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Yes, as I understand it, teachers would be non-healthcare frontline essential workers, so 1b.
With the rolllout in some states, seniors over 75 have prioritized with the limited supply (Florida). Not a value statement, just that 1b is a really big group and the vaccine supply is limited.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Well, coronavirus prep has translated to less winter storm prep needed. Normally the shelves would have been bare and stores mobbed yesterday and the day before, but we must be all stocked up here in Massachusetts.
I placed a grocery order to be delivered a day ahead of the storm, because I hadn't shopped or ordered for four weeks. For the first time since about last May, I encountered a paper goods shortage. Out of a whole page of various brands and package sizes for paper towels, there was only one that wasn't out of stock when I placed my order. And by the time they filled my order, even that option was out of stock. I assumed/hoped it was because of the storm and not a new pandemic shortage.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »T1DCarnivoreRunner wrote: »I also can't see why schools are not considered to be a risk. My assumption is that it is because most children do not get severe illness. This idea ignores teachers and support staff, family members of those teachers and support staff, and family members of students who bring it home after catching from a fellow student. How is that not a concern?!
Agree with all you have said. I'll take a stab at how schools are not considered a risk (although I personally do not agree with that conclusion).
My hypothesis starts with the assumption that the school transmission data available is skewed by disproportionate representation by private schools, I.e.:- more school resources
- less classroom crowding
- vastly fewer special needs kids that might have distancing difficulty or require close contact
- ability to immediately expel/suspend kids who don't follow rules
- comparatively wealthy student body, where wealth correlates inversely to probability of infection (more likely to WFH, less likely to need public transportation or have public facing jobs, less dense living circumstances so better able to isolate within the home)
Hence, in-person school data is overrepresented by kids less likely to show up at school infected. Remote schooling data overrepresented by kids living in conditions where they are more likely to become infected. So while it appears in-person compares favorably to remote schooling, what is really going on is you see the effects of comparing a disproportionately wealthy population to a disproportionately poor one. The outcome has more to do with the risk profiles the groups you are comparing, not whether they attend in-person or remote.
I think you may be on to something. In Israel schools were indeed a severe factor in community transmission, so the idea that children don’t transmit the disease can’t be accurate.
Locally in Memphis, they are claiming schools are not a risk but school sports are a major factor. However, over 65% of our cases, the contact tracing fails to identify where it came from, so how do they know enough about anything to even make remarks like that? Clearly they are missing something when more than half of cases come who knows where.
Thanks, I didn't know what that number was, but it's what I always wonder about when some institution (like gyms or restaurants) claim they haven't had any COVID transmissions at their business/facility. I always think, "not that you know about."
It's much easier to trace transmissions to households, coworkers, or events like weddings and funerals, where you know who was exposed to whom. If you pick it up from a stranger on public transportation, in a bar/restaurant/gym or from an asymptomatic child who brings it home from school where they got it from another asymptomatic child who got it from an adult in their household with a mild case who never got tested and convinced themself it was just a cold or an allergy so they could continue sending their kid to school ... well, those would be the transmissions I would expect to fall into the 65%.9 -
Yes, as I understand it, teachers would be non-healthcare frontline essential workers, so 1b.
With the rolllout in some states, seniors over 75 have prioritized with the limited supply (Florida). Not a value statement, just that 1b is a really big group and the vaccine supply is limited.
That might actually make sense given actual death and hospitalization rates, of course, and the opposite (elderly having an issues getting vaccines while frontline workers having no probs) is the case in some other states from what has been posted and what I've heard locally.
But yes, 1b is a large group and it varies geographically even within states.3 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Well, coronavirus prep has translated to less winter storm prep needed. Normally the shelves would have been bare and stores mobbed yesterday and the day before, but we must be all stocked up here in Massachusetts.
I placed a grocery order to be delivered a day ahead of the storm, because I hadn't shopped or ordered for four weeks. For the first time since about last May, I encountered a paper goods shortage. Out of a whole page of various brands and package sizes for paper towels, there was only one that wasn't out of stock when I placed my order. And by the time they filled my order, even that option was out of stock. I assumed/hoped it was because of the storm and not a new pandemic shortage.
Yeah, same here. I ordered a bunch of stuff from HD and tried to add toilet paper and they were low, although I'm supposed to get what I ordered (will see). Can stillget a 4-pack at my 7-11 no problem, however.
I did find that the snow is affecting grocery delivery. Instacart is fine, but amazon from WF has been much worse than usual. It's clearly weather-related here.3 -
My 83 yo mother FINALLY got an appointment for next week for the vaccine. My sister and I had been trying every day at 4 locations on our state's website. Mom had a mammogram at the local hospital recently and THEY called HER to give her a number where she could call to make an appt. This location is NOT on my state's website.6
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Been talking about schools the last couple of days. This came out today in Tucson.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/az-supt-tucson-unified-lost-6-employees-to-covid-in-one-week?fbclid=IwAR3fWvfPQL_rsMyXx174KHXr1aUBO5EYUjk2yiIocSz44l7Y8fM39VPeQSk
Personally, I feel we are putting employees/teachers of the school district's lives on the line for parents and kids that are suffering greatly on the other side. It's a no win situation. What's unclear from the article is if they contracted it while the school was in session, before the Holidays, or if they contracted it from community spread.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »Been talking about schools the last couple of days. This came out today in Tucson.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/az-supt-tucson-unified-lost-6-employees-to-covid-in-one-week?fbclid=IwAR3fWvfPQL_rsMyXx174KHXr1aUBO5EYUjk2yiIocSz44l7Y8fM39VPeQSk
Personally, I feel we are putting employees/teachers of the school district's lives on the line for parents and kids that are suffering greatly on the other side. It's a no win situation. What's unclear from the article is if they contracted it while the school was in session, before the Holidays, or if they contracted it from community spread.
No offense to anyone doing the work to track this but unless there is a significant event, like Sturgis or college students coming back to a community IMO pretty hard to track where it's coming from4 -
Theoldguy1 wrote: »
No offense to anyone doing the work to track this but unless there is a significant event, like Sturgis or college students coming back to a community IMO pretty hard to track where it's coming from
Sturgis was a great example of manipulation/misrepresentation.
Someone in an ivory tower worked their spreadsheet algorithm magic and projected 260,000 infections. It was all over the news.
Actual numbers were under 500 cases, though it may be higher now. Couldn't find a recent tally.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »Well, coronavirus prep has translated to less winter storm prep needed. Normally the shelves would have been bare and stores mobbed yesterday and the day before, but we must be all stocked up here in Massachusetts.
I placed a grocery order to be delivered a day ahead of the storm, because I hadn't shopped or ordered for four weeks. For the first time since about last May, I encountered a paper goods shortage. Out of a whole page of various brands and package sizes for paper towels, there was only one that wasn't out of stock when I placed my order. And by the time they filled my order, even that option was out of stock. I assumed/hoped it was because of the storm and not a new pandemic shortage.
Yeah, same here. I ordered a bunch of stuff from HD and tried to add toilet paper and they were low, although I'm supposed to get what I ordered (will see). Can stillget a 4-pack at my 7-11 no problem, however.
I did find that the snow is affecting grocery delivery. Instacart is fine, but amazon from WF has been much worse than usual. It's clearly weather-related here.
I'm thinking that a shortage must be localized, whether storm-related or otherwise. Here (mid-Michigan) Costco was heavily stocked with the full range of paper products, many brands/types, when I was there on Friday 1/29. (We didn't get major snow in our forecast over the weekend.) I was in two other stores, one of the WF, the other a similar local store. For sure the latter had paper products, but I don't remember being in that aisle in WF.0 -
Ok, so someone posted this on another site I visit which I've copied/pasted below. This sounds like a bunch of hooha to me but I'm the first to admit I haven't kept up nearly as well as most of you have. Any opinions on this??
"No ..No...No...look up reports on virology. Merck..stopped making it...Moderna has had way too many oops!!!! This was a natural occurring virus...the Chinese tampered with it....The Fake news is telling you its ok. Do your own research..please...!!! our government is lying to us....and the masks....our children will have side effects..Fauci worked with the chinese govt and has invesments there.....CDC is in bed with big.pharma."
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snowflake954 wrote: »I confused about all the discussion of water temp. Here are CDC's instructions for washing a mask. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-wash-cloth-face-coverings.html
Remember, when you are cleaning COVID from your hands, it is soap/detergent that matters. No one scalds there hands to remove the virus.
I spray my cloth mask with a disinfectant and then wash. As for hands, alcohol (gel) immediately kills COVID, so some of that before handwashing will be safer.
I have similarly disinfected my mask by spraying down with rubbing alcohol.
I bought this Tide antibacterial spray for fabric, I use that and then hand wash with detergent.
Something to know about coronaviruses, they hate soap. Regular old soap, doesn’t even have to be detergent. You don’t need specific antibacterial products (a virus is not a bacteria anyway) and in fact soap works faster against coronaviruses than some of the hardcore disinfectants such as bleach and alcohol. A Coronavirus has a lipid envelope which, when in the presence of water and soap, has to be both at once, absorbs the water and pops the envelope, killing the virus.
I know it seems like disinfectant or alcohol would be better, but really in the case of this one type of virus, soap is the best thing there is at killing it.
That goes against what most of us were taught about viruses - I was always taught that viruses weren’t killed by hand washing, it was just that washing physically removed them from hands - but that advice is about different viruses.12 -
kshama2001 wrote: »My 83 yo mother FINALLY got an appointment for next week for the vaccine. My sister and I had been trying every day at 4 locations on our state's website. Mom had a mammogram at the local hospital recently and THEY called HER to give her a number where she could call to make an appt. This location is NOT on my state's website.
Congratulations @kshama2001 My parents (86 tomorrow and 84) have received emails (MGH, my father, and Beth Isreal, my mom) stating invitations to sign up. They are waiting to hopefully get two from he same medical organization so they can do it at the same time together.
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rheddmobile wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I confused about all the discussion of water temp. Here are CDC's instructions for washing a mask. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-to-wash-cloth-face-coverings.html
Remember, when you are cleaning COVID from your hands, it is soap/detergent that matters. No one scalds there hands to remove the virus.
I spray my cloth mask with a disinfectant and then wash. As for hands, alcohol (gel) immediately kills COVID, so some of that before handwashing will be safer.
I have similarly disinfected my mask by spraying down with rubbing alcohol.
I bought this Tide antibacterial spray for fabric, I use that and then hand wash with detergent.
Something to know about coronaviruses, they hate soap. Regular old soap, doesn’t even have to be detergent. You don’t need specific antibacterial products (a virus is not a bacteria anyway) and in fact soap works faster against coronaviruses than some of the hardcore disinfectants such as bleach and alcohol. A Coronavirus has a lipid envelope which, when in the presence of water and soap, has to be both at once, absorbs the water and pops the envelope, killing the virus.
I know it seems like disinfectant or alcohol would be better, but really in the case of this one type of virus, soap is the best thing there is at killing it.
That goes against what most of us were taught about viruses - I was always taught that viruses weren’t killed by hand washing, it was just that washing physically removed them from hands - but that advice is about different viruses.
I remember all that being discussed in the early months. I know I referenced detergent, but I think of that as what one using on fabric, and soap on my hands. Not sure that I know the difference between the two except the words are not the same.1 -
I just volunteered with our local healthcare company to help with Covid-19 vaccinations.21
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Ok, so someone posted this on another site I visit which I've copied/pasted below. This sounds like a bunch of hooha to me but I'm the first to admit I haven't kept up nearly as well as most of you have. Any opinions on this??
"No ..No...No...look up reports on virology. Merck..stopped making it...Moderna has had way too many oops!!!! This was a natural occurring virus...the Chinese tampered with it....The Fake news is telling you its ok. Do your own research..please...!!! our government is lying to us....and the masks....our children will have side effects..Fauci worked with the chinese govt and has invesments there.....CDC is in bed with big.pharma."
Handy guide to almost-certain BS these days:
* Uses the term "fake news"
* Says "do your own research" (and often offers a link to some YouTube train wreck video, or equivalent, as a starting point)
There are some other less notable indicators in there, too.
In general, if you ask me, be suspicious of anything (other than jokes) that uses multiple exclamation points multiple times, in any context.
It's the usual conspiracy theory nonsense. Don't go down that rabbit hole. Sure, follow virologists - real ones, like that podcast @kimny72's mentioned. Among my friends are tuned-in epidemiologists & other level headed medical professionals. They follow and support the CDC's conclusions, generally speaking.23 -
Ok, so someone posted this on another site I visit which I've copied/pasted below. This sounds like a bunch of hooha to me but I'm the first to admit I haven't kept up nearly as well as most of you have. Any opinions on this??
"No ..No...No...look up reports on virology. Merck..stopped making it...Moderna has had way too many oops!!!! This was a natural occurring virus...the Chinese tampered with it....The Fake news is telling you its ok. Do your own research..please...!!! our government is lying to us....and the masks....our children will have side effects..Fauci worked with the chinese govt and has invesments there.....CDC is in bed with big.pharma."
Yes, this IS "a bunch of hooha."11 -
Thanks you two; I was 99% sure it was BS but wanted to run it by people here. You all are very well-informed and I trust what I read here.
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Theoldguy1 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Been talking about schools the last couple of days. This came out today in Tucson.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/az-supt-tucson-unified-lost-6-employees-to-covid-in-one-week?fbclid=IwAR3fWvfPQL_rsMyXx174KHXr1aUBO5EYUjk2yiIocSz44l7Y8fM39VPeQSk
Personally, I feel we are putting employees/teachers of the school district's lives on the line for parents and kids that are suffering greatly on the other side. It's a no win situation. What's unclear from the article is if they contracted it while the school was in session, before the Holidays, or if they contracted it from community spread.
No offense to anyone doing the work to track this but unless there is a significant event, like Sturgis or college students coming back to a community IMO pretty hard to track where it's coming from
I don't think anyone would get offended by that. We haven't, as a country, done any kind of significant contact tracing. So all infections are a guess as to how they caught it.4 -
kshama2001 wrote: »My 83 yo mother FINALLY got an appointment for next week for the vaccine. My sister and I had been trying every day at 4 locations on our state's website. Mom had a mammogram at the local hospital recently and THEY called HER to give her a number where she could call to make an appt. This location is NOT on my state's website.
Congratulations @kshama2001 My parents (86 tomorrow and 84) have received emails (MGH, my father, and Beth Isreal, my mom) stating invitations to sign up. They are waiting to hopefully get two from he same medical organization so they can do it at the same time together.
A word of advise, so just take it or leave it. My husband had his first shot last Saturday and I got it yesterday because I purposely scheduled the appointments few days apart. If one person has a reaction to the shot or discomfort for several days then the other one is free to help and carry on for few days. This may be specially indicated for the second shot which is the one delivering the punch. Just my two cents.
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