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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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Death is far from the only bad thing covid can do to you. How's your medical insurance, do you know what a hospital stay costs especially if you find yourself in an ICU?7
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hobbitses333 wrote: »@hobbitses333 please provide link to the official ingredient list of any of the covid-19 vaccines then, and we'll discuss.
Vaccines are hardly experimental concoctions (at least not any more than other medicines).
List of metals/chemical elements in the multivitamin I take currently (might not meet chemical classification of heavy metal, I'm no chemist): magnesium, iron, iodine, copper, manganese, chromium, selenium and zinc. All healthy and necessary. Can't really compare these to the ingredient list of a vaccine without seeing it, though. These are all recommended by my public healthcare provider who doesn't get a dime from the vitamins I buy, and who very much has an interest in keeping me and my unborn child healthy so my child will one day become a tax-paying citizen who can do their part to keep the society and economy running.
I am not here to do the research for you just to point out that you may need to do some. The ingredient list for vaccine is available at your fingertips if you want it, try the CDC website though it is rife with proapganda, and when looking up the definitions of the ingredients I suggest you use duck duck go..I can assure you it is much different than your multivitamin.
Vitamins are also not vaccines with ingredients such as Potassium chloride, Sodium chloride, Monobasic potassium phosphate, Dibasic sodium phosphate dehydrate etc, aluminum Though you may want to look into what they are using as fillers in those vitamins while you are doing research as a precaution. Congrats and good luck with your baby. Note if you spoon-fed your child the ingredients in the vaccines you may be planning to give them you would be jailed, but if a vaccine injures you or your child the makers are not liable. Fair game.
It may be legal for you to spout nonsense advice which can kill people if they follow it, but it isn’t moral or right. Almost every point on your graphic is a flat out baldfaced lie.
Pfizer has a list of their ingredients here. None of them are nearly as likely to kill you as Covid. My good friend’s previously healthy father is dead now because of Covid, so please don’t try to convince us it doesn’t kill people.
https://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/the_facts_about_pfizer_and_biontech_s_covid_19_vaccine21 -
I mean let's all fear dihydrogen monoxide. It's in everything.
I got the vaccine. I work in healthcare and was so grateful to get it.
You can always find 1 expert who is against something. Maybe listen to the 99 others who are for it!15 -
I am all for getting it! Matter of fact I got dose #1 of Pfizer on Monday this week and am scheduled early April for #2. I don't like having a sore arm or with the 2nd possibly a fever for a day but compared to having the "bad" Covid I think it's a slam dunk choice.
If you had asked me this in 2017 I might have said no. My background is military and one time in the 80s when we were having a readiness exercise they must have given me 4 shots all at one time to "catch me up". I had a significant reaction and was very ill for 48 hrs. After that I never took shots at all. I rarely get sick.
But our workplace changed from cubicles to open work space in about 2017 and in early 2018 I got the flu. WOW. That totally knocked me for a loop. It was awful. Fever for a week. Basically sleeping on the couch and pouring water out all night long so I had to wrap myself in a bath towel. I thought the water bed sprung a leak the first time. I lost my sense of taste and smell for several days and was not quite right for almost a month all told. If Covid was/is going to be worse than that I figured I would be in the hospital. Since then I have been a lot more careful and taken the flu shot with little to no reaction at all (except a sore arm). The shingles shots were awful but the shingles would be worse.
SO now esp with such amazing science to get us here with multiple vaccines I am ALL for vaccination. I have friends who want to "wait" and that is their balliwick. I mean if I were a lot younger I might wait also to see if perhaps longer term analysis could be done (like years!) . And I have friends who have had more recent reactions to vaccinations who will not get it either. And I guess I am OK with that. As long as they have legitimate reasons and not some whacko you are being chipped crap then they get no argument from me.
We know so little about the disease itself. I have seen people with no symptoms except loss of smell and others in ICU on vents. Some of it you can trace perhaps to secondary issues but some of it seem totally random. As long as it feels like a lotto as to whether you get mild or non symptomatic or end up with long Covid and a vent I think getting ANY vaccine to help prevent significant disease is the way to go.
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I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.10 -
Had my AZ vaccine two days ago. No after effects. Today I ran a 10k PB and have never felt better.6
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frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
If you link to anti-vax sites, being labeled "ANTI-VAX" is the risk you're running.18 -
Oh, well. The sites go on for days.
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‘We, the Editor and Publisher of Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A have retracted the article. Following the review and publication of the article, we were alerted to concerns about the scientific validity of the study.’
‘As a result, we sought advice on the methodology, analysis, and interpretation from a number of experts in the field.’
‘All of the post-publication reports we received described serious flaws in the statistical analysis and interpretation of the data in this paper, and we have therefore taken the decision to retract it.’
https://www.vaxbeforecancer.com/birth-rate-study-retracted -hpv-vaccine-infertility
Results
8.1% reported any infertility. Women who had ever been married and had received an HPV vaccine were less likely to report infertility (OR 0.04, 95% CI 0.01–0.57) in model 1. No other associations between HPV and infertility were found.
Conclusion
There was no evidence of increased infertility among women who received the HPV vaccine. These results provide further evidence of HPV vaccine safety and should give providers confidence in recommending HPV vaccination. Further research should explore protective effects of HPV vaccines on female and male fertility.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255493/
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‘We, the Editor and Publisher of Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A have retracted the article. Following the review and publication of the article, we were alerted to concerns about the scientific validity of the study.’
‘As a result, we sought advice on the methodology, analysis, and interpretation from a number of experts in the field.’
‘All of the post-publication reports we received described serious flaws in the statistical analysis and interpretation of the data in this paper, and we have therefore taken the decision to retract it.’
https://www.vaxbeforecancer.com/birth-rate-study-retracted -hpv-vaccine-infertility
Results
8.1% reported any infertility. Women who had ever been married and had received an HPV vaccine were less likely to report infertility (OR 0.04, 95% CI 0.01–0.57) in model 1. No other associations between HPV and infertility were found.
Conclusion
There was no evidence of increased infertility among women who received the HPV vaccine. These results provide further evidence of HPV vaccine safety and should give providers confidence in recommending HPV vaccination. Further research should explore protective effects of HPV vaccines on female and male fertility.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255493/
Thanks for looking this up and posting it.9 -
I had all my vaccines as a child and benefited from not dying of measles, or developing polio.
I will be down there like a shot when my turn comes round, and am very grateful that my parents have had it.
Would far rather that than end up in Intensive care, lung damage won't do my running ambitions any good....
I work with young people in engineering and am a big fan of the Science on a Postcard website.
I don't have this pin yet, but am tempted to add it to the collection
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I'm in healthcare (specifically communicable disease). I raced to get the vaccine as soon as it was offered to me. The majority of healthcare workers I am in contact with in both personal and professional ways desperately want the vaccine. I have had both doses of Moderna. There is no effort that I have heard (and I spend my days talking to healthcare professionals) to silence people. The effects of covid are unlike anything I have ever seen in my years in communicable disease. It is 100% not a disease I want to get, and I will get as many boosters as necessary to keep from getting it as it mutates.
And yes, I still have to wear my mask. I can only think that people who use that as an excuse to not get vaccinated have never seen the horror of a person on a vent. I am thrilled that I do not have to worry as much about that scenario now that I am vaccinated. And I am also thrilled to not get all of the organ damage that Covid can cause:
Covid effect on cardiovascular system:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33092737/
Covid effect on stroke risk:
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/covid-19-increased-stroke-risk
Covid effect on kidneys:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-kidney-damage-caused-by-covid19
Covid effect on brain:
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-hidden-long-term-cognitive-effects-of-covid-2020100821133
Covid effect on lungs:
https://www.uchealth.com/en/media-room/covid-19/short-and-long-term-lung-damage-from-covid-19
Covid effect on blood:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/what-does-covid-do-to-your-blood
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janejellyroll wrote: »‘We, the Editor and Publisher of Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A have retracted the article. Following the review and publication of the article, we were alerted to concerns about the scientific validity of the study.’
‘As a result, we sought advice on the methodology, analysis, and interpretation from a number of experts in the field.’
‘All of the post-publication reports we received described serious flaws in the statistical analysis and interpretation of the data in this paper, and we have therefore taken the decision to retract it.’
https://www.vaxbeforecancer.com/birth-rate-study-retracted -hpv-vaccine-infertility
Results
8.1% reported any infertility. Women who had ever been married and had received an HPV vaccine were less likely to report infertility (OR 0.04, 95% CI 0.01–0.57) in model 1. No other associations between HPV and infertility were found.
Conclusion
There was no evidence of increased infertility among women who received the HPV vaccine. These results provide further evidence of HPV vaccine safety and should give providers confidence in recommending HPV vaccination. Further research should explore protective effects of HPV vaccines on female and male fertility.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255493/
Thanks for looking this up and posting it.
I want to second this.6 -
frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
um, you do realize that just because you know 2 people with infertility that happened to have the vaccine that does not mean the vaccine caused their infertility?? that isn't even close to "proof" of what you are claiming.22 -
Muscleflex79 wrote: »frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
um, you do realize that just because you know 2 people with infertility that happened to have the vaccine that does not mean the vaccine caused their infertility?? that isn't even close to "proof" of what you are claiming.
I would guess that most women know of female friends or family who have trouble conceiving -- I know I do. I think it's a human tendency to look for patterns like this, especially if it makes us feel like we can control our own level of risk, but you're right that this is nothing close to proof.
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frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
Did they also have the meningitis, polio, chickenpox, MMR, Tdap, HepA and/or HepB vaccines? All these vaccines are also "highly encouraged" by the CDC I would imagine. Just wondering why you made the link between infertility and Gardisil, instead of one of the others?8 -
I'm a retired RN and I happily took both doses of the Moderna vaccine that was offered. In fact, we drove 2 hours to a less populated county to get it sooner. Vaccines have saved so many lives. They have also prevented disability. I'm 65. I know a woman just 1 year older that had polio, was crippled by it, and now has post polio syndrome. I was spared that fate when I got the polio vaccine. We don't know what is in store for those who had the disease and survived. We already have "long haulers". Will there be a post covid-19 syndrome years later? I am thankful for doctors, scientists, vaccines and medicine. I can't tell you how good it feels to know that I am 100% protected from being hospitalized or dying from Covid. I was an ICU nurse and unfortunately have watched many die from pneumonia and COPD. I can tell you that the sensation of not being able to breathe, even on a ventilator, is one of the worst ways to die I have ever seen. The way I see it, refusal to take the vaccine is taking an unnecessary risk with your life.13
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Not to derail the thread, but I really wish Gardisal had been available back when I was young.14
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frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
Did they also have the meningitis, polio, chickenpox, MMR, Tdap, HepA and/or HepB vaccines? All these vaccines are also "highly encouraged" by the CDC I would imagine. Just wondering why you made the link between infertility and Gardisil, instead of one of the others?
Also did they do any of the other of dozens and dozens of non-vaccination things that are relatively common experiences for women in that age range? There's not any evidence this is at all vaccine related or even that their trouble to conceive shares a common cause (not that you're arguing either of those things).
I could tell you that it's all plastic lining in cans or hormones fed to cows or fumes from new carpet or trace mineral deficiencies or untreated PID or 5G waves . . . all of those things are just as supported as blaming this particular vaccine.7 -
Most of my loved ones have received it and that's great. I am all for people doing whatever they feel is best for them.
But is no one allowed to have any concern regarding anything? Guess not. Yikes!
This forum is to discuss the COVID-19 vaccine and I brought up what I am hearing many women my age talk about it to see if anyone has any info. I thought it might be beneficial to see if there was any truth in it.
My comparison to Gardisal was simply to justify my generation's hesitation towards new vaccines.
I was not making an argument against the COVID-19 vaccine, but simply addressing common concerns to see if anyone has heard anything. This is a super common concern that MANY women are thinking about (and clearly unable to talk about). Sad but true! Ask around.
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
Anyway, this is a MyFitnessPal forum. Not Facebook. Let's help each other grow5
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