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So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.9
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So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
How are they keeping track of this? Don’t you have to show ID’s at least?0 -
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missysippy930 wrote: »So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
How are they keeping track of this? Don’t you have to show ID’s at least?
I believe that the prior requirement was solely proof of being over 65. As of yesterday, must prove full time or seasonal residency. There is a list of how to prove.4 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)8 -
Some This Week in Virology stuff:
They said it looks like the US case spike has peaked, which means the spike in deaths will peak in a couple of weeks, which is... terrifying
They clarified that it looks like the effectiveness numbers advertised by the Pfizer/Moderna jabs are reached at about 2 weeks after the second shot. They are also confident based on data that vaccinated immunity will last at least one year.
Suggested that every doctor should be giving a covid test to every patient they see for any reason to help stay on top of asymptomatic spread, and are discouraged that testing is still nowhere near as available and commonplace in the US as it should be.
The Johnson & Johnson vaccine released Phase 2 data, this is the very small scale human testing, so the data is limited. They expect it to be a one shot process, but are also testing a booster shot to see if it shows any benefits. The limited phase shows 90% effectiveness 29 days after the first shot and 100% by day 57, no data was released about what if any affect the 2nd dose had. They expect Phase 3 completed results to be released by the end of the month. No safety flags have been seen, so they expect to file for EUA approval in February. J&J has been rapidly producing vaccine as they work through the trial phases and claim they will have several million doses stockpiled by the time they get approved. This sounds really positive
and if J&J can add millions of doses to our current predicament by some time in February, that could be a big help. 9 -
Wanted to add - I was curious what type of vaccine the J&J vaccine is so I googled and learned some stuff.
Please note the following descriptions are my amateur understanding of what I read and might not be entirely correct lol
Most traditional vaccines contain a deactivated version of the virus they are vaccinating against.
Pfizer and Moderna contain a specific spike protein RNA strand of the virus they are vaccinating against, not the whole virus.
J&J is a little different - they take a deactivated version of one of the common cold viruses and add the covid19 spike protein to the virus. This is a blueprint they have already used for their Ebola virus vaccine, which they've given hundreds of thousands of doses of.15 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)
@AnnPT77 With my father, I never know what is going on as he is great for creating excuses for anything he does not want to do. To his credit, he was saying that there is some defect in his blood that was identified just prior to his last cancer and may be associated that cancer (I think it was his lymphoma and I remember the defect can be associated with multiple myeloma). He claims that that defect also is somehow associated with the modality of either COVID or the vaccine and he is concerned that that puts him at a different risk. I honestly did not follow it and was driving at the time or I would have written notes to investigate. My big question is could the johnson and johnson vs the two mRNA vaccines be safer in his case. As I mentioned, I may see if my sister has useful input. I certainly do not.5 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)
@AnnPT77 With my father, I never know what is going on as he is great for creating excuses for anything he does not want to do. To his credit, he was saying that there is some defect in his blood that was identified just prior to his last cancer and may be associated that cancer (I think it was his lymphoma and I remember the defect can be associated with multiple myeloma). He claims that that defect also is somehow associated with the modality of either COVID or the vaccine and he is concerned that that puts him at a different risk. I honestly did not follow it and was driving at the time or I would have written notes to investigate. My big question is could the johnson and johnson vs the two mRNA vaccines be safer in his case. As I mentioned, I may see if my sister has useful input. I certainly do not.
Posting mainly so it's clear I'm not ignoring your post.
Yes, that makes sense. I said what I did because there seemed to be an implication - or at least an opportunity for lurkers to infer - from some posts that having had cancer in and of itself created extra risk from the virus or the vaccine, independent of other factors. IMU, there's not currently a reason to believe that just having had cancer or cancer treatment, regardless of timing or type of cancer treatment, has any implications for Covid or its vaccines.
Just my amateur understanding, though . . . but from a topic I do pay pretty close attention to, because of possible personal implications.4 -
Just an observation, of partial applicability to some previous posts.
As a generality, there's nothing about simply being a cancer survivor that, IMU, increases risks of the vaccine or disease, if there are no other complications. (I'm a long-term survivor of quite advanced cancer, and had quite aggressive treatment.)
However, if the cancer or its treatment caused (for example) long-term organ damage that's still in the picture, or had other long-term health consequences, perhaps that would be a thing that could cause differences in response, and talking with one's doctor would be a really good idea.
Also, if someone has recently been treated for cancer, it does take a period of time for the immune system to move from the immunosuppressed state that some treatments may cause (and where there may be special risks), so that's another "talk to doctor" scenario. Likewise if there's an ongoing medication regimen related to cancer treatment that might be a concern, that's a "talk to doctor" scenario, too, IMO. (Sometimes people don't think of these long-term meds as cancer treatment, which is why I mention that . . . but I haven't heard that the meds I'm most familiar with (antihormonals, basically) are a cause for concern. Can't hurt to ask, though.)
@AnnPT77 With my father, I never know what is going on as he is great for creating excuses for anything he does not want to do. To his credit, he was saying that there is some defect in his blood that was identified just prior to his last cancer and may be associated that cancer (I think it was his lymphoma and I remember the defect can be associated with multiple myeloma). He claims that that defect also is somehow associated with the modality of either COVID or the vaccine and he is concerned that that puts him at a different risk. I honestly did not follow it and was driving at the time or I would have written notes to investigate. My big question is could the johnson and johnson vs the two mRNA vaccines be safer in his case. As I mentioned, I may see if my sister has useful input. I certainly do not.
Posting mainly so it's clear I'm not ignoring your post.
Yes, that makes sense. I said what I did because there seemed to be an implication - or at least an opportunity for lurkers to infer - from some posts that having had cancer in and of itself created extra risk from the virus or the vaccine, independent of other factors. IMU, there's not currently a reason to believe that just having had cancer or cancer treatment, regardless of timing or type of cancer treatment, has any implications for Covid or its vaccines.
Just my amateur understanding, though . . . but from a topic I do pay pretty close attention to, because of possible personal implications.
@AnnPT77 I agree with you and I thought that was why they were specifically trying to vaccinate medically compromised individuals. BTW I did a search, and I recognized what my father referenced and that was IgG and IgA. That should at least help my call with my sister.3 -
I'm a covid survivor, thankfully with no after effects.
The one prep I would urge all here to consider is supplementing their diet with Vit D. It's a low cost and low risk precaution to potentially mitigate the worst case outcomes of COVID.
Op-Ed: Don't Let COVID-19 Patients Die With Vitamin D Deficiency
— We can't wait for perfect evidence
Does vitamin D deficiency increase the severity of COVID-19?
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I would suggest checking if you are Vitamin D deficient first -and if so, supplementing.
Not just for Covid reasons but general health
More striking was that vitamin D deficiency was found in 97% of severely ill patients who required ICU admission but in only 33% of asymptomatic cases, suggesting that low levels are a necessary component of severe COVID-19.
that may well be so - but doesnt mean had those same patients not been deficient in vitamin D, their Covid outcome would of been different.
It just as likely suggests people vulnerable to getting Covid due to age or co morbidities are also those likely to be deficient in Vitamin D - which strikes me as being expected news,not at all surprising - given people who are obese, very old, chronic illness are less likely to be doing outside activites and therefore getting enough Vitamin D from sunshine
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So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
I saw that and was relieved for the Florida folks! The news interviewed people coming in from other countries just to get vaccinated: from Canada to Argentina to Columbia.2 -
Received dose #1 of the Moderna vaccine today! 😃 Arm is the tiniest bit sore—so little I wonder if I’m thinking it is because I think it should be.
We’ll see about tomorrow. 🤞🏻 One of my colleagues had some soreness in his arm and upper back.
Next dose in 4 weeks! I’m feeling relieved that some of my work risk will be mitigated in another month. I expect another spike in positive tests when they come back to campus after leaving for spring break.16 -
What worries me about the current situation is, what about poor and homeless people who have no ID? It’s pretty easy to fall off the planet as far as having a valid driver’s license, and the sort of person who ends up in this situation is also likely to be living in a group situation where Covid spreads easily.So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
I saw that and was relieved for the Florida folks! The news interviewed people coming in from other countries just to get vaccinated: from Canada to Argentina to Columbia.
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rheddmobile wrote: »
What worries me about the current situation is, what about poor and homeless people who have no ID? It’s pretty easy to fall off the planet as far as having a valid driver’s license, and the sort of person who ends up in this situation is also likely to be living in a group situation where Covid spreads easily.So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
I saw that and was relieved for the Florida folks! The news interviewed people coming in from other countries just to get vaccinated: from Canada to Argentina to Columbia.
Yes it's the poor in most countries that will have to deal with more cases of this I think. Very sad for sure.3 -
It's quite heart breaking to read these posts, even the recent ones about the vaccine.
I'm lucky enough to live in a quiet insignificant corner of the world that has largely dodged the covid 19 bullet. (New Zealand) Apparently we'll start getting a vaccine March or April, but we're not a priority because we don't have it outside of border quarantine. We're all pretty chilled about it.
Really sad to hear what's going on in the US and Europe. I hope you all manage to get the vaccine soon.
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rheddmobile wrote: »
What worries me about the current situation is, what about poor and homeless people who have no ID? It’s pretty easy to fall off the planet as far as having a valid driver’s license, and the sort of person who ends up in this situation is also likely to be living in a group situation where Covid spreads easily.So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
I saw that and was relieved for the Florida folks! The news interviewed people coming in from other countries just to get vaccinated: from Canada to Argentina to Columbia.
Not just poor, but many elderly who no longer drive may have no ID. These people are in a high risk group for age already, plus may have other comorbidities.5 -
Received dose #1 of the Moderna vaccine today! 😃 Arm is the tiniest bit sore—so little I wonder if I’m thinking it is because I think it should be.
We’ll see about tomorrow. 🤞🏻 One of my colleagues had some soreness in his arm and upper back.
Next dose in 4 weeks! I’m feeling relieved that some of my work risk will be mitigated in another month. I expect another spike in positive tests when they come back to campus after leaving for spring break.
My sister and her husband had almost no reaction to their Moderna vaccinations. She described the "tiniest bit of arm soreness" as well. Very similar to the flu shot she said.
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NYC officially ran out of doses. We expect to get more some time next week. Still so many vulnerable that need it. I'm probably last in line to even see it.9
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »NYC officially ran out of doses. We expect to get more some time next week. Still so many vulnerable that need it. I'm probably last in line to even see it.
I recall reading that NYC was like Florida in that a non-insignificant portion of their shots were going to non-NYC residents.2 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »NYC officially ran out of doses. We expect to get more some time next week. Still so many vulnerable that need it. I'm probably last in line to even see it.
I recall reading that NYC was like Florida in that a non-insignificant portion of their shots were going to non-NYC residents.
I'm not sure about that. Even so, still not enough doses in a general sense.2 -
T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
What worries me about the current situation is, what about poor and homeless people who have no ID? It’s pretty easy to fall off the planet as far as having a valid driver’s license, and the sort of person who ends up in this situation is also likely to be living in a group situation where Covid spreads easily.So Florida has finally caught on that people are coming to Florida for "Vaccine Vacations", even foreigners. As of yesterday, they have gotten smarter and are tightening up who qualify for the vaccines currently being distributed.
I saw that and was relieved for the Florida folks! The news interviewed people coming in from other countries just to get vaccinated: from Canada to Argentina to Columbia.
Not just poor, but many elderly who no longer drive may have no ID. These people are in a high risk group for age already, plus may have other comorbidities.
Also formerly incarcerated have obstacles to getting ID. Many are released with no ID, no place to live, no transportation. Reentry takes a lot of logistical help that some get and some don't.5 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »NYC officially ran out of doses. We expect to get more some time next week. Still so many vulnerable that need it. I'm probably last in line to even see it.
Our county in TN has been without vaccine for 3 weeks with no news on whether we will get any anytime soon.1 -
DH and I had disagreement about vaccine admin protocols this AM. Our area (TX urban) is getting vaccine doses in batches of ~5,000 (registered county waitlist >200,000 and growing). The problem here is planning. The emergency coordinators know 2 days in advance when doses will be here. The LAST thing they want to do is give people appointments, have them show up, and have no vaccine to give. They fear people will get annoyed and not try again. Hence, the number of appointments available corresponds to a high confidence of dose availability, but with one day notice, the number of appointments available can double or triple. When this has happened, administrators have opened appointments to people not technically in 1A or 1B just to fill the slots fast. It is frustratingly luck of the draw. Efforts to manage the unplanned excess have resulted in city/county leaders resorting to ad hoc communication which has been, predictably, confusing and pissed each other off.
Our city has several hospital systems. Our parents see doctors in the largest system which has set up a very efficient off site vaccine center. DH and I see doctors in a different hospital system that is doing a lower vaccine volume. Our system is basically telling us "don't call us we'll call you" regarding a waitlist for getting appointments. But people my age are getting last minute appointments through the other hospital system.
Here was our disagreement: I said I now wish I saw doctors in the larger system (you can't register there unless you see a doctor in that system or get an access code provided by county health department specifically for the vaccine-- I tried). My reason was they are doing greater volume so there is a better shot at last minute excess vaccine appointments. He said, "So, you'd rather be in a system that breaks the rules." I don't think they are breaking the rules. I think they have greater capacity and are adjusting to dynamic supply by dynamically lowering the age requirement to fill appointments. At least all of our parents (octogenarians all) have now received the 1st dose. The relief at that was so much greater than I could have anticipated. Whew!6 -
Hopefully the vaccine rollout going forward in the USA will become more reliable and the communication about who, where, how to get it will become better. My concern with some of the elderly or homeless who need it now is that in order to get on it you must have access to internet and be adept at finding things on the internet, etc. The local fairgrounds opened drive through site for appointments and was booked solid within 30 minutes. Same with the nearby clinic. I thought my doctors office would notify me when the clinic would get vaccines, even heard that from a nurse, but that is not the case, probably because they couldn't know for sure when or how much they would get. Things are going to get better now, we've got professionals in charge and they've got a plan!4
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Just heard a radio report this AM, so went looking for details. What I found reinforces what people are saying about other states:
Michigan would like to be getting 50,000 shots in arms daily, but are delivering around 23,000 recently, reportedly mostly due to supply. (That's what I see here: The mechanisms are geared up, seem to be operating efficiently, but don't have supply so can't make many appointments.)
Counties (or coalitions of them, in some more sparsely-populated regions) are primarily responsible for facilitating these first public distributions. Some counties are doing better than others (logistically and numbers), but in most counties at least 5-6% of the population have gotten the first dose, and some the second. Twelve counties are in double digits (10-17%), mostly the sparsely-populated upper peninsula, reportedly because they received higher supplies per capita early on. Nine counties are below 5%. (There are 83 counties total.) The overall state rate for first shots is just over 6% of population.
Source of details: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2021/01/6-of-michigan-adults-vaccinated-against-covid-19-so-far-see-numbers-in-your-county.html1 -
Not sure how the other states allocations have been, supposedly by population? but heard on the tv that Iowa is 35th by population, but their allocation is in 48th place, and we have a relatively older population compared to some. Think I will be waiting for awhile for an appointment. But still thankful that they have now moved people 65+ up the list a little.2
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Chef_Barbell wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »NYC officially ran out of doses. We expect to get more some time next week. Still so many vulnerable that need it. I'm probably last in line to even see it.
I recall reading that NYC was like Florida in that a non-insignificant portion of their shots were going to non-NYC residents.
I'm not sure about that. Even so, still not enough doses in a general sense.
from CNN:
New York City has vaccinated health care workers or other essential workers like teachers or firefighters who work in the city but live outside the five boroughs. According to NYC data, about 73% of those NYC has vaccinated live in the city, 15% live in another part of New York state, and the rest live in New Jersey, Connecticut, or another state or did not provide their residence.0 -
@AnnPT77 - Thought you might be interested about convo with my oncologist sister this morning. Her advice to my father was that "he" was exactly the type of person for whom the vaccine was most important. Though she stated it is not yet clear about giving the vaccine to individuals who are currently receiving chemotherapy.5
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