Coronavirus prep
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »Here, MN, alcohol is sold only in liquor stores. 3 2 beer, and low alcohol wine cooler type beverages, are sold in grocery stores and gas stations. EVERYONE at the grocery store chain I frequent, has their id’s checked at checkout. I’ve purchased 3 2 beer for making beer cheese soup many times, and even this old grey haired lady, obviously over 21, has her id checked. WI is only 25 miles away from my house. They sell alcohol everywhere. I’ve often wondered if there are problems with underage theft of alcohol in WI, it’s so readily accessible.
Alcohol easier to get in IL vs WI. In IL sold at most grocery stores, liquor stores, convenient stores/gas stations. All package liquor sales in WI stop at 9 PM. In IL it varies by community but generally can buy package until midnight or 1AM.
During Covid, stores (even groceries) must stop selling at 9 in Chicago, since there was apparently an issue in some neighborhoods (definitely not mine) with gathering socially outside of certain liquor stores. Bars and restaurants can currently sell until 11 pm. (My general impression is that lots of people think the no liquor sales from a store past 9 thing is ridiculously overbroad, as obv no one is gathering around the Jewel.)
Pre Covid, the standard stop was 2 am, but there are some bars allowed to sell 'til 4.
I've had friends from other states shocked that everything is sold everywhere.
On the other hand, WI raised its drinking age later than most other states, so used to be a destination for those close by for that reason. I went to college in MA near the VT border, and the seniors when I was a freshman were "grandfathered in VT), so used to go there to buy alcohol. When my mom was in college, she was in WA near the border of ID (which had a lower drinking age), so the same thing happened.
Liquor laws are very local in general, and in IL one can go dry by precinct. This has been used in Chicago to attack problem bars and liquor stores -- Mayor Daley the second was really big on that, so there are little patches of dry precincts in an otherwise very wet place.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »@ReenieHJ -- I hope your husband is OK.
We should start talking more about IF you get it. I'm reading about oxygen sensors being used and the level at which you should go to the hospital.
https://www.consumerreports.org/medical-symptoms/covid-19-pulse-oximeters-oxygen-levels-faq/
Amazon has sensors as low as $17. Any other insight from people that know more than I do about science?
This is an excerpt from a news article/interview with family about the youngest person to die of Covid in our county. She was 30 with no underlying conditions. I x'ed out names for privacy.
Looks like a meter could be a good investment. I ordered one this morning for us, our children and a couple relatives:
"The first sign that she had contracted COVID-19 was a loss of taste and smell. That started the Tuesday before she passed. She got tested Wednesday, which came back positive three days later.
“Over the weekend, she was showing more symptoms. Breathing was a little bit harder, but we just thought it was something that we kind of needed to work through. I mean, it's a part of being sick. It’s just kind of got to run its course. We still weren’t all that concerned,” xxxxx said.
Come Sunday, xxxxx said, they were starting to feel a little uneasy. They called a doctor who sent them off with some prescriptions. Still, no real red flags were raised.
“Monday morning, we bought an oximeter, which clips onto your finger and tells you your oxygen levels in your blood. They're supposed to be about 95% typically—anything less, you should talk to a doctor. Her’s were 60%,” xxxxx said. “That's the moment it hits you that this is bad. This is not something that you should be handling on her own at home.”
They called an ambulance. xxxxx followed his wife to the hospital. Xxxxx was admitted to the intensive care unit. Meanwhile, her husband had to leave her at the door, in accordance with safety protocols.
Xxxxx said they put Xxxxx on a mask to help her breathe, which she initially responded well to. But things started going downhill fast that evening. Doctors put her on a ventilator that didn’t seem to be working either.
“They tried everything they could think of and some surgeries that I'd never even heard before for trying to treat COVID,” xxxxx said. “She put up a really, really good fight. But she passed away that Tuesday morning.”
That was less than 24 hours after xxxx was admitted to the ICU"
We had a 21 yr old woman die of COVID three days ago, here in Italy--no pre-existing conditions.
Why are these people dying?? Here in my little corner of the world, they all recover fully. The last death was 29th April.
Depends on which strain of the virus you get and how it develops.
Total numbers of cases too (and reporting/awareness). It has a low fatality rate outside of very old/sick people, so if you have few cases, deaths will be very rare. With many, many cases, deaths are going to happen, including some of younger people.
If you have few cases, depending on the place, there may be less testing and less awareness of deaths due to Covid. That happened in the early stages of the outbreak in many places where I'm sure we have people who died of it not classified as Covid deaths.
Not knowing where the poster lives (except apparently somewhere where they've stopped the outbreak pretty well), I can't say more than that.5 -
kshama2001 wrote: »So Hubby and I are traveling Thanksgiving weekend, but not for Thanksgiving. We need to squeeze in a trip to deal with all the construction repairs going on at our Florida Key condo which purchased a year and a half ago. Squeeze is to place it between Thanksgiving and Christmas. In each case, we wanted a quarantine period before the holiday so that the few people we might see are least at risk (ie out 2 adult children, SIL and grandson). Wondering if the timing is dumb. Will be traveling with every precaution we can take and utilizing the free Massachusetts Stop the Spread testing to assist as well.
The Wednesday before Thanksgiving is the heaviest travel day of the year, and I imagine that weekend is close second. It will probably be much less heavy this year, but still, if you could push it back a week that would probably have much less traffic.
Are you driving or flying? If flying, what carrier are you taking?
It will be flying, and if we push back then we cannot have 2 week quarantine before xmas upon our return, and unfortunately it is important we get down to examine the mess.
We are flying JetBlue, which still has the middle seats blocked out until January 9th. I am purchasing some "safety style" glasses and just purchased filter inserts to drop inside our double layer fabric masks. My sister, seattle doctor who is very concerned about COVID, actually feels that flying is not a concern because of all the precautions taken by the airlines combined with the plane's filtration system.2 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »HabitRabbit wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Oh no! That’s very concerning. Fingers crossed that it’s not Covid, or at least that you don’t get it. I don’t know what your relationship with your MIL is like or how available testing is in your area, but ideally, she’d get tested. Today if possible.
She's very 'anti-medicine' and also doesn't actually believe COVID is a big deal. She won't get tested. And if I suggested she did, she'd be even less likely to go do it.Theoldguy1 wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Per one of my son's friends who is in residency as a doctor in pulmonary critical care, the sudden almost complete lost of taste is one of the most obvious signs of Covid.
Harvard also agrees.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/app-reveals-loss-of-taste-smell-coronavirus-indicators/
Best of luck to her. She claims she has zero ability to taste. But also that she otherwise feels fine now. It's been 9 days since the onset of her symptoms, so maybe we're okay.
I'm super frustrated... I think we're going to quarantine as a precaution, which means cancelling dental appointments and meetings at work for the next few weeks. She's completely unconcerned about potentially causing others to get sick, and it makes me want to shake her. Her son (my hubby) has previously been diagnosed with an issue which makes the possibility of getting COVID somewhat concerning - and she potentially brought it here.
Sorry, just venting.
There aren’t a whole lot of reasons to feel completely fine and not be able to taste other than Covid. It’s possible to temporarily lose taste due to a cold and nasal swelling, but you would know your nose was stopped up.
I would suggest you get tested since it seems pretty certain you were exposed. You can be asymptomatic.
Can’t believe she would act as a driver for others deliberately exposing them when she knew she was sick. It makes me want to shake her too. Hope you and your husband and the Amish are all okay.
Editing because I went back and reread and this is important: GET HER OUT OF YOUR HOUSE NOW SERIOUSLY.
When I first responded I wasn’t paying attention to the timeline you gave. The average time from onset of symptoms to hospitalization is eight or nine days, in cases which turn out to be severe, and nine days after onset and still coughing is not good odds for being over it. If your husband is high risk, being polite is not worth his life. Go stay in a hotel with your husband and let her have the house if you have to. Get the heck away from her.19 -
Just a local FWIW update: One of the two big health care systems here (in mid-sized city, Michigan, USA) has just returned Covid tests to a more restrictive basis.
It had been on an "all come" basis over the summer, now it's back to people being "required to receive a test order from a qualified medical provider OR self-order a test through the (health system) app using the Symptom Screening tool." One of their drive-through sites (the one I used a couple months ago because shorter lines 😉) is now limited strictly to pre-operative or pre-procedure test requirements.
I don't know what indications in the screening tool qualify a person for a test (or maybe it's just a formality hurdle to limit request volume). They haven't - that I know of - specifically said that this is due to the dramatic increase in cases/hospitalizations locally lately, so some need to ration to higher-need people . . . but that's my assumption.3 -
Just a local FWIW update: One of the two big health care systems here (in mid-sized city, Michigan, USA) has just returned Covid tests to a more restrictive basis.
It had been on an "all come" basis over the summer, now it's back to people being "required to receive a test order from a qualified medical provider OR self-order a test through the (health system) app using the Symptom Screening tool." One of their drive-through sites (the one I used a couple months ago because shorter lines 😉) is now limited strictly to pre-operative or pre-procedure test requirements.
I don't know what indications in the screening tool qualify a person for a test (or maybe it's just a formality hurdle to limit request volume). They haven't - that I know of - specifically said that this is due to the dramatic increase in cases/hospitalizations locally lately, so some need to ration to higher-need people . . . but that's my assumption.
I've been reading some people get $1000 bills for the test and others get it free. I think talking about how to get it free, or the best resources to do that, is imporant. Yeah, I would think that the amount of tests is likely to be getting low with all of it going around right now.
Still social distancing, no gyms, no inside restaurants or family gatherings for us. Boring, depressing but safe. My wife did meet another friend and she went to lunch with her the other day out on a patio. She's been more depressed than me (but overall, we have nothing to complain about) because she's more of a social butterfly and I'm more of a natural introvert. Give me my dogs and cats and something to read and I'm good. We also are fortunate in we have some lovely mountain views and I love to work out.7 -
So Hubby and I are traveling Thanksgiving weekend, but not for Thanksgiving. We need to squeeze in a trip to deal with all the construction repairs going on at our Florida Key condo which purchased a year and a half ago. Squeeze is to place it between Thanksgiving and Christmas. In each case, we wanted a quarantine period before the holiday so that the few people we might see are least at risk (ie out 2 adult children, SIL and grandson). Wondering if the timing is dumb. Will be traveling with every precaution we can take and utilizing the free Massachusetts Stop the Spread testing to assist as well.
I guess it depends a lot on your mode of travel. In an RV that you cook, sleep, and eliminate bodily waste in? Pretty much like starting home.
Driving, staying in hotels/motels, relying on food you packed or carryout, minimizing public restroom use, maximizing good hygiene practices? Low to moderate risk.
Flying? Here the problem is not just flying and the potential for idiots who take their masks off in-flight, but all the crowded lines and waiting areas you have to spend time in. I'm not ready to do that yet.6 -
HabitRabbit wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Oh no! That’s very concerning. Fingers crossed that it’s not Covid, or at least that you don’t get it. I don’t know what your relationship with your MIL is like or how available testing is in your area, but ideally, she’d get tested. Today if possible.
Strange, I don't see JustSomeEm's post, just your response to it. Wanted to send hugs/best wishes. Hope you stay well for the stuffed ham (yum!).0 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »HabitRabbit wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Oh no! That’s very concerning. Fingers crossed that it’s not Covid, or at least that you don’t get it. I don’t know what your relationship with your MIL is like or how available testing is in your area, but ideally, she’d get teste Today if possible.
She's very 'anti-medicine' and also doesn't actually believe COVID is a big deal. She won't get tested. And if I suggested she did, she'd be even less likely to go do it.Theoldguy1 wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Per one of my son's friends who is in residency as a doctor in pulmonary critical care, the sudden almost complete lost of taste is one of the most obvious signs of Covid.
Harvard also agrees.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/app-reveals-loss-of-taste-smell-coronavirus-indicators/
Best of luck to her. She claims she has zero ability to taste. But also that she otherwise feels fine now. It's been 9 days since the onset of her symptoms, so maybe we're okay.
I'm super frustrated... I think we're going to quarantine as a precaution, which means cancelling dental appointments and meetings at work for the next few weeks. She's completely unconcerned about potentially causing others to get sick, and it makes me want to shake her. Her son (my hubby) has previously been diagnosed with an issue which makes the possibility of getting COVID somewhat concerning - and she potentially brought it here.
Sorry, just venting.
Don't want to suggest negative things about her, but is there any chance she knows loss of smell is a covid symptom and she's saying this just to yank your chain? Your remark about how she would be less likely to get tested if you suggested it makes me think it's a possibility.
But, yeah, be careful, be safe as you can. I've gone through two self-imposed quarantines so far (once for contact with someone who thought they had it but tested negative, once for someone who tested positive but I came through the quarantine period without developing symptoms), and it's not fun. Best of luck.3 -
kshama2001 wrote: »So Hubby and I are traveling Thanksgiving weekend, but not for Thanksgiving. We need to squeeze in a trip to deal with all the construction repairs going on at our Florida Key condo which purchased a year and a half ago. Squeeze is to place it between Thanksgiving and Christmas. In each case, we wanted a quarantine period before the holiday so that the few people we might see are least at risk (ie out 2 adult children, SIL and grandson). Wondering if the timing is dumb. Will be traveling with every precaution we can take and utilizing the free Massachusetts Stop the Spread testing to assist as well.
The Wednesday before Thanksgiving is the heaviest travel day of the year, and I imagine that weekend is close second. It will probably be much less heavy this year, but still, if you could push it back a week that would probably have much less traffic.
Are you driving or flying? If flying, what carrier are you taking?
It will be flying, and if we push back then we cannot have 2 week quarantine before xmas upon our return, and unfortunately it is important we get down to examine the mess.
We are flying JetBlue, which still has the middle seats blocked out until January 9th. I am purchasing some "safety style" glasses and just purchased filter inserts to drop inside our double layer fabric masks. My sister, seattle doctor who is very concerned about COVID, actually feels that flying is not a concern because of all the precautions taken by the airlines combined with the plane's filtration system.
Just remember to be careful within the airport and any other crowded places you go, too.
Best wishes.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »So Hubby and I are traveling Thanksgiving weekend, but not for Thanksgiving. We need to squeeze in a trip to deal with all the construction repairs going on at our Florida Key condo which purchased a year and a half ago. Squeeze is to place it between Thanksgiving and Christmas. In each case, we wanted a quarantine period before the holiday so that the few people we might see are least at risk (ie out 2 adult children, SIL and grandson). Wondering if the timing is dumb. Will be traveling with every precaution we can take and utilizing the free Massachusetts Stop the Spread testing to assist as well.
I guess it depends a lot on your mode of travel. In an RV that you cook, sleep, and eliminate bodily waste in? Pretty much like starting home.
Driving, staying in hotels/motels, relying on food you packed or carryout, minimizing public restroom use, maximizing good hygiene practices? Low to moderate risk.
Flying? Here the problem is not just flying and the potential for idiots who take their masks off in-flight, but all the crowded lines and waiting areas you have to spend time in. I'm not ready to do that yet.
I get what you are saying. It's bit of a quandary.
edit: just saw your next post. Thanks for the well wishes. I do wish that for myself, but also I have no wish to spread it to someone else.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »So Hubby and I are traveling Thanksgiving weekend, but not for Thanksgiving. We need to squeeze in a trip to deal with all the construction repairs going on at our Florida Key condo which purchased a year and a half ago. Squeeze is to place it between Thanksgiving and Christmas. In each case, we wanted a quarantine period before the holiday so that the few people we might see are least at risk (ie out 2 adult children, SIL and grandson). Wondering if the timing is dumb. Will be traveling with every precaution we can take and utilizing the free Massachusetts Stop the Spread testing to assist as well.
I guess it depends a lot on your mode of travel. In an RV that you cook, sleep, and eliminate bodily waste in? Pretty much like starting home.
Driving, staying in hotels/motels, relying on food you packed or carryout, minimizing public restroom use, maximizing good hygiene practices? Low to moderate risk.
Flying? Here the problem is not just flying and the potential for idiots who take their masks off in-flight, but all the crowded lines and waiting areas you have to spend time in. I'm not ready to do that yet.
I get what you are saying. It's bit of a quandary.
edit: just saw your next post. Thanks for the well wishes. I do wish that for myself, but also I have no wish to spread it to someone else.
I like what Lynn just said. If you can then hire an RV. It's the safest way to go.6 -
JustSomeEm wrote: »HabitRabbit wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Oh no! That’s very concerning. Fingers crossed that it’s not Covid, or at least that you don’t get it. I don’t know what your relationship with your MIL is like or how available testing is in your area, but ideally, she’d get tested. Today if possible.
She's very 'anti-medicine' and also doesn't actually believe COVID is a big deal. She won't get tested. And if I suggested she did, she'd be even less likely to go do it.Theoldguy1 wrote: »JustSomeEm wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »spiriteagle99 wrote: »The anemia is probably running related. A lot of runners get low iron. I am definitely a red meat eater but it doesn't seem to help. I have been supplementing my iron and got it up a few points over the past two years, but am still low enough for it to affect my running.
I finally broke it to my husband that we aren't going to MD for Thanksgiving. The family was very understanding, and probably pretty relieved since he is such high risk. DH wanted to go anyway, but I'm not risking it, especially since both Pennsylvania and Maryland are getting daily records right now -- and the holiday hasn't even happened yet.
Is it the part of Maryland where coleslaw is a mandatory Thanksgiving side dish, and the ham is stuffed with greens?
I'm in that part of Maryland, and the stuffed ham is delicious (if done right)... and we may be home quarantining (or sick) for Thanksgiving.
My MIL drives for the Amish. The Amish folks where she's from are closely tied to the Amish from around here, so when she has an extended trip to this area, she stays with us. She got here last night, and informed us that last Friday she became unable to smell or taste, then came down with intestinal issues. Apparently she was in bed from Friday to Tuesday, and only crawled out of bed to take some of her local Amish on a trip. She is still sick and still can't taste or smell, and I just heard her downstairs coughing.
If she has COVID, she's like a one woman super-spreader event. I wonder how many people she's potentially gotten sick driving them all over the place.
Per one of my son's friends who is in residency as a doctor in pulmonary critical care, the sudden almost complete lost of taste is one of the most obvious signs of Covid.
Harvard also agrees.
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2020/06/app-reveals-loss-of-taste-smell-coronavirus-indicators/
Best of luck to her. She claims she has zero ability to taste. But also that she otherwise feels fine now. It's been 9 days since the onset of her symptoms, so maybe we're okay.
I'm super frustrated... I think we're going to quarantine as a precaution, which means cancelling dental appointments and meetings at work for the next few weeks. She's completely unconcerned about potentially causing others to get sick, and it makes me want to shake her. Her son (my hubby) has previously been diagnosed with an issue which makes the possibility of getting COVID somewhat concerning - and she potentially brought it here.
Sorry, just venting.
I hope you are OK..
smh..its so frustrating when you hear stories like this😒 she could have potentially infected so many people... not to mention her own family.8 -
1,000,000 new cases in the US last week.
Please people, follow the guidelines. Wear a mask, social distance, and good hand washing techniques.10 -
COVID has been in Italy since September 2019. A study was done on screening for lung tumors done between Sept 2019 and March 2020. The study was done by the Institute for Tumors in Milan. Analyzing the blood samples of 959 people, all asymptomatic, 11% had antibodies of COVID- 14% in Sept, 30% the second week of Feb 2020. The largest number were in Northern Italy.10
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In some tentative good news against the coronavirus, a second vaccine trial by Moderns using a similar method to the Pfizer vaccine but without the need to keep extremely cold is also showing high effectiveness.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/16/935239294/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-shines-in-clinical-trial9 -
Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.36 -
Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
I'm hoping he gets better soon. I'm reading more about CBD Oil as a potential therapeutic agent for the lungs. I always have some here because of my wife's fibromyalgia, but there are several indications it can mitigate lung damage from Covid-19. Plus, it's cheap and readily available.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-cbd-lung-covid-peptide.html#:~:text=Synthetic agonists that increase apelin levels exist and,be a natural apelin agonist, the researchers say.1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »So Hubby and I are traveling Thanksgiving weekend, but not for Thanksgiving. We need to squeeze in a trip to deal with all the construction repairs going on at our Florida Key condo which purchased a year and a half ago. Squeeze is to place it between Thanksgiving and Christmas. In each case, we wanted a quarantine period before the holiday so that the few people we might see are least at risk (ie out 2 adult children, SIL and grandson). Wondering if the timing is dumb. Will be traveling with every precaution we can take and utilizing the free Massachusetts Stop the Spread testing to assist as well.
The Wednesday before Thanksgiving is the heaviest travel day of the year, and I imagine that weekend is close second. It will probably be much less heavy this year, but still, if you could push it back a week that would probably have much less traffic.
Are you driving or flying? If flying, what carrier are you taking?
It will be flying, and if we push back then we cannot have 2 week quarantine before xmas upon our return, and unfortunately it is important we get down to examine the mess.
We are flying JetBlue, which still has the middle seats blocked out until January 9th. I am purchasing some "safety style" glasses and just purchased filter inserts to drop inside our double layer fabric masks. My sister, seattle doctor who is very concerned about COVID, actually feels that flying is not a concern because of all the precautions taken by the airlines combined with the plane's filtration system.
I saw on the news yesterday that airlines are predicting Thanksgiving week to be the most heavily traveled since March and thought of you
Living in MA now and having lived in FL I'm interested in hearing how people complied with mask usage in line at the airports in the different states.
I'm very sensitive to air quality and in the past have noticed a big improvement when in flight vs sitting on the tarmac and hope airlines have changed that practice these days to create more air flow when waiting to take off.4 -
Well, son of a biscuit, dh just got a call back from his dr. and he tested positive. I think he was as surprised as I was. I'm hoping and praying the viral load he received during exposure was very little. So far, he's had a low grade fever 2 days, and a cough that hasn't been too bad. He started with symptoms last Tuesday night so keeping my fingers crossed it doesn't progress into anything worse.
So now I'm waiting for a call from my dr. so I can schedule a test.
I think the worse news that dh got was he cannot return to work until after the 25th and he has to have 3 days of being symptom free. He's going completely nutso being home and being with me.
On the plus side, if he's well enough to be nutso about being home with you, he's not very sick
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So I'm watching Season 1 of "Counterpart" from 2017 and the PSA about mask wearing was really freaky to watch...0
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The_Enginerd wrote: »In some tentative good news against the coronavirus, a second vaccine trial by Moderns using a similar method to the Pfizer vaccine but without the need to keep extremely cold is also showing high effectiveness.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/16/935239294/modernas-covid-19-vaccine-shines-in-clinical-trial
And the fact that they are slightly different vaccines, manufactured by diff companies, and being tested in separate trials and both starting to show better than expected data is also tentatively good as well!9 -
OK, this was pretty interesting:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/11/16/covid-19-immunocompromised-kids
All those folks trying to "boost their immune systems" to prevent severe Covid . . . might want to stop? (<= that sentence is a joke, folks. The report is not a joke, though it is somewhat preliminary/speculative.)
ETA: Audio's not posted there yet, will be soon. I needed to post this, before I forget: Apologies.1 -
OK, this was pretty interesting:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/11/16/covid-19-immunocompromised-kids
All those folks trying to "boost their immune systems" to prevent severe Covid . . . might want to stop? (<= that sentence is a joke, folks. The report is not a joke, though it is somewhat preliminary/speculative.)
I guess it makes sense. If you're immunocompromised, presumably you're not going to have the cytokine storm immune response, so that's one serious problem off the table.3 -
I just saw this online. I am sure that people want to spend Thanksgiving with friends and families, I do; however, it is risky. Better staying home enjoying the turkey on your own or with only people already in your bubble.
Yes, I get it is not fun and it is depressing, but I think that being in the hospital with tubes up your…. may be worse.
Don't rely on a negative test result to see your family for Thanksgiving
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/thanksgiving-family-covid-testing-wellness/index.html
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I just saw this online. I am sure that people want to spend Thanksgiving with friends and families, I do; however, it is risky. Better staying home enjoying the turkey on your own or with only people already in your bubble.
Yes, I get it is not fun and it is depressing, but I think that being in the hospital with tubes up your…. may be worse.
Don't rely on a negative test result to see your family for Thanksgiving
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/thanksgiving-family-covid-testing-wellness/index.html
My key takeaway:
"The study estimated that during four days of infection before symptoms typically started, the probability of getting an incorrect/negative test result on Day 1 was 100%."7 -
OK, this was pretty interesting:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/11/16/covid-19-immunocompromised-kids
All those folks trying to "boost their immune systems" to prevent severe Covid . . . might want to stop? (<= that sentence is a joke, folks. The report is not a joke, though it is somewhat preliminary/speculative.)
ETA: Audio's not posted there yet, will be soon. I needed to post this, before I forget: Apologies.
Audio up now
For those who don't like long audio, it's only 5:49 minutes.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »OK, this was pretty interesting:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/11/16/covid-19-immunocompromised-kids
All those folks trying to "boost their immune systems" to prevent severe Covid . . . might want to stop? (<= that sentence is a joke, folks. The report is not a joke, though it is somewhat preliminary/speculative.)
I guess it makes sense. If you're immunocompromised, presumably you're not going to have the cytokine storm immune response, so that's one serious problem off the table.
I'd been wondering about that ever since first hearing that cytokine storms (immune overreaction) were part of the problem in (some) severe cases. It's interesting to see some actual expert opinion go in that direction.
I've also used the "cytokine storms are immune overreaction" idea to poke a bit at people among my acquaintenance who were "boosting their immune systems" via all kinds of pseudo-science (often ignoring core things like bodyweight, nutrition), because in some respects I'm really Not A Nice Person.😬🤷♀️
(Favorite old guru-on-mountaintop cartoon: "There are many paths to the well of truth. I prefer sarcasm, myself.")7 -
I just saw this online. I am sure that people want to spend Thanksgiving with friends and families, I do; however, it is risky. Better staying home enjoying the turkey on your own or with only people already in your bubble.
Yes, I get it is not fun and it is depressing, but I think that being in the hospital with tubes up your…. may be worse.
Don't rely on a negative test result to see your family for Thanksgiving
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/thanksgiving-family-covid-testing-wellness/index.html
If my family thinks I will share any of my turkey, then they don't know me very well.7 -
kshama2001 wrote: »OK, this was pretty interesting:
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/11/16/covid-19-immunocompromised-kids
All those folks trying to "boost their immune systems" to prevent severe Covid . . . might want to stop? (<= that sentence is a joke, folks. The report is not a joke, though it is somewhat preliminary/speculative.)
ETA: Audio's not posted there yet, will be soon. I needed to post this, before I forget: Apologies.
Audio up now
For those who don't like long audio, it's only 5:49 minutes.
As a patient with 2 autoimmune diseases already, now I'm concerned this could trigger more. We have seen that, in fact, some Covid patients have had autoimmune diseases triggered (including type 1 diabetes).6
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