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Does fasted cardio burn more fat
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There's no reason *not* to eat every 3 hours, if that makes you happy. There's also no reason not to eat on any other schedule, for the same reason. Timing is about preference (based on fullness, energy and whatnot). Calories matter for weight loss, not the timing.
Good nutrition (a characteristic of overall average eating habits over time, not individual foods or their "cleanness") matters for health, body composition, etc.
Yeah I had to give up sugar in my diet and no milk0 -
I need to get 185g of protein per day in and the rest carbs and fats0
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My goal weight is 80kgs currently at 93.4kgs0
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sflano1783 wrote: »
Yeah I had to give up sugar in my diet and no milk
If those things don't make you ill (i.e. allergies or something), there's no reason not to eat them. There are reasons not to eat so very much of them (or any other one thing) that you can't get other nutrition you need, within your calorie goal.
You can eat sugar or dairy, in reasonable amounts, in the context of an overall appropriate way of eating, and still lose weight, still be healthy, etc. - as long as you don't have a medical reason to avoid those things.
I'm not encouraging you to eat junk food. I'm encouraging you not to limit things you personally enjoy - whatever those may be - for bogus reasons. I don't eat fast food (don't like it), am vegetarian (for almost 47 years now, for reasons unrelated to health claims), eat those 10 daily servings of veg/fruit most days (love my veggies/fruit soooo much!) . . . I'd be the last person who would be a junk food defender, or say that a person *must* eat junk food.
Eat food you enjoy, get good overall nutrition, hit your calorie goal. That's the basics. Pretty much anything else is optional frou-frou, when it comes to weight management or health.3 -
sflano1783 wrote: »I need to get 185g of protein per day in and the rest carbs and fats
185 may be a little higher than minimally essential for protein, but it's reasonable. (Other USA-ians, his goal weight is 176 pounds, current weight is just over 205 pounds.) Should be doable, if your calorie goal is reasonable.2 -
If those things don't make you ill (i.e. allergies or something), there's no reason not to eat them. There are reasons not to eat so very much of them (or any other one thing) that you can't get other nutrition you need, within your calorie goal.
You can eat sugar or dairy, in reasonable amounts, in the context of an overall appropriate way of eating, and still lose weight, still be healthy, etc. - as long as you don't have a medical reason to avoid those things.
I'm not encouraging you to eat junk food. I'm encouraging you not to limit things you personally enjoy - whatever those may be - for bogus reasons. I don't eat fast food (don't like it), am vegetarian (for almost 47 years now, for reasons unrelated to health claims), eat those 10 daily servings of veg/fruit most days (love my veggies/fruit soooo much!) . . . I'd be the last person who would be a junk food defender, or say that a person *must* eat junk food.
Eat food you enjoy, get good overall nutrition, hit your calorie goal. That's the basics. Pretty much anything else is optional frou-frou, when it comes to weight management or health.
Thanks Ann,
My dentist used to say to me give up eating sugar so I drink ZERO Drinks with no sugar or calories in them eg diet cola or juice diluted1 -
No.
Loss of bodyfat is due to a calorie defcit over time and not what fuel ratio you burn during short periods of exercise.
At lower exercise intensities you burn a higher PROPORTION of fat to carbs but you are also burning less calories and quite possibly less AMOUNT of fat compared to higher intensities that burns more calories.
If someone manipulates their exercise intensity to burn more carbs or fat that is negated when they next eat with more carbs or fat from your food either being stored or used.
Fasting for short periods does not deplete your onboard carbs stores enough to significantly influence the ratio of fat to carbs burned during exercise. e.g. you might have 2000 cals worth of glycogen stored and fasting overnight you are burning very, very little of that as you are running almost entirely on fat.
Yay - sleep yourself thin!
When I was hooked up to a gas analyser in a sports science lab it wasn't until my pulse hit 130bpm (rough equivalent to cycling at 16mph) that carbs overtook fat as the predominant fuel being used.
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Can I still lose fat eating anything once I track everything and weigh out foods even without getting the right amount of protein each day as long as its within my calories but if I go that way I might feel more hungry eating non clean foods as some junk don't fill you up1
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sflano1783 wrote: »Can I still lose fat eating anything once I track everything and weigh out foods even without getting the right amount of protein each day as long as its within my calories but if I go that way I might feel more hungry eating non clean foods as some junk don't fill you up
As long as you are in calorie deficit you will lose weight...4 -
As long as you are in calorie deficit you will lose weight...
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That's what I did this past June till November and lost 40lbs of extra fat. People at my gym still don't believe it. And I don't work out fiendishly hard either. I train one body part a day for about 30-45 mins and just walk daily. BUT I did track everything I ate and stayed in a little higher than moderate calorie deficit.sflano1783 wrote: »Can I still lose fat eating anything once I track everything and weigh out foods even without getting the right amount of protein each day as long as its within my calories but if I go that way I might feel more hungry eating non clean foods as some junk don't fill you up
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sflano1783 wrote: »Can I still lose fat eating anything once I track everything and weigh out foods even without getting the right amount of protein each day as long as its within my calories but if I go that way I might feel more hungry eating non clean foods as some junk don't fill you up
If you don't get a reasonable amount of protein on average (i.e., on most days), you will struggle to achieve your muscle-gain goal. Protein is the building block for muscle. You need to eat it a certain amount, to gain muscle. The occasional low day here or there is probably not a huge issue, but a reasonable amount most of the time is important if you're serious about muscle gain.
Others' opinions will differ, but these guys (research based, generally regarded as neutral, not selling supplements), suggest that a guy your size could eat 112-167g protein daily and be OK, if I got your stats right.
https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/
Calories determine weight loss. Good nutrition is important for health, energy, and body composition. Body composition includes goals of muscularity.
Of course you'll find it useful to eat foods that are filling for you. Eating *some* less filling, less nutrient dense food may be OK - you may still be able to feel full overall. It's not all or nothing. If you eat mostly filling, nutritious foods all day, but eat a serving of potato chips within your calorie goal, it doesn't cancel out your other foods' calories or nutrition. (Yeah, some people find it hard to stop at one serving of potato chips. So, that could be a problem, even if you're feeling full. You can figure out how to handle these things yourself: Experiment.)3 -
That's what I did this past June till November and lost 40lbs of extra fat. People at my gym still don't believe it. And I don't work out fiendishly hard either. I train one body part a day for about 30-45 mins and just walk daily. BUT I did track everything I ate and stayed in a little higher than moderate calorie deficit.
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I agree here. TOO MUCH emphasis is put on protein in excess for muscle. Many competitive bodybuilders do a lot of excess because with DRUGS, they have a higher protein synthesis process. Hence they are freaky as hell in hypertrophy.
If you don't get a reasonable amount of protein on average (i.e., on most days), you will struggle to achieve your muscle-gain goal. Protein is the building block for muscle. You need to eat it a certain amount, to gain muscle. The occasional low day here or there is probably not a huge issue, but a reasonable amount most of the time is important if you're serious about muscle gain.
Others' opinions will differ, but these guys (research based, generally regarded as neutral, not selling supplements), suggest that a guy your size could eat 112-167g protein daily and be OK, if I got your stats right.
https://examine.com/nutrition/protein-intake-calculator/
Calories determine weight loss. Good nutrition is important for health, energy, and body composition. Body composition includes goals of muscularity.
Of course you'll find it useful to eat foods that are filling for you. Eating *some* less filling, less nutrient dense food may be OK - you may still be able to feel full overall. It's not all or nothing. If you eat mostly filling, nutritious foods all day, but eat a serving of potato chips within your calorie goal, it doesn't cancel out your other foods' calories or nutrition. (Yeah, some people find it hard to stop at one serving of potato chips. So, that could be a problem, even if you're feeling full. You can figure out how to handle these things yourself: Experiment.)
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Can I lose weight eating every few hours like how many hours between meals should I eat for fat loss0
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Every few hours or eat all day long, it does not matter. As long as you are in calorie deficit you will lose. Cannot be stated enough.7
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In short:
Calorie Deficit for Fat Loss (How much you eat)
Macro/Micro Nutrient Awareness/Consumption for adequate nutrition/satiety/adherance to calorie deficit (What you eat)
Meal Frequency for adherance to calorie deficit and working around your personal schedule (How often you eat)
Meal Timing for adherance to calorie deficit and working around your personal schedule/preferences (When you eat)
Cardio exercise for cardio health
Strength Training for maintaining/gaining muscle, increasing strength & improving bone density
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sflano1783 wrote: »Can I lose weight eating every few hours like how many hours between meals should I eat for fat loss
Are you reading any of the replies?
The only thing that counts for weight loss is a calorie deficit. You can eat whatever foods you want, at whatever times you want, in whatever order you want. If you are consistently in a calorie deficit over a period of time you will lose weight and if not, you won't. It is that simple.10 -
Calorie deficit for fat loss. That's all it takes.
Well-designed strength training program, faithfully performed, plus good overall nutrition (especially but not exclusively enough protein) for muscle gain.
Fat loss (especially if trying to keep/gain muscle at the same time) is slow. It won't show up as scale weight loss every day or even every week. Over many weeks, you'll know whether you're losing fat, by scale weight and by tape measurements or appearance.
Muscle gain is even slower, especially if pursing fat loss at the same time. You'll see results in more like months to years.
You keep coming back and asking us the same questions, mere days apart. You will not reliably see results in days. It takes longer. Much longer.
If you don't believe what we're telling you, that's fine . . . but asking again is not going to draw out different answers. In particular, it's not going to draw out answers that are more like what you may want to hear. You're going to get answers that are what we believe, and what (for many of us) we've seen take place in our own lives.
You've talked about wanting fat loss and muscle gain. For those goals:
Eat at a small calorie deficit to lose fat slowly.
Faithfully follow a good strength training program to gain muscle, which is going to be very slow.
Get good overall nutrition (especially protein, but not just protein) to support muscle gain and health.
Be patient. Very patient.
Beyond that, do what works for you to stay full and happy, and keep things practical and affordable, because your routine needs to be sustainable. It's going to take months for noticeable overall progress, maybe even years to reach your personal ideals. Patience.10 -
technically it should because you will be pulling from the fat for energy instead of calories already taken in and stored sugar. your body will have already burned through the stored sugar and such just leaving you burning from the fat0
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Calorie deficit for fat loss. That's all it takes.
Well-designed strength training program, faithfully performed, plus good overall nutrition (especially but not exclusively enough protein) for muscle gain.
Fat loss (especially if trying to keep/gain muscle at the same time) is slow. It won't show up as scale weight loss every day or even every week. Over many weeks, you'll know whether you're losing fat, by scale weight and by tape measurements or appearance.
Muscle gain is even slower, especially if pursing fat loss at the same time. You'll see results in more like months to years.
You keep coming back and asking us the same questions, mere days apart. You will not reliably see results in days. It takes longer. Much longer.
If you don't believe what we're telling you, that's fine . . . but asking again is not going to draw out different answers. In particular, it's not going to draw out answers that are more like what you may want to hear. You're going to get answers that are what we believe, and what (for many of us) we've seen take place in our own lives.
You've talked about wanting fat loss and muscle gain. For those goals:
Eat at a small calorie deficit to lose fat slowly.
Faithfully follow a good strength training program to gain muscle, which is going to be very slow.
Get good overall nutrition (especially protein, but not just protein) to support muscle gain and health.
Be patient. Very patient.
Beyond that, do what works for you to stay full and happy, and keep things practical and affordable, because your routine needs to be sustainable. It's going to take months for noticeable overall progress, maybe even years to reach your personal ideals. Patience.
I asking cause I haven't got answers to my diet plan I dunno what to eat for each meals and how many meals per day that will keep me from craving other foods etc0 -
I need around 2116kcals per day to be in a calorie deficit0
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jeannabug94 wrote: »technically it should because you will be pulling from the fat for energy instead of calories already taken in and stored sugar. your body will have already burned through the stored sugar and such just leaving you burning from the fat
Jeana read the thread. If you do, you will discover that technically it makes little to no difference if at a particular minute, say minute 976 of my day, I burned through 9 Cal of fat or through 6 Cal of carbohydrates and 3 Cal of fat, because what really matters is whether over 1440 minutes I ate 2500 or 3000 Cal and whether I burned 3000 or 2500 Cal during the 1440 minutes while doing all the above.
Because the final fat storage tally will be vastly different if I ate 2500 and spent 3000 vs eating 3000 and spending 2500, regardless of whether during minute 976 I spent 1g of fat vs 0.33g of fat and 1.5g of carbs
And by the way, since long term energy storage is fat, the 500 Cal would still be about 55g of fat up or down for the day regardless of the energy partitioning during each individual minute6 -
sflano1783 wrote: »
I asking cause I haven't got answers to my diet plan I dunno what to eat for each meals and how many meals per day that will keep me from craving other foods etc
That's because there is no set number of how many meals you "should" eat or foods you are "supposed to" eat.
You can eat what you like, and what satisfies you, and what fits in your calorie goal. That is a very personal thing: what I like and makes me full might not be what you like. You need to try things and figure out what works for you personally. Start with foods you enjoy, in appropriate portion sizes to meet your calorie goal.3 -
sflano1783 wrote: »
I asking cause I haven't got answers to my diet plan I dunno what to eat for each meals and how many meals per day that will keep me from craving other foods etc
You can eat whatever you want, as long as the result is a calorie deficit.
You can have however many meals you want per day, as long as the result is a calorie deficit.
That's all it takes for weight loss.
As far as what will help you resist cravings, nobody can just hand you that answer. What works for me might be different than what works for you.
What many people have found is that when their calorie goal is reasonable, they're meeting their nutritional needs (especially protein, fiber, and fat), and they're regularly eating foods they enjoy, cravings aren't as much of a problem.4 -
Total depletion of glycogen is RARE. While there are some that have and PAID for it (Triathletes running on fumes then hitting the ground because they burned through all their stores), the body doesn't break down fat that quickly for energy to move voluntary muscle without a major crash. And the majority of even fasted people (myself included) don't hit that apex.jeannabug94 wrote: »technically it should because you will be pulling from the fat for energy instead of calories already taken in and stored sugar. your body will have already burned through the stored sugar and such just leaving you burning from the fat
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janejellyroll wrote: »
You can eat whatever you want, as long as the result is a calorie deficit.
You can have however many meals you want per day, as long as the result is a calorie deficit.
That's all it takes for weight loss.
As far as what will help you resist cravings, nobody can just hand you that answer. What works for me might be different than what works for you.
What many people have found is that when their calorie goal is reasonable, they're meeting their nutritional needs (especially protein, fiber, and fat), and they're regularly eating foods they enjoy, cravings aren't as much of a problem.
THIS. Don't complicate it. I'm a night eater. That's why I MAKE SURE I have calories for evening snacking. I eat my meals based on my habitual behavior of eating. I just make sure that I fulfill my macro/micronutrient needs and count my calories.
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Total depletion of glycogen is RARE. While there are some that have and PAID for it (Triathletes running on fumes then hitting the ground because they burned through all their stores), the body doesn't break down fat that quickly for energy to move voluntary muscle without a major crash. And the majority of even fasted people (myself included) don't hit that apex.
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I think twice in my life I've come close to depleting my glycogen (both during marathons when I made unwise fueling decisions). It's an unpleasant feeling I wouldn't wish on anyone and it's absolutely different than the everyday feeling of exercising in a fasted state.1 -
sflano1783 wrote: »
I asking cause I haven't got answers to my diet plan I dunno what to eat for each meals and how many meals per day that will keep me from craving other foods etc
Experiment with different macro ratios, timings and frequencies, as long as you remain in a calorie deficit, fat loss will happen, using your Food Notes section can be a good way to note days you had more or less hunger. Setting the names of your meals to time slots instead of Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner, Snacks can also help you look back over meal timings and frequencies to review what has or hasn't worked. Bear in mind that if you're changing macros around you may see a gain on the scale, even if you're in a deficit, that is just water retention and it doesn't mean what you're doing isn't working.
Cravings tend to happen more often when you make foods you like off limits, see if you can satisfy craving with smaller portions of those things or substitutions for them before considering cutting them altogether.
For example if you like fries, obviously the kind you get from a fast food place are going to be pretty calorific because they are usually deep fried. The humble potato itself is not that calorific and has some pretty decent nutritional value, I make my own fries by tossing chipped potato in a couple of sprays of 1 cal oil spray and some seasoning and bake it for 30 mins.
I use light Philadelphia cheese as a substitute for Ricotta or Cream when making gratins/lasagne, etc.
I try not to keep large packs of snack foods in the house or if I do, I'll try to portion them out into small tubs of a 100-150cal serving. As I mentioned earlier upthread I made homemade chocolate cake, but the bulk of it was Beetroot (400g) and Eggs (4) and there was no butter or oil, very little sugar and only very dark chocolate in it it tasted delicious but was higher in Protein and Fibre than anything I would have bought at a shop.
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Just had a wholemeal brown bread ham sandwich and cup of black tea lovely last meal of the day and fits into my calories for today12
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