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kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
I wonder how much of that is also attributed to the high unemployment and no stimulus.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.7 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
I wonder how much of that is also attributed to the high unemployment and no stimulus.
According to this local piece, part of it, although another part is the movement of spending to online: https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-black-friday-shopping-coronavirus-20201127-fw4kyx6cqfamvao7asqar4xf5u-story.html
"Despite less foot traffic, sales are expected to increase between 3.6% and 5.2% this year, totaling at least $755.3 billion, according to the National Retail Federation, a trade group.
An increasing share is taking place online this season. Consumers spent $5.1 billion online on Thanksgiving, up 21.5% from last year, according to Adobe Analytics. Online spending on Black Friday could be as much as $10.6 billion, and online sales for November and December are expected to hit $189 billion, up 33% from last year, Adobe said.
Many families have faced financial challenges during the pandemic and 47% of Chicagoans surveyed in September said they expected to spend less this holiday season, with most citing concerns about the economy’s instability, their household financial situation or job loss, according to consulting firm Deloitte.
Others have saved money on activities they have skipped during the pandemic, like travel and dining out, and the desire to connect with family and friends or indulge in retail therapy could lead to more spending."
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
I wonder how much of that is also attributed to the high unemployment and no stimulus.
According to this local piece, part of it, although another part is the movement of spending to online: https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-black-friday-shopping-coronavirus-20201127-fw4kyx6cqfamvao7asqar4xf5u-story.html
"Despite less foot traffic, sales are expected to increase between 3.6% and 5.2% this year, totaling at least $755.3 billion, according to the National Retail Federation, a trade group.
An increasing share is taking place online this season. Consumers spent $5.1 billion online on Thanksgiving, up 21.5% from last year, according to Adobe Analytics. Online spending on Black Friday could be as much as $10.6 billion, and online sales for November and December are expected to hit $189 billion, up 33% from last year, Adobe said.
Many families have faced financial challenges during the pandemic and 47% of Chicagoans surveyed in September said they expected to spend less this holiday season, with most citing concerns about the economy’s instability, their household financial situation or job loss, according to consulting firm Deloitte.
Others have saved money on activities they have skipped during the pandemic, like travel and dining out, and the desire to connect with family and friends or indulge in retail therapy could lead to more spending."
The true tale of two cities.5 -
If we can't get back to "life as usual" then what is the point of taking the vaccine? A vaccine that can have serious side effects at that. There's going to be a TON of pushback on this if true...I mean that's not what's been being told to us here in the US, until very recently, and there's going to be many who refuse to do so if we can't leave the masks and social distancing behind.
OMG!! I am not going to even respond or comment to that statement because I would be quarantined by MFP for a very long time. But if you have to ask that question, you really need to learn more about COVID-19. Happy Thanksgiving.
If you feel strongly about the vaccine then great! Take it! But we've been being told that a vaccine is our way back to normal and now the bar is being shifted again. If taking the vaccine means that we can leave the Covid restrictions behind that's awesome, but if not then yes there's going to be an issue with convincing the general public that they should take it - especially if it results in serious side effects.
I know plenty about Covid, my brother had it back in April and I work in the health field. I get Covid can be really bad for some people (though it's totally not a big deal for others, just like most diseases). How exactly do we convince people to take a vaccine that will give them side effects and not result in being able to get back to our "normal" lives? In that case we should just continue on as we have been...or at least that's how many will see it.
There are a number of diseases we hardly talk about or think about anymore, because everybody gets the vaccines as part of a routine childhood program. And certification of being up to date on the schedule is part of school entry.
So if there's a new disease and a new vaccine, why would it take so much convincing?!?! For a disease to be eradicated, it requires the vast majority of the world's population to be immune. If there is a significant number of people not pursuing immunity, there will still be too many potential carriers, and we won't see the full effect in terms of a return to normal.10 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.
@TonyB0588
do you mean "counties?" (no "r" between the t and the i) because me thinks that @snowflake954 was referring to world "countries."
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snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.
@TonyB0588
do you mean "counties?" (no "r" between the t and the i) because me thinks that @snowflake954 was referring to world "countries."
I thought Tony lived in a small island nation where there'd been a more limited spread of Coronavirus?7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »People keep insisting that we have to do this because we can't allow people to die of Covid, but seem to not care about what is happening as a result of the restrictions.
You seem to be operating on some pretense that if the local officials did not encourage social distancing and masks, if there was no partial shut down (in many places this is simply no indoor dining/bars and reducing the number of people in stores, in others it's even less), that everything would be "normal." That's clearly not the case. Large events started to be canceled before any official shutdowns, and a lot less people than normal are going to be willing to go out and behave as if there was no virus, especially as rates and deaths would increase by a lot as people did, if local officials just did -- as you seem to want -- throw up their hands and say "everything is open 100%, act normally!" I mean, there are people who would do so as a political statement, no doubt, but the idea that everything would just be normal just doesn't seem based in reality at all.
The way things CAN be normal is if the vaccines work and we quickly get them to a high enough percentage of the population or if we had perhaps done more to prevent it getting to this widespread level of spread (for example, it seems that other than short term shut downs in response to any community spread, NZ and Aus are largely able to operate much more normally).
IMO,those who most loudly demand (including by their behavior) that we pretend this virus does not matter are the very ones who are responsible for it going on as long and as badly as it has.
This. So much this.
And yes, life in NZ is 'new normal' - https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/alert-level-1/
Basically, keep track of where you've been, maintain good hand hygiene, practice distancing where you can. Everything is open (except the border). And no, neither New Zealand or Australia achieved this by virtue of being islands with low population density (Auckland is actually hella dense, as are several cities in Aus). We achieved it by all doing what was needed, when it was needed.
I despair for the US, I really do. Because in all likelihood there are going to be too many people who refuse to get the vaccine for it to be effective. They're mostly the same people who are the reason the US is currently in such bad shape.
Hurrah for New Zealand. And I share your feelings about the great USA.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.
@TonyB0588
do you mean "counties?" (no "r" between the t and the i) because me thinks that @snowflake954 was referring to world "countries."
He most definitely meant countries. Many of us are doing just fine. This gives a lovely graphic indication of just how much of the world is not a giant mess: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html6 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.4 -
My county went to purple tier (Californina) and that meant closing of indoor gyms. We aren't complying. Becausse OUTDOOR gyms can be done in a tent with no ventilation and no requirement of cleaning the equipment. In my gym, all members HAVE to wear masks OVER NOSE AND MOUTH, all equipment has to be wiped down with disinfectant wipe after use including weights, we temp check at the door, staff goes and cleans equipment every hour, our capacity is only at 10% and we have fans and ac and ventilation going on. We also spray and industrial strength microban on our equipment everynight that gets activated when it's wiped down. And we're certified by Stonewright Biotech every 2 weeks. They measure virus, bacteria, mold, fungus at our facility and give it a rating. Anything under 100 is very clean. Hospitals usually rate at 50. Our last 2 checks were at 28.
We are in litigation with the state which is why although we've been told to shut down, we haven't because we're cleaner and adhere to safety policies better than any essential operation out there.
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Tough call here. I agree with all your arguments for staying open, but adult disobedience to authority isn't instilling the right values in the next generation of children. This is hard for me to comprehend.12 -
New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
It should be obvious. Intelligent people would be expected to understand the reasoning behind the suggestions and not just the specific details of the rules.6 -
Can someone please help me figure this out because I am very confused. I was tested on Nov. 16th, any symptoms I might've been having then were vague. My results came back the 19th as positive and I'd been feeling tired for a couple days. Aside from the tiredness, one of my glands was a little sore for a day but that was it. When the health dept. called they based the quarantine time on when my symptoms started(according to them they said the 18th but It was probably more like the 17th) and added 10 days onto that. So, technically am I safe going out tomorrow, the 28th or should I err on the side of caution and wait until Sunday? The problem is I've already promised someone I could be there for them tomorrow.
I have felt fine for the past few days. To me, the fact that I feel absolutely fine and the onset f my symptoms were vague to begin with, plus they're even thinking or decreasing the amount of quarantine time.....dh says no, I say I'm fine. And the person I promised to be there for really needs me.
So, what say you everybody?? I feel I've done my time and will still play by the rules, being even more vigilant if that's possible.
Yes, go. Wear your mask, wash your hands, and continue to practice social/physical distancing.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.
People were just buying up all the TP as soon as it got to stores, so many of us never could find any because others bought it before we had a chance.
Fortunately, I have a ton of leftovwr turkey because I got an almost 20 lb. turkey for Thanksgiving and live alone. Granted, I don't eat plants, but this is several days worth of food by itself.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.
People were just buying up all the TP as soon as it got to stores, so many of us never could find any because others bought it before we had a chance.
Fortunately, I have a ton of leftovwr turkey because I got an almost 20 lb. turkey for Thanksgiving and live alone. Granted, I don't eat plants, but this is several days worth of food by itself.
Stop and Shop actually had a normal SALE on toilet paper this week starting today. A miracle to not have to pay $15 for a package of TP. Were allowed to buy 2 - 12 packs. Did not need 2, but I bought them. If my family needs TP, I will happily share with them.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
Hope the delivery guys wear masks and are well protected when they take these online purchases to the houses.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.
People were just buying up all the TP as soon as it got to stores, so many of us never could find any because others bought it before we had a chance.
Fortunately, I have a ton of leftovwr turkey because I got an almost 20 lb. turkey for Thanksgiving and live alone. Granted, I don't eat plants, but this is several days worth of food by itself.
While TP is still on the shelves at our Walmart currently this past summer it was overflowing and we restocked well so we'll be fine since we just replace as we use it.
As a kid in the 50's I remember dad going to town in the old Pickup and load it up with can goods, sugar, flour, 25 pound tin of hog lard and TP for the winter. Still today we only buy mainly 24-48 roll packs.
I think the mindset in rural America is still impacted by Great Depression and 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic because we heard those stories from our parents and grandparents. We don't hoard but we do stock up for potential hard times.3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.
People were just buying up all the TP as soon as it got to stores, so many of us never could find any because others bought it before we had a chance.
Fortunately, I have a ton of leftovwr turkey because I got an almost 20 lb. turkey for Thanksgiving and live alone. Granted, I don't eat plants, but this is several days worth of food by itself.
While TP is still on the shelves at our Walmart currently this past summer it was overflowing and we restocked well so we'll be fine since we just replace as we use it.
As a kid in the 50's I remember dad going to town in the old Pickup and load it up with can goods, sugar, flour, 25 pound tin of hog lard and TP for the winter. Still today we only buy mainly 24-48 roll packs.
I think the mindset in rural America is still impacted by Great Depression and 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic because we heard those stories from our parents and grandparents. We don't hoard but we do stock up for potential hard times.
This is a good point. My grandparents were depression-era kids and they keep and hoard absolutely everything from magazines to plastic containers (and glass, of course). In fact, I have seen them rinse and re-use paper cups from fast food for days on end. My grandpa died in April and my grandma is in a nursing home now. I've not been in the house they lived in for decades, but I don't think either of them have been there for a long time either. It's in such poor condition, in part due to their hoarding, that it hasn't been livable for years. As they got old and couldn't climb over all their stuff, they became more and more restricted about what part of the house they could even go to. I know they haven't gone upstairs for years... and it is probably a good thing because last time I was there (2011), there was so much stuff in the 2nd floor that the ceiling on the main floor was visibly bowing.
Of course, not everyone in their generation is at that level of hoarding. Nonetheless, there is definitely a habit within older American generations to obtain items that could be useful and keep anything that might have some purpose at some point.9 -
At a Costco in a major city today. 1 pack limit on toilet paper.3
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.
People were just buying up all the TP as soon as it got to stores, so many of us never could find any because others bought it before we had a chance.
Fortunately, I have a ton of leftovwr turkey because I got an almost 20 lb. turkey for Thanksgiving and live alone. Granted, I don't eat plants, but this is several days worth of food by itself.
While TP is still on the shelves at our Walmart currently this past summer it was overflowing and we restocked well so we'll be fine since we just replace as we use it.
As a kid in the 50's I remember dad going to town in the old Pickup and load it up with can goods, sugar, flour, 25 pound tin of hog lard and TP for the winter. Still today we only buy mainly 24-48 roll packs.
I think the mindset in rural America is still impacted by Great Depression and 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic because we heard those stories from our parents and grandparents. We don't hoard but we do stock up for potential hard times.
This is a good point. My grandparents were depression-era kids and they keep and hoard absolutely everything from magazines to plastic containers (and glass, of course). In fact, I have seen them rinse and re-use paper cups from fast food for days on end. My grandpa died in April and my grandma is in a nursing home now. I've not been in the house they lived in for decades, but I don't think either of them have been there for a long time either. It's in such poor condition, in part due to their hoarding, that it hasn't been livable for years. As they got old and couldn't climb over all their stuff, they became more and more restricted about what part of the house they could even go to. I know they haven't gone upstairs for years... and it is probably a good thing because last time I was there (2011), there was so much stuff in the 2nd floor that the ceiling on the main floor was visibly bowing.
Of course, not everyone in their generation is at that level of hoarding. Nonetheless, there is definitely a habit within older American generations to obtain items that could be useful and keep anything that might have some purpose at some point.
My parents still remembered the intense hunger during the Second World War (living in Belgium). As soon as they heard anything on the news that might be worrisome they would start stocking up. I personally remember it when my mother heard about operation Desert Storm. She rushed to the grocery store to buy pasta, flower, rice and corned beef.
But she never hoarded or bought tons of toilet paper.
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