helping my anxiety much. ("Is it allergies, or will I get a fever tomorrow?)
I'm right there with you! I sneezed violently all day yesterday. Fortunately in the privacy of my own home. I can't imagine the public scorn I'd be getting outside of the home. I took 2 Benadryl and peaced out last night. It's a really horrible time to have seasonal allergies. Not too bad today but i think because it's been raining all day. I'm so paranoid, though. I feel fine, but I've still been taking my temp every day.5 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »Indiana update
Tested: 2,931
Positive: 365
Deaths: 12
Marion and Hamilton counties (where I work and live) have both jumped up in cases at 161 and 25 respectively.
I am feeling better. My cough is a lot less frequent and still no fever. I am SO nauseated this morning though. No idea what is up. Hope it is not a stomach bug because I just don't know if I could deal with that right now. And since I am working and can't get to the store, I can't get some ginger ale. I asked my family if anyone was going out to look. If they can't I will reach out to a friend to see if she is willing. Hopefully someone can. I am struggling this morning.
My issue is with trees fornicating, like they do this time of year. I've had the sniffles and a cough for a couple of weeks now, and isn't helping my anxiety much. ("Is it allergies, or will I get a fever tomorrow?)
I'm right there with you! I sneezed violently all day yesterday. Fortunately in the privacy of my own home. I can't imagine the public scorn I'd be getting outside of the home. I took 2 Benadryl and peaced out last night. It's a really horrible time to have seasonal allergies. Not too bad today but i think because it's been raining all day. I'm so paranoid, though. I feel fine, but I've still been taking my temp every day.
Heh, I was just having this conversation with someone. I have bad allergies. I've had nasal and throat congestion for a couple weeks now plus a dry cough and lots of sneezing. I keep reminding myself that I'm fine, it's just allergies and if I do get it, I'll most likely be okay anyway. The urge to check my temp is strong sometimes though.
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