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COVID19 - To Vaccinate or To Not Vaccinate
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frecklesandkale wrote: »
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
This is the debate area of the forum.
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janejellyroll wrote: »frecklesandkale wrote: »
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
This is the debate area of the forum.
You're absolutely right. New to MFP - my bad. Peace out!6 -
I had a whole long post, but it appears freckles has conceded so I'll bow out too.3 -
I love when someone argues against something using spurious reasons and when it's pointed out, it turns into "Why does everything have to be a debate?"
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frecklesandkale wrote: »Most of my loved ones have received it and that's great. I am all for people doing whatever they feel is best for them.
But is no one allowed to have any concern regarding anything? Guess not. Yikes!
This forum is to discuss the COVID-19 vaccine and I brought up what I am hearing many women my age talk about it to see if anyone has any info. I thought it might be beneficial to see if there was any truth in it.
My comparison to Gardisal was simply to justify my generation's hesitation towards new vaccines.
I was not making an argument against the COVID-19 vaccine, but simply addressing common concerns to see if anyone has heard anything. This is a super common concern that MANY women are thinking about (and clearly unable to talk about). Sad but true! Ask around.
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
Anyway, this is a MyFitnessPal forum. Not Facebook. Let's help each other grow
Researching concerns is completely valid...and looking at actual studies is the best way to go about that rather than anti-vax sources and articles. You can google just about anything and find articles and blogs that support just about anything...just google "flat earth" and start reading...you will be amazed at how "real" it all seems because it's all been packaged and written on by believers...
In general, articles and blogs aren't great sources of factual information...they're just a story that the author wants you to read...they're usually biased, which becomes fairly obvious when you actually dive into studies and can clearly see when writers cherry pick data and/or misrepresent data out of context.
Also, asking questions is great...and debate is healthy...but you have to assume that if you're putting something out there on a debate forum that people will and have every right to also question what you've posted, particularly when it is posted as factual proof/evidence.
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frecklesandkale wrote: »Most of my loved ones have received it and that's great. I am all for people doing whatever they feel is best for them.
But is no one allowed to have any concern regarding anything? Guess not. Yikes!
This forum is to discuss the COVID-19 vaccine and I brought up what I am hearing many women my age talk about it to see if anyone has any info. I thought it might be beneficial to see if there was any truth in it.
My comparison to Gardisal was simply to justify my generation's hesitation towards new vaccines.
I was not making an argument against the COVID-19 vaccine, but simply addressing common concerns to see if anyone has heard anything. This is a super common concern that MANY women are thinking about (and clearly unable to talk about). Sad but true! Ask around.
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
Anyway, this is a MyFitnessPal forum. Not Facebook. Let's help each other grow
"but simply addressing common concerns to see if anyone has heard anything."
But that is what we are trying to do - have a conversation and respond to your concerns. You said young women were concerned with vaccine induced infertility, and we are responding with information that addresses that concern.
How does that equate to being unable to talk about it?
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frecklesandkale wrote: »Most of my loved ones have received it and that's great. I am all for people doing whatever they feel is best for them.
But is no one allowed to have any concern regarding anything? Guess not. Yikes!
This forum is to discuss the COVID-19 vaccine and I brought up what I am hearing many women my age talk about it to see if anyone has any info. I thought it might be beneficial to see if there was any truth in it.
My comparison to Gardisal was simply to justify my generation's hesitation towards new vaccines.
I was not making an argument against the COVID-19 vaccine, but simply addressing common concerns to see if anyone has heard anything. This is a super common concern that MANY women are thinking about (and clearly unable to talk about). Sad but true! Ask around.
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
Anyway, this is a MyFitnessPal forum. Not Facebook. Let's help each other grow
This is literally in the Debate section of the discussion forum. I believe that many have disagreed with your concerns. respectfully, but no one has disparaged you personally. That's not sad, that is conversation, unless you require validation, in which case you'll be disappointed for sure with such a volatile issue.
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frecklesandkale wrote: »Most of my loved ones have received it and that's great. I am all for people doing whatever they feel is best for them.
But is no one allowed to have any concern regarding anything? Guess not. Yikes!
This forum is to discuss the COVID-19 vaccine and I brought up what I am hearing many women my age talk about it to see if anyone has any info. I thought it might be beneficial to see if there was any truth in it.
My comparison to Gardisal was simply to justify my generation's hesitation towards new vaccines.
I was not making an argument against the COVID-19 vaccine, but simply addressing common concerns to see if anyone has heard anything. This is a super common concern that MANY women are thinking about (and clearly unable to talk about). Sad but true! Ask around.
Like I said, you can't ask questions nowadays. Everything turns into a debate. It's sad lol
Anyway, this is a MyFitnessPal forum. Not Facebook. Let's help each other grow
The thing is, your comparison to Gardisil DOESN’T justify your generation’s concern about vaccines, because there was nothing wrong with the Gardisil vaccine and the problems you posted about it turn out to be not true at all.
See, when someone says, “Gosh, our generation is justified in vaccine skepticism because we were forced to take a bad vaccine,” only that vaccine had nothing wrong with it, it kind of makes you wonder why you posted that in the first place. Were you mistaken about Gardisil? Why? Were you incapable of doing the sort of research others on this thread have done to find out that it was misinformation? Do you have some other motive for making people afraid of vaccines? Where is this coming from, since it’s not based in reality?13 -
Smallpox was a scourge on humanity for 10,000 years, maybe more maybe less, Ramses got it. The chain of infection stretches unbroken back before history. Humans were really clever about how we used vaccines and in my lifetime nobody has ever suffered from smallpox.
One of the people who used to babysit me when I was a kid died of covid. Mid 50s, healthy weight.
This is a no brainer people.14 -
frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
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It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me!
Let's discuss it.
Would you know or have easy access to one or two names of Australian virologists who are saying women of child bearing age shouldn't get any of the covid vaccines? I've heard nothing like that and a googling turned up nothing and I'd like to research it.6 -
frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
My first wife died from cervical cancer, most likely caused by HPV. I would prefer her to still be around, fertile or not.26 -
hobbitses333 wrote: »I have just as much right to voice my findings on this subject as anyone here.
Look up the ingredients in vaccines. Mmm.. An experimental concoction loaded with neurotoxins, heavy metals, poison, aborted fetal lung tissue to name a few. So healthy. Run for it if you want Its your life. Want you to make informed decisions.
Remember VAERS is only capturing passive voluntary reporting, a small fraction of whats really happening.
Thousands of frontline nurses medical professionals and doctors are trying to warn us and getting censored and threatened with job loss and more for it. Can anyone tell me any other time in history when such heavy censorship was used by the "good guys? I'll wait.
Nothing I have posted is untrue. We are getting lied to on a grand scale by people who dont give one crap about your outcome, only what they can make you do to qualify to buy their toxic products.
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"my findings"? $100 says you got all of this from FB and not any actual research you did.12 -
Some promising results coming out of a long-term care home outbreak here. LTC residents were one of the earliest groups to be vaccinated. On the day this home's residents received their first shot, a staff tested positive. Since then there have been 32 cases in the home (don't know how many staff vs residents) and all of the residents who are positive have been either asymptomatic or have had very mild symptoms. This despite the fact that they've only received one vaccination, and are in an age group that takes longer to develop immunity.
It works.17 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Muscleflex79 wrote: »frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
I have talked to about 20 women ages 25-32 and none of them plan on getting the vax. Keep in mind we are the generation that was pressured to get the Gardisal vaccine during our teens. We received them in gym class in 9th grade. Three painful shots to prevent HPV.
10-12 years later there are multiple studies on its link to infertility, etc. We are a worried bunch!
https://vaccineimpact.com/2018/study-hpv-gardasil-vaccine-linked-to-decline-in-fertility-rates-in-u-s-women-aged-25-29/
https://pregnant.sg/articles/link-between-hpv-vaccine-and-infertility/
https://www.baumhedlundlaw.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/gardasil-deaths/
I have 2 great friends that received Gardisal in 2008-2009 and have not been able to conceive. This was a vaccine that was HIGHLY encouraged by the CDC for all teens.
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
um, you do realize that just because you know 2 people with infertility that happened to have the vaccine that does not mean the vaccine caused their infertility?? that isn't even close to "proof" of what you are claiming.
I would guess that most women know of female friends or family who have trouble conceiving -- I know I do. I think it's a human tendency to look for patterns like this, especially if it makes us feel like we can control our own level of risk, but you're right that this is nothing close to proof.
I have known several and, due to our age, none of us were vaccinated for HPV.6 -
There is no reliable evidence based study that links Gardasil to infertility just like there is no proof that other vaccines cause autism.
It is the same with the Covid vaccine. When you actually understand the physiology of the human body and vaccines, it makes complete sense.
Vaccines do not harm anyone. All they do is stimulate an immune response which happens naturally anyway when we are exposed to viruses and bacteria in the environment.
The Covid vaccine is a code for the spike protein of Covid. It is a piece of RNA, genetic material. You have a greater chance of being harmed through the body’s immune response to the actual virus than you do through the vaccine, which isn’t even a complete virus.
Naturally people want to find something to blame their infertility or child’s birth defects on. But, it is foolish and unfair to blame vaccines because that logic just isn’t sound.
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I'll repeat a story I told in the original thread for those who haven't been reading there. A guest on the This Week in Virology podcast told a story that happened to his wife, a pediatrician. A woman brought in her baby/toddler for some standard vaccinations. While in the waiting room, the child had a seizure and unfortunately died. They have no idea why it happened.
She said that if that seizure, which was going to happen one way or the other, had happened an hour later, the child's mother would've been 100% convinced the vaccines caused it, and nothing would be able to change her mind. Even some doctors might be convinced. As @nooshi713 said, it's human nature to want someone or something to blame, even though we know that random illnesses and deaths we can't explain happen all the time. Random tragedy is scary. But the ingredients in vaccines aren't mysterious or scary, just most of us don't have the scientific background to recognize them.
I might not know the history of every ingredient, but I can see the drastic change in the consequences of vaccine-preventable diseases in recent human history. It's inspiring and convincing. I can listen to people who spend their lives fighting contagious diseases, who travel to poor communities all around the world to vaccinate, who hold the hands of dying patients and often risk getting infected themselves.15 -
frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
...<snip>...
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
Would you know or have easy access to one or two names of Australian virologists who are saying women of child bearing age shouldn't get any of the covid vaccines? I've heard nothing like that and a googling turned up nothing and I'd like to research it.
I'm sure there are 'qualified' people with opinions that go both ways on this vaccine, but they both lack supporting research since pregnant women were excluded from the trials that gather data.1 -
I have received both my shots of the phizer vaccine and had no side effects. It didn't even hurt at all, but I am used to shots. My husband received both shots, too, and his hurt a little. I am 53 and he is 62 and we live in a multigenerational family household. My son will be receiving his shots soon, because he works in security, a first- line responder.5
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frecklesandkale wrote: »I had COVID-19 in January.
(Age 29/female) - 2 weeks of bedrest and feeling horrible.
Based on the fact that I recently had it and I am not in a high-risk group, I will be waiting to decide whether or not I will get it. Currently leaning towards....no. Let me explain!
Many women my age are hesitant due to the lack of info regarding the longterm effects the vax could have on fertility/pregnancies/newborns who are breast-feeding, etc. Anyone know any recent studies on this? Many Australian virologists are urging women in their child-bearing years to refrain from receiving it.
...<snip>...
It seems unrealistic for scientists to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine is safe for women longterm when we haven't even seen it run its course for a year yet.
Sadly, we cannot even freely discuss it without being labeled ANTI-VAX. We aren't allowed to ask questions. What a world.
P.S. We just want more info. Don't cancel me! Let's discuss it.
Would you know or have easy access to one or two names of Australian virologists who are saying women of child bearing age shouldn't get any of the covid vaccines? I've heard nothing like that and a googling turned up nothing and I'd like to research it.
I'm sure there are 'qualified' people with opinions that go both ways on this vaccine, but they both lack supporting research since pregnant women were excluded from the trials that gather data.
She's not talking about pregnant women though. She said they are suggesting women of child bearing age not get vaccinated because of risk of infertility.
I agree, I'm sure there are differing opinions on currently pregnant women. But women if child-bearing age is quite a different argument.9
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