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Its what we hear here, the risks of Covid outweigh the risk of vaccination. BBC4 radio, Inside Health, this week were answering questions on the virus and vaccination. They were saying in general younger folks have stronger reactions on vaccination, to the vaccine than older persons. In the first couple of days its the body realising its encountered something different then it changes to the body producing antibodies at about 4 days.
With regard to the Oxford/AstraZeneca, the clotting issue is infrequent but anyone suffering headaches of longer duration they should make contact with their doctors for assistance.5 -
Its what we hear here, the risks of Covid outweigh the risk of vaccination. BBC4 radio, Inside Health, this week were answering questions on the virus and vaccination. They were saying in general younger folks have stronger reactions on vaccination, to the vaccine than older persons. In the first couple of days its the body realising its encountered something different then it changes to the body producing antibodies at about 4 days.
With regard to the Oxford/AstraZeneca, the clotting issue is infrequent but anyone suffering headaches of longer duration they should make contact with their doctors for assistance.
I appreciate the caution, but every vaccination has a small degree of adverse reaction; this is known. It would be more helpful to discern potential predispositions than stop the process altogether.3 -
I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.12
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Well, I made my appointment to get the Moderna dose. I was holding off so others with higher needs could get theirs, but my son asked me to go to his graduation in May. I would have liked to get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, but that's not available locally. Of course I will continue to stay away from others and wear a mask if I go inside.
One funny thing is that I dropped under the qualifying BMI this winter.12 -
girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Many places have lessened or dropped the mitigation strategies. Even if they haven’t in your area, hearing those messages in the news will have an effect on people’s behavior, even if it’s not conscious.
Not to mention the people partying like COVID never happened on spring break. 😞
I’m not comfortable going back to the gym, yoga studio, or dining out. California has its own variant. And the other three are present in the state (U.K., Brazil, South Africa). I’ve waited this long, I can wait a little longer. As careful as I am at work (I still report on site), there are times I am close to people because of the work. For me, there’s a responsibility to minimize the risk I pose to others.16 -
girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Many places have lessened or dropped the mitigation strategies. Even if they haven’t in your area, hearing those messages in the news will have an effect on people’s behavior, even if it’s not conscious.
Not to mention the people partying like COVID never happened on spring break. 😞
I’m not comfortable going back to the gym, yoga studio, or dining out. California has its own variant. And the other three are present in the state (U.K., Brazil, South Africa). I’ve waited this long, I can wait a little longer. As careful as I am at work (I still report on site), there are times I am close to people because of the work. For me, there’s a responsibility to minimize the risk I pose to others.
I was just looking at pictures of the fights in Miami Beach, the throngs of people visiting for spring break. We can certainly expect a surge within a couple of weeks.
People are either getting sick of it all(who isn't really?) or complacent. They figure they haven't gotten it yet so it's all hype and/or with everybody getting vaccinated, it's all good now. 7 -
trying to recall from the programme. It was the AstraZeneca, it uses more or a different part of the virus than the later generation technology Pfizer vaccine. Work is going on into why the clot happen, it is also seen in some but not all who have the virus. Naturally research is going on into why, what it is about the virus which causes this to happen in the hospitalised persons. Information gained from these persons will be if it is not already be turned towards those who are having headaches as well as other symptoms in the AstraZeneca vaccinated population. Science is not resting on its laurels nor has it been which is why we have the opportunity of vaccinations after all.
From what I remember the AZ vaccine was well tested in communities with high rates of infections as part of the research into its reliability and for all those thousands tested, I don't think they found this reaction because its so rare.
I well understand the, there are risks with all vaccines, I'm glad they no longer use mercury as the preservative as they did in the 1950's when I had my childhood vaccines. The preservatives can cause issues, few of us have reactions to paraben and related natural things put into foods and medications as preservatives but the idea of it being used was enough to put me off having the flu vaccine. (Liquid Levothyroxine, the brand I was prescribed uses Paraben, it made me ill and look for alternatives) Those who have known allergies have been advised to avoid the vaccine after two persons in the first week possibly day of the schedule became ill, both recovered.
I did not have the flu vaccine last autumn, unless the preservative methods change, I'll not have it this year either. I've not taken advantage of the vaccine to cover shingles because I could not identify the preservative used in it. When I asked about the preservative in this years flue vaccine our practice used I was given the information sheet so I could see for myself. I have had the first Pfizer, my second is due mid April because its become the UK system to wait up to 12 weeks. I given my age and responsibilities to my family decided to bite the bullet and have what ever was on offer. My understanding is the method of preserving this one is freezing and they are thawed on the day of use so for me there are no preservative issues. I've just looked up, the AZ also has no preservative in it either, it too is preserved low temperature but not as low as the Pfizer, so it would have been ok for me too. AZ because of its ability to be stored in regular freezers and fridges makes it more appropriate to countries where the deeper freezing are less widely available.
My daughter had hers on Friday evening. It was the AstraZeneca, I advised her to monitor her symptoms and heaven forbid she were to have headaches to contact UK's 111 for assistance. Fortunately all has been well this far. Mind you, having been asked before having the vaccination, had I had any other vaccination with in a week, IF I had felt really unwell in any way shape or form I would have contacted 111 or my doctors practice I'd not have needed to be advised to.3 -
Those who have known allergies have been advised to avoid the vaccine after two persons in the first week possibly day of the schedule became ill, both recovered./quote]
Could I ask where this advice has been given please?
Is Not the case here in Australia - people who have had anaphylactic reactions to anything have been advised to wait additional 15 minutes after vaccination - but not to avoid the vaccine
And that is only for anaphylactic reactions not just known allergies ( most peoples allergic reaction to whatever allergen won't be as extreme as anaphylaxis, of course)4 -
Paper pudding, if your quote relates to my post above, I'm in the UK and it was a BBC Radio 4 programme "Inside Health", in the last week. I was addressing the comment by oocdc2, the post they responded to is at the top of this page.
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girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Many places have lessened or dropped the mitigation strategies. Even if they haven’t in your area, hearing those messages in the news will have an effect on people’s behavior, even if it’s not conscious.
Not to mention the people partying like COVID never happened on spring break. 😞
I’m not comfortable going back to the gym, yoga studio, or dining out. California has its own variant. And the other three are present in the state (U.K., Brazil, South Africa). I’ve waited this long, I can wait a little longer. As careful as I am at work (I still report on site), there are times I am close to people because of the work. For me, there’s a responsibility to minimize the risk I pose to others.
I was just looking at pictures of the fights in Miami Beach, the throngs of people visiting for spring break. We can certainly expect a surge within a couple of weeks.
People are either getting sick of it all(who isn't really?) or complacent. They figure they haven't gotten it yet so it's all hype and/or with everybody getting vaccinated, it's all good now.
Miami had to declare a state of emergency and implement a curfew due to the Spring Break crowd.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/20/us/miami-beach-crowds-clevelander-covid/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56476904
edit: Added a photo/additional link showing just how crowded some of those areas are.
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I can spot 3 masks in that crowd; one is a chin mask and one is a mouth mask.10
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Paper pudding, if your quote relates to my post above, I'm in the UK and it was a BBC Radio 4 programme "Inside Health", in the last week. I was addressing the comment by oocdc2, the post they responded to is at the top of this page.
Hope you are keeping well.
sorry, I mucked up the quoting thing a bit in my last post.
Yes was just in response to sentence I quoted and curious as to where that is the official advice (it is the official advice, not just someone's opinion on a radios show?) since it is quite different to the official advice here.
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girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
It does seem like people have forgotten about social distancing. My husband and I were running yesterday and stepped off the narrow sidewalk into the bike line to give space to first a man with his small son riding bikes down the sidewalk, and then a man walking his dog. The man with the son commented that he thought there was room to pass, and the man with the dog said his dog was friendly! Thanks dude, I’m not afraid of your dog, I’m afraid of YOU and your maskless breathing!
I have had my first Pfizer shot but won’t be fully vaccinated for more than a month yet. I don’t want to get it at this late date! Plus the more contagious variant is becoming dominant here. No one seems really willing to tell us what “more contagious” is caused by, but it seems to me that it implies that some things which wouldn’t give you the virus before probably will give you the variant, so now is the time to be more cautious, not less.11 -
So, Memphis and Shelby county continue their woeful attempts at vaccination. If you have been following the news, Shelby County bungled the vaccine rollout so badly that there were federal investigations into theft of whole pallets of vaccine, children vaccinated with a vaccine not approved for children, and 52k doses wasted. So the county had administration taken from them and given to the city. Next, the city set up a website for appointments that didn’t work, so now they are using the state website.
At the moment where we are is that 80% of appointments in West Tennessee are going unused because people are so fearful about the vaccine.
So, I was fortunate enough to get my first dose of Pfizer earlier this week. I’m very glad it was Pfizer, because there’s an article in the paper now about what to do if you got the first dose of Moderna, because the county gave out mainly Moderna at first and now has stopped giving it, so there are no second shots available. They suggest paying out of pocket to get it from Walmart, and Walmart warned that they don’t really have any either. So you are SOL if you got the Moderna and live here. I can’t imagine what sort of high-level irresponsible foolishness led to this situation.11 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, Memphis and Shelby county continue their woeful attempts at vaccination. If you have been following the news, Shelby County bungled the vaccine rollout so badly that there were federal investigations into theft of whole pallets of vaccine, children vaccinated with a vaccine not approved for children, and 52k doses wasted. So the county had administration taken from them and given to the city. Next, the city set up a website for appointments that didn’t work, so now they are using the state website.
At the moment where we are is that 80% of appointments in West Tennessee are going unused because people are so fearful about the vaccine.
So, I was fortunate enough to get my first dose of Pfizer earlier this week. I’m very glad it was Pfizer, because there’s an article in the paper now about what to do if you got the first dose of Moderna, because the county gave out mainly Moderna at first and now has stopped giving it, so there are no second shots available. They suggest paying out of pocket to get it from Walmart, and Walmart warned that they don’t really have any either. So you are SOL if you got the Moderna and live here. I can’t imagine what sort of high-level irresponsible foolishness led to this situation.
My first vaccine dose in Dyer County, TN was Moderna as well. They were trying to schedule 2nd doses for us and I assumed they had Moderna doses in the pipeline for that.
But, I've moved to TX now and have a 2nd Moderna vaccine scheduled in April at a CVS here.8 -
rheddmobile wrote: »So, Memphis and Shelby county continue their woeful attempts at vaccination. If you have been following the news, Shelby County bungled the vaccine rollout so badly that there were federal investigations into theft of whole pallets of vaccine, children vaccinated with a vaccine not approved for children, and 52k doses wasted. So the county had administration taken from them and given to the city. Next, the city set up a website for appointments that didn’t work, so now they are using the state website.
At the moment where we are is that 80% of appointments in West Tennessee are going unused because people are so fearful about the vaccine.
So, I was fortunate enough to get my first dose of Pfizer earlier this week. I’m very glad it was Pfizer, because there’s an article in the paper now about what to do if you got the first dose of Moderna, because the county gave out mainly Moderna at first and now has stopped giving it, so there are no second shots available. They suggest paying out of pocket to get it from Walmart, and Walmart warned that they don’t really have any either. So you are SOL if you got the Moderna and live here. I can’t imagine what sort of high-level irresponsible foolishness led to this situation.
I have this same fear - we got our first Pfizer with a second shot scheduled 6 weeks later but now our govt has pushed second shots to 4 months to get everyone the first shot. Which is fine I agree with that - but in the back of my mind and with all the *kitten* ups we have had I wonder if the second dose will even be available when the time comes.
Oh well - one shot is better than none I guess.10 -
rheddmobile wrote: »girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
I have had my first Pfizer shot but won’t be fully vaccinated for more than a month yet. I don’t want to get it at this late date! Plus the more contagious variant is becoming dominant here. No one seems really willing to tell us what “more contagious” is caused by, but it seems to me that it implies that some things which wouldn’t give you the virus before probably will give you the variant, so now is the time to be more cautious, not less.
My first guess is that it could also be that the variant viruses replicate faster and/or take longer for the antibodies to kill, so they can infect a person and start shedding before they are neutralized. Mind you, I'm no virologist but I have listened to some podcasts while staying at a Holiday Inn Express
So don't quote me on that or anything.
But yeah I'm double masking in stores and coating myself in hand sanitizer jic.7 -
Science Friday (NPR) had a segment where an infectious disease specialist and science communicator was answering curated listener questions about Covid. The transcript isn't up online yet, but will be soon. The full segment audio (24 minutes) is available.
I'm posting the link for two reasons:
* It goes into issues that have been worries or questions in the last few pages of this thread, like what happens if your 2nd shot is delayed. (Key point, IMU: There's generally more protection than we regular people may realize from just shot 1, and delay may not have a major long-term impact on an individual's final results . . . but that scenario's not what the trials tested, so it's not certain, so don't expect a public final confirmation of that anytime soon.)
* The selected questions are IMO pretty subtle in some cases, it's not just the same old simple stuff I'd heard over and over.
Here's a link to the audio, or to a podcast site for it, and it's also where a transcript will appear later.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/laurel-bristow-covid-instagram/
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The_Enginerd wrote: »
That doesn't look the least bit fun, TBH, just milling about in a crowd of randoms. Is anybody even smiling? They all look bored. YOLO...
Will it all be worth it when you carry the virus back to your parents and grandparents?11 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »
That doesn't look the least bit fun, TBH, just milling about in a crowd of randoms. Is anybody even smiling? They all look bored. YOLO...
Will it all be worth it when you carry the virus back to your parents and grandparents?
I’m getting anxiety just looking at the picture. I have to visit my grandpa this weekend, and he lives in a building directly connected to large shopping mall (designed for seniors so they can get in and out to run their errands without going outdoors where the Finnish weather will try to kill them). This means that to run his errands, I have to go to the mall and it’s been crowded every weekend I’ve had to go there in the past year. I decided to spend my vacation day on Friday to go and take care of his stuff during the day, so there will be less people in the mall than in the weekend.
I have to also go clothes shopping for myself, and I’m NOT looking forward to spending extra time in the mall just to browse and try stuff on. Otherwise I would shop online, but I need maternity clothes and I’m expecting my first, so I have no idea how maternity clothing ”works” and need to try some stuff on first.
My grandpa has nurses coming in twice a day, and originally it was announced that the nurses would vaccinate appropriate age groups (=my grandpa) during their visits. Good thing my mom started asking around, because it turns out the nurse service had ”unclear communications” in the letter they sent. Turns out they only vaccinate those who physically cannot move, so wheelchair patients, and people like my grandpa who can technically walk but are mentally not fit enough to actually go to the vaccination center in the mall are still expected to go get th vaccine independently. Needless to say, my mom was pissed when she found out the nurse service had straight-up lied in that letter and now she has to figure out a way to schedule grandpa’s vaccination and get him there during office hours, while she works full time. We’re honestly considering not vaccinating him as his quality of life is already dwindled so much and grandpa himself is pretty much just waiting for death at this point. It might be a disservice to him to drag him down to the vaccination center (twice), jab him with a needle he doesn’t understand, possibly suffer from side effects, and then extend his misery of living on earth when he’s already given up.20 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »
That doesn't look the least bit fun, TBH, just milling about in a crowd of randoms. Is anybody even smiling? They all look bored. YOLO...
Will it all be worth it when you carry the virus back to your parents and grandparents?
I’m getting anxiety just looking at the picture. I have to visit my grandpa this weekend, and he lives in a building directly connected to large shopping mall (designed for seniors so they can get in and out to run their errands without going outdoors where the Finnish weather will try to kill them). This means that to run his errands, I have to go to the mall and it’s been crowded every weekend I’ve had to go there in the past year. I decided to spend my vacation day on Friday to go and take care of his stuff during the day, so there will be less people in the mall than in the weekend.
I have to also go clothes shopping for myself, and I’m NOT looking forward to spending extra time in the mall just to browse and try stuff on. Otherwise I would shop online, but I need maternity clothes and I’m expecting my first, so I have no idea how maternity clothing ”works” and need to try some stuff on first.
My grandpa has nurses coming in twice a day, and originally it was announced that the nurses would vaccinate appropriate age groups (=my grandpa) during their visits. Good thing my mom started asking around, because it turns out the nurse service had ”unclear communications” in the letter they sent. Turns out they only vaccinate those who physically cannot move, so wheelchair patients, and people like my grandpa who can technically walk but are mentally not fit enough to actually go to the vaccination center in the mall are still expected to go get th vaccine independently. Needless to say, my mom was pissed when she found out the nurse service had straight-up lied in that letter and now she has to figure out a way to schedule grandpa’s vaccination and get him there during office hours, while she works full time. We’re honestly considering not vaccinating him as his quality of life is already dwindled so much and grandpa himself is pretty much just waiting for death at this point. It might be a disservice to him to drag him down to the vaccination center (twice), jab him with a needle he doesn’t understand, possibly suffer from side effects, and then extend his misery of living on earth when he’s already given up.
Honestly Covid is a terrible way to go. I understand where you’re coming from as my own father lingered long after he ceased to enjoy his life, but the vaccine is better than slowly drowning in your own fluids.
You are lucky in one way, here it’s not possible to try on clothes right now even if you want to! I’m not sure if it’s legal now (it wasn’t during last summer) but no stores allow it.6 -
Beg pardon, PP its a science programme, we are fortunate to have good quality science programming over here in the UK. The chair is a scientist, there was another scientist and a doctor answering the questions, so its not opinion. (I listen to the speech rather than music transmissions.)3
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You are lucky in one way, here it’s not possible to try on clothes right now even if you want to! I’m not sure if it’s legal now (it wasn’t during last summer) but no stores allow it.[/quote]
That's what I have observed, too, at Target, Walmart (Arizona).
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girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Part of this is that recommendations have been relaxed in many areas of the country...the other part is that, as you state...it's been over a year...people are fatigued AF with this. Ultimately, human nature wins out...people are social animals and it's been a long time. When push comes to shove, people are going to people...3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Part of this is that recommendations have been relaxed in many areas of the country...the other part is that, as you state...it's been over a year...people are fatigued AF with this. Ultimately, human nature wins out...people are social animals and it's been a long time. When push comes to shove, people are going to people...
That may be as it may. But, this isn’t over. With what is going on in Miami right now, there will be a spike. If people would just hold on for a bit longer, it will be over sooner. And in the scheme of things, a year isn’t that long. People are resilient. Many of us have done it this long, we can keep doing it. Especially if it saves lives.8 -
Cross posting here - We'd love to hear how your habits have changed during the pandemic and what comes next for you.
https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10828069/share-your-experience-pandemic-habits-what-comes-next/p1?new=10 -
missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Part of this is that recommendations have been relaxed in many areas of the country...the other part is that, as you state...it's been over a year...people are fatigued AF with this. Ultimately, human nature wins out...people are social animals and it's been a long time. When push comes to shove, people are going to people...
That may be as it may. But, this isn’t over. With what is going on in Miami right now, there will be a spike. If people would just hold on for a bit longer, it will be over sooner. And in the scheme of things, a year isn’t that long. People are resilient. Many of us have done it this long, we can keep doing it. Especially if it saves lives.
I agree...particularly for myself and my family...but for $320M people in the US...good luck with that. Especially places like Florida or Texas who have lifted restrictions almost completely...I mean, how exactly would one expect people to act when there are literally no or very few actual restrictions in place? I don't think it's remotely realistic to think masses of people are just going to "do the right thing" when those charged with governance throw the doors open.
I'm aware that it isn't over...I'm also a pragmatic person and a realist, and a year of isolation is long, especially for kids and youth. My kids have fared reasonably well throughout this whole thing...but there are also very obvious signs of being near a breaking point if they don't start having more social interactions and whatnot very soon (thankfully school will be back in full swing April 5). For myself being 46, a year isn't a particularly long time...for a 10 year old it is basically an eternity...even when I was in my 20s, a year felt like a very long time.
Point is really, nobody should be terribly shocked that people are in deed moving on...they're fatigued, and again, many of these places have all but completely removed any kind of restrictions. Texas will be having full attendance at baseball games starting in April for example...so if someone tells you that you can...a whole *kitten* ton of people will. That's just being realistic.8 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Part of this is that recommendations have been relaxed in many areas of the country...the other part is that, as you state...it's been over a year...people are fatigued AF with this. Ultimately, human nature wins out...people are social animals and it's been a long time. When push comes to shove, people are going to people...
That may be as it may. But, this isn’t over. With what is going on in Miami right now, there will be a spike. If people would just hold on for a bit longer, it will be over sooner. And in the scheme of things, a year isn’t that long. People are resilient. Many of us have done it this long, we can keep doing it. Especially if it saves lives.
I agree...particularly for myself and my family...but for $320M people in the US...good luck with that. Especially places like Florida or Texas who have lifted restrictions almost completely...I mean, how exactly would one expect people to act when there are literally no or very few actual restrictions in place? I don't think it's remotely realistic to think masses of people are just going to "do the right thing" when those charged with governance throw the doors open.
I'm aware that it isn't over...I'm also a pragmatic person and a realist, and a year of isolation is long, especially for kids and youth. My kids have fared reasonably well throughout this whole thing...but there are also very obvious signs of being near a breaking point if they don't start having more social interactions and whatnot very soon (thankfully school will be back in full swing April 5). For myself being 46, a year isn't a particularly long time...for a 10 year old it is basically an eternity...even when I was in my 20s, a year felt like a very long time.
Point is really, nobody should be terribly shocked that people are in deed moving on...they're fatigued, and again, many of these places have all but completely removed any kind of restrictions. Texas will be having full attendance at baseball games starting in April for example...so if someone tells you that you can...a whole *kitten* ton of people will. That's just being realistic.
Totally not disagreeing with you at all, but I think it's kind of sad that it is unrealistic to expect people to pull together and do the right thing if they aren't being forced to.
A little bit of naivety I guess I was still holding on to.
There are ways we could moderate the sacrifice, focusing everything on getting kids back in the classroom, but it looks like it's too late for that. Now it's a race between variants and vaccinations.10 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Part of this is that recommendations have been relaxed in many areas of the country...the other part is that, as you state...it's been over a year...people are fatigued AF with this. Ultimately, human nature wins out...people are social animals and it's been a long time. When push comes to shove, people are going to people...
That may be as it may. But, this isn’t over. With what is going on in Miami right now, there will be a spike. If people would just hold on for a bit longer, it will be over sooner. And in the scheme of things, a year isn’t that long. People are resilient. Many of us have done it this long, we can keep doing it. Especially if it saves lives.
I agree...particularly for myself and my family...but for $320M people in the US...good luck with that. Especially places like Florida or Texas who have lifted restrictions almost completely...I mean, how exactly would one expect people to act when there are literally no or very few actual restrictions in place? I don't think it's remotely realistic to think masses of people are just going to "do the right thing" when those charged with governance throw the doors open.
I'm aware that it isn't over...I'm also a pragmatic person and a realist, and a year of isolation is long, especially for kids and youth. My kids have fared reasonably well throughout this whole thing...but there are also very obvious signs of being near a breaking point if they don't start having more social interactions and whatnot very soon (thankfully school will be back in full swing April 5). For myself being 46, a year isn't a particularly long time...for a 10 year old it is basically an eternity...even when I was in my 20s, a year felt like a very long time.
Point is really, nobody should be terribly shocked that people are in deed moving on...they're fatigued, and again, many of these places have all but completely removed any kind of restrictions. Texas will be having full attendance at baseball games starting in April for example...so if someone tells you that you can...a whole *kitten* ton of people will. That's just being realistic.
Totally not disagreeing with you at all, but I think it's kind of sad that it is unrealistic to expect people to pull together and do the right thing if they aren't being forced to.
A little bit of naivety I guess I was still holding on to.
It is sad...but I also get it, particularly with youth. For myself and my wife and our friends and family, the restrictions and whatnot have been more or less an inconvenience...and certain things like suddenly being WFH and kids being online for school were big hiccups...but we're all family people and were homebodies for the most part anyway even before the pandemic. We miss having our kids in school and we miss the kids' extracurricular activities and sports and we miss unfettered travel...but for the most part, we are doing and have been doing what we usually do...which is spend a lot of time at home anyway.
I couldn't imagine being in my early to mid 20s right now when my entire life revolved around social interactions...dating, parties, bars and clubs, etc. I'm honestly not sure what my reaction would have been if I was 22 years old or something and I was told I just needed to stay home for a year + and not see or gather with my friends.6 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »girlwithcurls2 wrote: »I've noticed that people are getting looser with their social distancing in places like the grocery store line. I don't know if it's because they're vaccinated and don't feel as at risk as before, or if they're just ding dongs and aren't in the habit or self-aware enough (even though it's literally been a YEAR). It gives my unvaccinated adult kids pretty high anxiety. The last time we asked someone to move back, we got an entire sarcastic-louder-than-under-the-breath public shaming. Rather than engage in a dialogue with the ridiculousness of a stranger, we paid as quickly as we could and left. I'm vaccinated, but I'm still not comfortable eating indoors. And "outdoor" dining is a joke--huge plastic tarp tents with walls, open on ONE side. How is this not just like indoors, only colder? Because it's technically outside, all of the tables are full, rather than spaced the way the ones inside are.
Part of this is that recommendations have been relaxed in many areas of the country...the other part is that, as you state...it's been over a year...people are fatigued AF with this. Ultimately, human nature wins out...people are social animals and it's been a long time. When push comes to shove, people are going to people...
That may be as it may. But, this isn’t over. With what is going on in Miami right now, there will be a spike. If people would just hold on for a bit longer, it will be over sooner. And in the scheme of things, a year isn’t that long. People are resilient. Many of us have done it this long, we can keep doing it. Especially if it saves lives.
I agree...particularly for myself and my family...but for $320M people in the US...good luck with that. Especially places like Florida or Texas who have lifted restrictions almost completely...I mean, how exactly would one expect people to act when there are literally no or very few actual restrictions in place? I don't think it's remotely realistic to think masses of people are just going to "do the right thing" when those charged with governance throw the doors open.
I'm aware that it isn't over...I'm also a pragmatic person and a realist, and a year of isolation is long, especially for kids and youth. My kids have fared reasonably well throughout this whole thing...but there are also very obvious signs of being near a breaking point if they don't start having more social interactions and whatnot very soon (thankfully school will be back in full swing April 5). For myself being 46, a year isn't a particularly long time...for a 10 year old it is basically an eternity...even when I was in my 20s, a year felt like a very long time.
Point is really, nobody should be terribly shocked that people are in deed moving on...they're fatigued, and again, many of these places have all but completely removed any kind of restrictions. Texas will be having full attendance at baseball games starting in April for example...so if someone tells you that you can...a whole *kitten* ton of people will. That's just being realistic.
Totally not disagreeing with you at all, but I think it's kind of sad that it is unrealistic to expect people to pull together and do the right thing if they aren't being forced to.
A little bit of naivety I guess I was still holding on to.
There are ways we could moderate the sacrifice, focusing everything on getting kids back in the classroom, but it looks like it's too late for that. Now it's a race between variants and vaccinations.
I share this sentiment. What does it say about a place that prioritizes bars over schools?6
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