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@snowflake954 Hubby just called his mother and relayed what info. She was thoroughly confused and she recounted another story relating to the town. She said there is a small grocery store in the town and the husband and wife owners contracted COVID. The store was closed, the contents of the store thrown out, and every customer that had entered in the previous X days was tested. They are comparing the struggle to WW II, and Orsogna was a key battle ground between the germans and the allies.1
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@snowflake954 Hubby just called his mother and relayed what info. She was thoroughly confused and she recounted another story relating to the town. She said there is a small grocery store in the town and the husband and wife owners contracted COVID. The store was closed, the contents of the store thrown out, and every customer that had entered in the previous X days was tested. They are comparing the struggle to WW II, and Orsogna was a key battle ground between the germans and the allies.
Small Italian towns, especially in the mountains, tend to be in a mindset at least 50 yrs behind the times. COVID is frightening many people. The older generation is very set in their ways.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Hubby just called his mother and relayed what info. She was thoroughly confused and she recounted another story relating to the town. She said there is a small grocery store in the town and the husband and wife owners contracted COVID. The store was closed, the contents of the store thrown out, and every customer that had entered in the previous X days was tested. They are comparing the struggle to WW II, and Orsogna was a key battle ground between the germans and the allies.
Small Italian towns, especially in the mountains, tend to be in a mindset at least 50 yrs behind the times. COVID is frightening many people. The older generation is very set in their ways.
@snowflake954 That could be a factor in this all!3 -
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snowflake954 wrote: »Astra Zeneca has been suspended in Italy pending further investigation.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/03/14/976994771/ireland-joins-list-of-countries-pausing-use-of-astrazenecas-covid-19-vaccine
It's unclear if the vaccine was responsible for the blood clots. Also, it's yet to be proven the number of blood clots would be above what the population likely would have without the vaccine. (Just because they had the vaccine and had blood clots doesn't necessarily mean that the vaccine caused the blood clots.)
Americans, you don't need to worry about this one -- this is the European version.6 -
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hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.13 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
Well also the "truth" when it comes to science is often complicated and what we know and understand today may not be the same as next month or year. Or you need to understand some context and background before really understanding the science -- which is not generally conveyed through a meme even a good one. People by nature want hard and fast facts that are easy to digest...science doesn't really work that way.7 -
kenyonhaff wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
Well also the "truth" when it comes to science is often complicated and what we know and understand today may not be the same as next month or year. Or you need to understand some context and background before really understanding the science -- which is not generally conveyed through a meme even a good one. People by nature want hard and fast facts that are easy to digest...science doesn't really work that way.
QFT. There's an analogy I absolutely love. Reuben Hersch, a philosopher of mathematics, says the actual work mathematicians do is like a restaurant. There's a front and a back. The front is where customers dine and it looks placid and serene. The front of mathematics looks similarly placid, with right answers and wrong answers and clear distinctions between them, no uncertainties. This is not how actual mathematics works at all. Real mathematics is like the restaurant in back, the kitchen, where it can be chaotic and uncertain, messy with lots of experimentation. People work with concepts like, "it may look like..." and "I'm wondering if..." I totally identify with this in physics, also. There is so much gray area that non-scientists prefer not to see. I am not a biologist or infectious disease expert, but as a scientist, it is not hard to imagine and appreciate nuance even if I don't understand it.10 -
I have a red itchy rash, similar to hives or eczema, came on within about a week of the 1st shot (Pfizer). I've had eczema prior to the shot, but was not in an active break out, and usually my eczema confined itself to my elbow area. This rash has appeared on my forehead, wrists, forearms, ankles and maybe my back (I can't see but it itches too). My feet and hands feel like they itch terribly but there is no rash there, just itch. I don't know for sure that it is a side effect of the shot or if it is something else that is doing this which I cannot determine. I hate the itch.15
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Had my first shot on Sunday, didn't even feel the needle. Didn't feel anything until Monday morning. Had a feel like I might be coming down with something but I went into work. It got worse as the day progressed. Felt like I had COVID for a day, but am headed back to normal today.15
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cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
are you saying my degree from the university of facebook is useless?18 -
Just saw a story on the news that a baby born three weeks after the mom was vaccinated tested positive for antibodies
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Just saw a story on the news that a baby born three weeks after the mom was vaccinated tested positive for antibodies
Good news! In addition, it seems that the mother's antibodies after vaccination have been found in breast milk too. That will give the newborn/infant a good level of protection. Although the study is small and not peer reviewed yet, the results are promising since the transmission of the antibodies in-utero (directly thru the blood), is different than the transmission via breast milk (GI track).
Check the link below.
Study: COVID-19 Antibodies Found In Breast Milk After Vaccine
https://www.wtrf.com/news/health/coronavirus/study-covid-19-antibodies-found-in-breast-milk-after-vaccine/10 -
kenyonhaff wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
Well also the "truth" when it comes to science is often complicated and what we know and understand today may not be the same as next month or year. Or you need to understand some context and background before really understanding the science -- which is not generally conveyed through a meme even a good one. People by nature want hard and fast facts that are easy to digest...science doesn't really work that way.
Yeah - some folks want there to be a 100% guarantee that if they get the vaccine, they will automatically have a viral load of 0 and have 0% chance of spreading the virus. If they don't have that guarantee, they say No.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
Yes, after Jan 6 I had to start fact checking memes before I passed them along. I'd share the meme AND a news article from a reputable source.
Or if someone else shared a meme I'd chime in with sourcing.5 -
I had the second shot, felt really tired for one day but that was it.12
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I got the first shot yesterday and by late afternoon I was exhauseted and slept for 3 hours after I got home. Hope the 2nd shot doesn't cause a lot more symptoms.6
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An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
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Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
Finland is another rarity in Europe, still vaccinating with AZ. The Finnish health officials just published their statistics research today, and here's the point: while some people have gotten blood clots after getting the AZ vaccine, the amount of post-vaccine blood clots is proportional to the amount of blood clots in the same time period and demographic without the vaccine. So according to the officials it's the same as with deaths: people die (and get blood clots) at the same rate as before, some of those people just coincidentally get the vaccine right before it happens.
Finland is continuing to vaccinate with Astra Zeneca unless the EU medical agency (EMA) publishes a statement on the contrary.15 -
First dose of Pfizer on Monday. Sore arm but not BAD sore like with the shingles shot where it felt dead. LOL. A little tired yesterday and little headachy Monday afternoon but that could all be coincidence too. Looking forward to finishing up in early April and moving on. To me it is really great to see more and more posts here and other social media with folks getting vaccinated. I hope they are able to clear the AZ so Europe can continue as this is world wide and not an us vs them thing. It's exciting to me to see the stats in the US starting to look better and better. Whether it is because of the vaccinations or something else who knows. We are having spring break soon and with more and more things open and kids moving around it will definitely be the true test in April.11
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cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
are you saying my degree from the university of facebook is useless?
kenyonhaff wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »hobbitses333 wrote: »
This is one of the reasons why memes make for bad "news"...they're usually not factual. I'm always amazed at the number of people on FB or twitter or whatever who actually present memes as factual "news" and legitimate debate.
Well also the "truth" when it comes to science is often complicated and what we know and understand today may not be the same as next month or year. Or you need to understand some context and background before really understanding the science -- which is not generally conveyed through a meme even a good one. People by nature want hard and fast facts that are easy to digest...science doesn't really work that way.
QFT. There's an analogy I absolutely love. Reuben Hersch, a philosopher of mathematics, says the actual work mathematicians do is like a restaurant. There's a front and a back. The front is where customers dine and it looks placid and serene. The front of mathematics looks similarly placid, with right answers and wrong answers and clear distinctions between them, no uncertainties. This is not how actual mathematics works at all. Real mathematics is like the restaurant in back, the kitchen, where it can be chaotic and uncertain, messy with lots of experimentation. People work with concepts like, "it may look like..." and "I'm wondering if..." I totally identify with this in physics, also. There is so much gray area that non-scientists prefer not to see. I am not a biologist or infectious disease expert, but as a scientist, it is not hard to imagine and appreciate nuance even if I don't understand it.
I was going to respond with a bunch of nerdery, but that was perfect!
All the science we had up to Jan of 2020, some of it took 20-100 years to get "settled" via replicated studies and refuting studies. A slow-mo hot-mess of back and forth and around. Suddenly, we had to watch it all play out in real time. We literally don't know, until we get the data, we can only make an educated guess. And data takes time to come in. They can't say something for certain until there is evidence. We are spoiled in this "point and click" world. You can't always get Amazon-shipping-like results.12 -
Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
Finland is another rarity in Europe, still vaccinating with AZ. The Finnish health officials just published their statistics research today, and here's the point: while some people have gotten blood clots after getting the AZ vaccine, the amount of post-vaccine blood clots is proportional to the amount of blood clots in the same time period and demographic without the vaccine. So according to the officials it's the same as with deaths: people die (and get blood clots) at the same rate as before, some of those people just coincidentally get the vaccine right before it happens.
Finland is continuing to vaccinate with Astra Zeneca unless the EU medical agency (EMA) publishes a statement on the contrary.
Well, this lasted long. After two cases of blood clots in brains (don’t know the medical word in English), Finland is pausing AZ vaccinations until March 29 to get more research.3 -
Got my Pfizer first dose last night and my husband is getting his Moderna first dose today.
He has to drive two hours each way to get his, but it's worth it.
As of yesterday, my parents both got their second shots, so in a few weeks, I'll feel comfortable visiting them again. Might be able to have Easter dinner with them!16 -
My dad got his second Moderna yesterday. He feels a little under the weather today but sounded good on the phone.5
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My mom got her second Moderna shot a week ago. No reaction to either shot. She’s 95. My aunts and uncle had no reactions either (all in their 90s). Who knows, Mom could go back to teaching piano in the near future when her students get vaccinated. She has taught for nearly 60 years but stopped after the pandemic started.18
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Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
Finland is another rarity in Europe, still vaccinating with AZ. The Finnish health officials just published their statistics research today, and here's the point: while some people have gotten blood clots after getting the AZ vaccine, the amount of post-vaccine blood clots is proportional to the amount of blood clots in the same time period and demographic without the vaccine. So according to the officials it's the same as with deaths: people die (and get blood clots) at the same rate as before, some of those people just coincidentally get the vaccine right before it happens.
Finland is continuing to vaccinate with Astra Zeneca unless the EU medical agency (EMA) publishes a statement on the contrary.
Well, this lasted long. After two cases of blood clots in brains (don’t know the medical word in English), Finland is pausing AZ vaccinations until March 29 to get more research.Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
Finland is another rarity in Europe, still vaccinating with AZ. The Finnish health officials just published their statistics research today, and here's the point: while some people have gotten blood clots after getting the AZ vaccine, the amount of post-vaccine blood clots is proportional to the amount of blood clots in the same time period and demographic without the vaccine. So according to the officials it's the same as with deaths: people die (and get blood clots) at the same rate as before, some of those people just coincidentally get the vaccine right before it happens.
Finland is continuing to vaccinate with Astra Zeneca unless the EU medical agency (EMA) publishes a statement on the contrary.
Well, this lasted long. After two cases of blood clots in brains (don’t know the medical word in English), Finland is pausing AZ vaccinations until March 29 to get more research.
And Canada is still using it and has extended the recommendations for Astra Zeneca to anyone 60+ as of now, they were originally doing only up to 64 but now older people can get it. I imagine there might be some hesitancy though with so many countries stopping it.2 -
LisaGetsMoving wrote: »I have a red itchy rash, similar to hives or eczema, came on within about a week of the 1st shot (Pfizer). I've had eczema prior to the shot, but was not in an active break out, and usually my eczema confined itself to my elbow area. This rash has appeared on my forehead, wrists, forearms, ankles and maybe my back (I can't see but it itches too). My feet and hands feel like they itch terribly but there is no rash there, just itch. I don't know for sure that it is a side effect of the shot or if it is something else that is doing this which I cannot determine. I hate the itch.
I had something similar, though just a patch on my arm. Thought it was a bug bite. Hydrocortisone cream did not help. 😢
It might not be related to the vaccine, and it could be as “vaccine arm” is a thing. I did not experience it again after the second shot.
You could always do a telemedicine check with your doc or urgent care to double check.
Hope it clears up soon!5 -
Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
Finland is another rarity in Europe, still vaccinating with AZ. The Finnish health officials just published their statistics research today, and here's the point: while some people have gotten blood clots after getting the AZ vaccine, the amount of post-vaccine blood clots is proportional to the amount of blood clots in the same time period and demographic without the vaccine. So according to the officials it's the same as with deaths: people die (and get blood clots) at the same rate as before, some of those people just coincidentally get the vaccine right before it happens.
Finland is continuing to vaccinate with Astra Zeneca unless the EU medical agency (EMA) publishes a statement on the contrary.
Well, this lasted long. After two cases of blood clots in brains (don’t know the medical word in English), Finland is pausing AZ vaccinations until March 29 to get more research.Antiopelle wrote: »An update from Belgium on the AZ vaccine. A lot of countries in Europe have put the AZ vaccines on hold as they suspect there might be a link with bloodcloths. Our little country is almost the only one who is not only continuing with the vaccine, but also see an opportunity to get more shots available to the public. If AZ cannot deliver to other countries, we are happy to take over their share. At a vaccination rate of 9% (first and second shot together on the population older than 18), we desperately need some more. The risk outweighs the Covid risk.
The EMA (European Medicine Agency) is doing a study as we speak and they will share their findings tonight.
And as in almost every other EU country, we see a dramatic surge in contamination, hospitalizations and ER beds being taken by Covid patients. The alarming trend is that the patients in ER are younger than before (almost all care home residents are vaccinated) and decline more rapidly. The trend in contamination is booming in the 0-19 years segment. The only factor that we can think of is that the British variant - which is now the most identified - is simply much more contagious and produces heftier symptoms.
Finland is another rarity in Europe, still vaccinating with AZ. The Finnish health officials just published their statistics research today, and here's the point: while some people have gotten blood clots after getting the AZ vaccine, the amount of post-vaccine blood clots is proportional to the amount of blood clots in the same time period and demographic without the vaccine. So according to the officials it's the same as with deaths: people die (and get blood clots) at the same rate as before, some of those people just coincidentally get the vaccine right before it happens.
Finland is continuing to vaccinate with Astra Zeneca unless the EU medical agency (EMA) publishes a statement on the contrary.
Well, this lasted long. After two cases of blood clots in brains (don’t know the medical word in English), Finland is pausing AZ vaccinations until March 29 to get more research.
And Canada is still using it and has extended the recommendations for Astra Zeneca to anyone 60+ as of now, they were originally doing only up to 64 but now older people can get it. I imagine there might be some hesitancy though with so many countries stopping it.
A lot of the European countries that initially paused Astra Zeneca have now continued. The only reason I can think of for Finland pausing at this point is appearances, considering two days ago officials still said risk of covid outweighs the possible increase in blood clot risks, and we’re only pausing for a week.4 -
My mom got her second Moderna shot a week ago. No reaction to either shot. She’s 95. My aunts and uncle had no reactions either (all in their 90s). Who knows, Mom could go back to teaching piano in the near future when her students get vaccinated. She has taught for nearly 60 years but stopped after the pandemic started.
She sounds like an amazing woman!!5
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