Coronavirus prep
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Just to clarify something: gathering outdoors wearing masks with minimized close contact is a relatively low risk behavior, and I don't believe is generally against any covid guidelines in the US, though obviously I'm not familiar with every locality's suggestions.
Crowded outdoor venues are slightly more risky, but masking up and keeping people from loitering in one spot for too long seems to mitigate risks. I do believe in some parts of the country, there are limits to outdoor crowd size though, probably so masking and distancing don't have to be policed.
It is outdoor events where people don't wear masks or distance that can become a super spreader.8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I just saw this online. I am sure that people want to spend Thanksgiving with friends and families, I do; however, it is risky. Better staying home enjoying the turkey on your own or with only people already in your bubble.
Yes, I get it is not fun and it is depressing, but I think that being in the hospital with tubes up your…. may be worse.
Don't rely on a negative test result to see your family for Thanksgiving
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/thanksgiving-family-covid-testing-wellness/index.html
My key takeaway:
"The study estimated that during four days of infection before symptoms typically started, the probability of getting an incorrect/negative test result on Day 1 was 100%."
Yes. That's why we're doing second tests a few days after a negative, for anyone who had potential exposure during overseas travel. And that's working very well for picking up some cases that may have otherwise slipped through the net.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think my work just made a mistake. In order to strongly discourage employees from either traveling out of state or having visitors from out of state for Thanksgiving or Christmas, they are requiring 14 days of quarantine if you travel or have out of state visitors...that's actually nothing new...the new wrinkle is that instead of teleworking for those 2 weeks as has been done previously, you are now required to use your annual leave and get written permission from on high to either travel or have someone out of state travel to you.
For the most part, from what I've heard around the water cooler and break room is that most people aren't planning on anything big...but so and so's kid will be visiting from Texas or so and so's husband's mom will be visiting from Arizona, etc...but by and large people don't seem to be planning large get togethers.
The punitive nature of this new mandate is already causing problems, and it's only Monday afternoon. I'm in management and I'm already getting things like, "my husband doesn't care if I have permission or not, he told me that he's not your employee and his mom will be visiting from Texas for Christmas." We also have a lot of employees with grown children who live out of state and while not planning a big tadoo for the holidays, they will be visiting back home. One of those people is our primary IT guy and he's basically said, "fine...I'll use my annual leave, but don't bother calling, because my phone and email will be off if I'm on a forced vacation." Another employee is upset because his sister lives in state, but works in southern Colorado so she commutes out of state daily and as such is considered to be an "out of state" visitor.
The bigger issue I think is that you're going to basically have a lot of people just lying about it and saying they aren't traveling or hosting out of state visitors when they really are and thus avoiding any quarantine period whatsoever, when in the past they would have complied with the quarantine period and just teleworked. On the other side, you're going to have people comply...and fully comply in that since they are on annual leave, they will not be available and responding to emails or phone calls.
We also have some new questions on our form that we fill out daily whether we are teleworking or coming to the office. Any yes answer on the form requires the employee to get a covid test and self quarantine for 14 days (can telework if their work can be done by that means)...the two added questions are do you have a runny nose or diarrhea? Fall allergies here are pretty common and just about everyone has a runny nose in the fall...that question alone just put about 70% of our workforce into quarantine starting today. I'm also hearing some chatter of people possibly using this as a work around for having to quarantine for 14 days using vacation time for having out of state visitors in that they see it as a responsible thing to quarantine...but instead of saying it's for visitors, they'll just say they have a runny nose so they can still work at home while responsibly quarantining.
I think the higher ups made a bigger mess of all of this than it already was...I'm hoping they might walk back some of it.
I am constantly shocked about how people/companies/government don't always foresee the potential unintended responses they trigger with their edicts.
Yeah...I talked with my boss yesterday about this as I have more interaction with the rank and file and told him that we went from having a pretty compliant workforce with overall positive morale to a defiant workforce with about zero morale overnight. We already had pretty strict requirements in place...but making people who can otherwise work at home in quarantine use their leave pissed everyone off.
I'd be interested to know what your boss's response was, because they don't always seem receptive to input from anybody.3 -
Yeah, it was the nurse from South Dakota.
It's not the welding mask they're skimping on, but there's a degree of interaction when the welding isn't going on and some classroom time, and that's when people aren't masking cause they don't believe in it. (sigh)4 -
Many events have been cancelled this year because of the chance of covid spread. Some, like Minnesota’s Guthrie Theatre’s annual production of “A Christmas Carol”, are going to be streamed. Nothing, re:covid, is written in stone. I would be very surprised, and extremely disappointed, if there weren’t some kind of alternative for the inauguration to take place safely. Especially since this was such a divisive issue during the campaign. I’m hoping they’ll stay true to their convictions for the very first action of this administration.6
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Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive.
I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day.
So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
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Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day. So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
Sending hugs. Did you get your test results back? How is he doing and how are you feeling?5 -
Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day. So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
*hugs* Dang. 😥 That is terrible. When my hubby got covid back in March and we knew very little, he wore his mask all the time and we have a small space as well. It was scary even then. My heart goes out to you and hope he takes it more serious.8 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day. So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
Sending hugs. Did you get your test results back? How is he doing and how are you feeling?
Results here take 5-7 days. So I'll start bugging the dr. Friday. Not sure why it takes so long? I feel fine though. Now I'm skeptical if the test will be accurate with no symptoms.
DH has a cough and that's it, TG. They said he can go back to work Monday, as long as he has no fever. He's been very very lucky handling this. He takes Statins and said he heard that they can help you have a milder case. IDK, plus he's really not that close with anyone at work, just eats lunch with a small group. So who knows?
Thanks for asking
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Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day. So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
Ouch!! That's not nice. When I was at home with my wife for 6 weeks during our working from home phase, neither of us was ill, so those issues didn't specifically arise. I believe the whole point in stay at home orders is to keep everyone within the same small group and not exposed to other people.
But apart from his bad hygiene habits, I'm hearing of lots of other people with relationship issues, who are glad for a normal work day out of the house away from their partners. That's really sad.4 -
Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day. So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
My youngest is like that when he's sick. He's just disgusting. And coming from a guy, that says a lot. But he was also a wrestler and now does MMA, so he's a bit of an animal. And I'm like a germaphobe, so we're like the Odd Couple. His mom literally would spray him with Lysol when he was sick out of aggravation. She doesn't take any guff. I think she trained me the way she liked me. Worked with me, not so much with my son. Completely whipped my rear end into shape. Maybe he's more stubborn, like her?3 -
So just broke the news to my family that I will not be joining them for Thanksgiving. I may go over later in the day to have dessert outside if the weather will allow it, but otherwise I am staying home. I just don't think it is safe to have that many people in a single house all near each other. And sadly, I can't trust that everyone will have been taking precautions in their every day life. So now I will be alone on Thanksgiving.28
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So just broke the news to my family that I will not be joining them for Thanksgiving. I may go over later in the day to have dessert outside if the weather will allow it, but otherwise I am staying home. I just don't think it is safe to have that many people in a single house all near each other. And sadly, I can't trust that everyone will have been taking precautions in their every day life. So now I will be alone on Thanksgiving.
Having dessert outside was exactly one suggestion for holiday risk mitigation I heard on the radio yesterday in a conversation with a public health official
I'm from Massachusetts (someplace with a proper winter) and lived in South Florida (tropical climate) for 7 years. Due to the vastly different weather, it never felt like Thanksgiving, my birthday, or Christmas. I lived with someone for whom these holidays were just another day to go to the beach, but didn't miss them, because it never felt like holiday season.
I normally start baking like a fiend this time of year and mail goodies to distant friends and coworkers, but am just not into it this year, perhaps because of the unseasonably warm weather that has just ended, perhaps because 2020 has been so crazy.
I'm just writing off 2020 for big family holidays and hoping next year will be better.
For those of you who might find memes about this enjoyable, come see:
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10789131/coronavirus-memes7 -
Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
Yes. That's apparently one downside of the virus for some people. Having to spend too much time together. Can't say I really understand it myself, but everyone's different I suppose.
You can only understand it from your own personal perspective. For instance, we were told to stay away from each other and always wear a mask within 6'. Sounds simple enough right? Unfortunately, 1. we have a small house 969 sq.' so not a lot of options of places to hide. 2. we have 1 bathroom 3. we both have to use the same kitchen, bathroom, living room, etc. 4. considering all the places our hands touch it's unbelievable how often I'm wiping down, cleaning, etc. throughout the day. and 5. my spouse coughs everywhere while wearing his mask around his chin, he's constantly touching his face, nose and washes his hands *maybe* 2x a day. So yeh, even though I've told him, even his kids have told him and he should know better, he still either is clueless or too lazy to do all that he should. First a.m. he got up with a fever and was coughing, I watched as he coughed all over the kitchen counter. It's in his personal hygiene make-up; maybe it was his upbringing being 1 of 8 kids and the parents both worked so never had the time to teach properly. IDK.
You see why *I* have a personally hard time being with him 24/7?? I can only obsess and do so much cleaning up after him, I've given up reminding him because then *I'm* a nag, and hoping for the best but my own personal situation brings out the resentment in me.
Just a vent for the day.
Yikes! I think I would be walking around with a can of disinfectant spray and just spraying everything... light switches, cupboard handles, sink handles, doorknobs, etc.2 -
More good news on the front to combat this from Pfizer's vaccine development effort. Updated final results indicate 95% effectiveness. I know there are many that are concerned about the potential adverse effects with the protracted development, but at this time I think the cost benefit analysis is heavily in favor of the vaccine.
The Pfizer vaccine development was not a part of Operation Warp Speed.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/18/936060122/pfizer-to-seek-fda-ok-for-covid-19-vaccine-within-days6 -
So just broke the news to my family that I will not be joining them for Thanksgiving. I may go over later in the day to have dessert outside if the weather will allow it, but otherwise I am staying home. I just don't think it is safe to have that many people in a single house all near each other. And sadly, I can't trust that everyone will have been taking precautions in their every day life. So now I will be alone on Thanksgiving.
I'm having to make the same hard decision. It really sucks because like you I am alone. My family is all in another state, and my partner is stuck across the country.18 -
I too will be alone during the Holidays- but I am determined to do the best I can to do my part during this difficult time. I will call family- facetime or google duo whatever to SEE faces if possible- eat my food- get online with you guys and make the BEST day I can- because next year WILL come- and I want all of us here to see it if possible!22
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South Dakota finally released the adult ICU bed numbers. When they included NICU the available beds were 33%, now it's 18% for adult-sized beds.5
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If you are going to be alone for Thanksgiving, it's a good time to go for a hike or a long run. You're more likely to have the trails to yourself.13
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So NYC just got switched to all remote as of tomorrow. I need a drink tonight a huge margarita. 🤦♀️😫 Also, gyms are in danger of closing as the governor might make the whole city an orange zone.9
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Just announced today that indoor dining and gyms (among other activities) are being shut down in Minnesota.
I'm not doing either, so it's not going to change things for me. It's just discouraging to see us going so far in the wrong direction in terms of number of cases.9 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »So NYC just got switched to all remote as of tomorrow. I need a drink tonight a huge margarita. 🤦♀️😫 Also, gyms are in danger of closing as the governor might make the whole city an orange zone.
Our governor (MN) is announcing stricter measures tonight at 6:00 pm. No in restaurant dining, bars closing. Other measures as well including cessation of high school sports.2 -
In regards to US Thanksgiving, today on the radio I heard a national security analyst say something along these lines:
Be thankful for healthy loved ones.
Be thankful there are vaccines around the corner.
Be thankful you will be able to get together with your loved ones next year.23 -
40% of the workers at the plant where I last worked in Iowa are out because they are sick or exposed. Some exposed people are still working, but not sure how they are determining this. Another co-worker (in Indiana) just cut a meeting (online) short to take his daughter to the ER for a severe Covid case. Several of my relatives in Nebraska had it and recovered. I'm really trying to not get infected myself, but it seems more and more difficult to avoid with every moment. If these vaccines take much longer, we may not need one because everyone will have gotten sick already.16
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T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »40% of the workers at the plant where I last worked in Iowa are out because they are sick or exposed. Some exposed people are still working, but not sure how they are determining this. Another co-worker (in Indiana) just cut a meeting (online) short to take his daughter to the ER for a severe Covid case. Several of my relatives in Nebraska had it and recovered. I'm really trying to not get infected myself, but it seems more and more difficult to avoid with every moment. If these vaccines take much longer, we may not need one because everyone will have gotten sick already.
Given that we don't know for sure how long immunity will last, an vaccine could be helpful even if a big chunk of the population has already been infected once.12 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »I think my work just made a mistake. In order to strongly discourage employees from either traveling out of state or having visitors from out of state for Thanksgiving or Christmas, they are requiring 14 days of quarantine if you travel or have out of state visitors...that's actually nothing new...the new wrinkle is that instead of teleworking for those 2 weeks as has been done previously, you are now required to use your annual leave and get written permission from on high to either travel or have someone out of state travel to you.
For the most part, from what I've heard around the water cooler and break room is that most people aren't planning on anything big...but so and so's kid will be visiting from Texas or so and so's husband's mom will be visiting from Arizona, etc...but by and large people don't seem to be planning large get togethers.
The punitive nature of this new mandate is already causing problems, and it's only Monday afternoon. I'm in management and I'm already getting things like, "my husband doesn't care if I have permission or not, he told me that he's not your employee and his mom will be visiting from Texas for Christmas." We also have a lot of employees with grown children who live out of state and while not planning a big tadoo for the holidays, they will be visiting back home. One of those people is our primary IT guy and he's basically said, "fine...I'll use my annual leave, but don't bother calling, because my phone and email will be off if I'm on a forced vacation." Another employee is upset because his sister lives in state, but works in southern Colorado so she commutes out of state daily and as such is considered to be an "out of state" visitor.
The bigger issue I think is that you're going to basically have a lot of people just lying about it and saying they aren't traveling or hosting out of state visitors when they really are and thus avoiding any quarantine period whatsoever, when in the past they would have complied with the quarantine period and just teleworked. On the other side, you're going to have people comply...and fully comply in that since they are on annual leave, they will not be available and responding to emails or phone calls.
We also have some new questions on our form that we fill out daily whether we are teleworking or coming to the office. Any yes answer on the form requires the employee to get a covid test and self quarantine for 14 days (can telework if their work can be done by that means)...the two added questions are do you have a runny nose or diarrhea? Fall allergies here are pretty common and just about everyone has a runny nose in the fall...that question alone just put about 70% of our workforce into quarantine starting today. I'm also hearing some chatter of people possibly using this as a work around for having to quarantine for 14 days using vacation time for having out of state visitors in that they see it as a responsible thing to quarantine...but instead of saying it's for visitors, they'll just say they have a runny nose so they can still work at home while responsibly quarantining.
I think the higher ups made a bigger mess of all of this than it already was...I'm hoping they might walk back some of it.
I am constantly shocked about how people/companies/government don't always foresee the potential unintended responses they trigger with their edicts.
Yeah...I talked with my boss yesterday about this as I have more interaction with the rank and file and told him that we went from having a pretty compliant workforce with overall positive morale to a defiant workforce with about zero morale overnight. We already had pretty strict requirements in place...but making people who can otherwise work at home in quarantine use their leave pissed everyone off.
I'd be interested to know what your boss's response was, because they don't always seem receptive to input from anybody.
My boss actually agrees with me, but this is coming from way above him. I work in the judiciary and the mandate came down from the state Supreme Court for all judicial employees. They're getting a lot of flack from every court in the state, but I doubt that will change anything.2 -
I'm not too sure about these vaccines, just doesn't seem like we can know the long term effects of it yet or if it will even give long term immunity. I guess we will see, but I'm iffy.
On the other hand oldest kid has been under quarantine due to exposure from stupid kids at school. Decided to make her get tested to be sure she's negative before having Thanksgiving with a family member with cancer - but with how long tests are taking in IN I'm not sure we will have them in time for Sunday sadly. Then when I get home from taking eldest to get her test, youngest is sniffling and coughing in the kitchen and when I look at him he looks ill. So now he's getting tested tomorrow even though I don't think he's actually left the house in over a month since he always goes to school online. And then of course if he's positive my husband will have to quarantine and my older 2 are now virtual learning anyway...and I'm not ready for all of us to be in the house at the same time for an extended period of time. I love them all but I don't love them that much lol (that was sarcasm....mostly, I do love them after all!).11 -
hello again from South Australia - we have gone from almost pre Covid normal a week ago to super hard lock down.
Community transmission cluster - first community transmission in SA for months - is now 23.
Apparently started from a cleaner in a quarantine hotel who also had a second job in a pizza place
6 days circuit breaker (their official announcement words) - to aid in emergency tracing as well as stop spread.
for next 6 days: nobody may leave their house unless for essential reasons.
Defined as shopping for food and essential supplies: 1 person per household per day. Working in essential services. For neccesary medical or dental care. Thats it. No other reasons.
All elective surgery cancelled. No weddings or funerals.
All gyms. cafes, restarants, pubs, churches, shops closed - Except supermarkets, chemist, banks, post offices, bottle shops(!)
all sports and even excercise outside your home: banned
Mask wearing required for all persons outside their home
Fortunately for my husband and myself, we work in essential services so we won't be going stir crazy at home.
(Our dog will though)
We will see how this goes in practice - I am in a regional town, well away from the outbreak in Adelaide (our capital city)
I dont work weekends so will have plenty of time to give detailed update on Saturday
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The unthinkable has happened here. Soccer has been canceled. Well, not all of it, just my 2nd son’s crazy competitive team canceled the end of the season bc two players have family members with Covid and a third pulled out after that. I’m surprised we lasted this long, with our county leaving its previous “bad day” # of 400 in the dust, now bouncing wildly between mid 200s to upper 600s per day (835 yesterday!).
It’s starting to feel like Covid is circling and moving ever closer. Good friends got it, now soccer folks, and a boy in one of our kid’s scout dens. Half of our local priests are quarantined after one tested positive after a diocesan meeting.
Before the last week or two, it felt a bit at arms length, but now, as they say, “this *kitten* is getting real” here.
And yet...we had to tell friends we weren’t ok with attending a 40 person party. And there’s still plans for indoor soccer season and camps, and I know other indoor sports are still continuing.14 -
paperpudding wrote: »hello again from South Australia - we have gone from almost pre Covid normal a week ago to super hard lock down.
Community transmission cluster - first community transmission in SA for months - is now 23.
Apparently started from a cleaner in a quarantine hotel who also had a second job in a pizza place
6 days circuit breaker (their official announcement words) - to aid in emergency tracing as well as stop spread.
for next 6 days: nobody may leave their house unless for essential reasons.
Defined as shopping for food and essential supplies: 1 person per household per day. Working in essential services. For neccesary medical or dental care. Thats it. No other reasons.
All elective surgery cancelled. No weddings or funerals.
All gyms. cafes, restarants, pubs, churches, shops closed - Except supermarkets, chemist, banks, post offices, bottle shops(!)
all sports and even excercise outside your home: banned
Mask wearing required for all persons outside their home
Fortunately for my husband and myself, we work in essential services so we won't be going stir crazy at home.
(Our dog will though)
We will see how this goes in practice - I am in a regional town, well away from the outbreak in Adelaide (our capital city)
I dont work weekends so will have plenty of time to give detailed update on Saturday
It will be interesting to see how this goes. I do understand given what happened with Victoria that the idea to go hard early might work better than waiting to see. I really hope the "6 day circuit breaker" works like they hope... stay safe eh 🙂6
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