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Happy Thanksgiving! Quick reminder to stay civil, avoid delving into politics, be respectful and no promoting conspiracy theories.
Sorry trying not to laugh. Some people don't know what reality is. Everyone is not out to get you you know. Read the scientific facts. Go visit a hospital to see this is not all bull twaddle , see what the nurses are going through. Then be of use instead of a dumbass to those in need if at all possible. Get your blinders off. Get vaccinated when you are able to to stop the spread if you want a "normal" life ever again or deal with it never being how it was again if most won't get the vaccine. Have fun, I won't be there. Yay. I'll stay here.1 -
Just turned on the TV and the NY Macy's Thanksgiving day parade is on. Only saw one float before going to ad and writing this. But, for that float with handlers walking shoulder to shoulder and only a few feet apart, no one had on a mask. How is this permitted? Don't say testing, because in any other situation, testing would not be deemed adaquate. So tired of the do as I say........
My understanding is the parade only walked down that one block outside of Macy's for the tv cameras. And test/quarantine/test is what has been used this whole time for entertainment and sporting events. A short time outside unmasked if testing and quarantine protocols were followed would be relatively low risk I think. But I didn't watch it so I'm not sure.
Im not at all criticizing your frustration, theres so much frustrating hypocrisy out there around this and it's hard to stomach when you are giving stuff up and constantly seeing people who don't have to.
It seems like a decision has been made to take small risks and use valuable resources to provide entertainment to people through this. On the surface they say it's to help things seem normal and give us something to enjoy while we stay home, but I assume it's just about the money. I admit I've been a little hypocritical myself, because I don't think it's a good use of tests and other resources and I think it sets a bad example, but I've been watching all of it anyway
In some cases, I wish entertainment would be a bit more "hygiene theater" about some of these things, though I guess that's putting it in an extreme way. What I mean is that I understand that in some entertainment contexts they're doing many things behind the scenes to keep performers (or athletes, etc.) safe, like tests, bubbles, etc. . . . but when what's presented visibly isn't what's asked of us, people get an implicit message from that, and it's potentially a bad subliminal influence (on the surface, looks like hypocrisy).
Some performative hygiene measures, the things that the general public is asked to do as much as possible, where it doesn't literally *prevent* the event . . . that could be socially useful, in addition to the behind-the-scenes invisible precautions that keep the performers safe. Making the invisible visible (regular announcements, credits, etc.) might also be be helpful.
Subliminal messages can matter.
I am a longtime fan of the British series Coronation Street. When the UK went into full lockdown earlier this year they ceased filming and reduced the number of episodes airing weekly from three to five. When the restrictions lifted and filming resumed, Covid was written into the script. There are references to "things we did in lockdown". Characters are distancing and masked, except when delivering extensive lines where they will move away and remove the mask, presumably for clarity of speech. Characters who are visiting their little boy in hospital are masked, gloved, in full PPE. None of the older actors are filming; if their risk is too high their character has been sent off on a convenient trip.
It's strangely reassuring to see the show mirroring my day to day reality.11 -
Interesting to see QANTAS - Australian airline - has stated they will have a policy of no jab, no fly ( a reference to no jab, no pay family assistance payments) once international flights re commence.
Details to be decided - obviously dependant on vaccine restrictions - I expect it will be vaccine or produce medical exemption documentation.
I also think it highly likely Australia will make it compulsory for incomers - either Australians going over seas and returning and visitors, to be vaccinated unless medically exempt.
A precedent already exists for this sort of policy with Yellow fever.
One can be an Australian and visit countries where yellow fever is a risk - but you must have the vaccine first or quarantine on return.9 -
paperpudding wrote: »Interesting to see QANTAS - Australian airline - has stated they will have a policy of no jab, no fly ( a reference to no jab, no pay family assistance payments) once international flights re commence.
Details to be decided - obviously dependant on vaccine restrictions - I expect it will be vaccine or produce medical exemption documentation.
I also think it highly likely Australia will make it compulsory for incomers - either Australians going over seas and returning and visitors, to be vaccinated unless medically exempt.
A precedent already exists for this sort of policy with Yellow fever.
One can be an Australian and visit countries where yellow fever is a risk - but you must have the vaccine first or quarantine on return.
I think it highly likely NZ will have a similar policy. At the very least I expect there will be a requirement for anyone unvaccinated to quarantine on arrival, at their own cost.
I also find it hilarious that some people are complaining about a private company (Qantas) daring to set its own rules.8 -
kshama2001 wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
No in person Black Friday shopping for me, but then, I probably haven't done that at all this century
I was at my Walmart Tuesday night for pecans (supermarket was out) and normally they are more prepped for Black Friday - start putting up foot traffic control thingys outside, etc., but there was nothing prestaged. Inside, I heard an announcement that the store would be closed all day Thursday which is unusual - lately they've been starting Black Friday late Thursday.
My Walmart is only a mile away - I might drive by tomorrow to see what's going on. (An actual drive-by; nothing would get me in the store.)
When are you flying down to FL? This weekend?
@kshama2001 I have a walmart about a mile way as well. Maybe I'll do the same. Hey, maybe we are neighbors. :P
Glad your husband had gotten your pecans. I did strategic shopping all last week to limit exposure for family members today. On Monday, I did do an online curbside pickup for a few missing items. But that's it. Could not land a rapid COVID test for Tuesday.
I am very impressed with your memory. Yes, bad timing, we are traveling to Florida on Saturday to check on the repair of our property. I have masks, gloves, wipes, sanitizing gels, googles, seat covers. Hoping this will not be regretted.
You stick in my memory because we are in the same state (and I used to live in FL,) but IIRC you are on the North Shore and I am South
Keep us posted on your trip. I'm wishing you the best and curious as to how well people adhere to regulations in the airports and airplanes in both states.
I'll certainly be happy to share my observations as we travel.
I do recall you are also in Mass. I did not know or remember you were from Florida, and sounds like we don't share our Walmart. :P0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »paperpudding wrote: »Interesting to see QANTAS - Australian airline - has stated they will have a policy of no jab, no fly ( a reference to no jab, no pay family assistance payments) once international flights re commence.
Details to be decided - obviously dependant on vaccine restrictions - I expect it will be vaccine or produce medical exemption documentation.
I also think it highly likely Australia will make it compulsory for incomers - either Australians going over seas and returning and visitors, to be vaccinated unless medically exempt.
A precedent already exists for this sort of policy with Yellow fever.
One can be an Australian and visit countries where yellow fever is a risk - but you must have the vaccine first or quarantine on return.
I think it highly likely NZ will have a similar policy. At the very least I expect there will be a requirement for anyone unvaccinated to quarantine on arrival, at their own cost.
I also find it hilarious that some people are complaining about a private company (Qantas) daring to set its own rules.
I love Qantas! I was in the outback a few months ago and went to where it all began at their founders museum. That was amazing. We saw all the old planes and stuff. So happy they are doing this to keep us safe too.4 -
New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.0 -
missysippy930 wrote: »We're done except for the turkey. My husband's buying it now. He sent me a picture.... absolutely no toilet paper or paper towels today. We are near Winston Salem, NC.
Did a run for bird seed at Fleet Farm (birds have to eat too) and did a Target run for TP as long as I was out. Very low on paper products (I got the last Up and Up multi pack toilet paper). The cashier and I chatted about it. She said it was flying off the shelves.
At Fleet Farm, the Salvation Army bell ringer was there. I had about a dollars worth of change in my jacket pocket. I haven’t had much cash at all since covid. I’m pretty much using my debit card. Have plenty it change at home. I’ll have to make an effort to remember to fill my pockets.
Maybe the Salvation Army should adapt to changing times. That bell ringer needs to have a portable card machine. This year they sent me am envelope in the mail asking me to send a donation by cheque.1 -
New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Do you ever read anyone's advice? I asked could you stay somewhere else so you didn't get Covid from your husband and also about travelling .. I give up. Sorry you didn't listen and got it though. I really am. Glad it's a minor case. Big hugs.-1 -
I'm glad I live where there is no Covid because I have allergy issues 24/7 365 days a year pretty badly so everyone would think I have Covid with all my coughing and sneezing
Over it really.
I have a neighbor who sneezes loudly every day. We can hear her in her house when we're in ours, and we make a big joke about it because we know she was like that before COVID19.1 -
New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Many stores are limiting the type of limited-time/quantity deals that tend to create Black Friday congestion or moving to online promotions.2 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So I have a question for any Australians out there: if dog walking is banned, where are dogs supposed to do their business? Not everyone has a yard...
Interesting question!! I wouldn't have expected a person without a yard to own a dog.0 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So I have a question for any Australians out there: if dog walking is banned, where are dogs supposed to do their business? Not everyone has a yard...
Interesting question!! I wouldn't have expected a person without a yard to own a dog.
I live in a sixth story apartment with a dog. There are a lot of dogs in my building.3 -
New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Yes, they are regional, but I would have thought they were pretty common.
Like I said above, I have ALWAYS avoided Black Friday. Awful custom.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »So I have a question for any Australians out there: if dog walking is banned, where are dogs supposed to do their business? Not everyone has a yard...
Interesting question!! I wouldn't have expected a person without a yard to own a dog.
I live in a sixth story apartment with a dog. There are a lot of dogs in my building.
To add to this, I live in a house now, but I used to have neighbors with dogs in my condo building, and they are common even in high rises here, and certainly quite common in rentals and condos in general.1 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So I have a question for any Australians out there: if dog walking is banned, where are dogs supposed to do their business? Not everyone has a yard...
Interesting question!! I wouldn't have expected a person without a yard to own a dog.
Half of new york city seems to own a dog and certainly no yards.4 -
I dont think it would be that rare for someone to own a small dog in an apartment (granted, a doberman probably not a good idea
) - but anyway for the 3 days of super lockdown, you would take your dog downstairs to the outside area of your building, or the footpath (sidewalk) if there were no specific outside area, it does its poo, you bag it up, and go back inside.
Given that South Australia is fairly low density housing, the scenario of dog owning in apartments probably doesn't apply to many of us.
But if it did,that's what you would do.
Interestingly, this question didnt come up in all the FYI sites or lists of FAQ's I read - either it didnt apply to enough South Australians to get asked or they could figure it out for themselves without having to ask.3 -
janejellyroll wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »So I have a question for any Australians out there: if dog walking is banned, where are dogs supposed to do their business? Not everyone has a yard...
Interesting question!! I wouldn't have expected a person without a yard to own a dog.
I live in a sixth story apartment with a dog. There are a lot of dogs in my building.
Me too. In a way, it's actually quite good for me because I am forced to actually go outside and walk him properly 3x per day. I could imagine if we had a garden, first thing in the morning I might feel lazy or if it was cold outside, raining etc. I would just open the door and let him go. This way, I am forced to get some exercise too . 7 -
Someone earlier mentioned the Astra Zenica vaccine report being sketchy (I think it was Mike but I can't find the post now) which is a bummer but seeing people pounce right on the issues with their methods and data actually makes me feel even better about the first two vaccines announcements. I'd assume those were looked at just as critically and came out looking good. And there's another one-shot vaccine coming from J&J, they are expected to release their first report before the end of the year. Hopefully one of these simpler protocols will also be successful.
Both my parents and my brother's in-laws agreed today that this whole thing has gone on too long and they almost wish they'd get it already so they wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. I have to keep my yap shut because I've been scolded for criticizing the family's lack of care thru all this previously. I just tried to steer the convo to the vaccines and how close the end is and hoped they were just venting. Basically both sets of grandparents along with my brother, sil, and nephews are acting as a "pod" but they're not being careful enough (IMO) considering four of them are 75-76 yrs old.
I made myself a normal dinner, but filled up on pie, which will prob be breakfast too while I shop online and binge season 2 of the Mandelorian. #goals11 -
Happy thanksgiving from Ozzy land kimmy! You're pretty awesome, always know that.5
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The Helsinki metropolitan area here in Finland just got a new batch of limitations. We've had it pretty easy after a successful shutdown in the spring and now we're getting three weeks of stricter lockdown rules, presumably to make celebrating Christmas possible.
- all public gatherings, both indoors and outdoors, are prohibited
- all private gatherings outside of household members should be skipped, including family celebrations, graduations, independence day (Dec 6th) and pre-Christmas events
- all indoor hobby group activities are banned
- all outdoor hobby group activities are banned for those over 20 years old
- all non-essential public spaces are closed (sports facilities, museums, culture spaces etc.)
- all high schools go into remote learning
On top of this, many other areas in Finland recommend avoiding traveling to Helsinki area. Even with all these, life feels surprisingly normal. Missing planned small-scale independence day celebrations is going to hurt, though.13 -
The Helsinki metropolitan area here in Finland just got a new batch of limitations. We've had it pretty easy after a successful shutdown in the spring and now we're getting three weeks of stricter lockdown rules, presumably to make celebrating Christmas possible.
- all public gatherings, both indoors and outdoors, are prohibited
- all private gatherings outside of household members should be skipped, including family celebrations, graduations, independence day (Dec 6th) and pre-Christmas events
- all indoor hobby group activities are banned
- all outdoor hobby group activities are banned for those over 20 years old
- all non-essential public spaces are closed (sports facilities, museums, culture spaces etc.)
- all high schools go into remote learning
On top of this, many other areas in Finland recommend avoiding traveling to Helsinki area. Even with all these, life feels surprisingly normal. Missing planned small-scale independence day celebrations is going to hurt, though.
As limiting and inconvenient as all of this is, I truly believe it's what will help in curbing the tide a bit more.8 -
Can someone please help me figure this out because I am very confused. I was tested on Nov. 16th, any symptoms I might've been having then were vague. My results came back the 19th as positive and I'd been feeling tired for a couple days. Aside from the tiredness, one of my glands was a little sore for a day but that was it. When the health dept. called they based the quarantine time on when my symptoms started(according to them they said the 18th but It was probably more like the 17th) and added 10 days onto that. So, technically am I safe going out tomorrow, the 28th or should I err on the side of caution and wait until Sunday? The problem is I've already promised someone I could be there for them tomorrow. I have felt fine for the past few days. To me, the fact that I feel absolutely fine and the onset f my symptoms were vague to begin with, plus they're even thinking or decreasing the amount of quarantine time.....dh says no, I say I'm fine. And the person I promised to be there for really needs me.
So, what say you everybody?? I feel I've done my time and will still play by the rules, being even more vigilant if that's possible.7 -
@ReenieHJ When my mom tested positive, it was a similar situation... she had mild symptoms, if any, and they said 10 days from symptoms also. I would say always wear a mask and use sanitizer frequently, and avoid going anywhere you don't need to go.
If your mask has space to do so, you could fold up a coffee filter (like if using a buff, put inside and fold over) for additional protection.5 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »@ReenieHJ When my mom tested positive, it was a similar situation... she had mild symptoms, if any, and they said 10 days from symptoms also. I would say always wear a mask and use sanitizer frequently, and avoid going anywhere you don't need to go.
If your mask has space to do so, you could fold up a coffee filter (like if using a buff, put inside and fold over) for additional protection.
I agree with @T1DCarnivoreRunner I wouldn't go looking for stuff to go out and do, but be super careful with anything you feel like you have to do and limit that exposure as much as possible jic. Make sure this person is aware you are tech allowed out of quarantine but you're concerned, so they can be extra careful as well.6 -
At my work (a community hospital, part of a smallish hospital system in Louisiana), if you’ve been exposed but have no fever, you’re expected to work as normal. If you’ve been “proven to be exposed” and have a fever, you get 7 days off (and use your PTO) and are expected back to work 24 hours after your last fever. No fever? Get to work. These paltry rules (IMO) are due to lack of licensed staff - they need a body to fill a shift, no matter what.17
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Can someone please help me figure this out because I am very confused. I was tested on Nov. 16th, any symptoms I might've been having then were vague. My results came back the 19th as positive and I'd been feeling tired for a couple days. Aside from the tiredness, one of my glands was a little sore for a day but that was it. When the health dept. called they based the quarantine time on when my symptoms started(according to them they said the 18th but It was probably more like the 17th) and added 10 days onto that. So, technically am I safe going out tomorrow, the 28th or should I err on the side of caution and wait until Sunday? The problem is I've already promised someone I could be there for them tomorrow. I have felt fine for the past few days. To me, the fact that I feel absolutely fine and the onset f my symptoms were vague to begin with, plus they're even thinking or decreasing the amount of quarantine time.....dh says no, I say I'm fine. And the person I promised to be there for really needs me.
So, what say you everybody?? I feel I've done my time and will still play by the rules, being even more vigilant if that's possible.
Here, in Italy, you need to retest to be sure you're not still carrying the virus. In a cousin's family, who all got it, after the quarantine time --2 still tested positive and had to wait and then retest again before they could go out. You have to test negative to be sure.4 -
New topic - who is going black friday shopping after quarantining for Thanksgiving? :P
Obviously, not me. I will be venturing into the very empty grocery store for like five key items.
I guess this was a topic in this morning's paper. Hubby was chatting with me about it. I guess the article was noting how there are lots of instructions regarding limiting holiday visitations, but comparatively little chat about not swamping the stores tomorrow.
Aren't stores limited in how many can go in? Ours are limited to 25% capacity.
I wonder if the capacity limits are a regional thing. That was the case here in Mass back in the Spring/Summer. I have not seen capacity counters in stores for a while. I personally am like @Kshama2001, I intentionally avoid black friday shopping and do not even recall ever shopping that day.
Yes, they are regional, but I would have thought they were pretty common.
Like I said above, I have ALWAYS avoided Black Friday. Awful custom.
Very regional. In TN the Governor rolled back all capacity restrictions on businesses and restaurants and large gatherings in the end of Sept when we were still at high spread. Of course we are even worse here now. The average positivity rate in TN is around 14.8% as of last week but locally it is bouncing between 18 and 20ish%. We have no eyerolling emoji but I think everyone here knows to insert one from me by now.
We've had a tiny bit of a dip of new cases records the past week. I hypothesize that it is due to people refusing to test, the Halloween bump declining, and football is in the play offs so Friday night hoardes at the stadiums and post game parties/celebrations have tapered. Lots of schools have also been virtual due to mass quarantine of students and teachers. Deaths have stayed higher though. We are keeping with about 10-12% of the entire state's deaths in our little corner (northeastern TN.)
Hubby and I went Black Fridaying exactly ONCE about 22 years ago. We have refused to be a part of that madness since.
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