Coronavirus prep
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Diatonic12 wrote: »I can’t give out my gps coordinates. Six degrees of separation is more like one degree here.🌎 There is no help for anyone with co19. You will have to drive yourself to a neighboring state if you need to be admitted in for emergency care.
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baconslave wrote: »Ran into this story yesterday. https://www.newser.com/story/294058/hospital-must-turn-away-sickest-covid-patients.html
"The lone hospital in one Texas county is so swamped with coronavirus patients that it will start sending home patients who are deemed to be the most likely to die..."
This is what I'm afraid is going to happen here in Northeast TN if people don't stop with the mask-rebellion. It may already be too late. We're at over 80% capacity. There are over 2,000 tests backlogged in the state, per the TN Dept of Health, which means they can't contact trace those folk, I don't think. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Plus, Bristol had that race, which means all 20k-30k people came in and went to all the restaurants and stores before Walmart and others made the "no mask, no service." I expect we'll see the results of that soon. Will they send folk to other regions or do what the hospital in the article may decide to do?
Not encouraging.
This can happen here (NW Tennessee) too. My county has a mask mandate now. It applies to businesses inside and outside when within 6 feet of others. So far today, with Sat. errands:
Grocery store gas station (entirely outside) - Nobody wore a mask. I only was just outside my car and mostly was more than 6 feet or had a fuel pump between me and others until the employee came over to change the receipt paper roll while I was still standing there.
Car dealership for oil change/tire rotation: signs on door about mask requirement. This is required of businesses in accordance with the ordinance. Employees and customers mostly wearing masks, exception was 1 employee (but outside) and a couple of customers.
Gas station / convenience store - went in for drinks. No signs at door as required. I was the only person with a mask - even the employee didn't have a mask.
Laundromat - No signs at door as required. Employee / manager is here, but not wearing a mask. One other customer was wearing a mask besides me, she had out if state plates (TX, so not a nearby state). I live near the borders with MO, AR, and KY, but assume she is actually traveling. So... around a dozen people not wearing masks.
Clearly this mask ordinance is being ignored and basically considered a joke.14 -
Argh... why does a local church think it’s a good idea to let Upward Football go on this fall? I was really hoping it was going to be flat out canceled... it’s my oldest’s last year to play before he ages out, and normally we are super involved - my husband coaches multiple teams, refs the games he’s not coaching, I would help where needed. We already said it’s a hard NO for b-ball if they choose to have it (last year was awful for sickness with the kids, including possibly an early round with COVID... we were getting over it around the time it was entering the US’s radar... or at least making it’s way into the news). We’re not going to lie to the kids, and I think they will somewhat understand not playing, but my oldest is going to not be happy. I told my husband we’re looking at a year or two of decisions like this.12
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moonangel12 wrote: »Argh... why does a local church think it’s a good idea to let Upward Football go on this fall? I was really hoping it was going to be flat out canceled... it’s my oldest’s last year to play before he ages out, and normally we are super involved - my husband coaches multiple teams, refs the games he’s not coaching, I would help where needed. We already said it’s a hard NO for b-ball if they choose to have it (last year was awful for sickness with the kids, including possibly an early round with COVID... we were getting over it around the time it was entering the US’s radar... or at least making it’s way into the news). We’re not going to lie to the kids, and I think they will somewhat understand not playing, but my oldest is going to not be happy. I told my husband we’re looking at a year or two of decisions like this.
We were faced with a similar decision for Spring soccer. It was the last season my oldest son could play before he aged out. If they hadn't canceled it, we would have had to retract our sign-up and not played. I had to tell them they won't be playing soccer for a long time. All my kids had played soccer since they were 4. I'm really sad for them. The younger 2 will lose so many skills they may never end up playing again. It will be next summer minimum before we probably even think about playing again anyway.
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It's akin to asking someone to show their face. Some do and some don't or can't.
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I was a bit happier to see our governor is mandating masks, starting 8/1. I wish there was a way to actually enforce it.7
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Ok, so disincentives to testing, like cost or difficulty getting there or not meeting 'sick enough' criteria is going to lead to under reporting and obviously to more spread.
There are also such long waits for results in many cases that testing is useless for identifying presymptomatic cases and preventing spread (unless people are quarantining while waiting for results, and you could achieve the same results with a mandatory lockdown -- or even a partial lockdown by lottery -- without testing, and without being any more arbitrary).
I feel like the only thing large-scale testing is good for in areas that don't have the infrastructure to process results quickly is to collect public health data that can be used to inform decisions about closing or opening businesses, schools, etc., mandating masks, etc.
We have this going on in the Memphis area. Results taking up to 20 days to come back. Last I saw, positivity rate was nearly 20%. The labs have complained that they are not receiving shipments of needed supplies such as pipettes and can’t do tests without supplies. For that reason the health department has asked people not to test unless they are symptomatic or have a known exposure longer than 15 minutes. Previously we were testing anyone.
It’s clearly not possible to contact trace when test results take weeks.
Meanwhile, I got an email from race roster this morning saying that they will be starting actual, non-virtual races in August, in compliance with the loosening of rules for large gatherings. So that’s lunacy. They are making a good faith effort to social distance - sign up and sign in are online, you must remain in your vehicle until 15 minutes before the race, temperature check in to be allowed to enter, starting line is marked with 6 foot distance, no medals or shirts given at the race, you have to get immediately back into your car and leave when finished. Masks to be worn at all times, except while racing - they hand you one as you drive in, there will be a trash can to toss it in as you start, and they will hand you another at the finish, along with a bottle of water and a snack. And you should “try to remain six feet from other runners IN ALL DIRECTIONS” while racing, whatever that is supposed to mean at Shelby Farms where the paths are max six feet wide. It sounds to me like an excellent way to have zero percent of the fun of an actual race and a zillion times the risk profile of a virtual race, since you will be trotting along for half an hour with a group of unmasked, heavily breathing runners, and temp check is a joke since some studies have found most transmission happens before fever. If they can hand you a mask, isn’t that the exact same action as handing you a medal or a t-shirt? Or don’t masks and snacks carry cooties, only medals and shirts? How are you supposed to call it a race if you can’t pass anyone? What’s the point of a face to face race when you aren’t allowed to socialize before or after?9 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »@paperpudding The test was $250.00, the same price it was months ago. We don't have any free tests.
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This stinks bad enough as an adult, but I can’t imagine being a kid with all this mess going on (or my poor grandmother with dementia). My crew is handling it well, but there has been some disappointment along the way (this was going to be the summer for family travel and a birthday adventure year - experiences and day drive destinations instead of gifts... MLB game, trampoline park, caverns, family trip to Maine or FL, travel in general while we can).baconslave wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »Argh... why does a local church think it’s a good idea to let Upward Football go on this fall? I was really hoping it was going to be flat out canceled... it’s my oldest’s last year to play before he ages out, and normally we are super involved - my husband coaches multiple teams, refs the games he’s not coaching, I would help where needed. We already said it’s a hard NO for b-ball if they choose to have it (last year was awful for sickness with the kids, including possibly an early round with COVID... we were getting over it around the time it was entering the US’s radar... or at least making it’s way into the news). We’re not going to lie to the kids, and I think they will somewhat understand not playing, but my oldest is going to not be happy. I told my husband we’re looking at a year or two of decisions like this.
We were faced with a similar decision for Spring soccer. It was the last season my oldest son could play before he aged out. If they hadn't canceled it, we would have had to retract our sign-up and not played. I had to tell them they won't be playing soccer for a long time. All my kids had played soccer since they were 4. I'm really sad for them. The younger 2 will lose so many skills they may never end up playing again. It will be next summer minimum before we probably even think about playing again anyway.
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I was listening to a podcast for our local running store, owned by a medical doctor at the local hospital, and it was interesting to hear his thoughts on everything going on. As of now the October race that he directs is still on. He said there will be limited numbers and timing chips so that they can start in small batches. Instead of shirts they are doing buffs and people will have to wear them at the start. No aid stations to grab cups from, half and full marathon runners need to bring their own bottles and a volunteer will be manning the water stations to fill them (runner holds the bottle, volunteer touches the dispenser). The routes are on paved roads (5k/10k), national parks, and battlefields so I assume there will be ample spacing? I still am skeptical it will happen.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Ok, so disincentives to testing, like cost or difficulty getting there or not meeting 'sick enough' criteria is going to lead to under reporting and obviously to more spread.
There are also such long waits for results in many cases that testing is useless for identifying presymptomatic cases and preventing spread (unless people are quarantining while waiting for results, and you could achieve the same results with a mandatory lockdown -- or even a partial lockdown by lottery -- without testing, and without being any more arbitrary).
I feel like the only thing large-scale testing is good for in areas that don't have the infrastructure to process results quickly is to collect public health data that can be used to inform decisions about closing or opening businesses, schools, etc., mandating masks, etc.
We have this going on in the Memphis area. Results taking up to 20 days to come back. Last I saw, positivity rate was nearly 20%. The labs have complained that they are not receiving shipments of needed supplies such as pipettes and can’t do tests without supplies. For that reason the health department has asked people not to test unless they are symptomatic or have a known exposure longer than 15 minutes. Previously we were testing anyone.
It’s clearly not possible to contact trace when test results take weeks.
Meanwhile, I got an email from race roster this morning saying that they will be starting actual, non-virtual races in August, in compliance with the loosening of rules for large gatherings. So that’s lunacy. They are making a good faith effort to social distance - sign up and sign in are online, you must remain in your vehicle until 15 minutes before the race, temperature check in to be allowed to enter, starting line is marked with 6 foot distance, no medals or shirts given at the race, you have to get immediately back into your car and leave when finished. Masks to be worn at all times, except while racing - they hand you one as you drive in, there will be a trash can to toss it in as you start, and they will hand you another at the finish, along with a bottle of water and a snack. And you should “try to remain six feet from other runners IN ALL DIRECTIONS” while racing, whatever that is supposed to mean at Shelby Farms where the paths are max six feet wide. It sounds to me like an excellent way to have zero percent of the fun of an actual race and a zillion times the risk profile of a virtual race, since you will be trotting along for half an hour with a group of unmasked, heavily breathing runners, and temp check is a joke since some studies have found most transmission happens before fever. If they can hand you a mask, isn’t that the exact same action as handing you a medal or a t-shirt? Or don’t masks and snacks carry cooties, only medals and shirts? How are you supposed to call it a race if you can’t pass anyone? What’s the point of a face to face race when you aren’t allowed to socialize before or after?
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »@paperpudding The test was $250.00, the same price it was months ago. We don't have any free tests.
That is against federal law.
Only if you have insurance. The federal law requires insurance companies, Medicare, and Medicaid to cover the test. If you're uninsured, you'll get a bill.12 -
@cwolfman13 There's no tellin' where the money went. The money for testing proly went for road and bridge construction.
The money was so fine it was simply irresistible.
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »Ran into this story yesterday. https://www.newser.com/story/294058/hospital-must-turn-away-sickest-covid-patients.html
"The lone hospital in one Texas county is so swamped with coronavirus patients that it will start sending home patients who are deemed to be the most likely to die..."
This is what I'm afraid is going to happen here in Northeast TN if people don't stop with the mask-rebellion. It may already be too late. We're at over 80% capacity. There are over 2,000 tests backlogged in the state, per the TN Dept of Health, which means they can't contact trace those folk, I don't think. (Correct me if I'm wrong.) Plus, Bristol had that race, which means all 20k-30k people came in and went to all the restaurants and stores before Walmart and others made the "no mask, no service." I expect we'll see the results of that soon. Will they send folk to other regions or do what the hospital in the article may decide to do?
Not encouraging.
This can happen here (NW Tennessee) too. My county has a mask mandate now. It applies to businesses inside and outside when within 6 feet of others. So far today, with Sat. errands:
Grocery store gas station (entirely outside) - Nobody wore a mask. I only was just outside my car and mostly was more than 6 feet or had a fuel pump between me and others until the employee came over to change the receipt paper roll while I was still standing there.
Car dealership for oil change/tire rotation: signs on door about mask requirement. This is required of businesses in accordance with the ordinance. Employees and customers mostly wearing masks, exception was 1 employee (but outside) and a couple of customers.
Gas station / convenience store - went in for drinks. No signs at door as required. I was the only person with a mask - even the employee didn't have a mask.
Laundromat - No signs at door as required. Employee / manager is here, but not wearing a mask. One other customer was wearing a mask besides me, she had out if state plates (TX, so not a nearby state). I live near the borders with MO, AR, and KY, but assume she is actually traveling. So... around a dozen people not wearing masks.
Clearly this mask ordinance is being ignored and basically considered a joke.
Yep. Classic rural TN, sadly. Hubby said Kroger was 100% masks though, even though many weren't wearing them right (peekaboo nose syndrome.) I know Walmart and the other "no mask no service" businesses are the only ones in which people are wearing masks. They otherwise don't care about the "mandate." I didn't ask if Little Caesar's did though. It's been mixed in the past. Some locations do and some don't. That's the take-out hubby chose as it was the most "no-contact." Sometimes we do Burger King but they always have no employees or customers wearing masks so he opted for the lowest exposure. Domino's has always had masked employees since March.
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paperpudding wrote: »Ok, so disincentives to testing, like cost or difficulty getting there or not meeting 'sick enough' criteria is going to lead to under reporting and obviously to more spread.
Just to be clear, this varies a lot by state. Here anyone who wants can get tested, and it's free and there are tons of locations. We are currently testing around 40K per day.
Do you know how long results are taking? Here it's two to over seven days depending on if the tests are sent out of state.
Depends on the site. Some are overnight and some are a week, probably for the same reason as yours. I think you can check the stats for the site and it may depend on area of the state too (my area has had the most coronavirus, but we also probably have much more convenient and quicker testing).1 -
moonangel12 wrote: »
I was listening to a podcast for our local running store, owned by a medical doctor at the local hospital, and it was interesting to hear his thoughts on everything going on. As of now the October race that he directs is still on. He said there will be limited numbers and timing chips so that they can start in small batches. Instead of shirts they are doing buffs and people will have to wear them at the start. No aid stations to grab cups from, half and full marathon runners need to bring their own bottles and a volunteer will be manning the water stations to fill them (runner holds the bottle, volunteer touches the dispenser). The routes are on paved roads (5k/10k), national parks, and battlefields so I assume there will be ample spacing? I still am skeptical it will happen.rheddmobile wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Ok, so disincentives to testing, like cost or difficulty getting there or not meeting 'sick enough' criteria is going to lead to under reporting and obviously to more spread.
There are also such long waits for results in many cases that testing is useless for identifying presymptomatic cases and preventing spread (unless people are quarantining while waiting for results, and you could achieve the same results with a mandatory lockdown -- or even a partial lockdown by lottery -- without testing, and without being any more arbitrary).
I feel like the only thing large-scale testing is good for in areas that don't have the infrastructure to process results quickly is to collect public health data that can be used to inform decisions about closing or opening businesses, schools, etc., mandating masks, etc.
We have this going on in the Memphis area. Results taking up to 20 days to come back. Last I saw, positivity rate was nearly 20%. The labs have complained that they are not receiving shipments of needed supplies such as pipettes and can’t do tests without supplies. For that reason the health department has asked people not to test unless they are symptomatic or have a known exposure longer than 15 minutes. Previously we were testing anyone.
It’s clearly not possible to contact trace when test results take weeks.
Meanwhile, I got an email from race roster this morning saying that they will be starting actual, non-virtual races in August, in compliance with the loosening of rules for large gatherings. So that’s lunacy. They are making a good faith effort to social distance - sign up and sign in are online, you must remain in your vehicle until 15 minutes before the race, temperature check in to be allowed to enter, starting line is marked with 6 foot distance, no medals or shirts given at the race, you have to get immediately back into your car and leave when finished. Masks to be worn at all times, except while racing - they hand you one as you drive in, there will be a trash can to toss it in as you start, and they will hand you another at the finish, along with a bottle of water and a snack. And you should “try to remain six feet from other runners IN ALL DIRECTIONS” while racing, whatever that is supposed to mean at Shelby Farms where the paths are max six feet wide. It sounds to me like an excellent way to have zero percent of the fun of an actual race and a zillion times the risk profile of a virtual race, since you will be trotting along for half an hour with a group of unmasked, heavily breathing runners, and temp check is a joke since some studies have found most transmission happens before fever. If they can hand you a mask, isn’t that the exact same action as handing you a medal or a t-shirt? Or don’t masks and snacks carry cooties, only medals and shirts? How are you supposed to call it a race if you can’t pass anyone? What’s the point of a face to face race when you aren’t allowed to socialize before or after?
Skepticism is warranted. Every race, from 5k’s to marathons have been cancelled since March, or have gone virtual, here (MN). Every major marathon scheduled in the US, has been cancelled, for the summer/fall. Experts have deemed them as impossible to continue safely, and rightly so. How do they intend to keep runners social distancing? Who’s going to police the runners, and what are the consequences for getting in someone else’s space. Is the risk worth it?4 -
paperpudding wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »@paperpudding The test was $250.00, the same price it was months ago. We don't have any free tests.
Could you clarify where you are please - as this seems to be varying within states of US ?? - if I have understood posters replies correctly
Doesnt take a genius to figure you are going to be under reporting of true state of affairs (and therefore not reducing spread) if individuals have to pay $250 to get tested
I know all countries systems are different - but I just find that situation so hard to get my head around.
Here, anyone with insisest symptom or remotest contact history can get tested, you just get a referral from your doctor.
The doctors surgery I work at - patient would get a phone consult with Dr the same day as anyone with any undiagnosed cold/flu symptoms not allowed on the premises (doesnt have to be their regular doctor any of the practice doctors can organise it), the form gets faxed to the drive thru Covid testing clinic at the local hospital, the patient drives or gets taken there, swab gets done, patient self isolates till next day, rings Dr, results are back.
Cost to patient_ Nil.
Location_ regional South Australia.
I'm in IL, where there has been a huge effort from the beginning to get testing up to par (we had a bad outbreak in Cook Co and especially Chicago, where I am, starting pretty early on). For various reasons it took a while, which is why early cases in the US in general were way underreported and we couldn't manage any contact tracing. I heard someone from Australia interviewed on a podcast, and am totally jealous. One thing that could have helped here is shutting borders between states (with enforced quarantine), but it's not really feasible here and we never had a coordinated federal response. We also should have stopped all flights but for returning Americans and made them quarantine earlier, but I am less bothered by that since I think it was community spread in much of the more urban Northeast and Chicago and likely Detroit and New Orleans before that was understood to be necessary.
At first, testing was limited because we did not have enough tests, so it was for people with serious symptoms, known exposure, and gradually (like April) became available for those with minor symptoms/dr's referral, and for a while has been available for anyone (with people who engaged in high risk activities, including protesting, being urged to test). It's also free -- covered by insurance if you have it (here before it was federal law, I believe) and free if you don't have it. Our current tests are at about 40K+ per day, as I said. Our numbers are okay (not great but way better than during the worst of it, despite a lot more testing) and we have been slowly opening up with some setbacks. Still seems like it's going to go on forever, and I'm so frustrated with people being reckless, although it sounds like it's less bad around me than in much of the country.
Diatonic (based on her posts) seems to be in a western, not densely populated state, which probably does not have as much in the way of medical resources as my very urban area does, and also probably has not had a lot of cases by comparison. The US has such a variation of areas and one mistake we probably made (due to the inability to cut off travel between states) is having a one-size-fits-all initial approach with stay at home orders all over. I think people in areas that did not get hit hard found that a huge overreaction and it made them cynical (there has been political messaging that encouraged that, and it's not irrelevant that here rural and urban areas tend to be quite different politically), and yet there was enough of a shutdown that by the time the virus started hitting them they were as tired of it (and suffering all the fatigue effects) as those of us who were hit harder early on. It's not surprising that the best reports I've heard of people complying are from NYC and the vicinity, which really saw the results of the virus spreading with abandon. Here too, there's some of that, and so local pressure in some areas to be compliant and stores and buildings being decent at enforcing it (in the areas I've been in), as a result of us being among the hardest hit (because international travel center and density and public transit usage, I believe, as well as also some effect of poverty in some areas, probably). I don't think it's smart, but I do get why people in many other areas of the US who have had few cases think it's not a problem for them.5 -
I am posting this to bring some joy and faith in humanity. One voice coming from thousands of singers across the globe. Hope, faith, and like somebody posted no color, no race, no gender, just people and love. Enjoy.
Here's the YouTube link to "Sing Gently" - 3 minutes of song, 7 minutes of credits.
17,572 singers from 129 countries.
https://youtu.be/InULYfJHKI0 9 -
There was a really interesting article in the Economist that suggests Covid might have been around SE Asia for quite some time with populations in Vietnam, Laos and Myanmar already having herd immunity. These countries were barely affected despite bordering China. Also these three countries have large diverse bat populations which are known to carry a wide range of corona viruses that do no harm to themselves. This would suggest exposure to one corona offers protection from different corona viruses. Also they mention that protection seems to come from T-cells (your own body killing off infected cells) rather than antibodies (gumming up the pathogen itself).
https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/07/22/the-hunt-for-the-origins-of-sars-cov-2-will-look-beyond-china8 -
COVID-19 false negative test results if used too early
Date:
June 10, 2020
Source:
Johns Hopkins Medicine
Summary:
Researchers found that testing people for SARS-CoV-2 -- the virus that causes COVID-19 -- too early in the course of infection is likely to result in a false negative test, even though they may eventually test positive for the virus.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200610094112.htm
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Diatonic12 wrote: »COVID-19 false negative test results if used too early
Date:
June 10, 2020
Source:
Johns Hopkins Medicine
Summary:
Researchers found that testing people for SARS-CoV-2 -- the virus that causes COVID-19 -- too early in the course of infection is likely to result in a false negative test, even though they may eventually test positive for the virus.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/06/200610094112.htm
We've known this for a while. Because of the way the virus is handled here (Jordan) quarantined people are tested at least 3 times. 99% of the cases in the past couple of months were returning citizens in quarantine sites so it's a closed environment with predictable results. Everyone is quarantined for 2 weeks, then an additional 2 weeks of home quarantine. They're tested when they first arrive, then they're tested a second a few days later and a third time before they leave mandatory quarantine. We had cases of people testing positive as soon as they arrived and others who tested positive only later. In one case it took 17 days for the test to show positive despite all 3 tests in quarantine being negative. He felt a little under the weather when he was home quarantining and contacted them for a fourth test.7 -
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Yep. Classic rural TN, sadly. Hubby said Kroger was 100% masks though, even though many weren't wearing them right (peekaboo nose syndrome.) I know Walmart and the other "no mask no service" businesses are the only ones in which people are wearing masks. They otherwise don't care about the "mandate." I didn't ask if Little Caesar's did though. It's been mixed in the past. Some locations do and some don't. That's the take-out hubby chose as it was the most "no-contact." Sometimes we do Burger King but they always have no employees or customers wearing masks so he opted for the lowest exposure. Domino's has always had masked employees since March.
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Our local Burger King has “no contact” service, meaning you put your money on a tray, they put your change and food on the same tray for you to pick up. They all wear masks and gloves. They have a sign on the door and on the windows that says something like, “If you have any symptoms of Covid-19, please don’t come in our dining room.” It’s worded politely, but it’s also VERY clear.5 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »
Our local Burger King has “no contact” service, meaning you put your money on a tray, they put your change and food on the same tray for you to pick up. They all wear masks and gloves. They have a sign on the door and on the windows that says something like, “If you have any symptoms of Covid-19, please don’t come in our dining room.” It’s worded politely, but it’s also VERY clear.
I've found here in Central VA fast food (both chain and local) is doing an excellent job. At the drive thru of KFC, TacoBell, and Wendy's here they do the tray thing and are always wearing masks. The local bagel place is all drive thru, no cash. They actually have employees outside wearing masks and gloves with a card reader taking orders.
The big box stores around here don't seem to be policing masks, but all employees are masked, signs are up, sanitizer provided. And I'd say 90% of customers at least are complying. The exception is Food Lion, they have made no changes, no signage, some employees w/o masks, and more customers taking no precautions. It's the most convenient store to me, so I do still sometimes go there, but I'm more mindful of getting out asap!
Cases are creeping back up in Virginia. It's unfortunately partially due to nursing home outbreaks, but the beach towns are starting to come into play as people take their postponed vacas to the coast. God forbid you should go without your beach trip one year 6 -
I went to Memphis today - used to go around once per month or more and haven't since everything shut down. @rheddmobile and @gradchica27 maybe have more frequent insight, but on my one visit in a long time, I was pleased to see most people actually wearing masks in stores there and most were even wearing them properly. There were a few peekaboo noses, but far better compliance than where I live (about 80 miles north).
I ran a lot of miles and even saw a lot of people wearing masks outside when walking. I admit I wasn't wearing a mask when running either, because it was enough of a struggle already and when it is hot and humid, it does seem to make a difference when running as the mask gets soggy. I feel like I'm very out of shape, but that is another topic altogether. Anyway, while the park was pretty packed, I wasn't near people for more than a second if we even got within 6 feet because we were all moving.
Anyway, I also went for lunch at a buffet in what I would call a suburb of Memphis. They required masks when not sitting at the table eating. When we got up to go to the buffet, there were lines and we had to wait for the next available employee. They would grab a plate, go with me to get whatever food I wanted, and put it on the plate. When it was full, they handed the plate to me and we went to eat. I think the idea is to avoid everyone touching the serving spoons and stuff. The employees had masks and gloves. It wasn't terribly busy most of the time and I never really had to wait long for someone to help me. I was pleased to see that, when there was 1 employee in the buffet area and I came up to the empty line, the guy started helping me, but then stopped at one point as he noticed someone else walk into the buffet area without a mask. Drink were self-serve, and I think the desserts were self-serve (I didn't eat and didn't even ask, but they are individually platted). This guy had come over to the dessert area. The employee stopped helping me, went over, and reminded that customer to put his mask on, then came back over to finish plating mine. I am sure this would irritate some people, but I was glad to see that.
Anyway, today was a higher risk day, but it was refreshing to get a bit more outside of my immediate area for once.8 -
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corinasue1143 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for posting this. My friend who had corona only talks about the fatigue and fever. I wasn’t aware of the other lingering symptoms.
I have had a little more dizziness and fatigue (I have cfs) than usual this spring. I feel like I just can’t get over allergies.
I Went to the Dr. this spring for a sinus Infection for the first time in maybe 30 years. I have lots more stomach problems than
Usual. No nausea, vomiting or fever (my temperature is running 97.? As opposed to normal 99.0.
Makes me suspect even more that I had Corona early.
@corinasue1143
You are welcome!!
Back on page 302 I posted some links of interest few weeks ago. At the bottom of this post is one of them explaining how COVID-19 affected Richard Quest. He is not the only one feeling the "leftovers" of the virus. Many people on line (and I am sure on FB too but I am not a member), have posted about the side effects of the infection. And those older folks that had survived hospitalization and ventilators may need to go to a rehab place or have a lot of care at home. Younger and healthy ones are not excluded either. This virus doesn't discriminate at all.
I get very angry at "people" saying that it is only a sniffle for younger people and that they will be good in a day or two if they are infected. That level of ignorance is pathetic, callous, and very damaging.
I got Covid-19 two months ago. I'm still discovering new areas of damage -- Richard Quest
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html
Well, there’s another symptom. My kitchen has been a real mess the last few months. I spill a lot more and am too tired to clean. I also make a mess when I clean, spill the mop water, etc. I’m stumbling and falling a bit more than usual, but blamed that on post-shingles pain being worse the last few months than the last few years. Maybe it’s corona. Who knows?
Also read somewhere that many people’s hair falls out. I have been cleaning my hair brush more often because of all the hair in it. I didn’t worry about it, just noticed. I have lots of hair.
How do you know if it’s corona or just life?
Maybe when they get a new test perfected to see if you’ve had it or not, I’ll take that test?
@corinasue1143 I have a lot of those symptoms when my anemia gets out of control. In my case the fix isn't so simple because of my uterine fibroids and crazy blood loss, but when I was younger and for many people iron deficiency is easy to fix. Have you had your iron levels tested recently?1 -
Diatonic12 wrote: »I can’t give out my gps coordinates. Six degrees of separation is more like one degree here.🌎 There is no help for anyone with co19. You will have to drive yourself to a neighboring state if you need to be admitted in for emergency care.
I think she just wanted a general location
You're in Alaska, right?1 -
SuzySunshine99 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »@paperpudding The test was $250.00, the same price it was months ago. We don't have any free tests.
That is against federal law.
Only if you have insurance. The federal law requires insurance companies, Medicare, and Medicaid to cover the test. If you're uninsured, you'll get a bill.
Here are ways for the uninsured to get help (but I realize it may not help people in locations where resources are few and far between, like Alaska):
https://khn.org/news/bill-of-the-month-covid19-tests-are-free-except-when-theyre-not/
...Uninsured consumers may be able to get a free COVID-19 test several ways, Pollitz said. One way is to visit an outpatient testing area at a facility that received relief funding — the law bars the provider from balance-billing patients for care related to the coronavirus.
Another option is through Medicaid. States may now use the government health insurance program for the poor and disabled to cover the cost of testing uninsured residents who qualify.
A third way consumers could receive a free COVID-19 test is through the National Disaster Medical System. That network of health care providers — generally activated in response to an emergency — treats patients and then charges the federal government for their services, said Pollitz. However, she acknowledged, it may be difficult to find a provider who participates in the program.0 -
I'd be curious about the statistics of people that wore masks versus didn't wear masks, of the ones who've contracted Covid. I'd imagine it's almost impossible to know.
I can't answer that exact question, but here in "Mask-achusetts," we've done a great job flattening our curve until just recently, where I unfortunately see we are on a bit of an uptick.
I heard a story about 5 reporters observing mask usage in different parts of the state - seems like there is less compliance at "fun" places.
I only go to medical appointments, the grocery store, and Home Depot, and have seen close to 100% compliance there.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I'd be curious about the statistics of people that wore masks versus didn't wear masks, of the ones who've contracted Covid. I'd imagine it's almost impossible to know.
I can't answer that exact question, but here in "Mask-achusetts," we've done a great job flattening our curve until just recently, where I unfortunately see we are on a bit of an uptick.
I heard a story about 5 reporters observing mask usage in different parts of the state - seems like there is less compliance at "fun" places.
I only go to medical appointments, the grocery store, and Home Depot, and have seen close to 100% compliance there.
I wonder to what extent "fun" places over-select for people who are less cautious generally. The more cautious people I know are staying away from most optional activities, sometimes with a very strict definition of optional vs. necessary, while the less cautious people I know are doing everything the law allows (and more, in some cases).7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Diatonic12 wrote: »I can’t give out my gps coordinates. Six degrees of separation is more like one degree here.🌎 There is no help for anyone with co19. You will have to drive yourself to a neighboring state if you need to be admitted in for emergency care.
I think she just wanted a general location
You're in Alaska, right?
There are no neighboring states in Alaska...That's why my guess is Wyoming.2
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