While out this morning, (UK) a fellow customer was heard asking, " what is social distancing". How many weeks have we been living with virus related restrictions?
I feel for our US friends, I'm in a county where there have been no deaths since the 15th of June, long may it last and happen in more areas. Too much to hope the virus will disappear overnight everywhere.
I think we need "America/Britain/Polynesia/etc.'s Got Talent" to feature performers who explain social distancing and mask use, and a "Bachelor/Batchelorette" who quizes potential mates about coronavirus precautions, and . . . .
Or maybe the Masked Singer could explain it ... to music.
It's probably only a few months. Those people having Covid parties didn't even get much benefit.
While I wish was not the case more and more things point to any antibodies formed from having COVID-19 are going to be short term in nature but time will tell. With December through February being the major flu season in the USA watching reinfection rates of former COVID-19 patients will be of interest. While we now know about the connection of childhood (chicken pox) measles and shingles there are hints of long term system damage like in the heart, gut and brain that may show up over time due to the corona virus that can lead to having COVID-19. While short term COVID-19 death rates seems to be shaping up in the 0.5% range the down the road issues could bite hard on the backside of this 2020 pandemic.
"When COVID-19 first hit it was mainly thought of as a respiratory disease, but now we know the virus also goes after the digestive track, heart and even the brain."
Down the road the "COVID-19 Party" idea may be a very 'nonsmart' thing indeed and be a driver of health care costs down the road as well as today. Since it is shaping up there will be NO herd immunity associated with COVID-19 there is every reason to try and prevent ever being infected by the virus. Sadly the probability of protection from COVID-19 by vaccination is decreasing but at this point in time we are still in the dark and hopefully a light will appear at the end of the tunnel and that it will not be the light of an oncoming train.
Hong Kong did an awesome job of limiting the first wave of the virus yet this second wave news does not sound good for those of us where the first wave is still increasing.
Hong Kong did an awesome job of limiting the first wave of the virus yet this second wave news does not sound good for those of us where the first wave is still increasing.
Maybe it's all relative--I do work in NJ, where they report 200-300 new cases daily--but I wouldn't say 40 new cases is "roaring" back, as the graph suggests. I think they can tighten up restrictions without the hysteric language.
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
I agree 100%! I want facts, let me interpret them and add my own emotions... I don’t want numbers spun to make me feel what you want me to feel.
A guy at my husband’s work is convinced this will disappear after the election. people actually think a WORLDWIDE pandemic is all because of OUR national election. I had heard about that theory circulating, but this is the first IRL example we have had.
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
A guy at my husband’s work is convinced this will disappear after the election. people actually think a WORLDWIDE pandemic is all because of OUR national election. I had heard about that theory circulating, but this is the first IRL example we have had.
Isn't it bizarre? To think all the governments, media, health organizations, epidemiologists, researchers, labs, doctors, hospital administrators, nurses, and morgues in the world are actively participating in this monumental hoax, absorbing the economic and psychological damage, all for one country's next election.
Virginia cases had plateaued for quite awhile but have started creeping back up again. Two nursing facilities had outbreaks. Supposedly as Northern VA has started to see decreased activity, increases are happening along the coast like in Virginia Beach, I'm sure due to vacation season opening up. Much like for the nation, where the numbers looked better than they were for awhile because the activity in NY decreasing offset the outbreaks starting in the south, the previous Virginia hotspots settling down had been offsetting the beach communities starting to see more cases.
All I know is I will continue to be a hermit as much as possible for the foreseeable future. My heart goes out to those who don't have a choice, I hope there are enough if us staying home to alleviate the environments where essential workers are required.
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
I agree 100%! I want facts, let me interpret them and add my own emotions... I don’t want numbers spun to make me feel what you want me to feel.
A guy at my husband’s work is convinced this will disappear after the election. people actually think a WORLDWIDE pandemic is all because of OUR national election. I had heard about that theory circulating, but this is the first IRL example we have had.
I think the COVERAGE (at least here in the USA) of the pandemic will change after the election. No matter which side you lean to (and not to get into politics specifically) it's a fact that the coverage of the pandemic is being politicized and used as a weapon against the "other" side. I imagine depending on the outcome of the election the coverage will change depending on who "wins" but it's naïve to think that politics aren't playing a HUGE factor into the types of coverage we are getting /shrug. At least, as I said, in the USA.
Our case numbers in Washington state continue to rise at a rate of 500-700 per day, and of course that is only the people who have symptoms and get tested but not the large number of untested carriers on any given day.
Population = 10 million
Number of tests completed = 708,000
Positive = 41,757
Rate of positives = 5.9% (same as it's been all along)
Percent of Deaths per positive cases = 3.4% (also about the same)
New Hospitalizations around 40 or fewer per day
Deaths averaging 4-6 per day
The hospitalizations and deaths are down to lower levels than in early days. There are a lot of reasons why this is so and of course it could rocket up at any time, but that is our reality here today.
I took this from the dashboard with lots of info from our DOH in Washington state:
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
I agree 100%! I want facts, let me interpret them and add my own emotions... I don’t want numbers spun to make me feel what you want me to feel.
A guy at my husband’s work is convinced this will disappear after the election. people actually think a WORLDWIDE pandemic is all because of OUR national election. I had heard about that theory circulating, but this is the first IRL example we have had.
I heard that a couple weeks ago at work. Sounds like a lot of people here follow that logic. They don't take precautions either because they don't even believe. This is why cases in my state are increasing so fast.
Our case numbers in Washington state continue to rise at a rate of 500-700 per day, and of course that is only the people who have symptoms and get tested but not the large number of untested carriers on any given day.
Population = 10 million
Number of tests completed = 708,000
Positive = 41,757
Rate of positives = 5.9% (same as it's been all along)
Percent of Deaths per positive cases = 3.4% (also about the same)
New Hospitalizations around 40 or fewer per day
Deaths averaging 4-6 per day
The hospitalizations and deaths are down to lower levels than in early days. There are a lot of reasons why this is so and of course it could rocket up at any time, but that is our reality here today.
I took this from the dashboard with lots of info from our DOH in Washington state:
Suffice to say, cases in the US are still rising. This after initial thoughts were that it would slow down in the warmer, summer months (hasn’t happened, and doesn’t appear to be a factor). Who knows what the fall/winter months may bring. We do know social distancing and masks did slow the spread. It’s a real shame that this turned into a political issue. People’s health is of paramount importance. We all really have a stake in this, it should be uniting people throughout the world, not dividing us.
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
A guy at my husband’s work is convinced this will disappear after the election. people actually think a WORLDWIDE pandemic is all because of OUR national election. I had heard about that theory circulating, but this is the first IRL example we have had.
Isn't it bizarre? To think all the governments, media, health organizations, epidemiologists, researchers, labs, doctors, hospital administrators, nurses, and morgues in the world are actively participating in this monumental hoax, absorbing the economic and psychological damage, all for one country's next election.
Virginia cases had plateaued for quite awhile but have started creeping back up again. Two nursing facilities had outbreaks. Supposedly as Northern VA has started to see decreased activity, increases are happening along the coast like in Virginia Beach, I'm sure due to vacation season opening up. Much like for the nation, where the numbers looked better than they were for awhile because the activity in NY decreasing offset the outbreaks starting in the south, the previous Virginia hotspots settling down had been offsetting the beach communities starting to see more cases.
All I know is I will continue to be a hermit as much as possible for the foreseeable future. My heart goes out to those who don't have a choice, I hope there are enough if us staying home to alleviate the environments where essential workers are required.
It does sound bizarre and the thought all will be fine come 4 Nov 2020 comes from the inability to reason. If this is all being faked then perhaps they think the deceased COVID-19 patients are going to just reappear? Pro science I understand. Pro anti-science I understand but the lack of being rational boggles my mind.
The local Walmart (KY/USA) has an employee standing under a tent with two huge fans blowing from behind him which moves the air from those going into the store away from the employee. When I came out there was no one nearby so I asked him what was his instructions were over masks.
He said they were permitted to suggest wearing a mask per the governor's order but in no way were they to confront a customer with a demand to wear a mask to enter, shop and check out. KY does not want the expense to have police to walk along with the shoppers to physically force people to wear masks naturally plus not all shoppers are even required to wear a mask. The employee said he did not have the knowledge of who were exempt from the order so WM put in place the above mask enforcement policy to help prevent him from physical harm or even death. He and I agreed if people had breathing issues that exempted them from the mask order that it would be best if possible to have someone come shop on their behalf or let other staff pick the items and bring them out to the pick up location.
Our case numbers in Washington state continue to rise at a rate of 500-700 per day, and of course that is only the people who have symptoms and get tested but not the large number of untested carriers on any given day.
Population = 10 million
Number of tests completed = 708,000
Positive = 41,757
Rate of positives = 5.9% (same as it's been all along)
Percent of Deaths per positive cases = 3.4% (also about the same)
New Hospitalizations around 40 or fewer per day
Deaths averaging 4-6 per day
The hospitalizations and deaths are down to lower levels than in early days. There are a lot of reasons why this is so and of course it could rocket up at any time, but that is our reality here today.
I took this from the dashboard with lots of info from our DOH in Washington state:
Probably no one here cares much about our little corner, but it's a hopeful sign to me.
No, that's interesting.
My dad's county (Cowlitz) reported a jump in cases post 7/4, which is not great, but still are listing no deaths, so that's kind of amazing (it's reasonably rural). He seems to be behaving responsibly, for which I credit his wife.
Illinois (pop 12.65 m) has had 2,041,440 tests, 155,506 positives, and 7,218 deaths. The overall positive rate is 7.6%, but in recent weeks it's been about 2.6% (it was up at 25% during the worst of it). Apparently nearly 20% of Chicago's pop has been tested (although of course one can catch it soon thereafter, as you have noted). Recent uptick in cases among 20-somethings is a bit worrisome (especially as we are opening up in a variety of ways). Today about 700 new cases and 25 deaths (which is way better than our numbers at one point).
The local Walmart (KY/USA) has an employee standing under a tent with two huge fans blowing from behind him which moves the air from those going into the store away from the employee. When I came out there was no one nearby so I asked him what was his instructions were over masks.
He said they were permitted to suggest wearing a mask per the governor's order but in no way were they to confront a customer with a demand to wear a mask to enter, shop and check out. KY does not want the expense to have police to walk along with the shoppers to physically force people to wear masks naturally plus not all shoppers are even required to wear a mask. The employee said he did not have the knowledge of who were exempt from the order so WM put in place the above mask enforcement policy to help prevent him from physical harm or even death. He and I agreed if people had breathing issues that exempted them from the mask order that it would be best if possible to have someone come shop on their behalf or let other staff pick the items and bring them out to the pick up location.
That's ridiculous. A store should have the right to have whatever policies they want for people entering. Seems like either a cop-out by WM or an overreach by the state. And no, you don't need to have police "walk along with the shoppers" to have the store (esp one with security, as I would imagine WM has) enforce their own rules about who can enter and check out.
The local Walmart (KY/USA) has an employee standing under a tent with two huge fans blowing from behind him which moves the air from those going into the store away from the employee. When I came out there was no one nearby so I asked him what was his instructions were over masks.
He said they were permitted to suggest wearing a mask per the governor's order but in no way were they to confront a customer with a demand to wear a mask to enter, shop and check out. KY does not want the expense to have police to walk along with the shoppers to physically force people to wear masks naturally plus not all shoppers are even required to wear a mask. The employee said he did not have the knowledge of who were exempt from the order so WM put in place the above mask enforcement policy to help prevent him from physical harm or even death. He and I agreed if people had breathing issues that exempted them from the mask order that it would be best if possible to have someone come shop on their behalf or let other staff pick the items and bring them out to the pick up location.
That's ridiculous. A store should have the right to have whatever policies they want for people entering. Seems like either a cop-out by WM or an overreach by the state. And no, you don't need to have police "walk along with the shoppers" to have the store (esp one with security, as I would imagine WM has) enforce their own rules about who can enter and check out.
Perhaps you are too removed from reality to have a valid opinion on the WM operations? WM stopped having security guards locally years ago perhaps for legal reasons. WM is enforcing their own rules about who can enter and check out.
The local Walmart (KY/USA) has an employee standing under a tent with two huge fans blowing from behind him which moves the air from those going into the store away from the employee. When I came out there was no one nearby so I asked him what was his instructions were over masks.
He said they were permitted to suggest wearing a mask per the governor's order but in no way were they to confront a customer with a demand to wear a mask to enter, shop and check out. KY does not want the expense to have police to walk along with the shoppers to physically force people to wear masks naturally plus not all shoppers are even required to wear a mask. The employee said he did not have the knowledge of who were exempt from the order so WM put in place the above mask enforcement policy to help prevent him from physical harm or even death. He and I agreed if people had breathing issues that exempted them from the mask order that it would be best if possible to have someone come shop on their behalf or let other staff pick the items and bring them out to the pick up location.
That's ridiculous. A store should have the right to have whatever policies they want for people entering. Seems like either a cop-out by WM or an overreach by the state. And no, you don't need to have police "walk along with the shoppers" to have the store (esp one with security, as I would imagine WM has) enforce their own rules about who can enter and check out.
Remember what happened to the store security guard who tried to enforce a mask rule back in May? Nobody unarmed, making $15/hr is going to put up much of an argument with someone who doesn't want to wear a mask. Based on history it unfortunately doesn't end well.
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Or maybe the Masked Singer could explain it ... to music.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20148429v1
While I wish was not the case more and more things point to any antibodies formed from having COVID-19 are going to be short term in nature but time will tell. With December through February being the major flu season in the USA watching reinfection rates of former COVID-19 patients will be of interest. While we now know about the connection of childhood (chicken pox) measles and shingles there are hints of long term system damage like in the heart, gut and brain that may show up over time due to the corona virus that can lead to having COVID-19. While short term COVID-19 death rates seems to be shaping up in the 0.5% range the down the road issues could bite hard on the backside of this 2020 pandemic.
https://khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/long-term-side-effects-of-covid-19-more-extensive-than-previously-believed-according-to-new-findings/285-87cdd66e-d15f-4035-842c-c0739474e2dc
"When COVID-19 first hit it was mainly thought of as a respiratory disease, but now we know the virus also goes after the digestive track, heart and even the brain."
Down the road the "COVID-19 Party" idea may be a very 'nonsmart' thing indeed and be a driver of health care costs down the road as well as today. Since it is shaping up there will be NO herd immunity associated with COVID-19 there is every reason to try and prevent ever being infected by the virus. Sadly the probability of protection from COVID-19 by vaccination is decreasing but at this point in time we are still in the dark and hopefully a light will appear at the end of the tunnel and that it will not be the light of an oncoming train.
Hong Kong did an awesome job of limiting the first wave of the virus yet this second wave news does not sound good for those of us where the first wave is still increasing.
Maybe it's all relative--I do work in NJ, where they report 200-300 new cases daily--but I wouldn't say 40 new cases is "roaring" back, as the graph suggests. I think they can tighten up restrictions without the hysteric language.
It is troubling that they can't explain the jump.
They are all selling something, so there's that. I suspect online stories are based on searches...so I wouldn't think they are necessarily good sources to read. So. Much. Drama.
I agree 100%! I want facts, let me interpret them and add my own emotions... I don’t want numbers spun to make me feel what you want me to feel.
A guy at my husband’s work is convinced this will disappear after the election. people actually think a WORLDWIDE pandemic is all because of OUR national election. I had heard about that theory circulating, but this is the first IRL example we have had.
Isn't it bizarre? To think all the governments, media, health organizations, epidemiologists, researchers, labs, doctors, hospital administrators, nurses, and morgues in the world are actively participating in this monumental hoax, absorbing the economic and psychological damage, all for one country's next election.
Virginia cases had plateaued for quite awhile but have started creeping back up again. Two nursing facilities had outbreaks. Supposedly as Northern VA has started to see decreased activity, increases are happening along the coast like in Virginia Beach, I'm sure due to vacation season opening up. Much like for the nation, where the numbers looked better than they were for awhile because the activity in NY decreasing offset the outbreaks starting in the south, the previous Virginia hotspots settling down had been offsetting the beach communities starting to see more cases.
All I know is I will continue to be a hermit as much as possible for the foreseeable future. My heart goes out to those who don't have a choice, I hope there are enough if us staying home to alleviate the environments where essential workers are required.
I think the COVERAGE (at least here in the USA) of the pandemic will change after the election. No matter which side you lean to (and not to get into politics specifically) it's a fact that the coverage of the pandemic is being politicized and used as a weapon against the "other" side. I imagine depending on the outcome of the election the coverage will change depending on who "wins" but it's naïve to think that politics aren't playing a HUGE factor into the types of coverage we are getting /shrug. At least, as I said, in the USA.
Population = 10 million
Number of tests completed = 708,000
Positive = 41,757
Rate of positives = 5.9% (same as it's been all along)
Percent of Deaths per positive cases = 3.4% (also about the same)
New Hospitalizations around 40 or fewer per day
Deaths averaging 4-6 per day
The hospitalizations and deaths are down to lower levels than in early days. There are a lot of reasons why this is so and of course it could rocket up at any time, but that is our reality here today.
I took this from the dashboard with lots of info from our DOH in Washington state:
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2020COVID19/DataDashboard
Probably no one here cares much about our little corner, but it's a hopeful sign to me.
I heard that a couple weeks ago at work. Sounds like a lot of people here follow that logic. They don't take precautions either because they don't even believe. This is why cases in my state are increasing so fast.
I care. My dd lives in Seattle. Thank you for sharing that info!!
It does sound bizarre and the thought all will be fine come 4 Nov 2020 comes from the inability to reason. If this is all being faked then perhaps they think the deceased COVID-19 patients are going to just reappear? Pro science I understand. Pro anti-science I understand but the lack of being rational boggles my mind.
The local Walmart (KY/USA) has an employee standing under a tent with two huge fans blowing from behind him which moves the air from those going into the store away from the employee. When I came out there was no one nearby so I asked him what was his instructions were over masks.
He said they were permitted to suggest wearing a mask per the governor's order but in no way were they to confront a customer with a demand to wear a mask to enter, shop and check out. KY does not want the expense to have police to walk along with the shoppers to physically force people to wear masks naturally plus not all shoppers are even required to wear a mask. The employee said he did not have the knowledge of who were exempt from the order so WM put in place the above mask enforcement policy to help prevent him from physical harm or even death. He and I agreed if people had breathing issues that exempted them from the mask order that it would be best if possible to have someone come shop on their behalf or let other staff pick the items and bring them out to the pick up location.
No, that's interesting.
My dad's county (Cowlitz) reported a jump in cases post 7/4, which is not great, but still are listing no deaths, so that's kind of amazing (it's reasonably rural). He seems to be behaving responsibly, for which I credit his wife.
Illinois (pop 12.65 m) has had 2,041,440 tests, 155,506 positives, and 7,218 deaths. The overall positive rate is 7.6%, but in recent weeks it's been about 2.6% (it was up at 25% during the worst of it). Apparently nearly 20% of Chicago's pop has been tested (although of course one can catch it soon thereafter, as you have noted). Recent uptick in cases among 20-somethings is a bit worrisome (especially as we are opening up in a variety of ways). Today about 700 new cases and 25 deaths (which is way better than our numbers at one point).
This, on the other hand, is encouraging, although I'm not getting my hopes up yet: https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-covid-19-vaccine-tests-20200714-zxn4u4q2tbfepczu5salzwerei-story.html
That's ridiculous. A store should have the right to have whatever policies they want for people entering. Seems like either a cop-out by WM or an overreach by the state. And no, you don't need to have police "walk along with the shoppers" to have the store (esp one with security, as I would imagine WM has) enforce their own rules about who can enter and check out.
Perhaps you are too removed from reality to have a valid opinion on the WM operations? WM stopped having security guards locally years ago perhaps for legal reasons. WM is enforcing their own rules about who can enter and check out.
Remember what happened to the store security guard who tried to enforce a mask rule back in May? Nobody unarmed, making $15/hr is going to put up much of an argument with someone who doesn't want to wear a mask. Based on history it unfortunately doesn't end well.
https://apnews.com/9e9eadf6757e8ad1551030dacf6b3e29