Coronavirus prep
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Good news for you Slimgirljo!!! Stay safe and get social
I have a question, these places with limited capacity, such as stores....I went to a store that had a sign up saying 'only 71 people allowed'. But how do they get that number and who counts them?? There is no one in there tapping patrons on the head going 'ok, you're # 59, cone on in'. So are the signs merely another governmental mandate that's being ignored like the no mask-no entry signs?
And another thing that makes no sense to me is we're not allowed to cross the state border 15 minutes away to shop in a different small town BUT we can travel 80 miles to shop in our state's biggest city where Covid has killed many.
If I wanted to shop in that small town 15 minutes away, my dh would technically have to self-quarantine for 10-14 days.
SMH
Bigger stores here do have a person counting those coming in and out. Really small stores don't need that, since it's obvious (this is true for most of the little places in my neighborhood shopping district), and they often have their max numbers posted on the door. Some other places seem to have other means -- initially my local supermarket was trying to do it by requiring everyone to take a cart (and only one person per party), and having limited carts and someone handing them out and wiping off the handles, but this was a flop.
State borders aren't enforced from what I can see (not at all, and I don't think it's possible in the US), but if they were (and from the beginning) like in Australia, I think we'd be better off, so I don't consider that necessarily unreasonable as an idea. Your state has certain rules but if people come and go from states that are more lax (my state/area is near states that are more lax, which is part of why we have had a new spike where I am, IMO, even though we have the unenforceable quarantine rules), it does little good. It's true that in some cases traveling throughout a state can do the same thing, but it's even less possible to limit that (or require quarantine for going to another county). Some places outside of the US have recommended limiting travel to quite close around your house, but I don't think anywhere in the US has tried that (maybe NY?).
Yeah most states have literally hundreds of roads connecting with neighboring states. Impossible to patrol all of them.
Not only is it difficult or impossible to enforce because of logistics, but a legal argument can be made because the U.S. Constitution allows us to "travel unmolested amongst the several states" (something like that... I didn't look it up, just going from memory). How well that legal argument stands up in court, though, I can't opine.
The Constitution just says: "The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states," although various cases have interpreted this to include a freedom of movement between states (and some have just found that to be an inherent right, which can be found from a combination of provisions/the 14th Amendment). I think an argument against a quarantine would be pretty tough, as people aren't being treated differently based on what state they reside in, but based on whether they've been to a place with an outbreak -- if I go to Indiana, I'm treated the same for quarantine purposes as someone from Indiana. But of course enforcing these is not being done and not really possible anyhow, at least not by the states. It's honor system.8 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Good news for you Slimgirljo!!! Stay safe and get social
I have a question, these places with limited capacity, such as stores....I went to a store that had a sign up saying 'only 71 people allowed'. But how do they get that number and who counts them?? There is no one in there tapping patrons on the head going 'ok, you're # 59, cone on in'. So are the signs merely another governmental mandate that's being ignored like the no mask-no entry signs?
And another thing that makes no sense to me is we're not allowed to cross the state border 15 minutes away to shop in a different small town BUT we can travel 80 miles to shop in our state's biggest city where Covid has killed many. If I wanted to shop in that small town 15 minutes away, my dh would technically have to self-quarantine for 10-14 days.
SMH
Bigger stores here do have a person counting those coming in and out. Really small stores don't need that, since it's obvious (this is true for most of the little places in my neighborhood shopping district), and they often have their max numbers posted on the door. Some other places seem to have other means -- initially my local supermarket was trying to do it by requiring everyone to take a cart (and only one person per party), and having limited carts and someone handing them out and wiping off the handles, but this was a flop.
State borders aren't enforced from what I can see (not at all, and I don't think it's possible in the US), but if they were (and from the beginning) like in Australia, I think we'd be better off, so I don't consider that necessarily unreasonable as an idea. Your state has certain rules but if people come and go from states that are more lax (my state/area is near states that are more lax, which is part of why we have had a new spike where I am, IMO, even though we have the unenforceable quarantine rules), it does little good. It's true that in some cases traveling throughout a state can do the same thing, but it's even less possible to limit that (or require quarantine for going to another county). Some places outside of the US have recommended limiting travel to quite close around your house, but I don't think anywhere in the US has tried that (maybe NY?).
Yeah most states have literally hundreds of roads connecting with neighboring states. Impossible to patrol all of them.
Not only is it difficult or impossible to enforce because of logistics, but a legal argument can be made because the U.S. Constitution allows us to "travel unmolested amongst the several states" (something like that... I didn't look it up, just going from memory). How well that legal argument stands up in court, though, I can't opine.
The Constitution just says: "The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states," although various cases have interpreted this to include a freedom of movement between states (and some have just found that to be an inherent right, which can be found from a combination of provisions/the 14th Amendment). I think an argument against a quarantine would be pretty tough, as people aren't being treated differently based on what state they reside in, but based on whether they've been to a place with an outbreak -- if I go to Indiana, I'm treated the same for quarantine purposes as someone from Indiana. But of course enforcing these is not being done and not really possible anyhow, at least not by the states. It's honor system.
Exactly -- I'm not being asked to quarantine because I'm from another state. It's something that is being equally requested of visitors, new residents, and people native to Indiana who just went to North Dakota to visit family.
You can never predict what a court is going to do, but it would be hard to make the case that non-residents were being singled out because they aren't.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »Good news for you Slimgirljo!!! Stay safe and get social
I have a question, these places with limited capacity, such as stores....I went to a store that had a sign up saying 'only 71 people allowed'. But how do they get that number and who counts them?? There is no one in there tapping patrons on the head going 'ok, you're # 59, cone on in'. So are the signs merely another governmental mandate that's being ignored like the no mask-no entry signs?
And another thing that makes no sense to me is we're not allowed to cross the state border 15 minutes away to shop in a different small town BUT we can travel 80 miles to shop in our state's biggest city where Covid has killed many. If I wanted to shop in that small town 15 minutes away, my dh would technically have to self-quarantine for 10-14 days.
SMH
Bigger stores here do have a person counting those coming in and out. Really small stores don't need that, since it's obvious (this is true for most of the little places in my neighborhood shopping district), and they often have their max numbers posted on the door. Some other places seem to have other means -- initially my local supermarket was trying to do it by requiring everyone to take a cart (and only one person per party), and having limited carts and someone handing them out and wiping off the handles, but this was a flop.
State borders aren't enforced from what I can see (not at all, and I don't think it's possible in the US), but if they were (and from the beginning) like in Australia, I think we'd be better off, so I don't consider that necessarily unreasonable as an idea. Your state has certain rules but if people come and go from states that are more lax (my state/area is near states that are more lax, which is part of why we have had a new spike where I am, IMO, even though we have the unenforceable quarantine rules), it does little good. It's true that in some cases traveling throughout a state can do the same thing, but it's even less possible to limit that (or require quarantine for going to another county). Some places outside of the US have recommended limiting travel to quite close around your house, but I don't think anywhere in the US has tried that (maybe NY?).
Yeah most states have literally hundreds of roads connecting with neighboring states. Impossible to patrol all of them.
Not only is it difficult or impossible to enforce because of logistics, but a legal argument can be made because the U.S. Constitution allows us to "travel unmolested amongst the several states" (something like that... I didn't look it up, just going from memory). How well that legal argument stands up in court, though, I can't opine.
The Constitution just says: "The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states," although various cases have interpreted this to include a freedom of movement between states (and some have just found that to be an inherent right, which can be found from a combination of provisions/the 14th Amendment). I think an argument against a quarantine would be pretty tough, as people aren't being treated differently based on what state they reside in, but based on whether they've been to a place with an outbreak -- if I go to Indiana, I'm treated the same for quarantine purposes as someone from Indiana. But of course enforcing these is not being done and not really possible anyhow, at least not by the states. It's honor system.
I can't cite a specific instance ATM (I'm not as tuned in as you to the legal environment!), but it seems like in some of the court rulings I've been hearing about recently, the courts are slightly more willing to consider some (not all) freedom/rights limitations as being acceptable in the pandemic - things that would pretty clearly not be acceptable if there were no public health emergency.2 -
SummerSkier wrote: »today I was on a call for work with a supplier and they mentioned delays due to Chinese New Year. My response was "I hope that CNY in 2021 is NOT LIKE the one in 2020 ......"
I don't know about everyone else but it seems like we have been waiting for CNY to end since March.....
This post feels like a meme to me. It's a meme without a picture...3 -
streak broken 🙄 a women who worked in two quarantine hotels and travelled on public transport (train) has tested positive.. fingers crossed she didn't infect tons of people in her travels.13
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yes I saw that on our news slimjo - disappointing for NSW
Here in Australia state restrictions were certainly law and were enforced - I think Ive mentioned before my friend who got an exemption to visit NSW on compassionate grounds, a few months ago - when he returned to SA he had to do 14 days self isolation - and police came to his house at random times each day to check he was doing so.
Here in South Australia it is now mandatory to wear masks in all health facilities - nursing homes (not the residents who live there but staff, visitors, contractors), hospitals, GP surgeries, dentists etc etc. All people over 12 years old.
There are exemptions.
I work in a Dr's surgery - welcome to 100 excuses and complaints from patients
Also now have to check in to any health facilities, restarants, sports clubs etc - basically any public venue other than really quick in and out things, like paying for petrol.
Not sure about supermarkets.
You can either do it via an app on your smart phone, once you have it set up you just scan like a bar code - or if you dont have a smart phone or you dont have it with you, you can write name on paper record.
For contact tracing purposes.7 -
They should have kept our Aussie boarders closed till we have the vaccine, that is my view. Just waiting for Covid to start here in Queensland now we opened up. It was so nice not having to worry about it too much but now almost all states can come it's only a matter of time to have it here I guess.6
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They should have kept our Aussie boarders closed till we have the vaccine, that is my view. Just waiting for Covid to start here in Queensland now we opened up. It was so nice not having to worry about it too much but now almost all states can come it's only a matter of time to have it here I guess.
I kinda thought maybe with the sports events up there might be more cases pop up soon. Stay safe Sue.2 -
SummerSkier wrote: »today I was on a call for work with a supplier and they mentioned delays due to Chinese New Year. My response was "I hope that CNY in 2021 is NOT LIKE the one in 2020 ......"
I don't know about everyone else but it seems like we have been waiting for CNY to end since March.....
HA! I'm sure the product development manager at my former work would agree with you...1 -
Clear, easy to understand article on positivity rates:
https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2020/11/20/no-soaring-covid-19-cases-are-not-due-to-more-testing-they-show-a-surging-pandemic/
Chilling to see my state so close to the high end of the chart.5 -
https://news.yahoo.com/couple-arrested-boarding-flight-testing-040205355.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=news_tab&utm_content=algorithm
Couple arrested for boarding a plane knowing they were covid positive.4 -
An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
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This supports what we were all thinking, that it was in the US far before the first "documented" case..The virus that causes COVID-19 may have been in the US as early as mid-December 2019, a month before the first confirmed case, based on antibodies found in donated blood. Widespread community transmission likely did not occur until February 2020.
https://bit.ly/36k3gzI.
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I accept it may have been in a place a month before the first documented case
What worries me though is people self diagnosing in hindsight or making claims like they had a year and/or in a place long distance away
( not saying you, just general comment)7 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Interesting and sadly, I am not near the beginning of the line. Hopefully I will be vaccinated before going on vacation in September 2021
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Interesting I'm 64 with no health issues. Using this I'm behind 269M people. When i turn 65 in 4 months I jump up to behind 119M people.
Seems like nice party gsme but probably not reflective of really at least in my case2 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
That’s a cool calculator, but given that doctors are still arguing about whether moderate asthma is a higher risk factor or not, I can’t tell whether I fall into “people with risk factors” in the middle or “others” at the very end of the line.
I know that the changing advice is because we keep learning more and it’s not actually a plot to drive me bonkers, but sometimes it feels like it.2 -
I know there were a few people here who tested positive and there may be more. Thought I'd share this. Free care kit for anyone who tested positive. Includes diffuser and essential oils.
https://amet.bio/bb-19/index_en.asp?-6 -
BecomingMoreAwesome wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
That’s a cool calculator, but given that doctors are still arguing about whether moderate asthma is a higher risk factor or not, I can’t tell whether I fall into “people with risk factors” in the middle or “others” at the very end of the line.
I know that the changing advice is because we keep learning more and it’s not actually a plot to drive me bonkers, but sometimes it feels like it.
Same for me as a type 1 diabetic. I believe I'm at higher risk, but who actually gets to make that decision?! Doctors disagree... but to be fair, I've met a lot of doctors who don't understand the differences and that lack of understanding will lead many to conclude that type 1's are not at an increased risk.0 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
In the graphic of 100 people, I was 5th from last. The only aspect I was curious about is why "young adults" and "children" came earlier than a 59 year old given all the information about the young typically having a much less dangerous response to the virus.5 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Interesting... I'm behind 23 million across the USA.0 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I know there were a few people here who tested positive and there may be more. Thought I'd share this. Free care kit for anyone who tested positive. Includes diffuser and essential oils.
https://amet.bio/bb-19/index_en.asp?
Why did someone flag this?? This isn't spam it is a legit website. We even share it with our patients who test positive in case they want to claim a free diffuser.0 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
In the graphic of 100 people, I was 5th from last. The only aspect I was curious about is why "young adults" and "children" came earlier than a 59 year old given all the information about the young typically having a much less dangerous response to the virus.
I don't think it will be approved for children until after it is already dispersed for adults. It hasn't yet been approved for children, they are just starting gathering data and formal testing with children now is what I read.3 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
As a type 2 diabetic I’m tier 2, behind health care workers, nursing homes, and first responders, with 23 million in front of me. My husband with asthma is either in the same tier or nearly last, depending on whether asthma and sharing a household with a high risk person are considered risk factors.2 -
Article in our local paper this morning - contact tracing interviews found that 76% of people continued going out to work after knowing they were positive and 40% continued socializing. This is after receiving the results of a positive test.
I don’t know what to do to these people - it seems to me there ought to be some sort of penalty/incentive to them and to their employers. Start by reimbursing employers for sick leave, then penalize them for asking people to come in.9 -
rheddmobile wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
As a type 2 diabetic I’m tier 2, behind health care workers, nursing homes, and first responders, with 23 million in front of me. My husband with asthma is either in the same tier or nearly last, depending on whether asthma and sharing a household with a high risk person are considered risk factors.
My wife and I are both in the last S, with around 8 people behind us out of 100. So I guess we're going to be a LONG time before we see a vaccine.
Actually, I redid it. LOL, I was dead last person in line out of 100 in AZ based on being 56 years old, no preexisting conditions and a non-essential worker. Pinal, County AZ. It looks like it's not the same result every time. I'm from 8 from the end to the end.3 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I know there were a few people here who tested positive and there may be more. Thought I'd share this. Free care kit for anyone who tested positive. Includes diffuser and essential oils.
https://amet.bio/bb-19/index_en.asp?
Why did someone flag this?? This isn't spam it is a legit website. We even share it with our patients who test positive in case they want to claim a free diffuser.
I admit, I have a visceral reaction when I see "essential oils" and "illness" in the same sentence, just because some folks make questionable claims about the effectiveness of oils vs. approved medications. It sounds like, though, this company is promoting a high-tech equivalent of rubbing menthol jelly on your chest with some other ingredients, in a soothing-the-congestion kind of way.6 -
well my guess on the vaccine is that after the initial few weeks and when both (or if) both are approved for use that it will be impossible to "queue" folks. Medical, first responders, nursing home folks etc will all go first and then most likely production will be ramping quickly so that it will become more available. My suspicion is that eventually I will get it either at work or at the grocery store similar to where I got / get the flu shot sometime in Mar or April.3
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spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
In the graphic of 100 people, I was 5th from last. The only aspect I was curious about is why "young adults" and "children" came earlier than a 59 year old given all the information about the young typically having a much less dangerous response to the virus.
I'm 50, and was 8th from the end, which I suspect is about county vs any difference between 59 and 50.
I can see the explanation for the kids, maybe -- one of the most important things is getting them back to school and preventing spread related to that, even if they themselves are unlikely to get sick (or seriously so). Don't get the young adults all being ahead given the risk factors. Eh, shrug, Gen X just doesn't matter once again! ;-)4 -
spiriteagle99 wrote: »An interesting interactive feature:
Find out where you are in line for the vaccine!
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/12/03/opinion/covid-19-vaccine-timeline.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
In the graphic of 100 people, I was 5th from last. The only aspect I was curious about is why "young adults" and "children" came earlier than a 59 year old given all the information about the young typically having a much less dangerous response to the virus.
I'm 50, and was 8th from the end, which I suspect is about county vs any difference between 59 and 50.
I can see the explanation for the kids, maybe -- one of the most important things is getting them back to school and preventing spread related to that, even if they themselves are unlikely to get sick (or seriously so). Don't get the young adults all being ahead given the risk factors. Eh, shrug, Gen X just doesn't matter once again! ;-)
My wife and I are Baby Boomers and we don't either! I'm not gonna complain, seriously. Neither of us has any preexisting conditions and neither are on meds and have great BP numbers, so things could be worse. Plus, we're in our little bubble in AZ.1
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