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Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
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kshama2001 wrote: »New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Do you ever read anyone's advice? I asked could you stay somewhere else so you didn't get Covid from your husband and also about travelling .. I give up. Sorry you didn't listen and got it though. I really am. Glad it's a minor case. Big hugs.
She and her husband don't have it. You may be confusing her with Reenie, whose husband likely got it from work, not traveling; Reenie hasn't mention traveling.
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New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Do you ever read anyone's advice? I asked could you stay somewhere else so you didn't get Covid from your husband and also about travelling .. I give up. Sorry you didn't listen and got it though. I really am. Glad it's a minor case. Big hugs.
This is the post ReenieHJ---I'm sure it was just some confusion.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Do you ever read anyone's advice? I asked could you stay somewhere else so you didn't get Covid from your husband and also about travelling .. I give up. Sorry you didn't listen and got it though. I really am. Glad it's a minor case. Big hugs.
She and her husband don't have it. You may be confusing her with Reenie, whose husband likely got it from work, not traveling; Reenie hasn't mention traveling.
Hi there. I wasn't saying that to Rennie. It was for another person. Never mind. All good.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
Good for slowing the pandemic, which we all agree. I just feel terrible about the impact on businesses, owners and employees.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Do you ever read anyone's advice? I asked could you stay somewhere else so you didn't get Covid from your husband and also about travelling .. I give up. Sorry you didn't listen and got it though. I really am. Glad it's a minor case. Big hugs.
She and her husband don't have it. You may be confusing her with Reenie, whose husband likely got it from work, not traveling; Reenie hasn't mention traveling.
I'm confused?
I think the poster confused a couple that was traveling (not you) with a couple who have COVID (perhaps you) and thought the traveling and covid people were one couple instead of two.2 -
I'm at the laundromat and am the only person here in compliance with the county mask mandate. To be fair, half the people here can't figure out how to wear pants. Maybe masks are truly too much to ask.26
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I'm at the laundromat and am the only person here in compliance with the county mask mandate. To be fair, half the people here can't figure out how to wear pants. Maybe masks are truly too much to ask.
Funniest thing I heard all day! But yeah get the masks on.2 -
I am not going out shopping until next Thursday, when I will do the usual weekly shop. I stocked up for two weeks the last time I went out, so I don't have to go out over Thanksgiving.4
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kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
I wonder how much of that is also attributed to the high unemployment and no stimulus.6 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.7 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
I wonder how much of that is also attributed to the high unemployment and no stimulus.
According to this local piece, part of it, although another part is the movement of spending to online: https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-black-friday-shopping-coronavirus-20201127-fw4kyx6cqfamvao7asqar4xf5u-story.html
"Despite less foot traffic, sales are expected to increase between 3.6% and 5.2% this year, totaling at least $755.3 billion, according to the National Retail Federation, a trade group.
An increasing share is taking place online this season. Consumers spent $5.1 billion online on Thanksgiving, up 21.5% from last year, according to Adobe Analytics. Online spending on Black Friday could be as much as $10.6 billion, and online sales for November and December are expected to hit $189 billion, up 33% from last year, Adobe said.
Many families have faced financial challenges during the pandemic and 47% of Chicagoans surveyed in September said they expected to spend less this holiday season, with most citing concerns about the economy’s instability, their household financial situation or job loss, according to consulting firm Deloitte.
Others have saved money on activities they have skipped during the pandemic, like travel and dining out, and the desire to connect with family and friends or indulge in retail therapy could lead to more spending."
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Some nationwide Black Friday news, which I found encouraging:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/27/black-friday-2020-traffic-looks-bleak-at-stores-malls.html
Black Friday 2020 looks bleak at stores, malls, as shoppers stick to couch surfing during the pandemic
I wonder how much of that is also attributed to the high unemployment and no stimulus.
According to this local piece, part of it, although another part is the movement of spending to online: https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-black-friday-shopping-coronavirus-20201127-fw4kyx6cqfamvao7asqar4xf5u-story.html
"Despite less foot traffic, sales are expected to increase between 3.6% and 5.2% this year, totaling at least $755.3 billion, according to the National Retail Federation, a trade group.
An increasing share is taking place online this season. Consumers spent $5.1 billion online on Thanksgiving, up 21.5% from last year, according to Adobe Analytics. Online spending on Black Friday could be as much as $10.6 billion, and online sales for November and December are expected to hit $189 billion, up 33% from last year, Adobe said.
Many families have faced financial challenges during the pandemic and 47% of Chicagoans surveyed in September said they expected to spend less this holiday season, with most citing concerns about the economy’s instability, their household financial situation or job loss, according to consulting firm Deloitte.
Others have saved money on activities they have skipped during the pandemic, like travel and dining out, and the desire to connect with family and friends or indulge in retail therapy could lead to more spending."
The true tale of two cities.5 -
If we can't get back to "life as usual" then what is the point of taking the vaccine? A vaccine that can have serious side effects at that. There's going to be a TON of pushback on this if true...I mean that's not what's been being told to us here in the US, until very recently, and there's going to be many who refuse to do so if we can't leave the masks and social distancing behind.
OMG!! I am not going to even respond or comment to that statement because I would be quarantined by MFP for a very long time. But if you have to ask that question, you really need to learn more about COVID-19. Happy Thanksgiving.
If you feel strongly about the vaccine then great! Take it! But we've been being told that a vaccine is our way back to normal and now the bar is being shifted again. If taking the vaccine means that we can leave the Covid restrictions behind that's awesome, but if not then yes there's going to be an issue with convincing the general public that they should take it - especially if it results in serious side effects.
I know plenty about Covid, my brother had it back in April and I work in the health field. I get Covid can be really bad for some people (though it's totally not a big deal for others, just like most diseases). How exactly do we convince people to take a vaccine that will give them side effects and not result in being able to get back to our "normal" lives? In that case we should just continue on as we have been...or at least that's how many will see it.
There are a number of diseases we hardly talk about or think about anymore, because everybody gets the vaccines as part of a routine childhood program. And certification of being up to date on the schedule is part of school entry.
So if there's a new disease and a new vaccine, why would it take so much convincing?!?! For a disease to be eradicated, it requires the vast majority of the world's population to be immune. If there is a significant number of people not pursuing immunity, there will still be too many potential carriers, and we won't see the full effect in terms of a return to normal.10 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.
@TonyB0588
do you mean "counties?" (no "r" between the t and the i) because me thinks that @snowflake954 was referring to world "countries."
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snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.
@TonyB0588
do you mean "counties?" (no "r" between the t and the i) because me thinks that @snowflake954 was referring to world "countries."
I thought Tony lived in a small island nation where there'd been a more limited spread of Coronavirus?7 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »People keep insisting that we have to do this because we can't allow people to die of Covid, but seem to not care about what is happening as a result of the restrictions.
You seem to be operating on some pretense that if the local officials did not encourage social distancing and masks, if there was no partial shut down (in many places this is simply no indoor dining/bars and reducing the number of people in stores, in others it's even less), that everything would be "normal." That's clearly not the case. Large events started to be canceled before any official shutdowns, and a lot less people than normal are going to be willing to go out and behave as if there was no virus, especially as rates and deaths would increase by a lot as people did, if local officials just did -- as you seem to want -- throw up their hands and say "everything is open 100%, act normally!" I mean, there are people who would do so as a political statement, no doubt, but the idea that everything would just be normal just doesn't seem based in reality at all.
The way things CAN be normal is if the vaccines work and we quickly get them to a high enough percentage of the population or if we had perhaps done more to prevent it getting to this widespread level of spread (for example, it seems that other than short term shut downs in response to any community spread, NZ and Aus are largely able to operate much more normally).
IMO,those who most loudly demand (including by their behavior) that we pretend this virus does not matter are the very ones who are responsible for it going on as long and as badly as it has.
This. So much this.
And yes, life in NZ is 'new normal' - https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/alert-level-1/
Basically, keep track of where you've been, maintain good hand hygiene, practice distancing where you can. Everything is open (except the border). And no, neither New Zealand or Australia achieved this by virtue of being islands with low population density (Auckland is actually hella dense, as are several cities in Aus). We achieved it by all doing what was needed, when it was needed.
I despair for the US, I really do. Because in all likelihood there are going to be too many people who refuse to get the vaccine for it to be effective. They're mostly the same people who are the reason the US is currently in such bad shape.
Hurrah for New Zealand. And I share your feelings about the great USA.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Yep--and it isn't even Christmas yet. This is dividing friends and families and causing arguments. It makes me sad. Stay safe everyone. This thing is a monster, and it's worldwide. Even countries that have been careful are seeing their COVID numbers out of control.
Not every country. Us smaller countries have been careful and continue to see good results.
@TonyB0588
do you mean "counties?" (no "r" between the t and the i) because me thinks that @snowflake954 was referring to world "countries."
He most definitely meant countries. Many of us are doing just fine. This gives a lovely graphic indication of just how much of the world is not a giant mess: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html6 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »I remember when this thread was toilet paper and eating cat food 😂😜
And I still can't understand the toilet paper issue. Was never a problem where I live.4 -
My county went to purple tier (Californina) and that meant closing of indoor gyms. We aren't complying. Becausse OUTDOOR gyms can be done in a tent with no ventilation and no requirement of cleaning the equipment. In my gym, all members HAVE to wear masks OVER NOSE AND MOUTH, all equipment has to be wiped down with disinfectant wipe after use including weights, we temp check at the door, staff goes and cleans equipment every hour, our capacity is only at 10% and we have fans and ac and ventilation going on. We also spray and industrial strength microban on our equipment everynight that gets activated when it's wiped down. And we're certified by Stonewright Biotech every 2 weeks. They measure virus, bacteria, mold, fungus at our facility and give it a rating. Anything under 100 is very clean. Hospitals usually rate at 50. Our last 2 checks were at 28.
We are in litigation with the state which is why although we've been told to shut down, we haven't because we're cleaner and adhere to safety policies better than any essential operation out there.
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Tough call here. I agree with all your arguments for staying open, but adult disobedience to authority isn't instilling the right values in the next generation of children. This is hard for me to comprehend.12
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