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I found this interesting -- about how Chicago opened up again after the 1918-19 flu (excerpted from the piece in the link):
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/04/15/how-can-chicago-reopen-after-coronavirus-heres-how-we-did-it-after-1918s-spanish-flu/
"Christopher Kindell, a postdoctorate fellow at University of Chicago, has studied Chicago’s and Illinois’ response to the Spanish Flu and found parallels — and differences — to the coronavirus pandemic. During the 1918 pandemic, city and state officials shut down businesses, banned gatherings and tried to get sick people to stay home....
"By the end of October [1918], it seemed all the social distancing measures had worked, Kindell said. Influenza cases fell rapidly.
That’s when local officials begin to gradually reopen Chicago — but because neighborhoods had fared differently, each region of the city faced a different timeline for the lifting of restrictions.
The reopening of Chicago started on Oct. 29, when the city allowed music and entertainment to resume in restaurants, cafes and hotels, according to the Influenza Archive. Movie houses and theaters were allowed to open on Oct. 30, but only if they were between Howard Street and Diversey Parkway; by the next day, that was expanded to places between Diversey Parkway and 12th Street, and all were allowed to open by Nov. 1.
Public meetings were allowed to resume in some parts of the city on Oct. 31, and they were allowed everywhere in Chicago by Nov. 2.
“Clusters of cases would appear in certain districts at certain times,” Kindell said. “Once those clusters decreased, then that neighborhood could come up for reopening while neighboring neighborhoods … might still be going through a cluster of outbreaks.”
There were still some restrictions even as businesses reopened: Sick people were to stay home, there was to be no crowding and all places had to close by 10 p.m., according to the Influenza Archive.
But by Nov. 4, the city appears to have been “up and running again,” though historians say the pandemic lasted until mid-November, Kindell said."
My note: I think the neighborhood by neighborhood approach wouldn't work as well now, where there is a lot of interaction between neighborhoods -- kind of surprised it could work even back then.
"In all, there was an estimated 38,000 cases of Spanish Flu throughout the city, Kindell said, and Chicago — which, like now, had a population of 2.7 million — fared well and saw fewer deaths compared to other major cities.
Chicago fared better economically, too, Kindell said.
One of the reasons is because Chicago used “non-pharmaceutical” methods of combatting the flu — that is, officials enforced social distancing.
“Chicago, along with a number of other cities like Seattle and Portland and Denver … implemented these non-pharmaceutical interventions at a very early stage compared to other cities,” Kindell said. “Chicago did a relatively good job at not just implementing these measures at an early stage but also making them exceptionally strict and following them to the letter.”
It helped that Chicago kept its social distancing measures in place “for an appropriate amount of time,” Kindell said."
However:
"There’s a key difference that complicates things, though: Chicago only had its restrictions in place for about a month and a half during the Spanish Flu pandemic, Kindell said....
“Right now we’re still in the throes of a global pandemic,” Kindell said. “We’re in week four of social distancing recommendations, and so I think right now we just don’t know enough to understand how long this is going to last."7 -
This is an interesting documentary on tracking everything through people’s mobile devices in China. It is scary.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-chinas-high-tech-eyes-monitor-behavior-and-dissent4 -
L1zardQueen wrote: »This is an interesting documentary on tracking everything through people’s mobile devices in China. It is scary.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-chinas-high-tech-eyes-monitor-behavior-and-dissent
The facial recognition there reminds me of the red queen in the hive in resident evil. All they are missing the the little girl saying "you're all going to die down here"
Lol.. but it's pretty sad that someone is considered untrustworthy because they jay walked across the street. Lol... I'm the most awful untrustworthy person ever then3 -
My note: I think the neighborhood by neighborhood approach wouldn't work as well now, where there is a lot of interaction between neighborhoods -- kind of surprised it could work even back then.
They're currently doing something similar here, but by provenance. I agree, each neighborhood having a different timeline would be a logistical nightmare.
Starting next week, the southernmost provenance (very far from all known clusters) will gradually open up. They will concentrate testing there for the next 3 days and if all results are negative they will isolate it (no one is allowed in or out) and gradually ease lockdown. The rest of the country will still be in lockdown, and certain neighborhoods or buildings where cases are clustered are completely quarantined off and not allowed to leave. Maybe that's what they mean? Focusing on closing off infected neighborhoods instead of having actual timelines for each neighborhood?2 -
Health care workers started protesting for lack of PPE at UNM Hospital this morning.6
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The Michigan gridlock protest in Lansing officially started at noon, and is still ongoing now, at 3PM and after. Reports are that it will take some hours to be over.
It's unclear (to me) as yet how large it is or was in numerical terms, but it was widely attended, caused traffic jams on the highway segments that normally clog a bit at rush hour, and tied up the surface streets at the capitol building and in surrounding parts of the city.
One of the nearby things is the (the, not a, I believe) level 1 trauma center hospital. There are photos/video of lights and sirens ambulances unable to make it through the blockages, and reports of hospital staff unable to reach the hospital for their shifts (or leave). There are reports that police are assisting in getting both of these kinds of traffic through the blockage, as best they are able. Some hospital staff have posted photos or video taken from an enclosed skywalk that crosses the main road, connecting the hospital to a professional building/parking.
Around the capitol building, based on photos (that have people holding topically relevant signs so I believe they're not fake), there are quite a number of people on foot, most unmasked, often not at recommended distances from one another, some of them appearing to be shouting (so probably spreading droplets relatively further than they would if not shouting).
Early reports suggest that there is in fact representation from a wide number of locations in the state, and presuably those folks will return to their communities again after the event.
Based on the non-random sample of my Facebook friends - who are politically diverse - this event (as we see what it is actually doing) has some continuing support from some people, but seems (to me) so far to have drawn criticism, even outrage, from people who haven't been too vocal about their feelings (regarding supporting/opposing current lockdown) before this. Of course, those who've supported the lockdown are outraged. Impressions and reactions will change, I'm sure, as the event wraps up, more information comes out, more opinion comes out formally and informally, and memories of it change.
I'm trying very hard here to keep this to simple facts that I'm quite confident are true, and not offer my political opinions on the subject.9 -
That's a shame that ambulances and hospital workers were left to suffer... no belief in my opinion should cost lives in its protest or support2
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amusedmonkey wrote: »
My note: I think the neighborhood by neighborhood approach wouldn't work as well now, where there is a lot of interaction between neighborhoods -- kind of surprised it could work even back then.
They're currently doing something similar here, but by provenance. I agree, each neighborhood having a different timeline would be a logistical nightmare.
Starting next week, the southernmost provenance (very far from all known clusters) will gradually open up. They will concentrate testing there for the next 3 days and if all results are negative they will isolate it (no one is allowed in or out) and gradually ease lockdown. The rest of the country will still be in lockdown, and certain neighborhoods or buildings where cases are clustered are completely quarantined off and not allowed to leave. Maybe that's what they mean? Focusing on closing off infected neighborhoods instead of having actual timelines for each neighborhood?
I don't think they will try neighborhood by neighborhood this time. That's just what they did in 1918. I can see better testing, testing for antibodies (if they actually prove to prevent reinfection) and then better quarantining of those infected, perhaps.
I was thinking about county by county since there are real differences here, but it's hard to imagine even that working as people are so mobile. I think one thing they will do is open up partially but keep social distancing in place in a lot of ways, and no gatherings above certain sizes still.2 -
Based on the non-random sample of my Facebook friends - who are politically diverse - this event (as we see what it is actually doing) has some continuing support from some people, but seems (to me) so far to have drawn criticism, even outrage, from people who haven't been too vocal about their feelings (regarding supporting/opposing current lockdown) before this. Of course, those who've supported the lockdown are outraged. Impressions and reactions will change, I'm sure, as the event wraps up, more information comes out, more opinion comes out formally and informally, and memories of it change.
Regarding the apparent belief by the protestors that the economy/business would be just fine absent the shutdown, I think there's a ton of evidence to the contrary. JD Vance (who is a conservative, for what that's worth) does an analysis here, including of the difficulties figuring out how to open stuff up again, which I find pretty compelling and fact-based. (For anyone who actually wants to read it, you have to scroll down near the end, as he goes through a variety of other issues first.)
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This protest thing is very interesting to me, because the Michigan lockdown rules seem to be pretty much in line with what we're doing in New Zealand, and here it's been pretty well accepted. We're well on track to have some restrictions lifted in a week, at the end of our initial four week lockdown period, but a decision on that won't be made until Next Monday. People may get stroppier about it if it goes on longer, though apparently a poll a few days ago showed 60% support for an extension if necessary.12
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An update from where I live in the state of South Australia.
I live in a regional town and we have contained our town cases to 6 - all returnees from overseas travel who have self isolated on return. 2 have completed their self isolation and are fully recovered - so 4 active cases.
South Australia as a state is doing well compared to other states. But 4 people have died.
Our restrictions are not so tight here, compared even to other states of Australia - but our borders are locked down - all returnees from anywhere, including other states of Australia, must self isolate for 14 days.
My husband and I are both still working and our jobs cannot be done from home and we have no children home from school so the effect on us personally is less than that of many other people.
I work in a medical centre - nearly all Dr appt's are now done by phone, no patients come into the surgery except, when absolutely neccesary, into one room which opens directly to outside (is usually for ambulance access)
I am working from that room and operating a drive thru clinic for flu vaccines (90% of my work atm) and any other patients on regular injections - contraceptive injections, mental health injections , child immunisations etc.
If at all possible, they stay in their car or sit on seats outside their car if neccesary and come inside only if really neccesary
(some injections which are given into the butt cannot be done in the car or on outside seats
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Me in my current work uniform
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paperpudding wrote: »An update from where I live in the state of South Australia.
I live in a regional town and we have contained our town cases to 6 - all returnees from overseas travel who have self isolated on return. 2 have completed their self isolation and are fully recovered - so 4 active cases.
South Australia as a state is doing well compared to other states. But 4 people have died.
Our restrictions are not so tight here, compared even to other states of Australia - but our borders are locked down - all returnees from anywhere, including other states of Australia, must self isolate for 14 days.
My husband and I are both still working and our jobs cannot be done from home and we have no children home from school so the effect on us personally is less than that of many other people.
I work in a medical centre - nearly all Dr appt's are now done by phone, no patients come into the surgery except, when absolutely neccesary, into one room which opens directly to outside (is usually for ambulance access)
I am working from that room and operating a drive thru clinic for flu vaccines (90% of my work atm) and any other patients on regular injections - contraceptive injections, mental health injections , child immunisations etc.
If at all possible, they stay in their car or sit on seats outside their car if neccesary and come inside only if really neccesary
(some injections which are given into the butt cannot be done in the car or on outside seats )
Me in my current work uniform
Thank you for keeping it up @paperpudding - even those of us who aren't in Australia appreciate that you're still out there making sure folks are medically as squared away as possible right now. :flowerforyou:8 -
Quick update from slightly south of DC (in MD). Masks have become almost mandatory in the area. Several surrounding counties have mandated masks when shopping, and I suspect that my county will come on board shortly. Many stores in the area are already mandating a mask when on their premises. I have a few coming via Amazon eventually, but heaven only knows when they'll get here. In the meantime, I've been heading out with my winter running gator... Also, still working from home and seeking TP. I think I may head to Walmart first thing in the morning tomorrow to see if there is any. And working from home is becoming a bit easier. I wonder if they'll let us continue to do so every once in a while after we are told we can head back to the office...4
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The blue hair covering and orange vest really caught my attention, lol
Lol twins
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Update from Georgia. Our shelter-in-place order will go until the end of April and our State of Emergency until May 13th. The factory my husband works at is now closed until the shelter-in-place order ends. They received a notification today that an independent contractor, who had been doing some construction work in the plant, tested positive on March 16th, but that everyone who was at risk was notified immediately.
In other news, I haven't gone anywhere since early-March. It's starting to wear on me. I have been making masks and donating them to keep me busy. And I'm avoiding the news, save for the daily update from my state health department. Too many doom and gloom headlines based on, "one of many projected outcomes." My anxiety can't take another article about how we're going to need immunity certificates to be allowed to work or go out in public until at least 2023.6 -
In Los Angeles County, concerts and sporting events may be cancelled through next year
https://patch.com/california/culvercity/s/h30mz/coronavirus-may-cancel-la-sports-concerts-until-2021-report?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
Our stay-at-home order is through May 15. I don't know if that will change over the coming days or not.3 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Quick update from slightly south of DC (in MD). Masks have become almost mandatory in the area. Several surrounding counties have mandated masks when shopping, and I suspect that my county will come on board shortly. Many stores in the area are already mandating a mask when on their premises. I have a few coming via Amazon eventually, but heaven only knows when they'll get here. In the meantime, I've been heading out with my winter running gator... Also, still working from home and seeking TP. I think I may head to Walmart first thing in the morning tomorrow to see if there is any. And working from home is becoming a bit easier. I wonder if they'll let us continue to do so every once in a while after we are told we can head back to the office...
I ordered a couple of masks from a couple of different places hoping one of them will get to me before the end of the month. Work was nice enough to get us all one but it's too big for me and I'm not sure I have the creative skills to make it work lol. I've tried a couple of no sew ones myself, but they've all been too hard to breathe with so far.
In town I'd say maybe half the people out and about are wearing masks. Out here in the rural counties I'll just see one here or there. It's really easy to stay 6-10 ft away from people and we have very few cases, so I think a lot of people think it's a waste. I hope they're not taking too much of a gamble. There are no mask requirements here I central VA, just recommended.2 -
The Michigan gridlock protest in Lansing officially started at noon, and is still ongoing now, at 3PM and after. Reports are that it will take some hours to be over.
It's unclear (to me) as yet how large it is or was in numerical terms, but it was widely attended, caused traffic jams on the highway segments that normally clog a bit at rush hour, and tied up the surface streets at the capitol building and in surrounding parts of the city.
One of the nearby things is the (the, not a, I believe) level 1 trauma center hospital. There are photos/video of lights and sirens ambulances unable to make it through the blockages, and reports of hospital staff unable to reach the hospital for their shifts (or leave). There are reports that police are assisting in getting both of these kinds of traffic through the blockage, as best they are able. Some hospital staff have posted photos or video taken from an enclosed skywalk that crosses the main road, connecting the hospital to a professional building/parking.
Around the capitol building, based on photos (that have people holding topically relevant signs so I believe they're not fake), there are quite a number of people on foot, most unmasked, often not at recommended distances from one another, some of them appearing to be shouting (so probably spreading droplets relatively further than they would if not shouting).
Early reports suggest that there is in fact representation from a wide number of locations in the state, and presuably those folks will return to their communities again after the event.
Based on the non-random sample of my Facebook friends - who are politically diverse - this event (as we see what it is actually doing) has some continuing support from some people, but seems (to me) so far to have drawn criticism, even outrage, from people who haven't been too vocal about their feelings (regarding supporting/opposing current lockdown) before this. Of course, those who've supported the lockdown are outraged. Impressions and reactions will change, I'm sure, as the event wraps up, more information comes out, more opinion comes out formally and informally, and memories of it change.
I'm trying very hard here to keep this to simple facts that I'm quite confident are true, and not offer my political opinions on the subject.
I saw some pictures posted of the protest. A lot of the people with signs were targeting the governor in particular from a partisan standpoint, I get the feeling they'd be against whatever she did just because of that alone. There also were people with signs promoting antivax conspiracy messages and Confederate flags, which just tells me those people won't ever be reasoned with either.17 -
paperpudding wrote: »An update from where I live in the state of South Australia.
I live in a regional town and we have contained our town cases to 6 - all returnees from overseas travel who have self isolated on return. 2 have completed their self isolation and are fully recovered - so 4 active cases.
South Australia as a state is doing well compared to other states. But 4 people have died.
Our restrictions are not so tight here, compared even to other states of Australia - but our borders are locked down - all returnees from anywhere, including other states of Australia, must self isolate for 14 days.
My husband and I are both still working and our jobs cannot be done from home and we have no children home from school so the effect on us personally is less than that of many other people.
I work in a medical centre - nearly all Dr appt's are now done by phone, no patients come into the surgery except, when absolutely neccesary, into one room which opens directly to outside (is usually for ambulance access)
I am working from that room and operating a drive thru clinic for flu vaccines (90% of my work atm) and any other patients on regular injections - contraceptive injections, mental health injections , child immunisations etc.
If at all possible, they stay in their car or sit on seats outside their car if neccesary and come inside only if really neccesary
(some injections which are given into the butt cannot be done in the car or on outside seats )
Me in my current work uniform
Bless your heart for what you do.
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No mandatory masks here in Texas. Heard USA president talking about opening the country back up soon.Will see who he opens up or not - plus how it goes. I’m still waiting to see our jump in cases from Easter parties. Good news is after that cops are getting like only 40calls a day now so way less work for them so they can concentrate on more important stuff like assisting Medical facilities to food drives ect2
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Just posting to be part of this thread. Haven't read it all, but I'm sure attitudes have changed a lot in the 6 weeks since the first page.
I live on an island with a relatively small number of cases, but I think I've seen it all. Curfew, lockdown, panic buying, job losses, work from home, school closures, etc.7 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Quick update from slightly south of DC (in MD). Masks have become almost mandatory in the area. Several surrounding counties have mandated masks when shopping, and I suspect that my county will come on board shortly. Many stores in the area are already mandating a mask when on their premises. I have a few coming via Amazon eventually, but heaven only knows when they'll get here. In the meantime, I've been heading out with my winter running gator... Also, still working from home and seeking TP. I think I may head to Walmart first thing in the morning tomorrow to see if there is any. And working from home is becoming a bit easier. I wonder if they'll let us continue to do so every once in a while after we are told we can head back to the office...
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/maryland-gov-hogan-signs-order-requiring-people-to-wear-masks-at-stores-on-transit
This was just posted recently...3 -
In Los Angeles County, concerts and sporting events may be cancelled through next year
https://patch.com/california/culvercity/s/h30mz/coronavirus-may-cancel-la-sports-concerts-until-2021-report?utm_source=alert-breakingnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=alert
Our stay-at-home order is through May 15. I don't know if that will change over the coming days or not.
That's happening everywhere with stay at home orders. Ours was just extended from April 14th until May 3rd instead.0 -
KrissCanDoThis wrote: »The blue hair covering and orange vest really caught my attention, lol
Lol twins
Hahaha.
The orange vest is not medical PPE - they are just cheap tradies Hi Vis vests we got from hardware store.
Since if we are giving vaccines to people on both sides of car we have to walk out into laneway of car park and don't want to get run over
The area is cordoned off - but one of the patients has already driven over the star dropper holding the screen in place.
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Our governor has refused to issue SIP for the one city (two counties) that has become a hot-spot. Instead the city council is going to do so with a new ordinance but that will take another week to be legal.
My son works in a hospital there. I have to actively not think about it so I don't melt into a puddle of worry. He is coming home tomorrow to pick up eggs; how is this real that he can't come into his childhood home without wearing a mask and gloves because I'm high risk?9 -
I realized I was low on TP today, so decided to actually brave my grocery store, which I haven't been to since the stay at home order on 3/20 (actually, since more than a week before, as I peeked in on 3/19 and it was a nightmare of people freaking pre rumored stay at home order). I have gone to a local meat market instead.
I wore the mask I managed to buy on Sunday, but it was kind of frustrating as -- as with the impromptu masks I've made at home -- it made my glasses fog up such that I ended up removing them.
When I got to the store their way of controlling population was "everyone must have a cart (carts were limited), don't have more than one person per party," but although there were plenty of carts available, there were also plenty of couples going in and others without grabbing a cart (they were sanitizing the handle and giving you a sanitary wipe also), so it was IMO too crowded, more so than Home Depot and apparently TJs (which is being limited to 10 customers at a time). WF is very limited too, not sure to what extent. Also, just the set up of the grocery store was not conducive to social distancing.
I grabbed some veg (zucchini, asparagus, and carrots) because I had been forced to have a cart so figured I'd get a few desired items beyond the purpose for me being there and then checked the TP aisle which was somewhat bare but had 6 and 12 roll packages. There was a sign saying no more than 2 packages per customer. I grabbed just one 6 roll, since I really didn't need more (had there been a line I was prepared to go to 7-11, which might have been less stressful). I would have grabbed some cottage cheese but I was frustrated about my inability to see anything without my glasses and the number of people in the store, so I just went to check out, which went fast.
I think at this point I don't need to go back anytime soon, so likely will not. I tried to order TP at Target earlier and it was out, but I signed up to be notified when it is back. All food I can get elsewhere (or go back to my far less stressful meat market that just lacks TP).
For what it's worth they did have a full selection of everything. The only thing they looked low on and were limiting was TP, and I bought that after 6 pm, and there was plenty left.7 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Then there was the Cannonball race that recently happened with the winners averaging 100+ mph between NY and CA. If you factor stopping for necessary supplies (gas) and body functions (probably setup to do some/most liquid "dehydration" while moving, maybe plenty of loperamide for the rest)... so stopping for gas and slowing for turns, ice, and slower traffic; they had to be going way faster than 100mph for some of that. Just think if there was a crash and they took up scarce resources (hospital beds). How stupid and selfish!
Crazy.
I don't know if this is true, but I recall driving on the OH Turnpike years ago, and my then bf claimed that people had been ticketed because the tollbooth people would see the time between getting on and getting off and note that they clearly had been driving over the speed limit.2 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »No mandatory masks here in Texas. Heard USA president talking about opening the country back up soon.Will see who he opens up or not - plus how it goes. I’m still waiting to see our jump in cases from Easter parties. Good news is after that cops are getting like only 40calls a day now so way less work for them so they can concentrate on more important stuff like assisting Medical facilities to food drives ect
Still not sure how he can open a state up if the gov or mayor says no. Federalism, it's real.13 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Quick update from slightly south of DC (in MD). Masks have become almost mandatory in the area. Several surrounding counties have mandated masks when shopping, and I suspect that my county will come on board shortly. Many stores in the area are already mandating a mask when on their premises. I have a few coming via Amazon eventually, but heaven only knows when they'll get here. In the meantime, I've been heading out with my winter running gator... Also, still working from home and seeking TP. I think I may head to Walmart first thing in the morning tomorrow to see if there is any. And working from home is becoming a bit easier. I wonder if they'll let us continue to do so every once in a while after we are told we can head back to the office...
I ordered a couple of masks from a couple of different places hoping one of them will get to me before the end of the month. Work was nice enough to get us all one but it's too big for me and I'm not sure I have the creative skills to make it work lol. I've tried a couple of no sew ones myself, but they've all been too hard to breathe with so far.
In town I'd say maybe half the people out and about are wearing masks. Out here in the rural counties I'll just see one here or there. It's really easy to stay 6-10 ft away from people and we have very few cases, so I think a lot of people think it's a waste. I hope they're not taking too much of a gamble. There are no mask requirements here I central VA, just recommended.
When I've been in stores lately I've been sure to wear them (about 80% of those I've seen in stores are too). Where I live (in the city, but in a less dense part of it) I see about 50% of people just walking around wearing them and I don't feel like I need to to go for a walk or run as it's easy to avoid people by crossing the street. I'm open to masks but currently they are hard to find, I'm not confident my own homemade ones are any good, and they make my glasses fog up and are hard not to adjust (as cwolfman expressed concern about).4 -
I hate that I'm becoming desensitized to numbers. Back when Italy recorded an all time high of 250 deaths in one day my heart was breaking for them, now people are becoming numbers. I think I may need to lay off checking daily stats for a while.23
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