Coronavirus prep

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  • SummerSkier
    SummerSkier Posts: 5,100 Member
    Chef_Barbell wrote: »
    From what I read, the vaccine will not be a walk in the park as far as side effects go. Yes it will be much better than catching covid itself, but it's not one of those shots where you can just bounce back to work right away.

    well if it is the same as the shingles than I can handle it. If it's better than all good. Those shingles series shots were pretty awful. Most likely everyone will react in their own individual way. I haven't heard a lot of horror stories floated yet from the folks testing it. Have you?
  • Chef_Barbell
    Chef_Barbell Posts: 6,644 Member
    SummerSkier wrote: »
    Chef_Barbell wrote: »
    From what I read, the vaccine will not be a walk in the park as far as side effects go. Yes it will be much better than catching covid itself, but it's not one of those shots where you can just bounce back to work right away.

    well if it is the same as the shingles than I can handle it. If it's better than all good. Those shingles series shots were pretty awful. Most likely everyone will react in their own individual way. I haven't heard a lot of horror stories floated yet from the folks testing it. Have you?

    I have no source but from hearing on the news from trial participants... the side effects are like having covid full blown for a week. Which I guess is better than covid for months and months, but still that could deter some from taking the vaccine.
  • kushiel1
    kushiel1 Posts: 96 Member
    If we can't get back to "life as usual" then what is the point of taking the vaccine? A vaccine that can have serious side effects at that. There's going to be a TON of pushback on this if true...I mean that's not what's been being told to us here in the US, until very recently, and there's going to be many who refuse to do so if we can't leave the masks and social distancing behind.
  • jenilla1
    jenilla1 Posts: 11,118 Member
    MikePfirrman wrote: »
    lemurcat2 wrote: »
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    I literally had someone on Facebook tell me that I'm the reason that we have to have these restrictions and that I'm selfish and generally terrible for suggesting that I'm not going to let fear of Covid change my Thanksgiving plans. Even when told about my sister he still doubled down insisting that the only acceptable way of celebrating is to not do so. This was a person I know in "real life" and had considered a friend for 2 decades now...the judgment is just mindboggling to me and I don't really understand why in general we can't just practice a little love and tolerance for each other.

    I will also add that even just limiting to "immediate" family we are not a small group. My younger sister who lives out of town was supposed to come in (as she'd like to spend as much time as possible with our older sister as possible just in case) but my grandmother who lives with her hasn't been feeling well lately and doesn't want to drive 8 hours here and then 8 hours back on such a tight turn around. Hopefully they will be able to come for Christmas as the timeframe can be a little longer. But even without that group of 5 we are still 10+ people. I've never really understood the thought that 9 people would be ok but 11 would not. We should just ask people to use their best judgment and hope for the best, while keeping in mind that we are never guaranteed tomorrow.

    That's terrible, the thing you report on Facebook. It's so easy for people to react in a kneejerk way on FB (or the like), in ways they might not in person, and it's hurtful. Every situation is different, and extreme reactions (especially when people don't know the nuances) are not a good reflex.

    I don't do FB (I have a profile that hasn't been updated in years and almost never go on), but from what people I know have reported, the judgment comes from all sides and it's generally terrible, not specifically about covid, but covid is not helping. A friend has a close relative who is super anti-mask conspiracy theory and constantly judging others for being (as someone else noted) weak or "sheeple" to the point she sees him differently than she did before and had to mute it. I know many others who report similar stuff.

    My own experience with this has been NextDoor, although currently I read it only for coyote and deer sighting posts and photos (I live in a city, and although we've always had coyotes they've taken over the site like crazy lately; the deer pretty much live in cemeteries). Ever since March, however, it's been endless fights and judgy-ness (on both sides) about masks to the extent that it was making me upset and paranoid. (I am pro mask, but I also find it difficult to run in a mask and tend to choose times when few are out and I can easily social distance, and I do actively change direction, cross the street, move into the street as needed, but apparently some have had such bad experiences with runners not doing that that they are inclined to judge all, or to proclaim such things are not sufficient. I still think the anti maskers and those being incredibly irresponsible (as with the huge house parties) are worse -- and yes, now I'm judging too -- but I get the feeling that one is being judged no matter what and that some are enjoying that, even.)

    For whatever reason, NextDoor asked me to be a moderator locally. I have no idea why. I'm not particularly cool headed or reasonable at times. I have pleaded with people to be nicer. Not working. They are at each others throats. For every two level headed people, there are two extremes. Sad really.

    One lady this morning was calling out a particular clerk at the local Post Office. I'm thinking, do we really need to do that?? Yes, someone at the post office should be wearing a mask, but to call them out on NextDoor by name? And when someone points out that NextDoor is about neighbors and after all the division we are still all neighbors, heaven forbid. Then the thread deteriorates to the extreme. I'm trying to figure out how not to be a moderator any longer.

    NextDoor is toxic. A couple of years ago, I signed up to find the owner of a lost dog that wandered into my yard. It worked perfectly and the owner was located in just a couple of hours. I thought wow this is great! I can really keep up with what's going on around here.

    Sadly, over time I noticed civility breaking down. It got so bad that I started having not so nice feelings about my neighbors and neighborhood. So I quit the site well over a year ago.

    I can only imagine how crazed it's gotten on NextDoor with the election and Covid going on. I don't even want to know. I prefer to think the best of the people around me. I don't need to see their dark sides. Especially now.

    IMO, that site is more harmful to communities than it is helpful.
  • AnnPT77
    AnnPT77 Posts: 34,118 Member
    edited November 2020
    rheddmobile wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    I literally had someone on Facebook tell me that I'm the reason that we have to have these restrictions and that I'm selfish and generally terrible for suggesting that I'm not going to let fear of Covid change my Thanksgiving plans. Even when told about my sister he still doubled down insisting that the only acceptable way of celebrating is to not do so. This was a person I know in "real life" and had considered a friend for 2 decades now...the judgment is just mindboggling to me and I don't really understand why in general we can't just practice a little love and tolerance for each other.

    I will also add that even just limiting to "immediate" family we are not a small group. My younger sister who lives out of town was supposed to come in (as she'd like to spend as much time as possible with our older sister as possible just in case) but my grandmother who lives with her hasn't been feeling well lately and doesn't want to drive 8 hours here and then 8 hours back on such a tight turn around. Hopefully they will be able to come for Christmas as the timeframe can be a little longer. But even without that group of 5 we are still 10+ people. I've never really understood the thought that 9 people would be ok but 11 would not. We should just ask people to use their best judgment and hope for the best, while keeping in mind that we are never guaranteed tomorrow.
    I feel like this post is a little ingenuous.

    Your friend might be more sympathetic towards your desire to balance enriching your sister’s remaining time with keeping everyone safe from Covid if you didn’t have a lengthy history of publicly minimizing the seriousness of Covid and belittling attempts to protect people from it.

    I also strongly disagree that “hoping for the best” is a good approach in this situation, when there are significant safeguards you can put into place to protect yourselves and others who might encounter your family on their travels. We are never guaranteed tomorrow, but that doesn’t mean people shouldn’t look both ways before crossing a busy street.

    Going back to the comment about the Facebook conversation (and taking the report as literal/face value), it seems like people could be making somewhat more nuanced responses, rather than leading with (in effect) "you're irresponsible and doing it wrong".

    Maybe it's just me (and that's fine), but in PP's scenario with a relatively late-stage relative . . . well, that's relevant, IMO. I'm wondering if things could've played out differently if the person who told her on FB that she was making a bad call had said something more like "that would really feel risky to me, so I'm wondering what your thought process is" vs. just insisting on isolated holidays as an absolute. I really think people behave differently on social media, relying on their assumptions/interpretations and responding on the assumption that those are TrueTrueTRUE, when in person things tend to be a little softer.
  • kushiel1
    kushiel1 Posts: 96 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    Gisel2015 wrote: »
    kushiel1 wrote: »
    If we can't get back to "life as usual" then what is the point of taking the vaccine? A vaccine that can have serious side effects at that. There's going to be a TON of pushback on this if true...I mean that's not what's been being told to us here in the US, until very recently, and there's going to be many who refuse to do so if we can't leave the masks and social distancing behind.

    OMG!! I am not going to even respond or comment to that statement because I would be quarantined by MFP for a very long time. But if you have to ask that question, you really need to learn more about COVID-19. Happy Thanksgiving.

    If you feel strongly about the vaccine then great! Take it! But we've been being told that a vaccine is our way back to normal and now the bar is being shifted again. If taking the vaccine means that we can leave the Covid restrictions behind that's awesome, but if not then yes there's going to be an issue with convincing the general public that they should take it - especially if it results in serious side effects.

    I know plenty about Covid, my brother had it back in April and I work in the health field. I get Covid can be really bad for some people (though it's totally not a big deal for others, just like most diseases). How exactly do we convince people to take a vaccine that will give them side effects and not result in being able to get back to our "normal" lives? In that case we should just continue on as we have been...or at least that's how many will see it.

    May just may be me, but the question in my mind is "how/does the vaccine materially improve the situation, at a reasonable cost/risk"? Holding it to a standard that says "it's not worth it if it doesn't return us to 'normal'" (whatever the heck 'normal' is) seems very black and white, and extreme.

    That's a reasonable way to see it, but I guess the question is...how does it materially improve the situation? If I take it, get side effects and then still have to socially distance and wear a mask I don't see an improvement. Maybe there is some that I'm not seeing as of yet, but let's face it - in general here in the US this has become a really hot topic and people on both sides of the restrictions are pretty entrenched on what they think. And with the new info coming out about a vaccine that we are supposed to get that doesn't deliver what we were promised (a return to normalcy) and tempers are sure to flare on both sides.
  • lemurcat2
    lemurcat2 Posts: 7,885 Member
    edited November 2020
    Back to shopping, I've had no issues getting paper products, but 2 stores in a row failed to have butternut squash. These were both delivery, so I wondered if the shopper just didn't find it, but perhaps there is a Thanksgiving-related run on it. I got kabocha as a substitute from the second place, so that's just as good for my purposes anyway.

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