Coronavirus prep
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Iowa is still just vaccinating health care workers & long term care. Needed my 2nd shingles shot, so asked if it will be very soon to get the Covid shot, since I think you have to wait 2-4 weeks after shingles shot to get Covid shot. I was told they don't have any idea for my age group. (71) I also think Iowa is planning to do police, EMTs, teachers before my age group. I have tried looking on the state website to get an idea & I can't find any info. It was on the news recently about a school counselor getting it, and a lot of people were wondering "how did he get it?" It sounds like it was a matter of being in the right place at the right time.5
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.11 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.
Last year in the Florida Keys, renters were kicked out and then they put a road block/resisdency check on the highway. As for refunds, county did not care. That was between the renter and rentor. If you were a renter that tried to stay behind, police were called by neighbors.6 -
kshama2001 wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »My mom got her first dose. She’s in rural TN. It was drive-by and took less than an hour in line. You had to have an appointment and then show proof of being over 75.
The only way she knew who to call was that a friend told her the night before that she heard about the number to call. I have looked at their county health department and can’t see any evidence of how to get the shot, and they told her they weren’t advertising it.
I've been looking on my state's website and can't find any info on where to get a vaccine. (I did this as an intellectual exercise - we're in Phase one of the rollout and no one I know can get one til Phase 2.)
As of this writing, vaccinefinder.org does not have the COVID vaccine as a category.
https://www.mass.gov/info-details/covid-19-vaccine-frequently-asked-questions#once-the-vaccine-is-available,-where-can-i-go-to-get-a-covid-19-vaccine?
Public vaccine clinics including COVID-19 vaccine when available can be found at CDC’s interactive website: vaccinefinder.org. Once vaccine is widely available you can also check with your primary care provider, local pharmacy or local health department. Information will also be available on the DPH website.
Ah, the federal response.
We're starting phase 1B here locally (my county), which for us (Michigan) includes members of the general public of older ages, or some comorbid conditions. I know of some who've gotten appointments, and gotten the first shot, but it's not at all widespread, rather just barey getting started. Clearly, that availability information is not yet on the federal CDC site, despite what they claim. (It is on the State of Michigan's site, which I believe I posed up-thread.)
Heh.
This is a no-win situation for those government agencies that are distributing the vaccine. In New York City, for example, there are reports of doses sitting in freezers and/or spoiling because the rollout has had significant delays: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/08/nyregion/nyc-coronavirus-vaccine-delays.html . Practitioners have not given exceptions (i.e., "Hey, you, have you had the vaccine yet? Get over here, these are about to expire...") because of fear of violating state rules, which dictates a very specific priority of distribution.
It seems they have eased restrictions, which is good, but then there is a risk of people jumping the line on purpose, like the administrators at Stanford https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/21/1015303/stanford-vaccine-algorithm/ . (And, sorry, *kitten* the algorithm: those people knew full well they weren't in immediate danger, and could have refused.)
I have been working for government entities in one form or another for 25 years, and, unfortunately, the ineptitude and cluster*kitten*ry just doesn't surprise me.9 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.
In more ways than one, it appears that common sense is sorely lacking, in this country.9 -
missysippy930 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.
In more ways than one, it appears that common sense is sorely lacking, in this country.
After the news of this week the entire world should know this reality.13 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.
Last year in the Florida Keys, renters were kicked out and then they put a road block/resisdency check on the highway. As for refunds, county did not care. That was between the renter and rentor. If you were a renter that tried to stay behind, police were called by neighbors.
The company I'm renting from owns nearly the entire street, so that's not happening. But I appreciate the warning. They have said you can come as long as you shelter in place, but the state is discouraging it, as they should.
@missysippy930 - agreed. If the events of this week are any indication, pandemics will the last of our worries soon, sadly, but predictably.3 -
Two articles about researchers finding a negative correlation between fitness and severity of Covid infection:
https://www.wxyz.com/news/henry-ford-study-finds-better-aerobic-fitness-can-reduce-severe-effects-of-covid-19
https://news.virginia.edu/content/exercise-may-protect-against-deadly-covid-19-complication-research-suggests
Should I start posting these on the "Need Motivation" threads? (<== Joking. But anyone who's recently been following the "glamorizing obesity" thread in Debate will know why that idea occurred to me).
ETA, truth in advertising: I haven't sought out the actual scientific publications yet, to the extent they may be available. I just ran across the topic in a radio report, looked up the articles starting from there, thought others here might be interested even though this is just the popular-press view.9 -
Two articles about researchers finding a negative correlation between fitness and severity of Covid infection:
https://www.wxyz.com/news/henry-ford-study-finds-better-aerobic-fitness-can-reduce-severe-effects-of-covid-19
https://news.virginia.edu/content/exercise-may-protect-against-deadly-covid-19-complication-research-suggests
Should I start posting these on the "Need Motivation" threads? (<== Joking. But anyone who's recently been following the "glamorizing obesity" thread in Debate will know why that idea occurred to me).
ETA, truth in advertising: I haven't sought out the actual scientific publications yet, to the extent they may be available. I just ran across the topic in a radio report, looked up the articles starting from there, thought others here might be interested even though this is just the popular-press view.
Nice articles but to be honest, probably not a whole lot of news IMO. I'm pretty sure all factors being equal someone in good aerobic condition will fare better then a person that isn't in regard to complications from any disease/illness.6 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.
Last year in the Florida Keys, renters were kicked out and then they put a road block/resisdency check on the highway. As for refunds, county did not care. That was between the renter and rentor. If you were a renter that tried to stay behind, police were called by neighbors.
The company I'm renting from owns nearly the entire street, so that's not happening. But I appreciate the warning. They have said you can come as long as you shelter in place, but the state is discouraging it, as they should.
@missysippy930 - agreed. If the events of this week are any indication, pandemics will the last of our worries soon, sadly, but predictably.
It was pretty crazy last year, while I understood the concerns of that county, some actions made no sense. They booted friends of ours that had been there already 6 weeks out of their 3 month rental. Made no sense to me. They were not new arrivals, so at that point in time, how different were they from any local. Ourselves, we are new owners down there and arrived on March 1, just before COVID really blew up, in our car with Massachusetts plates. Yup, that was not great for those next few months.
Stay safe, stay healthy!0 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »Two articles about researchers finding a negative correlation between fitness and severity of Covid infection:
https://www.wxyz.com/news/henry-ford-study-finds-better-aerobic-fitness-can-reduce-severe-effects-of-covid-19
https://news.virginia.edu/content/exercise-may-protect-against-deadly-covid-19-complication-research-suggests
Should I start posting these on the "Need Motivation" threads? (<== Joking. But anyone who's recently been following the "glamorizing obesity" thread in Debate will know why that idea occurred to me).
ETA, truth in advertising: I haven't sought out the actual scientific publications yet, to the extent they may be available. I just ran across the topic in a radio report, looked up the articles starting from there, thought others here might be interested even though this is just the popular-press view.
Nice articles but to be honest, probably not a whole lot of news IMO. I'm pretty sure all factors being equal someone in good aerobic condition will fare better then a person that isn't in regard to complications from any disease/illness.
As would I: Should be the case that any positive health dimension helps a person survive many types of physical challenge. Still, I appreciate it when there's research that justifies common sense . . . because, from time to time, there's been some that turned "common sense" into "discredited myths". I thought the details about EcSOD/ARDS in the second article were interesting, too. 🤷♀️3 -
My son got his second vaccine dose yesterday (he works in a hospital with direct covid contact). Tired and hungry, but otherwise fine.19
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GaleHawkins wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money.
Agree. that's why when we rented a cabin for a few days over Christmas we rented one with the latest cancellation date in the area.
Yeah, it's the CA Governor protecting the people owning the properties but not those renting them. So, if they really wanted to keep everyone out, force them to refund money. Now, I understand what economic toll that would take on these people that rent homes, and I'm very sad for that. But they know if you rent a home and can't get a refund that you'll be coming. They have made all hotels in CA not be able to take short term stays. That's smart. But the hotel chains are getting killed financially.
Look, I've been sheltering in place the entire flippin' pandemic. If everyone acted as responsibly as me, we wouldn't be in this position. And I will shelter in place while in CA. Nothing will change.
I hope people get back to common sense soon.
In more ways than one, it appears that common sense is sorely lacking, in this country.
After the news of this week the entire world should know this reality.
Don't worry, we've known it for a long time...9 -
The nursing home where my friend lives is to start on this 18th and second shot 21 days later. They are to call me when they get consent forms for me to sign.14
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MikePfirrman wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »I live for disagrees
All kind of information out making it seem as if AZ is the worst place on the planet, and it might be. I dunno know. I'm just glad I'm a semi hermit. We are going to San Diego next week to see my son (and celebrate our 30th Anniversary). That's the son that already had Covid, so at least I believe we're good seeing him. We are renting an AirBnB and pretty much going to behave just like we do here -- eat at home, buy groceries and order take out and that's about it. The only difference being that we'll be two blocks from Seal Beach in La Jolla while doing it. I'm thinking for extra good measure, I'll take a can or two of Lysol just to spray in the place when we get there and then open up the windows and let it air out. Oh, and we'll drive. It's only around 6 hours from here to there. I actually quite enjoy the drive through the sand dunes to the mountains and then down to the ocean.
California is likely safer than AZ right now with most everything being shut down.
Mike do you know that the governor asks people from other states or countries NOT to come to California?
I don't know how things are in Arizona, but California is not safe right now, unlesds not COVID safe. Our hospitals and ICUs capacity are maxed out.
Coronavirus: Due to the coronavirus pandemic, California has imposed a regional stay-at-home order and banned non-essential travel throughout the state except in a region north of Sonoma County. Governor Gavin Newsom said he was “pulling the emergency brake” with this announcement, which restricts hotel stays for leisure travel and other business activity in affected areas. You can find more details here.
"California public health officials have recommended that visitors from out of state, including California residents, quarantine for 14 days after entering or returning to California."
https://www.visitcalifornia.com/latest-covid-19-coronavirus/
I'd love not to go but I'm not losing 2K either. AirBNB isn't forcing home owners to refund money. They are keeping it all if you don't show. Personally, I didn't want to go. I knew it would be a bad idea. The wife's idea.
There isn't any hospital space in AZ either. CA, at least, has enough sense to close down all restaurants. Gyms and restaurants are still open in AZ with no room in any hospitals.
I keep hearing people say that California is "closed down." In my opinion, it hasn't been closed down since they reopened the first time last spring. I live in Southern California, and the only thing that appears to be closed down is gyms and bars that don't serve food. I think museums and the like are also closed, but people are not laying low here. Thankfully, mask wearing is fairly consistent.
There are plenty of restaurants serving outside dining, and when I went to pick up take out on my anniversary a few days ago, I was shocked to see diners eating inside the restaurant as well as outside. Shopping is open. Live entertainment venues are doing their thing as well, primarily on patios or in buildings with all the doors open. Local law enforcement isn't interested in enforcing anything. Maybe it's different in San Diego, but I somehow doubt that.
The hospitals are a mess. I live down the street from a covid testing site. I drive by all the time and there's usually not much of a line. It's always wide open. This afternoon I was shocked when I drove by. The line was backed up way into the center of town and who knows how long the wait was. Not sure why the sudden rush. Maybe everybody's finally coming down with the crap they picked up over Christmas and New Years? Not sure why people would even want to come here right now. This is not the place to vacation.19 -
@jenilla1
I don't know in what part of California do you live, but I am in S. California in the desert area and all bars and restaurants are closed to indoor and outdoor dining (only take out or delivery is allowed). Some have try to violate the order and they were fined, and had to close. Hair and nail salons, massages, facial salons and barbers hops are also close. The same with gyms (only outdoor exercises are allowed), and theaters and museums. Some stores are open (I don't know about the malls because I haven't been inside one since Nov 2019), but others are not.
I agree that hospitals are totally overrun with COVID patients and most elective surgeries have been canceled; medical personnel is exhausted. We were also asked not to cross county lines, and I am happy to follow the rules if it helps to control the epidemic and keep me and my husband healthy.
I am sorry for the loss of revenue and the financial hardship that the restaurants are going thru. When they were open for outdoor eating, I noticed that many people didn't follow the use of masks when they were not eating, as it was required; and the restaurant staff were not enforcing the rules. Maybe they were afraid of losing patrons. Well, they are loosing much more right now.6 -
Southern CA here as well. We are under a regional stay at home order, but the only changes I've noticed are all dining being take out only, personal services such as barbers being closed, and gyms only operating outdoor operations. There is still plenty of traffic and people going out for "essential" trips. There are further restrictions regarding capacity for shops and such, but I don't really see that being followed and the mall traffic was still plenty heavy during the holidays. When I went to Home Depot to get some materials for home projects around the holidays it was uncomfortably busy, the line for In-and-Out was causing traffic back-ups and there were a ton of people at the shops in the shopping center.
From the CA website:Retail: Allow indoor operation at 20% capacity, and 35% of capacity for standalone grocery stores, with entrance metering and no eating or drinking in the stores. Additionally, special hours should be instituted for seniors and others with chronic conditions or compromised immune systems.
Shopping centers: Allow indoor access at 20% capacity with entrance metering and no eating or drinking in the stores. Additionally, special hours should be instituted for seniors and others with chronic conditions or compromised immune systems.
Yeah, I think the only time I've seen any metering is at the Trader Joe's, where there seems to frequently be a line dozen's deep.
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I think that this information should be passed around. Too many people may not understand the role and limitations of the two vaccines approved by the FDA (emergency use) on December 2020.
Many grandparents have one goal in mind this winter: Get vaccinated so they can see their children and grandchildren again. But is that safe if their younger family members have not yet been vaccinated?
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/health/grandparents-visits-covid-19-vaccine-wellnesss/index.html5 -
I won't do grocery delivery or pick up unless forced to. I did 2 deliveries earlier in all of this. They messed them both up. I had chosen specific items if a substitution had to be made or selected no substitution. I have food allergies and restrictions. They just did not seem to pay attention to what I had on the order. Multiple items I could not eat unless I wanted to get sick. Horrible produce quality. It was just bad experiences.
So now grocery shopping is pretty much the only thing I go out for. I go to Aldi and Fresh Thyme first thing in the morning so I miss the crowds. I wear my mask. I keep my distance. I get in and out.
It's also good for my mental health to at least have that.
I go early when there are few people and everyone is wearing a mask.
Early on in the pandemic, due to the extreme hours I was working, I tried food delivery. The substitutions were laughable and I never tried again. My two favorites:
* Asked for Keto Cookie Dough; substitution was canned cranberry jelly
* Asked for grated Parmesan cheese; substitution was pear baby food.
😂😂😂😂7 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Minnesota has an app, COVIDaware Minnesota, that supposedly notifies you if you’ve been in contact with someone that has covid. I’m assuming other states have it as well. I’ve had it on my phone since around Thanksgiving. I’m wondering if anyone has actually been notified about exposure through this app. It’s my understanding that it senses prolonged contact, 15 minutes or longer.
It’s been active in parts of California for a while, but not mine. In December, it went state-wide. since it’s opt-in (and not mandatory like in other countries) I’m skeptical about its usefulness, but I figured it couldn’t hurt and activated it.1 -
(Not glove-hoarding, BTW. My local hospital system was taking donations of unopened boxes of gloves at first, so I donated the unopened one of the big 2-pack I'd recently bought at Costco for crafts use, but kept the open one. Not using them often any more, but have them ready, including a small bag of them in the car, just in case. Suspect using gloves to avoid getting paint on my face/clothes is good practice for not spreading viruses to my face/clothes, though not a perfect analog.)
I don't think there's currently a shortage, is there? I got a bunch of them because my cat is taking a medicine that you rub into his ear wearing gloves, and so I ordered a package of gloves before picking up the medicine, only to learn that a glove was provided with the medicine. I don't use gloves, so would be happy to donate the box I bought if someone wanted it, but I don't think anyone does anymore.
Depends on the kind of glove, I think. We’ve had to ration the nitrile gloves of a certain thickness for our custodians as those will protect their hands from the sanitizing spray. We have other gloves of all kinds for everyone else as a germ barrier.3 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I got the pfizer vaccine this morning. Just feel achey in my arm like I always do with the flu vaccine but a lot more achey. I have a weak immune system too so I was a little nervous (I was sick for a week after the chicken pox vaccine) but so far I feel good. I expect to probably feel a little run down the next few days, but that is way better than getting COVID.
I will definitely still be wearing a mask at all times and so will my coworkers since you can still spread the virus if you get it. They say mask wearing will be required even after the booster shot and immunity develops since there is still a small chance you can still get it. I actually wonder if wearing a mask in the hospitals might continue even long after COVID to prevent other airborne infections. Flu cases have been way down this year because of mask wearing.
Sounds like a good plan. You can still get the flu when you’ve had the flu shot. Makes sense with this as well.
And flu is down this season. Likely because of all the precautions we’re taking for COVID.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »The state of TN completely changed their vaccine rollout plan. Among other things, they eliminated a category for multiple comorbidities and now I am in ohase 1c instead of phase 2. Also, there is a new phase 1c and phase 2 has been split into phases 2a and 2b. So I'm still in the 4th group.
They have added age-based rollout simultaneously with the rest of the vaccination categories and added estimates for dates.
My estimated date is March/Q2. This most likely means I will not get the vaccine until Q3/Q4 because I don't think I will be living in TN in March. If I move to the state I think I will, T1D is not considered to be a comorbidity at all despite everything we know about how this virus enters cells being a bigger concern for diabetics (all types because it is increased BG that is the issue). So I basically get stuck with everyone else. I just hope I don't get infected before then.
I will add that the Q3/Q4 2021 dates as the end of vaccinating everyone are extremely optimistic. This is partly because we have heard this may become an annual vaccine, so we start over again at that point. Also, current rate of vaccine distribution will take 7 years. So they need to start giving a lot more shots if they are going to finish in 1 year.
I agree. I don't think I'll even get vaccinated in 2021. Hate to sound like a pessimist but the initial roll out has been terrible. Initially, I was looking at Summer. No way. Fall is optimistic and more likely in 2022.
Hmmm...things seem to be going pretty well in NM. Most healthcare workers have received it and I was talking to a fire fighter friend of mine yesterday and he said he got his first shot last week as did most of the department.
My wife and I registered for ours earlier this week...it looks like I'll probably be sometime in March or April...my wife probably won't be until summer. The state is shooting for the end of August to have a good portion of the population vaccinated...basically anyone who wants one by the end of August.
50% of the healthcare workers in a neighboring county here turned it down.
I know people with certain medical conditions, or pregnant women might not have enough data to feel like they’re making an informed decision. But I worry about the residual impact on the public if people who work in healthcare with the highest risk of exposure won’t take it.8 -
Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »I got the pfizer vaccine this morning. Just feel achey in my arm like I always do with the flu vaccine but a lot more achey. I have a weak immune system too so I was a little nervous (I was sick for a week after the chicken pox vaccine) but so far I feel good. I expect to probably feel a little run down the next few days, but that is way better than getting COVID.
I will definitely still be wearing a mask at all times and so will my coworkers since you can still spread the virus if you get it. They say mask wearing will be required even after the booster shot and immunity develops since there is still a small chance you can still get it. I actually wonder if wearing a mask in the hospitals might continue even long after COVID to prevent other airborne infections. Flu cases have been way down this year because of mask wearing.
Sounds like a good plan. You can still get the flu when you’ve had the flu shot. Makes sense with this as well.
And flu is down this season. Likely because of all the precautions we’re taking for COVID.
Kind of related but I spoke with a child-care provider in the grocery store yesterday and she said she hasn't had any sickness floating around her daycare, not even runny noses and usually the whole season is filled with them. I think most people are listening to 'stay home if showing signs of sickness' and 'keep your children home if showing any signs of sickness' whereas parents used to bring their children in, citing teething as a cause for most everything going around. Ask me how I know.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »The state of TN completely changed their vaccine rollout plan. Among other things, they eliminated a category for multiple comorbidities and now I am in ohase 1c instead of phase 2. Also, there is a new phase 1c and phase 2 has been split into phases 2a and 2b. So I'm still in the 4th group.
They have added age-based rollout simultaneously with the rest of the vaccination categories and added estimates for dates.
My estimated date is March/Q2. This most likely means I will not get the vaccine until Q3/Q4 because I don't think I will be living in TN in March. If I move to the state I think I will, T1D is not considered to be a comorbidity at all despite everything we know about how this virus enters cells being a bigger concern for diabetics (all types because it is increased BG that is the issue). So I basically get stuck with everyone else. I just hope I don't get infected before then.
I will add that the Q3/Q4 2021 dates as the end of vaccinating everyone are extremely optimistic. This is partly because we have heard this may become an annual vaccine, so we start over again at that point. Also, current rate of vaccine distribution will take 7 years. So they need to start giving a lot more shots if they are going to finish in 1 year.
I agree. I don't think I'll even get vaccinated in 2021. Hate to sound like a pessimist but the initial roll out has been terrible. Initially, I was looking at Summer. No way. Fall is optimistic and more likely in 2022.
Hmmm...things seem to be going pretty well in NM. Most healthcare workers have received it and I was talking to a fire fighter friend of mine yesterday and he said he got his first shot last week as did most of the department.
My wife and I registered for ours earlier this week...it looks like I'll probably be sometime in March or April...my wife probably won't be until summer. The state is shooting for the end of August to have a good portion of the population vaccinated...basically anyone who wants one by the end of August.
50% of the healthcare workers in a neighboring county here turned it down.
I know people with certain medical conditions, or pregnant women might not have enough data to feel like they’re making an informed decision. But I worry about the residual impact on the public if people who work in healthcare with the highest risk of exposure won’t take it.
It's sad and scary because we're now seeing rare terrible side affects blasted all over the media, from people having the vaccine. Trouble is, no matter what you put into your body there are bound to be side affects in a few people. I feel for the ones who *are* having affects from the vaccine BUT the worst affects are rare, same as with flu vaccines, and other vaccines as well. And maybe a lot of people are still waiting to see how the vaccines all play out, feeling skeptical of how fast they've been developed and passed, plus wondering how effective they are.5 -
(Not glove-hoarding, BTW. My local hospital system was taking donations of unopened boxes of gloves at first, so I donated the unopened one of the big 2-pack I'd recently bought at Costco for crafts use, but kept the open one. Not using them often any more, but have them ready, including a small bag of them in the car, just in case. Suspect using gloves to avoid getting paint on my face/clothes is good practice for not spreading viruses to my face/clothes, though not a perfect analog.)
I don't think there's currently a shortage, is there? I got a bunch of them because my cat is taking a medicine that you rub into his ear wearing gloves, and so I ordered a package of gloves before picking up the medicine, only to learn that a glove was provided with the medicine. I don't use gloves, so would be happy to donate the box I bought if someone wanted it, but I don't think anyone does anymore.
Depends on the kind of glove, I think. We’ve had to ration the nitrile gloves of a certain thickness for our custodians as those will protect their hands from the sanitizing spray. We have other gloves of all kinds for everyone else as a germ barrier.
Mine are the cheapo gloves, nothing special. Someone who wears them when they go out might find them useful, but they seem to be generally available.0 -
I won't do grocery delivery or pick up unless forced to. I did 2 deliveries earlier in all of this. They messed them both up. I had chosen specific items if a substitution had to be made or selected no substitution. I have food allergies and restrictions. They just did not seem to pay attention to what I had on the order. Multiple items I could not eat unless I wanted to get sick. Horrible produce quality. It was just bad experiences.
So now grocery shopping is pretty much the only thing I go out for. I go to Aldi and Fresh Thyme first thing in the morning so I miss the crowds. I wear my mask. I keep my distance. I get in and out.
It's also good for my mental health to at least have that.
I go early when there are few people and everyone is wearing a mask.
Early on in the pandemic, due to the extreme hours I was working, I tried food delivery. The substitutions were laughable and I never tried again. My two favorites:
* Asked for Keto Cookie Dough; substitution was canned cranberry jelly
* Asked for grated Parmesan cheese; substitution was pear baby food.
😂😂😂😂
I sometimes go to the grocery store, but do delivery when it's easier (which is most of the time). Part of this is my own local grocery is not ideal wrt how comfortable I feel there (vs lots of other stores), and I actually ordered from WF somewhat regularly before covid (although I also went there in person a lot). When I last tried to go there in person there was a line, although that may not be the case anymore (this was in the summer).
Anyway, WF has been exemplary for me re delivery and substitutions. They ask before substituting anything (it's a requirement you can request) and the people have been very good. A couple of times I wondered if I would be able to find the original thing I wanted (like fresh herbs for holiday cooking) if I were there, but it wasn't a big thing. I've ordered from my local supermarket too, and they are also generally fine except they have an annoying habit of leaving out one of my items on occasion and the shopper got confused about types of winter squash. The only bad (for me) substitution I ever had was regular peanut butter for my peanuts and salt only kind (I don't like the other kind plain, but have used it in a stew and may eventually make peanut butter cookies). On occasion the produce chosen has been not exactly as I would have picked (although with WF they are pretty good about that too, IME), and I have had substitutions suggested that I rejected in the past. Usually I think this is due to them being out of whatever I ordered (frozen strawberries to be replaced with frozen mixed fruit early on in the covid era, for example). For months (other than right around the holidays when butternut squash was apparently impossible to find), I've consistently got everything I wanted, no subs needed.
This could be location specific, of course.
And to be clear, I absolutely do not judge anyone for going to the grocery store vs delivery. I go to some other stores. I just wanted to say I haven't found delivery a bad experience personally (and I don't think it's immoral/unethical to use it either).10 -
It would be nice to see more data and some investigation about this... short explanation is that the 90%+ effectiveness is based on positive tests in placebo vs. vaccine group. If you include all the symptomatic cases that never got tested, it's 19%. Then if you exclude those with symptoms within 7 days of the vaccine (could be side effects), it is 29%.
I am still on team vaccine because 29% is better than 0% and probably means a milder case too. However, it is worrisome and deserves to be investigated and explained.
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/01/04/peter-doshi-pfizer-and-modernas-95-effective-vaccines-we-need-more-details-and-the-raw-data/5 -
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2021/01/11/vandals-leave-graffiti-home-kentucky-public-health-commissioner-steven-stack/6620360002/
On top of the virus we have this going on.7 -
Sad, very sad that people/country puts more emphasis in celebrating a sport or a team than celebrating life and health. With this kind of behavior and attitude we are never going to conquer this pandemic. Unless we are all dead! The longer the virus is around, the more chances it has to mutate.
Fans crowd Tuscaloosa bars before Alabama-Ohio State kickoff despite COVID-19
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2021/01/11/tuscaloosa-bars-packed-alabama-ohio-state-coronavirus-cfb-playoff-championship/6631892002/9
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