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That Tuscaloosa Alabama story has got to be the riskiest and dumbest thing I've heard yet. Ok, maybe not but it ranks up there. This isn't a game people. Do you not see how sick some are getting from this? How it affects young and old, compromised systems as well as completely healthy people?? Argh. Yes, make masks mandatory. Just do it.
Our local newspaper has a story earlier this week, about an annual festival being held at a campground last Saturday. While many events this summer had been cancelled, this one had not. The picture showed no masks and no social-distancing with many many people present. Their mindset is "live and let live, don't hurt others, and don't tell me what to do." But what happens if you're inadvertently hurting others by not doing such a simple act as wearing a mask? As AnnPT77 shared above, we can all see how quickly the virus spreads.
That event that was only about 30 minutes away, plus a sidewalk sale atmosphere the same day in our small town, will likely increase our numbers of cases. The number of out of state tourists have dramatically increased too. :Covid has only just begun, IMO. And the people who have not played safely with it have only themselves to blame. Again, IMO.7 -
Unfortunately, in the US, states that were stricter early on have not necessarily done better than states that were more lax. I'm not saying that because I opposed my own state's strict approach -- indeed, I supported it, and was frustrated that it didn't seem to matter (and am annoyed the country was not pushing masks early on). But I suspect it's more to do with differences between the states (or areas within the states), such as how early the virus became community spread (I think in parts of the US that was clearly well before we saw more than a few cases, similar to Italy). It's also, unfortunately, becoming financially non feasible in many cases, absent relief from the fed gov't (same with the unemployment situation).
The homeless I see do have masks.
However, I was downtown again today and there were a ton of tourists in (from the burbs or even farther away) and they were walking Michigan Ave without masks. At least, they are strictly enforcing masks in buildings downtown from what I've seen.
Young people especially were breaking the rules in bars and restaurants last weekend (too much like the scene the weekend before St Patrick's Day that led to restaurants and bars here being shut down in the first place). Threat now is that if restaurants and bars don't make sure the rules about social distancing and occupancy are followed, and that includes not letting people line up down the street (which they were, without masks), they will lose their licenses for a while.5 -
Unfortunately, in the US, states that were stricter early on have not necessarily done better than states that were more lax. I'm not saying that because I opposed my own state's strict approach -- indeed, I supported it, and was frustrated that it didn't seem to matter (and am annoyed the country was not pushing masks early on). But I suspect it's more to do with differences between the states (or areas within the states), such as how early the virus became community spread (I think in parts of the US that was clearly well before we saw more than a few cases, similar to Italy). It's also, unfortunately, becoming financially non feasible in many cases, absent relief from the fed gov't (same with the unemployment situation).
The homeless I see do have masks.
However, I was downtown again today and there were a ton of tourists in (from the burbs or even farther away) and they were walking Michigan Ave without masks. At least, they are strictly enforcing masks in buildings downtown from what I've seen.
Young people especially were breaking the rules in bars and restaurants last weekend (too much like the scene the weekend before St Patrick's Day that led to restaurants and bars here being shut down in the first place). Threat now is that if restaurants and bars don't make sure the rules about social distancing and occupancy are followed, and that includes not letting people line up down the street (which they were, without masks), they will lose their licenses for a while.
It may be my Pollyanna streak talking, but it seems - from reading newspaper reports and such - as if there's a certain "scared straight" thing happening within the East Lansing restaurants/bars, since that big jump in cases from the one bar. That includes at least one formal resolution of their association (not sure if it was an emergency meeting, or a regular one).
I'm not saying the businesses weren't trying hard before (some were), but the rhetoric is up a notch, some have re-closed, there's been a drop in patronage because the public's sensible segment is staying away from the whole area so the restaurants' business dropped, they started having additional staffing problems (combination of staff fears and some quarantined because they visited the "problem" place), and more. So, the outbreak has had consequences and side effects besides sick people: PR and economics.
This - the economic/logistical side effects and their recognition and action - may be more likely to happen here than where you are. East Lansing is a smaller community, lots of bars/restaurants close together because of the university, and lots of publicity because cases had been dropping pretty low beforehand, and it's a smaller media market (less diffused) in the first place.
It seems conceivable - and I hope - that a certain amount of learning is taking place, and some resolve solidifying as a result. We'll see.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Not sure what you are talking about. Many city police dept. are 1/3 to half of the city budget. Then there is county, state, and federal law enforcement. I've never heard that the government can't figure out how to collect fines and don't see why that changes now.3 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
What we really need is for the people to stop being such unmitigated a-holes. So many people claiming to be true patriots and followers of Christ, but can't be bothered to protect their fellow Americans. They want to get the economy going but won't do what it takes to keep it from shutting down again. It would be amusing if it weren't an actual crisis.
Yes, but I don't believe for a second that people will change their ways willingly. My suggestion for steep fines is to leave them no choice. Since they won't do the right thing on their own, they will have to be forced.4 -
Here in CA with spiking cases and new shutdowns, doing the best we can!
Speaking of COVID, I found out yesterday that my therapist has a patient who tested positive and they closed the facility down for about 5 days and tested all the therapists and staff. I missed one day of therapy when they cancelled my appt and I asked the receptionist if it was COVID related and she said no and that they would tell me if it was, liar! Luckily, everyone tested negative and I wasn't there the same time as his patient so I think I'm safe. Both of the therapists I worked with this week told me about it. Just a reminder of how quickly things can change though. The therapists all wear masks and change gloves with each patient and of course sanitize everything between patients so hopefully it will be just the one patient who presumably got it somewhere else. Hopefully he'll be okay, poor guy.
I've made an executive decision and decided to swim this weekend, I've never missed swimming on July 4th since we bought this house in 1987 and it's only 4 days earlier than my surgeon (hip replacement surgery) recommended so I think It'll be okay. I need something to cheer me up and look forward to this weekend so I'm going with swimming, a couple of margaritas and loud music. Just the 2 of us though compared to our normal 20+ crowd on the 4th!
Hope you're all doing well and looking forward to something this weekend!9 -
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
This article is about influenza, but influenza is very much like covid in the fact that it is a contagious respiratory disease.
Thoughts?1 -
Pennsylvania has expanded the mask order here, possibly because so many thought that once we went to Green phase (mostly open) it was no longer a requirement. Anyone in public must wear a mask if they can't stay 6 feet apart. The Governor said they didn't intend to use police to enforce the rule; instead they would rely on the "good sense and cooperative spirit" of the public. Right! Good luck with that.4
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GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."3 -
This outrageous!!!
Woman spits on 7-Eleven counter after being asked to wear a mask
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/07/02/7-eleven-mask-incident-viral-video-spits-counter/5368869002/5 -
baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
I'm so sorry. I'd pick you up and bring you here. No cases for now till the tourists show up I'm guessing. Everyone wants to come to Queensland worst luck. Hoping we keep boarders closed. Doubt it'll happen. Yeah.. come up and give us Covid.
You can open the borders but put restrictions in place. We expect tourists from next week, but they MUST have a test before traveling, and bring a COVID-free certificate to show at Immigration and Customs.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
Exactly!! That's how it is where I live. It is impossible to enter any retail store without a mask. You simply won't be allowed inside. This along with the temperature check and hand sanitizer stations at the door.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
I think there others that agree with you. Law enforcement has been neutered and all parties are out to do what they want when they want. It's like "I did it my way" is playing in everyone's head and the Woodstock mindset of 50 years ago still rules. This morning I noticed our local Walmart didn't have anyone monitoring the only entrance when I went in or came out. Their COVID-19 limit on inside shoppers is 1000 and the last trip I asked the door monitor how many were in the store and I was told 146.
What is blowing my mind locally is how few seem to grasp that the risk of dying from COVID-19 is the highest ever.2 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
Exactly!! That's how it is where I live. It is impossible to enter any retail store without a mask. You simply won't be allowed inside. This along with the temperature check and hand sanitizer stations at the door.
Here too where they have the resources for that (large chain stores, my local grocery and 7-11 (where cops hang out, I think it's one of the bathrooms they use), and of course buildings downtown). I think local stores have problems enforcing, since they don't have enough employees to dedicate to monitoring that or security. I haven't seen problems inside stores here, but have seen videos from all over the US showing non compliant morons. We also generally have hand sanitizers at the door and are wiping off carts and baskets.
The temperature check thing we are doing at my office and I think it's kind of stupid. First of all, I don't think the forehead thermometers are actually accurate, and second, many are contagious without temperatures and if you have a temperature you likely have symptoms.4 -
baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
I'm so sorry. I'd pick you up and bring you here. No cases for now till the tourists show up I'm guessing. Everyone wants to come to Queensland worst luck. Hoping we keep boarders closed. Doubt it'll happen. Yeah.. come up and give us Covid.
You can open the borders but put restrictions in place. We expect tourists from next week, but they MUST have a test before traveling, and bring a COVID-free certificate to show at Immigration and Customs.
I take it by the reference to Immigration and Customs that you are talking about international tourists.
Australia, where mockchoc and I live, is a long way from accepting international tourists.
I think mockchoc was talking more state borders , especially since she said ' come up and give us Covid ' ie come up from southern states NSW and Victoria where Covid is still very active.
safe states here have closed their borders to other states - we may start opening to other safe states at some point.
I would like to go on holiday to Whitsunday islands ( northern Queensland) - may be possible in a few months from South Australia, also safe state.
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This outrageous!!!
Woman spits on 7-Eleven counter after being asked to wear a mask
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2020/07/02/7-eleven-mask-incident-viral-video-spits-counter/5368869002/
https://freekeene.com/2020/06/29/porcfest-2020-is-over-is-today-the-eighth-or-first-day-of-forkfest-2020-you-decide/
Yessiree, people like her and the ones who openly attend events as posted in this newspaper......they certainly can be trusted to do what's right.
When I first heard about the Porcfest Freedom Festival, I was wondering what kind of people attended and what their objectives were. After reading the comments, I got a good impression.
I'm expecting our current rates to start jumping all over the effin place. NH and VT are scenic, quiet, serene places to live and watching tourism boom right now, with people fleeing the cities and chaos of life for here.....makes me extremely nervous. Covid-19 is NOT going to sneak away or die down(despite what some leaders say!!) without people's adhering to some common sense. And obviously, some people have zero.
PLEASE don't be so selfish through all of this to only think of yourselves. You are living in a world with other humans. That entitlement of some that we always hear about? Going to be the death of us.7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »baconslave wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »The Tuscaloosa Alabama story -- students having Covid-19 parties, with a known infected person, putting money into a pot and the first one to officially "get it" gets the money -- makes me believe that we are the dumbest country in history. Sorry, there's no other way to look at it.
Went out to another outdoor concert last night, much better band this time. AZ rates are soaring. Only states worse are TX and CA, where my kids live! We went out again last night to eat and ate on a patio again.
I've resigned myself that there is no "back to normal" unless they find a vaccine for this. Or it could mutate so much that it won't be nearly as deadly. But once school is back in session, in the Fall, which I think is a terrible idea BTW, 1.5M dead doesn't seem too outrageous now. Perhaps 2M. The numbers don't lie. 5% have been infected and 130K dead. Multiply X 13. That's the point at which they say we will have herd immunity.
Our response as a country has been a pathetic combination of finger pointing, selfishness and incompetence.
Yep.
My sister lives in Houston, and I'm here in northeast TN, which is itchin' to catch up to TX. We have in this country a large population of entitled, uncaring, thoughtless, brats of widely varying ages. I have friends (30s & 40s), inlaws (60s), a 19-year-old sister-in-law, aunts and uncles (50s-70s) who are being so belligerent, selfish and ignorant. They are proof that unfortunately we can't just blame the lack of leadership of our government. Though they have certainly contributed greatly.
Totally agree. We need a national mask law with steep penalties. And strict enforcement.
With no or reduced funding for enforcement in the USA who's going to be the enforcement ?
Enforcement doesn't have to take the form of immediate physical restraint , tasering, and/or arrest. It can be in the form of consequences, such as "no-shop" lists like the "no-fly" lists airlines are saying they'll use for customers who won't wear masks. "No shirt, no shoes, no mask, no service."
How do you keep and track a "no shop list" for a Wal-Mart Supercenter, large grocery store, etc? Does the greeter ask everyone for an ID when they come to the entrance then check it to a database?3 -
ExistingFish wrote: »https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
This article is about influenza, but influenza is very much like covid in the fact that it is a contagious respiratory disease.
Thoughts?
I'm really interested to hear the opinions on those who want to mandate face masks:
Face Mask
In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.
Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.1 -
Didn't you post that yesterday?
I think we've already acknowledged that the non-pharmaceutical methods (and not just face masks) are not 100% effective. Even if they're only 5% effective, that's 5% more people NOT getting sick.
It's not a perfect solution.
There is no perfect solution.
We're just trying to space out the infection rate so everything doesn't go to Hell in a handbasket at once.
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Those studies all acknowledge the imperfect data collection, too.
Virtually the ONLY non-pharm intervention that IS possible to mandate is mask wearing. So at least it would keep people thinking about this if they're seeing masks everywhere.
It's not going to be forever. What's the big deal about wearing a mask in a store??10
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