Coronavirus prep
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
Short story: rural SW Iowa county has people who test positive and then refuse to quarantine. They were talking about if they should do something like issue a citation. At this point they decided that no, they are not going to do anything when a person who tests positive refuses to self-quarantine.
There are huge fines for that in Canada, under the Quarantine Act, which was put into effect some time in March or April.
A woman I know returned from travel outside the country (mandatory 14 day self-isolation) and was warned of fines up to $1 million if she didn't comply. That's not even someone who's tested positive. You're probably subject to detention if you're actually positive and not quarantining.
It sounds like the law in Iowa allows for those people to be fined (I'm sure it isn't anywhere close to $1 million), but they are just deciding not to do anything anyway.0 -
Am I hearing right, Masks are being supported from the top. Best wishes to everyone.1
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »
Short story: rural SW Iowa county has people who test positive and then refuse to quarantine. They were talking about if they should do something like issue a citation. At this point they decided that no, they are not going to do anything when a person who tests positive refuses to self-quarantine.
There are huge fines for that in Canada, under the Quarantine Act, which was put into effect some time in March or April.
A woman I know returned from travel outside the country (mandatory 14 day self-isolation) and was warned of fines up to $1 million if she didn't comply. That's not even someone who's tested positive. You're probably subject to detention if you're actually positive and not quarantining.
It sounds like the law in Iowa allows for those people to be fined (I'm sure it isn't anywhere close to $1 million), but they are just deciding not to do anything anyway.
I have heard of people being fined in other provinces for violating the 14 day self-isolation upon entering the country, although I don't think it was anywhere near the maximum amount. At least it's being enforced to some extent.1 -
Happy to say the postal package delivery man had on a very good mask today for delivery of our mail order. So at least the government mail service people are complying.
Our area has been deemed a red zone for the very first time. Cases rising here due to tourists on holiday coming into our previously low case area. 7 -
I guess I'll start with the positive. The Federal Govt. is now onboard with masks and are creating a strategy to fight Covid-19 according to the press conference yesterday. 7 months overdue, but a start.
The bad news is I'm hearing many, many people I know talk about testing like it's some conspiracy. Stories of second and 3rd hand of people that didn't go to a test site, yet tested positive. All I can think of is there was an administrative error somewhere and now the nut jobs are latching onto that as it's all a conspiracy. People dying daily. People that have said it's all a "hoax" on FB dying.
The irrational ways people that once thought it was all a hoax stuns me. It's like they are more concerned with finding any opening to prove that their actions/thoughts/comments on social media or to their friends were right and less concerned that people all around them are dying.
A friend of mine (a woman I graduated with from high school) went to a friends house yesterday. The friend was upset and had forgotten to cancel. The friend's granddaughter just died of Covid-19. She wasn't a young girl, she was 40 (she just told us that this morning). This is an area of the US that completely thought it was all a media hoax. It's just a horrible, horrible disease. Now I don't know if the woman had preexisting conditions but any loss of younger life is unimaginable. And I can guarantee that woman's parents and grandparents don't care right now if there's been an administrative error in one or two test sites in the US that lead to a false positive.11 -
@MikePfirrman Remember how we reacted in the beginning. Wiping down doorknobs, banisters, countertops, tables, faucets, bathrooms, floors and throwing our mail into a corner until enough hours passed. We were vigilant every single day. Places of business, ditto. It's human nature to let things start to slip when you're worn out. It's battle fatigue. Online shopping no longer makes us happy but we have to keep climbing the mountain.
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Happy to say the postal package delivery man had on a very good mask today for delivery of our mail order. So at least the government mail service people are complying. Our area has been deemed a red zone for the very first time. Cases rising here due to tourists on holiday coming into our previously low case area.
KY is cutting max crowd size from 50 to 10 I heard yesterday. Our county got off to a slow start but has doubled in the number of positive cases in the last 30 days after testing stopped being free.4 -
@Theoldguy1 -- Nearly all of these stories are anecdotal. It's not that I don't think some mistakes have been made, but when it took 5 months to start emphasizing testing at the scale that we needed it 7 months ago, it's not surprising to me, at all, it's a major cluster fart. Administrative mistakes will be made. Remember, there was no Federal coordination for many, many months -- it was all on the states and local authorities and private business.
The Feds have pitched in now but it's all catch up at this stage and dysfunctional at best. I also think there's a very deliberate movement (a political one) in the US right now to spread misinformation to make it seem as if Covid-19 is way overblown. It's not.6 -
rheddmobile wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
From someone who got sick in 8th grade and essentially never got better, I agree 100%Thanks for all the dentist replies. I felt cheated out of the full cleaning; you know how when you're done your teeth always feel so good? It wasn't happening this time. 
But I'm glad to read some places aren't doing the polishing so I know mine isn't the only one. I've always had the utmost faith in my dentist so I was feeling a bit disheartened.
On another note, I am so sick of hearing/reading people's disbelief that this is anything to worry about. A post I read this a.m., on another forum, said 'sickness and death are a part of life'. Well yeh, but I'm not jumping off a cliff anytime soon either. Grrrr. There are simply too many people out and about who still feel that way. And it seems people aren't going to learn until they're personally affected.
The thing that's crazy is there seems to be some evidence that even those who get mild cases can have unexpected long term damage, like lung scarring, thickened blood, reduced kidney function. This idea some people have that it's no big deal if healthy people get it is premature. Especially in the US where insurance companies could consider a positive covid test as a pre-existing condition.
There are several "syndromes" related to viruses that are essentially unexplained life-long health issues that set in after someone successfully fights off the virus (like post-polio syndrome). One theory about Chronic Fatigue is that it is a post-virus syndrome of some kind. There are already cases in other countries where tracing and follow up are rigorous of younger people who had mild covid cases still struggling with fatigue months later and turning up to have lung scarring.
So ummmm, that's my uplifting post for the day
I wish dealing with the hard truth was the rule here in the US though, I think we'd be in a better spot if everyone was aware and dealing appropriately. What started out as possibly mono (although I tested positive for it the next year) turned into weeks out of school, specialist after specialist, neuro and immune problems I still battle 20+ years later (between the ages of 14 and 17 I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, fibro, auto immune thyroid issues, ADHD, asthma, and others... things I did not have issues with at all prior to whatever virus attacked my body and my brain.)
I was strong and healthy, until I wasn’t. I went from easy A’s to struggling to make C’s. I couldn’t sleep at night, at all, for nearly 6 months, but couldn’t stay awake during the day. My near photographic memory was gone, replaced with fog and blur. It was awful. I have misty gotten used to it, but I still remember what life was like before hand and long to be “normal” but know it likely will never happen.
I don’t doubt that this could carry long term effects for some people while for others they come through unscathed.
Hey, me too! Except I was in college when I got mono. It took ten years but eventually I was diagnosed with “lupus-like syndrome,” which is a bucket category for autoimmune disease, not quite like any other. Apparently mono triggers it for a subset of people. In my case the primary symptom is vasculitis.
Pro tip, just in case anyone reading this is struggling to get a diagnosis for years of seemingly unrelated conditions. Ask for a sed rate test. It’s inexpensive and although it isn’t specific enough for a diagnosis, if it’s abnormal it will force the doctors to admit that it’s not all in your head.
Yeah. I too can divide my life into "Before Mono" and "After Mono." The chronic fatigue was real, and I gained 100lb in a year. Years later, I developed symptoms of Sjogren's. I had abnormal ANA but nothing else, but based on the saliva test and the damage on my cornea from the dry eye, even though I'm seronegative, they can't say I'm crazy. Even more intermittent fatigue and intermittent joint pain...yay! But Sjogren's is not really treatable other than to manage symptoms. You can experiment on certain meds that may or may not work and take a minimum of 5 or 6 months to show whether or not it will work. On that path lies bankruptcy.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I guess I'll start with the positive. The Federal Govt. is now onboard with masks and are creating a strategy to fight Covid-19 according to the press conference yesterday. 7 months overdue, but a start.
The bad news is I'm hearing many, many people I know talk about testing like it's some conspiracy. Stories of second and 3rd hand of people that didn't go to a test site, yet tested positive. All I can think of is there was an administrative error somewhere and now the nut jobs are latching onto that as it's all a conspiracy. People dying daily. People that have said it's all a "hoax" on FB dying.
The irrational ways people that once thought it was all a hoax stuns me. It's like they are more concerned with finding any opening to prove that their actions/thoughts/comments on social media or to their friends were right and less concerned that people all around them are dying.
A friend of mine (a woman I graduated with from high school) went to a friends house yesterday. The friend was upset and had forgotten to cancel. The friend's granddaughter just died of Covid-19. She wasn't a young girl, she was 40 (she just told us that this morning). This is an area of the US that completely thought it was all a media hoax. It's just a horrible, horrible disease. Now I don't know if the woman had preexisting conditions but any loss of younger life is unimaginable. And I can guarantee that woman's parents and grandparents don't care right now if there's been an administrative error in one or two test sites in the US that lead to a false positive.
One of.my wife's friends signed up for a test and got in line. She had something come up, had to skip the test and never went back.
A few days later her "test results" came back positive.
I know there are a lot of conspiracy theories out there and the virus is real.
But when a perfectly normal, educated person reports testing errors it does give concern if we really know what we're fighting
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MikePfirrman wrote: »@Theoldguy1 -- Nearly all of these stories are anecdotal. It's not that I don't think some mistakes have been made, but when it took 5 months to start emphasizing testing at the scale that we needed it 7 months ago, it's not surprising to me, at all, it's a major cluster fart. Administrative mistakes will be made. Remember, there was no Federal coordination for many, many months -- it was all on the states and local authorities and private business.
The Feds have pitched in now but it's all catch up at this stage and dysfunctional at best. I also think there's a very deliberate movement (a political one) in the US right now to spread misinformation to make it seem as if Covid-19 is way overblown. It's not.
I have seen that claim all over FB comments on local news pages by different people. Some of them I've pegged as the regulars that always show up saying the same kinds of "conspiracy" things, spreading rumors.
It's always some kind of friend's husband's friend or uncle's friend's cousin.
So this needs to be investigated for a number of reasons. Some of which are putting the rumor to bed or uncovering actual incompetence that needs corrected.7 -
@baconslave Before and After Mono. I had it in high school and it took about 5 years before my joints quit hurting so bad. It did change everything. These days, you don't hear about it much. Where did it go and what took it away.
If we could only send 'Rona down that same road sooner rather than later. 2 -
Wow! I have never, in all these years, met anyone else who had an even remotely similar experience!
I was actually tested for mono again a year or two ago... my brain spazzed at the thought of going through it again and potentially triggering worse long term issues. Thankfully it was “just a virus” of unknown origins.2 -
Would you consider starting a thread where we can share tips.
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Would these statements make any difference to some people? I hope so
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/22/entertainment/anna-camp-coronavirus/index.html
Hi friends... I felt it was my responsibility to share that I ended up getting Covid-19. I have since tested negative, but I was extremely sick for over three weeks and still have lingering symptoms. I was incredibly safe. I wore a mask. I used hand sanitizer. One time, when the world was starting to open up, I decided to forgo wearing my mask in public. One. Time. And I ended up getting it. I believe it may have been because of that one time.
People are saying it’s like having the flu, but I’ve had the flu, and this is absolutely not that. The panic of contracting a virus that is basically untreatable and is so new that no one knows the long term irreparable damage it does to your immune system is unbelievably stressful. Completely losing my sense of smell and taste without knowing when or even if they will return is extremely disorienting.
I’m only smelling about 30 percent of how I used to now. Other persistent symptoms are (a month later) dizziness, extreme fatigue, impacted sinuses, upset stomach, nausea, vomiting, and fever. I’m lucky. Because I didn’t die. But people are.
Please wear ur mask. It can happen any time. And it can happen to anyone. Even that one time you feel safe. We can all make a difference. Wearing a mask is saving lives.
Thank you to everyone who reached out to check on me during this scary time. Please be safe out there. Let’s all do our part and wear a mask. I don’t want any of you to go through what I did. Even though it’s a little thing, it can have a huge impact, and it’s so incredibly easy to do❤️6 -
Thanks for posting this. My friend who had corona only talks about the fatigue and fever. I wasn’t aware of the other lingering symptoms.
I have had a little more dizziness and fatigue (I have cfs) than usual this spring. I feel like I just can’t get over allergies.
I Went to the Dr. this spring for a sinus Infection for the first time in maybe 30 years. I have lots more stomach problems than
Usual. No nausea, vomiting or fever (my temperature is running 97.? As opposed to normal 99.0.
Makes me suspect even more that I had Corona early.2 -
Started a Post Mono Life thread in General Health, Fitness, and Diet (I opt out of Chit Chat, plus I felt it fit because heath, fitness, and diet all play an integral role in the discussion IMO).Diatonic12 wrote: »Would you consider starting a thread where we can share tips.
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Local health dept is now discouraging people from getting tested unless they “feel sick” or have been exposed to someone with Covid bc testing is backlogged.
Fine, but what is “feeling sick”? The more I read (too much, probably) the more people I see testing positive with vague symptoms (so not the “big three” cough/fever/shortness of breath). At this point I would assume I had Covid if I had fever, cough, shortness of breath. What I would have questions about (and therefore want a test) would be something like sore throat, sinus pressure, etc...the stuff you can easily attribute to allergies or a cold.
So this seems to me like it would discourage the asymptomatic/presymptomatic/mildly symptomatic people from getting tested—so the people who would likely continue about their normal business and come into contact with others.
Which leads me to another problem I’m seeing with reopening, esp for schools. What is “sick”? At what point do you trigger an automatic Covid test/quarantine? I’ve had my son sent home from preschool bc he had green snot. The kid has snot from Aug through January. And again from March onward. So do I. Sometimes there’s a brief break bt spring allergies and summer grass pollen. Sometimes not. We’re allergic to SW TN. I had to bring him to the dr and actually say the reason I’m there is “he has green boogers” after having a faucet of snot for months. No other symptoms. Surprise, dr diagnosed allergies.
So what will happen this year? If snot and/or sore throat/sinus issues are a red flag, I’m never going to leave the house. I’ve had sinus pressure and post nasal drip for about 5 weeks, with intermittent sore throat from post nasal drip (we had spring this year, so I had a 3 week break bt spring and summer allergies!). Since I have no fever, a history of ever widening environmental allergies (every year since I moved to this allergen-ridden place it seems like there’s a new demon weed that causes me problems, so I have a solid 4-6 weeks in the dead of winter when I don’t have at least a mild sinus headache and post nasal drip), and no other symptoms have appeared, despite my obsessive temperature/pulse ox checking, so I’m assuming this is the usual allergies.
But...can’t be sure. My kids have snot too. I’ve kept them home for two weeks...but when can you ever be even reasonably sure it’s not Covid and just a cold/allergies? I’m not sure where I’m going with this, just musing that opening schools and offices is fraught with difficulties when testing is not readily available (or backlogged so much it takes a week or more to get your results).
I want to be responsible, and it’s somewhat easy for me to be overly cautious (homeschooling, no outside job), but do I lock us down for 2 weeks at every runny nose or scratchy throat?12 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for posting this. My friend who had corona only talks about the fatigue and fever. I wasn’t aware of the other lingering symptoms.
I have had a little more dizziness and fatigue (I have cfs) than usual this spring. I feel like I just can’t get over allergies.
I Went to the Dr. this spring for a sinus Infection for the first time in maybe 30 years. I have lots more stomach problems than
Usual. No nausea, vomiting or fever (my temperature is running 97.? As opposed to normal 99.0.
Makes me suspect even more that I had Corona early.
@corinasue1143
You are welcome!!
Back on page 302 I posted some links of interest few weeks ago. At the bottom of this post is one of them explaining how COVID-19 affected Richard Quest. He is not the only one feeling the "leftovers" of the virus. Many people on line (and I am sure on FB too but I am not a member), have posted about the side effects of the infection. And those older folks that had survived hospitalization and ventilators may need to go to a rehab place or have a lot of care at home. Younger and healthy ones are not excluded either. This virus doesn't discriminate at all.
I get very angry at "people" saying that it is only a sniffle for younger people and that they will be good in a day or two if they are infected. That level of ignorance is pathetic, callous, and very damaging.
I got Covid-19 two months ago. I'm still discovering new areas of damage -- Richard Quest
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html
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Interesting! I have been tested for lupus SO MANY TIMES! I will definitely look into the testing. I am sure my parents had to go to bat for me, because in so many ways I looked perfectly “fine” to the medical professionals... and so many times tests come back normal so there must not be anything wrong (my thyroid is tricky because it fluctuates up and down so it all depends on when the blood is drawn, and normally it is hovering at the high and low ends of normal, but the shifting is what throws me off. I could go from a jittery, shaky mess for anywhere from a day to weeks, then crash into fatigue and exhaustion).
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Have you been tested for Hashimoto's thyroiditis? Your description above sounds like the symptoms of this autoimmune disease.
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Blood donors are getting the antibody test here in the U.S. I gave blood on Sun. and have the result. Apparently I do not have Covid antibodies. This is not a huge surprise, but I was curious.10
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Covid 19 is bigger than just some flu that a small number die from and everybody else just "recovers." This crap lingers. I'm young and fit and I worry about the long term effects for those who don't die, even healthy young people...
Back in the early days of this thing I had about a week where I was getting hot flashes (without actual fever), randomly waking up in the middle of the night gasping for air, had a constant low grade headache (when I literally never get them) and everything tasted like dirt (wrecked my appetite). At the time, they wouldn't test without a fever, so I was not eligible to test.
It really wasn't that bad of a sickness for me personally. I'd say it was a very, very mild case. It was just stressful because of the whole pandemic and wondering if I had it or not, and whether it was gonna take one of those scary turns for the worse. But it didn't.
Not much suffering at the time, but the lingering after effects have worsened over time. I was good for awhile, but then a few weeks out, lung symptoms started ramping up. It's 4+ months later and I've just been prescribed 2 inhalers because now I have a chronic cough, and pain from chest cartilage inflammation. Gotta get my lungs calmed down - inhalers will hopefully only be temporary. My doctor thinks I probably had covid, but it's been so long that an antibody test likely wouldn't show it anymore.
I'm a healthy, fit life-long runner and mountain biker and I've still been able to exercise throughout all of this, but my pace has been slowed way down, my endurance is lower, and I take more rest days now. Sometimes it feels like part of my lungs are missing. And the random shortness of breath is so bizarre and new to me. But happily, the inhalers seem to be helping! Just grateful I can still get my fitness on. If I couldn't, it would be the end of me. Physical activity is my therapy. It's the joy in my life.
I feel terrible for all those re-habbing from covid. Many have it way worse than me. Ugh. Stay safe everybody. ❤15 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »Thanks for posting this. My friend who had corona only talks about the fatigue and fever. I wasn’t aware of the other lingering symptoms.
I have had a little more dizziness and fatigue (I have cfs) than usual this spring. I feel like I just can’t get over allergies.
I Went to the Dr. this spring for a sinus Infection for the first time in maybe 30 years. I have lots more stomach problems than
Usual. No nausea, vomiting or fever (my temperature is running 97.? As opposed to normal 99.0.
Makes me suspect even more that I had Corona early.
@corinasue1143
You are welcome!!
Back on page 302 I posted some links of interest few weeks ago. At the bottom of this post is one of them explaining how COVID-19 affected Richard Quest. He is not the only one feeling the "leftovers" of the virus. Many people on line (and I am sure on FB too but I am not a member), have posted about the side effects of the infection. And those older folks that had survived hospitalization and ventilators may need to go to a rehab place or have a lot of care at home. Younger and healthy ones are not excluded either. This virus doesn't discriminate at all.
I get very angry at "people" saying that it is only a sniffle for younger people and that they will be good in a day or two if they are infected. That level of ignorance is pathetic, callous, and very damaging.
I got Covid-19 two months ago. I'm still discovering new areas of damage -- Richard Quest
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/health/richard-quest-covid-wellness-intl/index.html
Well, there’s another symptom. My kitchen has been a real mess the last few months. I spill a lot more and am too tired to clean. I also make a mess when I clean, spill the mop water, etc. I’m stumbling and falling a bit more than usual, but blamed that on post-shingles pain being worse the last few months than the last few years. Maybe it’s corona. Who knows?
Also read somewhere that many people’s hair falls out. I have been cleaning my hair brush more often because of all the hair in it. I didn’t worry about it, just noticed. I have lots of hair.
How do you know if it’s corona or just life?
Maybe when they get a new test perfected to see if you’ve had it or not, I’ll take that test?
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@corinasue1143 who knows is the question? Sadly science has not been spoken and implemented.
Personal opinion based on emotionalism is passing as true science. Marches and riots owned the news cycles.
For weeks we have been talking about face mask usage when we have no peer reviewed science that mask usage is indicated to be helpful, neutral or is harmful in this 2020 Pandemic. I emotionally hope mask usage is helpful when all of the time my left brain is reminding me how today in China with full use of face masks they are still having new lockdowns because of new COVID-19 out breaks. We are running blindfolded with the default leaders being those in the streets getting news media coverage.1 -
Covid 19 is bigger than just some flu that a small number die from and everybody else just "recovers." This crap lingers. I'm young and fit and I worry about the long term effects for those who don't die, even healthy young people...
Back in the early days of this thing I had about a week where I was getting hot flashes (without actual fever), randomly waking up in the middle of the night gasping for air, had a constant low grade headache (when I literally never get them) and everything tasted like dirt (wrecked my appetite). At the time, they wouldn't test without a fever, so I was not eligible to test.
It really wasn't that bad of a sickness for me personally. I'd say it was a very, very mild case. It was just stressful because of the whole pandemic and wondering if I had it or not, and whether it was gonna take one of those scary turns for the worse. But it didn't.
Not much suffering at the time, but the lingering after effects have worsened over time. I was good for awhile, but then a few weeks out, lung symptoms started ramping up. It's 4+ months later and I've just been prescribed 2 inhalers because now I have a chronic cough, and pain from chest cartilage inflammation. Gotta get my lungs calmed down - inhalers will hopefully only be temporary. My doctor thinks I probably had covid, but it's been so long that an antibody test likely wouldn't show it anymore.
I'm a healthy, fit life-long runner and mountain biker and I've still been able to exercise throughout all of this, but my pace has been slowed way down, my endurance is lower, and I take more rest days now. Sometimes it feels like part of my lungs are missing. And the random shortness of breath is so bizarre and new to me. But happily, the inhalers seem to be helping! Just grateful I can still get my fitness on. If I couldn't, it would be the end of me. Physical activity is my therapy. It's the joy in my life.
I feel terrible for all those re-habbing from covid. Many have it way worse than me. Ugh. Stay safe everybody. ❤
I hope your after effects are manageable and eventually disappear. That sounds awful and exactly like what I said to my husband—I’m scared of the after effect. Statistically the odds are on my side for survival (Although that’s clearly not a given), but I am hearing more about lingering after effects. My boys and I live for recreational physical activity and the thought of losing significant lung function for any of us is scary and depressing.11 -
gradchica27 wrote: »Covid 19 is bigger than just some flu that a small number die from and everybody else just "recovers." This crap lingers. I'm young and fit and I worry about the long term effects for those who don't die, even healthy young people...
Back in the early days of this thing I had about a week where I was getting hot flashes (without actual fever), randomly waking up in the middle of the night gasping for air, had a constant low grade headache (when I literally never get them) and everything tasted like dirt (wrecked my appetite). At the time, they wouldn't test without a fever, so I was not eligible to test.
It really wasn't that bad of a sickness for me personally. I'd say it was a very, very mild case. It was just stressful because of the whole pandemic and wondering if I had it or not, and whether it was gonna take one of those scary turns for the worse. But it didn't.
Not much suffering at the time, but the lingering after effects have worsened over time. I was good for awhile, but then a few weeks out, lung symptoms started ramping up. It's 4+ months later and I've just been prescribed 2 inhalers because now I have a chronic cough, and pain from chest cartilage inflammation. Gotta get my lungs calmed down - inhalers will hopefully only be temporary. My doctor thinks I probably had covid, but it's been so long that an antibody test likely wouldn't show it anymore.
I'm a healthy, fit life-long runner and mountain biker and I've still been able to exercise throughout all of this, but my pace has been slowed way down, my endurance is lower, and I take more rest days now. Sometimes it feels like part of my lungs are missing. And the random shortness of breath is so bizarre and new to me. But happily, the inhalers seem to be helping! Just grateful I can still get my fitness on. If I couldn't, it would be the end of me. Physical activity is my therapy. It's the joy in my life.
I feel terrible for all those re-habbing from covid. Many have it way worse than me. Ugh. Stay safe everybody. ❤
I hope your after effects are manageable and eventually disappear. That sounds awful and exactly like what I said to my husband—I’m scared of the after effect. Statistically the odds are on my side for survival (Although that’s clearly not a given), but I am hearing more about lingering after effects. My boys and I live for recreational physical activity and the thought of losing significant lung function for any of us is scary and depressing.
I do think if you're in seriously good cardio shape that the effects will be temporary, but there's certainly no guarantees with Covid-19. One of my online rowing buddies is also an epidemiologist (though infectious diseases aren't his specialty). He's also an amazing biker.
He posted up a study last week (I'll see if I can find it) where they believe that strong aerobic functions would be a very protective mechanism against Covid-19, in particular from the lung damage -- the famous cytokine storm.
Since it seems the mechanism of protection is through Superoxide Dismutase, which you can also buy as a supplement, I asked him if the supplement would help (I'm an endurance athlete but many of my siblings can't or won't exercise). He felt that there was no real replacement through supplementation to replace being well trained.
Here's the study he was referring to.
https://neurosciencenews.com/coronavirus-exercise-16169/
I'm like you, I do cardio six or seven hours a week and love it. It would seriously depress me to have impaired lung function that I've worked so hard to improve for many, many years.6 -
Here in the UK we are to start using masks in all shops as of tomorrow, Friday 24th. Before this its been do as you like. The first science I heard way back was its Large particles that land on flat surfaces so wash your hands. My silly little brain was saying "what about the a the aerosol effect, it can't just be large particles, can it". Then there was the "masks only protect others", again why. Now the aerosol is an issue over here, especially from the asymptomatic. Aerosols collect in clouds in enclosed places like shops, err yes (like allergens which was why I used to wear masks in the first place or hid inside my home to get way from laundry residues) I count the enclosed areas of our shopping centres as enclosed like shops and masks need to be worn not just as you go over the threshold of a store. Others will take it literally and wear them only in the shop. Now shopkeepers are saying they will not police the ruling, our police force is spread too thin to fine everyone in each and every shop.
The Scientists I've heard are saying Covid 19 is now endemic, meaning its so deeply entrenched in our societies that its going to be as difficult, they were saying, as small pox and TB to eradicate. I've no way of knowing for sure how long it will be before we humans will get ourselves out of this thing. Its going to be some time and its not going to be easy so, we each need to do our best for ourselves and others and instil it into any youngsters who we have contact with. Mainly setting a good example.
I've not been doing the shopping, I do the driving and stay in my bubble so its another taking my risk so has been distancing, the 2 metres and of late masked.
Wishing you all the very best, keep safe everyone.7 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »
I'm like you, I do cardio six or seven hours a week and love it. It would seriously depress me to have impaired lung function that I've worked so hard to improve for many, many years.
This is a huge source of anxiety for me. Intellectually I know that I'd get through a period of decreased fitness and that there are people who have way worse consequences of getting ill, but that doesn't stop me from worrying about it
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Indiana has implemented a mask requirement starting Monday. Non compliance carries the possibility of arrest and a misdemeanor charge. We are also staying at level 4.5 and will hold here based off of numbers. Numbers are increasing and hospital and ICU admissions have also gone up.3
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@MikePfirrman Every day I hike in grizzly bear country, steep hillsides and mountainsides. I carry as much weight as I can stand in a backpack. Yesterday, there was another grizzly attack in my area. Bear and hiker encounter. The bear spray fell from his hands.
I ran away over the 4th due to company wanting to stay at my house. Now, one of them has a 102 degree temp and went in for their 'rona test. Others in their posse are saying it's only 'hayfever' but hayfever doesn't come with high temps. They're just blowin' smoke. We have to listen to our gut, trust our innermost instincts and keep using our heads besides something to part our ears with.
I look forward to the posts here on kshama's most excellent thread.
On some levels, bear encounters are better than meeting up with the invisible 'Rona. I had a close encounter with a grizzly when I was 10. Grizzly bear breath, once encountered but never forgotten. To win any battle we have to know our enemy. We don't really know this one. I'm going to get my gear ready and hike for all I'm worth right now. I will take photos and I will sing at the top of my lungs. Our mileage will always vary. We run with different packs and travel in different herds. Variety is good. It's supposed to be that way. So long now.
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